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MY 1st cycle experience (deca/test E)

cgar1228

cgar1228

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What I experienced from Deca/Test E (1st Cycle):

Going into my 1st cycle I had a pretty decent idea of what to expect b/c I did so much reading but there were a few things I didn't anticipate. This is for anyone that is interested in this same cycle or for the NOOB who is wondering what to expect when he does his first cycle. Everyone will experience something different, but this is what I experienced::::>
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On Cycle:

Deca 400/wk (split into 2 injs) used weeks 1-10
Test Enanthate 500/wk (split into 2 injs) used weeks 1-12

For AI - Aromasin 10mg eod used weeks 1-12
Dostinex 0.25mg 2X per wk used weeks 8-12

Natural Test. Booster - HCGenerate from Needtobuildmuscle.com
Used weeks 5.5-10, 4 to 5 pills/day

Primordial Performance's Toco-8 weeks 2-16 (I started this before the normal protocol b/c I was worried about hairloss and LDL Cholesterol based on NeedTo's recommendation)

Off Cycle (PCT): Primordial Performance's "TRS Stack" - followed the protocol from the website but started Toco-8 early:
1)Sustain Alpha: Topical Spray
2)Toco-8
3)EndoAmp Max
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Other supplements used on daily basis:
-Opti-man Multi Vitamins
-Creatine Monohydrate
-B-Complex (double dose)
-Omega 3,6
-PreWorkout NO Shotgun <3 luv
-Amino Acids Complex
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Stats:
5'11"
191 (starting weight)
11.5% BF
30 yo
15.5" bis (starting)
appox max bench press: 275lbs
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Week 1:
No strength/weight gain and no joint relief (main reason I choose Deca)

Comments: 1st pinning went well (other than standing there for 15 minutes wondering why I couldn't make myself stick the needle in when I'm not in the least bit scared of shots....??) in the right glute. 2nd pinning in the opposite glute, site turned red/slightly swollen 1.5 days after injection (5" diameter area) and hurt like a b* for the next few days. I was really worried about this but did some research on it and found that some other members had experienced similar things. I didn't take any action on this b/c the area had not gotten hot to the touch nor had it become puss filled/come to a head; which are both symptoms of infection. This went away after a few days but nothing anyone had suggested (eg. very hot bath, massage area thoroughly) helped...

Week 2:
No major strength gain, steady/slow weight gain throughout the week, EXTREMELY hungry all the time!!, mild joint relief (shoulder got inflamed a lot less after wkouts), gym pumps are definitely better on juice

Comments: Decided to pin in the right glute again (starting injection site. wasn't sore from 1st injection). Injection site turned slightly red but not as bad as the last injection in the left glute. 2nd pinning for the week went in the left glute that was finally feeling 100% from the first time I injected into it. Injection site turned red/slightly swollen AGAIN!! I was beginning to think that my body was adapting to the foreign substance I was exposing it to..apparently not!

Week 3:
Noticeable strength gains, steady/slow weight gain, EXTREMELY hungry!!, EXTREMELY horny!! (morning wood was now CONSTANT wood!), pumps at the gym are off the chain, joints feel great, oily skin (more than usual)

Comments: 1st injection in right glute went well; swelling/redness in opposite glute from last injection has gone away. 2nd injection I decided to stay away from the left glute that was VERY sensitive to the juice, so I instead pinned in my right quad. I like this better since I could better see what I was doing and move the pin around a lot less during aspiration. Besides being a little sore, no problems with this injection.

Week 4:
SAME as week 3 except this week I found out that I nip out like a damn brawd when cold! F*ckin hurts too

Comments: 1st injection this week went in the opposite quad (left) from last week. Things were okay until about 24 hours after the injection and my leg started swelling up like a balloon! By the third day I could hardly see my knee. At this point I started noticing a pattern that the left side of my body has a reaction to the juice!?! The swelling did go down a few days later but I decided this was the last time I will inject into the left side of my body. From now on it goes right glute/right quad/right glute/right quad etc..

Week 5:
SAME as week 4

Comments: started seeing the effects of extra testosterone in the form of backne (mild); probably b/c my skin has been so oily since I started. Found an excellent remedy to this is taking one extra shower in a day and making sure to soap down my back well to get rid of the oils on the skin. Injections are finally going well; no problems.

