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ok, now I think Fedor is ducking the UFC.

Does anyone know the whole story with the affliction collapse?
Fedor needs to try the UFC out haha. I dont think he can hang
 
How can one collapsed drug test sink an entire federation?

I heard that Fedor wanted UFC to co-sponsor with his own promotion. Which the deal he was trying to make was something like $30 million for a total of 5 fights.
 
Well affliction put all it's egg's into the Barnett/Fedor fight. WHen Barnett tested positive, they tried to get Belfort to fight Fedor.....god what a sham. I hope he's staying out of the UFC because of Dana's bullshit "I own the rights to your whole existence for all of time" contract stipulations. But I'm sure Fedor has enough clout to get those taken out. So it's inexplicable why he won't go to the UFC and own the division. In 3 years he's going to be well past his prime and even if Lesnar fades, he's pushed the bar now so that the rest of the division has to answer. Whoever the UFC champ is in 3 years, he's going to be a beast and if Fedor keeps figthing bums or even good lower weight division opponents....He's not going to be ready for the 260 pound plus beast that's going to be waiting for him in the UFC. And i"m not necessarily talking about Lesnar....I just think that's the way the division is headed.
 
Maybe he does not want Brock Lesnar to lay ontop of him on the mat and beat up the floor around his head. Thats about all that big fucking DA can do.
 
Strongbow said:
Maybe he does not want Brock Lesnar to lay ontop of him on the mat and beat up the floor around his head. Thats about all that big fucking DA can do.
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Fedor wouldn't lie there no matter what. People have taken him down in the past and before his back even touched the mat he had his submission locked in. His groundwork is another universe compared to Mir. Mir hasn't tapped the caliber of fighter that Fedor has. I honestly think Brock wouldn't go near him.
 
Strongbow said:
Maybe he does not want Brock Lesnar to lay ontop of him on the mat and beat up the floor around his head. Thats about all that big fucking DA can do.
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Pretty much sais it all....But it gets the job done, and their faces afterwards are a mess.
 
I think Fedor is the strongest baddest heavyweight in the world right now.
 
did you see that fedor won against that giant asian? lol i think he could hold off brock. once he gets him to the ground brock is fucked
 
PICK3 said:
Fedor is bad ass, butt I'm knot sure he could stop Brock's take downs.
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I don't think he'd want to. The guy tapped a world champion BJJ guy in like a minute. People said that Brock shouldn't get near Mir, but Mir isn't even in the same league as Fedor on the ground. Fedor is working for submissions before his back even touches the mat, that's what set's him apart. Brock would be too busy blocking sub's to effectively ground and pound Fedor. But if Fedor waits too long on this he's going to decline. Brock is going to have his hands full in the next couple years between velasquez and carwin.

By the way, there's an odd story from Brock where he claims that he and carwin got their punch's recorded on a force bag. He said his was over 1300 and carwins was 1200. Two things on this........Carwin is completely baffled because he say's that A) they've never ever ever met and B) He never participated in any sort of punch power recording, let alone with brock. Second, Brock is claiming a 1300 psi rating when Rampage got his clocked at like 1900. No way big ole 290 pound Brock isn't "AT LEAST" in the same ball park let alone his should probably me more. It seems that Lesnar may be a complete bullshitter, like a weird kind of bullshitter........who knows.
 
I think Fedor would destroy Lesnar just to prove that he can. Just like his first Affliction fight with Sylvia he would have something to prove and probably beat him in less than a minute just on principle alone.

Fedor would be prepared for Brock to try to lie on him and ground and pound and have all his submissions fully trained, unlike Mir. And if Brock stood up with him he has never seen anyone throw a punch as fast and as many as Fedor can without stopping. The guy can throw 15 hard punches in less than 10 seconds.
 
Fedor isn't ducking anyone. Fedor is loyal to M-1 Global. If the UFC wanted Fedor, all they had to do was agree to cross promote shows with M-1 Global. Strikeforce will cross promote with M-1 Global, hence Fedor went with the promotion that gave him what he wants.

Who would Fedor be ducking from the UFC? Fedor has absolutely demolished anyone from the UFC that he has faced and that includes 5 different UFC heavyweight champions.
 
jacob, who the fuck is he going to fight in strikeforce? You have to acknowledge that the last couple years have been an absolute waste for possibly the greatest fighter in recorded competitive history. I mean correct me if I'm wrong, but where else is he going to fight the likes of couture, Mir, Lesnar, velasquez, carwin.....a rematch with Crocop perhaps. I dunno, Maybe when I said "ducking" I was hasty.....maybe Dana's demands are just simply intolerable. I hope that's the case, I hope it's something like Dana wants to own his likeness for the rest of eternity kind of shit. Otherwise, he should get his ass to the UFC and "fight". He could already be a worldwide icon had he signed with the UFC some time ago. How old is he anyway?




Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
Fedor isn't ducking anyone. Fedor is loyal to M-1 Global. If the UFC wanted Fedor, all they had to do was agree to cross promote shows with M-1 Global. Strikeforce will cross promote with M-1 Global, hence Fedor went with the promotion that gave him what he wants.

Who would Fedor be ducking from the UFC? Fedor has absolutely demolished anyone from the UFC that he has faced and that includes 5 different UFC heavyweight champions.
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CajunSaint said:
i think Fedor could get Brock. Brocks ground game is still weak
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brock was a dvision 1 national champion wrestler for 2 years straight. i think he has some grappling skills. i could be wrong though, but it seems like hed have a good idea what hes doing on the ground.
 
timtim said:
brock was a dvision 1 national champion wrestler for 2 years straight. i think he has some grappling skills. i could be wrong though, but it seems like hed have a good idea what hes doing on the ground.
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Oh he's an outstanding wrestler for sure. I'm still uncertain what happened though in the Mir fight. Was Mir's submission skills any where near Fedor's? I would say no, but he's not too shabby yet he displayed ZERO aptitude on the ground in their last fight. I can't tell if that was just because Brock is too big and that little side headlock thing was just too dominant, or was Mir thinking he could let Brock tire himself out with GnP? If you look at Fedor's fights, the guy really is setting up a submission before he's fully on the ground. Mir appeared to "purposefully" put Brock in that half guard position and lay there, waiting.....for what I don't know. But the first fight Mir was much better at moving on the ground.
 
CajunSaint said:
he may have grappling skills but do you think brock could stop fedors crazy submissions?
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im thinking hes probably, or would be if he were fighting him, practicing all defenses for fedors moves. i think he would try to limit his ground offense training and really focus on what to do when hes locked up. im just guessing though. i dont have a clue what his training team plans as strategy when they fight different fighters.
 
redsamurai said:
Oh he's an outstanding wrestler for sure. I'm still uncertain what happened though in the Mir fight. Was Mir's submission skills any where near Fedor's? I would say no, but he's not too shabby yet he displayed ZERO aptitude on the ground in their last fight. I can't tell if that was just because Brock is too big and that little side headlock thing was just too dominant, or was Mir thinking he could let Brock tire himself out with GnP? If you look at Fedor's fights, the guy really is setting up a submission before he's fully on the ground. Mir appeared to "purposefully" put Brock in that half guard position and lay there, waiting.....for what I don't know. But the first fight Mir was much better at moving on the ground.
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i dont want to come off like im extremely familiar with the sport or all the athletes so i dont know how brock would do, but what i have seen from fedor i would guess that brock would really just have to be set defensively. fedor is a great athlete, would be very difficult to defeat him.
 
We also dont know how hard lesnar can take a hit. He has only been punched a few times and they werent very hard, but it seemed like he got flustered when randy and mir tagged him a few times.
 
redsamurai said:
jacob, who the fuck is he going to fight in strikeforce? You have to acknowledge that the last couple years have been an absolute waste for possibly the greatest fighter in recorded competitive history. I mean correct me if I'm wrong, but where else is he going to fight the likes of couture, Mir, Lesnar, velasquez, carwin.....a rematch with Crocop perhaps. I dunno, Maybe when I said "ducking" I was hasty.....maybe Dana's demands are just simply intolerable. I hope that's the case, I hope it's something like Dana wants to own his likeness for the rest of eternity kind of shit. Otherwise, he should get his ass to the UFC and "fight". He could already be a worldwide icon had he signed with the UFC some time ago. How old is he anyway?
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I think Fedor is 31 or 32. I think the entire roster of the UFC heavyweights is composed of 2nd and 3rd tier fighters currently with he exception of maybe Couture and Lesnar. Noguiera is shot, probably thanks to Fedor. The UFC dumped Werdum. Gonzaga hasn't worked out. Kongo is far too one dimensional. Cro cop is a shadow of his former self, a former self which Fedor already whooped None of the new crop of heavyweights are proven. Fedor at this point has nothing to prove. He is the litmus for all other heavyweights. The heavyweight division of the UFC needs him more than he needs the heavyweight division of the UFC,

I think Strikeforce has potential. They also have a few very game heavyweights like Alistair Overeem, Andre Arlovski, and Brett Rogers. I don't think the disparity in competition in the heavyweights is like the disparity in competition in the lighter weights.
 