Week 6:
SAME as week 5

Comments: I ran out of all my larger gauge pins so I had to start using my remaining supply that consisted of 25g pins. Liquid draws into the syringe soooo slow with the 25g even after heating the Test E and Deca in warm water increasing the viscosity. After using 21g,22g,23g, and 25g pins I have decided that 23g is probably my favorite for this cycle. 23g 1 1/2" for the glute, and 23g 1" for the quad!!

Week 7:
SAME as week 6

Comments: My weight has increased dramatically to this point but a lot of it seems to be in the form of water weight (bloat). I had no idea how hard running would be after gaining an extra approx 17 lbs (to date) would be! Went out for a short run and made it less than half a mile before the PUMP in my legs was more than I could handle and had to walk for a while. Tried to continue even though my legs already felt SHOT and made it about 1/4 miles before I had to stop again! After this I decided I needed to cut almost ALL salt out of my diet and try to eat as clean as possible to loss this unwanted water weight.

Note: Maxed out this week on bench at 315lbs (first time lifting over 300 ever). That's 40lbs more than I started at before cycle.

Week 8:
Haven't gained any weight this week (feel like I may have lost some water weight though..), Still hungry but don't feel starving ALL the time anymore, less horny than previous week (see comments), feel less aggressive than previous weeks (see comments)

Comments: Got kinda of worried about my libido and started doing some research and found that Dostinex (which I have on hand) is good to take to get that chiseled look in your UNIT....if you catch my drift! So I started taking .25mg 2X week until I end week 12 so I can prevent any "incidents" aka D-dick. About the aggression; this cycle really hasn't made me a more aggressive person although I have noticed some moments were I have felt abnormally aggressive but nothing I can't use my better judgment to control. Week 8 (this week) I feel relatively calm; I don't have that "I gotta get in the gym NOW or somebody's gonna die" attitude... I kind of miss it actually.

Week 9:
Currently still in mid-week 8..... To be continued

Any suggestions for PCT on anything other than what I am going to do are welcome, or feel free to comment on ANYTHING! Peace!
 
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Sounds like it's going well for u.. Why did u get worried about ur libido did u experience any problems?? and has the Dostinex taken care of that??
 
Deltoid_87 said:
Sounds like it's going well for u.. Why did u get worried about ur libido did u experience any problems?? and has the Dostinex taken care of that??
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I'm not sure if it was stress/lack of sleep but I experienced a couple days without morning wood and getting the boy to look up at me took a little more instigating than usual.... I took the Dostinex that night and have been horny ever since. So I'm not for sure if it was the Dost but just wanted to put the fire out before it started... :D
 
Great post cegar. K to you bro!!
 
If all you have for PCT is the TRS then you are going to crash hard and lose most everything you've gained. Get some HCG asap and some nolva and/or clomid.
 
hooverdeuce said:
If all you have for PCT is the TRS then you are going to crash hard and lose most everything you've gained. Get some HCG asap and some nolva and/or clomid.
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Thanks for the advice. I am using HCGenerate On-cycle and trying to keep the boys working. I have some HCG on hand but if HCGenerate = HCG, then the guys that are doing On-cycle HCG are not using it after their cycle. Please let me know if my logic is incorrect and I will make adjustments b/c I do NOT want to lose my gains! :D
 
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GREAT THREAD MATE, I'm doin the same cycle jus slightly less juice bout 100mg less deca thats all, only in my second week, and i'm at my strongest already (1st cyle) i have read up on anti gyno an pct, but at min hav nothing to hand, every1 gives different advise, i no i shud have got all that sorted before startin, i need to no wot i need (really need) i was jus gonna run the test 2 weeks longer an get some clomid, is this ok for pct alone? and wot do u recommend during cycle?
 
you need to use real hcg before you start pct
you need to add nolva into your pct plan
 
Very good post sounds like your doing well. as for your issues with the injections....I found the the shoulder is the best spot and always use a 23g 1' needle. Every time i shoot in the glute or quad i seem not to hit the right spot or somthing. there is alot of confusion on where in the glute you shoot, some spots will tear your ass up.

Good luck!!! Remember Eat, Eat ,Eat then when your done Eat some more
 
tomo85 said:
GREAT THREAD MATE, I'm doin the same cycle jus slightly less juice bout 100mg less deca thats all, only in my second week, and i'm at my strongest already (1st cyle) i have read up on anti gyno an pct, but at min hav nothing to hand, every1 gives different advise, i no i shud have got all that sorted before startin, i need to no wot i need (really need) i was jus gonna run the test 2 weeks longer an get some clomid, is this ok for pct alone? and wot do u recommend during cycle?
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Thx bro. 300mg of Deca/wk is good. You need to get some Aromasin for bloat (keep water weight off) and gyno, and run it .12mg (approx) every other day. You also need to get some hcg ASAP and run it wk 3 or 4 through the end of your cycle. Please do some reading on the forum about "on cycle" hcg. I've read about doing Toremifine instead of Clomid but I'm def no expert. Go to Primordial Performances PCT thread! There is a LOT of great info there on PCT. cheers
 
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HAYEZ said:
you need to use real hcg before you start pct
you need to add nolva into your pct plan
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I'm almost on wk 9 so it's prob too late for real hcg. If it's a must then I will have to do it post cycle...? I've heard that Nolva is a no no with Deca but it could just be speculation....
 
Good post and progress. I thought I was the only one who had reactions to juice on one side of my body. Everytime I inject on the right side I have swelling and pain, strange. I agree with hayez on the pct, You dont want to crash hard. You will most likely lose a few pounds of water no matter what.
 
cgar1228 said:
Thx bro. 300mg of Deca/wk is good. You need to get some Aromasin for bloat (keep water weight off) and gyno, and run it .12mg (approx) per wk. You also need to get some hcg ASAP and run it wk 3 or 4 through the end of your cycle. Please do some reading on the forum about "on cycle" hcg. I've read about doing Toremifine instead of Clomid but I'm def no expert. Go to Primordial Performances PCT thread! There is a LOT of great info there on PCT. cheers
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Does Aromasin work in the same way as Adex does?
I'm running some Deca also and dont want any bloat.
 
cgar1228 said:
I'm almost on wk 9 so it's prob too late for real hcg. If it's a must then I will have to do it post cycle...? I've heard that Nolva is a no no with Deca but it could just be speculation....
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Nolva is fine as long as your prolactin is under control.
 
2 weeks after deca is out of system and you start pct its fine...id hit hcg 500iu ed for 10 days or 1000iu ed for 5 days before pct...hcg is very important
 
niightz said:
Good post and progress. I thought I was the only one who had reactions to juice on one side of my body. Everytime I inject on the right side I have swelling and pain, strange. I agree with hayez on the pct, You dont want to crash hard. You will most likely lose a few pounds of water no matter what.
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That's good to know and it puts me at rest knowing someone else has the same issue. I didn't think I would get any feedback on that part of the post so cheers bro. I've already lost some water weight and can finally see defined abs again. I have remained the same weight for about a week and a half now but must have replaced the bloat with muscle. ;)

Ok so basically HCGenerate NOT= "real" HCG. I was wondering why I was noticing some atrophy in that department. It's been a little better on the Generate but I will do the real stuff after the Deca is out of my system. Thx Hayez.
 
Noodles said:
Does Aromasin work in the same way as Adex does?
I'm running some Deca also and dont want any bloat.
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If you don't want a lot of bloat then stay very low on your sodium intake and take either Aromasin or Adex.... from what I read they are about the same. The only thing I have ever used (this being my 1st cyc) is Aromasin and that seems to shed some water weight from me.
 
cgar1228 said:
Thx bro. 300mg of Deca/wk is good. You need to get some Aromasin for bloat (keep water weight off) and gyno, and run it .12mg (approx) per wk. You also need to get some hcg ASAP and run it wk 3 or 4 through the end of your cycle. Please do some reading on the forum about "on cycle" hcg. I've read about doing Toremifine instead of Clomid but I'm def no expert. Go to Primordial Performances PCT thread! There is a LOT of great info there on PCT. cheers
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Ive already ordered some nolvadex its coming tommorrow, can i use this post cycle instead of clomid? heard some ppl run it rite fru while on an off can that work? kud i use nolva for pct and aromasin for an ai on cycle? or do i still need hcg? be a great help, read loads of forums all givin different advice, so nolvadex is like clomid helps with test level, an armidex an aromasin are AIs, so wts hcg? an AI?
 
tomo85 said:
Ive already ordered some nolvadex its coming tommorrow, can i use this post cycle instead of clomid? heard some ppl run it rite fru while on an off can that work? kud i use nolva for pct and aromasin for an ai on cycle? or do i still need hcg? be a great help, read loads of forums all givin different advice, so nolvadex is like clomid helps with test level, an armidex an aromasin are AIs, so wts hcg? an AI?
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you shouldn't have started your cycle w/o knowing the questions you are asking first. nolva will be fine to use in place of clomid. you still need hcg, listen to what some of the vets are saying above. hcg sends a signal to your nuts and keeps them alive while on a suppressive steroid such as Deca. PLEASE do some more reading before you get any further on your cycle, you are already behind the curve. GL
 
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cgar1228 said:
If you don't want a lot of bloat then stay very low on your sodium intake and take either Aromasin or Adex.... from what I read they are about the same. The only thing I have ever used (this being my 1st cyc) is Aromasin and that seems to shed some water weight from me.
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I didntuse any AI's on my last cycle so i became pretty bloated the last few weeks.
On my fourth week of my cycle and taking adex (total of 1.5 mgs per week) to keep the bloat off.
 
hayez is correct. your pct is weak. trs is a verry good addition but not enough alone.
 
joe d said:
hayez is correct. your pct is weak. trs is a verry good addition but not enough alone.
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thx joe. I was thinking of adding Unleashed to it. Would this do the trick or do you suggest something else? I have naturally high test. levels according to my blood test pre-cycle so I didn't think I needed much else. Please inform
 
stop the deca 2 weaks beore the test. then the day after you stop the test start hcg 500- 1000 eod for a total of 5 doses. the day after your last hcg dose start your pct trs, unleashed, and nolva 20mg ed for 30 days. i would also stay on the unleashed after that.
 
10-4 on the unleashed and hcg protocol you gave me, but I have heard time and time again that one shouldn't use Nolva after a cycle of Deca. Is Toremifine a good substitute for Nolva or not? I'm just basing this assumption on the protocol on the Primordial Performance website. Any comments on this needto?
 
i hear it all the time to and its not true. you should not use nolva while on deca or shortly after. this pct would start the nolva almost a month after your last deca shot. this makes the difference.
 
bodyfitconcepts said:
I'm starting Wk 2 of 2ml a Wk of test e and 1ml a Wk of deca should I bump deca and reduce test. This is my first cycle. 180 32 y/o. Any advise
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make a new thread. put the mg dosages in it also.
 
Thanks! I will update this as soon as start my PCT in about 3 wks and then again after I'm through. I will probably edit the original post (pg.1) so I can keep everything in the same spot.

Current Stats:
207 lbs
BF: about the same
17" bis
Bench: 330 lbs
Note: I don't seem to be too bloated so most of the water weight I was holding around wk 7 is gone.

Starting Stats:
5'11"
191 (starting weight)
11.5% BF
30 yo
15.5" bis (starting)
appox max bench press: 275lbs

Feel free to ask any more questions or critique my cycle. I have modified some things already based on some recommendations which I will add in red on my original post next time I update.
 
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Being his work out partner, I can attest that this cycle is working out great for him. He looks like a monster compared to when he started it.
 
Ozzie87 said:
nice work man, you seem to be doing great.

agree that your PCT needs work, the OTC products are great as secondary additions, but you really need the HCG to get things rolling, and a proper SERM like nolva to stimulate you LH production.
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Thanks bro. Based on some recommendations from other members I have already changed my PCT to almost exactly what you have suggested except I am adding Unleashed as well. Got the everything on order and if they ship from Rx within 3 wks then I'll be good to go.
 
hooverdeuce said:
If all you have for PCT is the TRS then you are going to crash hard and lose most everything you've gained. Get some HCG asap and some nolva and/or clomid.
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Not always true. Had he used hcg through out the cycle I think he would be fine. Now its iffy.

My bet is there is no way in hell you are going to get any hcg in time for the cycle or even pct for that matter now.

Run hcgenerate as soon as you get it and for a full 4 weeks. When the cycle ends run the TRS and some formastane 2 pumps am 2 pumps pm. needtobuildmuscle.com for the hcgenerate and orbitnutrition.com for the forma.

I say this because these are the products you will be able to get in time. Once you have other products in hand let me know. But i think this along with the trs and you will be fine bro.
 
hooverdeuce said:
If all you have for PCT is the TRS then you are going to crash hard and lose most everything you've gained. Get some HCG asap and some nolva and/or clomid.
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BTW YOU think clomid/nolva is going to help with shut down from high levels of progetserone/prolatin? O did not think about that one did ya?

Anyway forma wiil.
 
noodles said:
Does Aromasin work in the same way as Adex does?
I'm running some Deca also and dont want any bloat.
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bloat from a test deca cycle could be ether estrogen or progetaerone related. Have to attack both in order to be sure not to have problems. Nether will work.
 
HAYEZ said:
2 weeks after deca is out of system and you start pct its fine...id hit hcg 500iu ed for 10 days or 1000iu ed for 5 days before pct...hcg is very important
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Best to use on cycle but if you cant then after cycle. Then again no way is he getting any in time for pct anyway.
 
I got your pom bro sorry it too me so long. Anyway check over my post. if you got anymore questions just send me another pm. I was away from the site well it was having some virus problems but back in full force now.
 
needtogetaas said:
Best to use on cycle but if you cant then after cycle. Then again no way is he getting any in time for pct anyway.
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I still have another 1.5 wks before pct and I made my order on the 2nd of Feb so fingers crossed it will be here in time. I'm thinking about hitting up the HCG even if it's late b/c of the atrophy I've experienced to get the boys plump'd back up. The HCGenerate has seemed to help a little in that department after Joe gave me the recommendation to up the dosage.
 
cgar1228 said:
Thanks! I will update this as soon as start my PCT in about 3 wks and then again after I'm through. I will probably edit the original post (pg.1) so I can keep everything in the same spot.

Current Stats:
207 lbs
BF: about the same
17" bis
Bench: 330 lbs
Note: I don't seem to be too bloated so most of the water weight I was holding around wk 7 is gone.

Starting Stats:
5'11"
191 (starting weight)
11.5% BF
30 yo
15.5" bis (starting)
appox max bench press: 275lbs

Feel free to ask any more questions or critique my cycle. I have modified some things already based on some recommendations which I will add in red on my original post next time I update.
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Yes....How tall are you now (currently)
 
Finishing off where I left off from Page 1. Weeks 9-12 Continued..

Week 9:
Strength has increased slightly, Libido is great!, Joints still feel awesome from the Deca

Comments: One thing I have been doing is pressurizing the vial with the syringe for easy extraction of the liquid from the vial, especially with the 25g pin b/c the process is so slow. Last time I did this I forgot to equalize the pressure in the vial before I went to draw the fluid. Apparently there was too much negative pressure in the vial after I drew the oil b/c the syringe blew off the vial that I had drew about 1cc of Deca into. When it blew about half of the fluid went back into the vial and the other half a cc went all over the wall. grrr

Week 10:
Strength has leveled off a bit, Libido is still great (reason I keep mentioning this is b/c of the 'fear' everyone has of Deca-dick..), I suffered a Micro-tear this week in the region inbeween the pec and delt close to the arm pit. I don't think I was warmed up good enough before I started my workout. This will be a pretty big set-back and prob won't be able to Max Out again on bench for a few weeks..

Comments: My skin is constantly oily and it's starting to get a little annoying. B/c of this I have started to accumulate some more acne on the back of my arms and back. So far, this is probably the side I most dislike about this cycle. Maybe with some cleaner gear this wouldn't happen??

Week 11:
Same as week 10*, Micro-tear is still affecting my workouts so I have tried to lighten up the weight to let it heal.

Comments: If you read week 1-9 of my cycle on the first page then you will see that I had a LOT of problems with soreness, swelling, and redness on my injections for the first few weeks. I have not had even the least bit of soreness or any problems to speak of since then; I guess I'm finally used to the juice :D This week I noticed another undesirable side effect in the form of back and arm hairs that weren't there before I started the cycle besides for a couple of strays from time to time. This was pretty easy to notice since I don't really have much body hair...especially on my back! Hopefully this isn't permanent...??

Week 12:
Same as week 11*, Micro-tear feels a little better but definitely hasn't healed; I'm guessing at least another two weeks before I can lift really heavy again on chest. :-/ was hoping to put up 350+!! Guess that's not happening...unless PCT is good to me :D

Comments: I have been experiencing a really sore lower back for a couple weeks and I'm not sure if it's from the extra weight I've gained (20lbs), reduced flexibility during this cycle, or another side effect from the juice?? b/c I have seen some complaining on EF of painful lower back-pumps...?? Second to last injection of the cycle was a glute. Punctured the skin, injected, everything felt normal and as I pulled out a ton of blood sprayed out all over the floor and proceeded to bleed profusely. I put pressure on the spot for about a minute and the bleeding stopped. I must have hit a vein or something. I hope it was mostly blood instead of a bunch of wasted juice...
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I have reached the 20 lb mark I wanted to get to without too much bloat so hopefully I can keep most of what I gained with proper PCT that I have since modified from the beginning of this post. I think I could have gained a little more quality weight had I not come down with the Flu on week 5 of my cycle and had to stop lifting for about a week! All in all I reached my desired weight of 212lbs (max during cycle). Now it's time to cut and try to keep the gains I've worked so hard for this cycle. I will post after my PCT and what exactly I did during my PCT in a few weeks. Right now the plan is HCGenerate, maybe even some inj HCG, TRS Stack from Prim Performance, and Clomid. I am currently 3 days after my last Test injection.


Any comments or answers to my questions above are welcome. :D
 
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cgar1228 said:
Finishing off where I left off from Page 1. Weeks 9-12 Continued..

Week 9:
Strength has increased slightly, Libido is great!, Joints still feel awesome from the Deca

Comments: One thing I have been doing is pressurizing the vial with the syringe for easy extraction of the liquid from the vial, especially with the 25g pin b/c the process is so slow. Last time I did this I forgot to equalize the pressure in the vial before I went to draw the fluid. Apparently there was too much negative pressure in the vial after I drew the oil b/c the syringe blew off the vial that I had drew about 1cc of Deca into. When it blew about half of the fluid went back into the vial and the other half a cc went all over the wall. grrr

Week 10:
Strength has leveled off a bit, Libido is still great (reason I keep mentioning this is b/c of the 'fear' everyone has of Deca-dick..), I suffered a Micro-tear this week in the region inbeween the pec and delt close to the arm pit. I don't think I was warmed up good enough before I started my workout. This will be a pretty big set-back and prob won't be able to Max Out again on bench for a few weeks..

Comments: My skin is constantly oily and it's starting to get a little annoying. B/c of this I have started to accumulate some more acne on the back of my arms and back. So far, this is probably the side I most dislike about this cycle. Maybe with some cleaner gear this wouldn't happen??

Week 11:
Same as week 10*, Micro-tear is still affecting my workouts so I have tried to lighten up the weight to let it heal.

Comments: If you read week 1-9 of my cycle on the first page then you will see that I had a LOT of problems with soreness, swelling, and redness on my injections for the first few weeks. I have not had even the least bit of soreness or any problems to speak of since then; I guess I'm finally used to the juice :D This week I noticed another undesirable side effect in the form of back and arm hairs that weren't there before I started the cycle besides for a couple of strays from time to time. This was pretty easy to notice since I don't really have much body hair...especially on my back! Hopefully this isn't permanent...??

Week 12:
Same as week 11*, Micro-tear feels a little better but definitely hasn't healed; I'm guessing at least another two weeks before I can lift really heavy again on chest. :-/ was hoping to put up 350+!! Guess that's not happening...unless PCT is good to me :D

Comments: I have been experiencing a really sore lower back for a couple weeks and I'm not sure if it's from the extra weight I've gained (20lbs), reduced flexibility during this cycle, or another side effect from the juice?? b/c I have seen some complaining on EF of painful lower back-pumps...?? Second to last injection of the cycle was a glute. Punctured the skin, injected, everything felt normal and as I pulled out a ton of blood sprayed out all over the floor and proceeded to bleed profusely. I put pressure on the spot for about a minute and the bleeding stopped. I must have hit a vein or something. I hope it was mostly blood instead of a bunch of wasted juice...
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I have reached the 20 lb mark I wanted to get to without too much bloat so hopefully I can keep most of what I gained with proper PCT that I have since modified from the beginning of this post. I think I could have gained a little more quality weight had I not come down with the Flu on week 5 of my cycle and had to stop lifting for about a week! All in all I reached my desired weight of 212lbs (max during cycle). Now it's time to cut and try to keep the gains I've worked so hard for this cycle. I will post after my PCT and what exactly I did during my PCT in a few weeks. Right now the plan is HCGenerate, maybe even some inj HCG, TRS Stack from Prim Performance, and Clomid. I am currently 3 days after my last Test injection.


Any comments or answers to my questions above are welcome. :D
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gear quailty doesnt effect oily skin thats hormones...if ya gear wasnt good ya wouldnt put on 20 lbs and tear ur pec from heavy lifting
 
Yeah, I figured it was prob just the added testosterone but I've always had a naturally high testosterone level and never had ANY backne or arm acne.
 
like I said in the post above, I'm only 4 days past my last Test Injection and hit up 600iu of HGC for the first time yesterday. Last night I weighed 211 at the gym, that's 20lbs even from where I was and I'm not bloated at all right now so I expect to keep a lot of what I gained.
 
high testosterone doesnt cause acne...hormone fluctuations cause acne
 
Ok cool.Keep us updated.I ran long easters before like test e and deca.But couldn't keep gains from it thats why I'm asking.
Now I stick with short easters like prop,NPP and Tbol.
 
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