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
Fedor isn't ducking anyone. Fedor is loyal to M-1 Global. If the UFC wanted Fedor, all they had to do was agree to cross promote shows with M-1 Global. Strikeforce will cross promote with M-1 Global, hence Fedor went with the promotion that gave him what he wants.
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redsamurai said:
Oh he's an outstanding wrestler for sure. I'm still uncertain what happened though in the Mir fight. Was Mir's submission skills any where near Fedor's? I would say no, but he's not too shabby yet he displayed ZERO aptitude on the ground in their last fight. I can't tell if that was just because Brock is too big and that little side headlock thing was just too dominant, or was Mir thinking he could let Brock tire himself out with GnP? If you look at Fedor's fights, the guy really is setting up a submission before he's fully on the ground. Mir appeared to "purposefully" put Brock in that half guard position and lay there, waiting.....for what I don't know. But the first fight Mir was much better at moving on the ground.
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I think Mir's whole strategy revolved around getting a leg lock out of half guard.
 
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
I think Mir's whole strategy revolved around getting a leg lock out of half guard.
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you're the MMA expert around here, but that seems like a retarded strategy. Like he was conceding that he has one shot and one shot only. I wish he would have tried to take Lesnar down when he had him rocked instead of trying to do that goofy flying knee to get through Lesnars cover up. I would love to see what Brock does when he get's put on his back.


As for your previous post on HW talent outside of the UFC, Overeem is the only guy out there that I can see being a decent fight for Fedor. He didn't look all that great when he beat on Crocop in Dream, so I'm not sure what he could possibly do to Fedor. But I haven't seen him fight that much so who knows. Who's over at strikeforce in the HW division besides overeem? I just think that the HW division in the UFC has the most burgeoning talent right now.
 
PICK3 said:
Fedor is bad ass, butt I'm knot sure he could stop Brock's take downs.
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He won't need to worry about that. I'm pretty sure Fedor would put him out from punches. Fedor's fist are to fast for brock. He's never had anyone in mma come at him with that kind of hand speed. Brock just like most grapplers don't take strikes well. You can all say randy hit him and stayed up, but randy isn't no ko puncher either. Fedor's fucking him up if they fight soon. By ko or tko.
 
2DIEZEL said:
We also dont know how hard lesnar can take a hit. He has only been punched a few times and they werent very hard, but it seemed like he got flustered when randy and mir tagged him a few times.
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BINGO!!! Everyone talks about his ground but the way to beat him is to put fist and kicks in his face. He won't be able to hold up. He's never been there before and will panic. He'll fade.
 
AztecWarrior said:
BINGO!!! Everyone talks about his ground but the way to beat him is to put fist and kicks in his face. He won't be able to hold up. He's never been there before and will panic. He'll fade.
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I agree with you here. Why bother going to the ground with Lesnar when his chin is untested? Getting slugged in the gym is very different than getting slugged by an opponent with bad intentions.
 
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
I agree with you here. Why bother going to the ground with Lesnar when his chin is untested? Getting slugged in the gym is very different than getting slugged by an opponent with bad intentions.
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Yup. The difference from the people in his gym, is anyone he fights is really going to try to knock him out.
 
redsamurai said:
you're the MMA expert around here, but that seems like a retarded strategy. Like he was conceding that he has one shot and one shot only. I wish he would have tried to take Lesnar down when he had him rocked instead of trying to do that goofy flying knee to get through Lesnars cover up. I would love to see what Brock does when he get's put on his back.


As for your previous post on HW talent outside of the UFC, Overeem is the only guy out there that I can see being a decent fight for Fedor. He didn't look all that great when he beat on Crocop in Dream, so I'm not sure what he could possibly do to Fedor. But I haven't seen him fight that much so who knows. Who's over at strikeforce in the HW division besides overeem? I just think that the HW division in the UFC has the most burgeoning talent right now.
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I think the good heavyweights are spread around the various leagues. Overeem's striking is a real threat to Fedor. He outstruck Cro-cop and threw Cro-cop arond like a rag doll. He outstruck Remy Bonjansky in K-1 kickboxing, losing an absolute bullshit decision, and he knocked out Badr Hari in K-1 also.

Strikeforce has Brett Rogers who is a real heavy hitting, acurate, and huge heavyweight. Rogers recently knocked Andre Arlovski out within 40 seconds of the first round. Rogers is still very green though. I think he has only had 10 or so pro matches. I think Strikeforce is getting Werdum, but I'm not completely sure.
 
By the time those guys are ready for Fedor he might be past his prime. I dunno, maybe he can get better as he get's older, like Randy. But Randy had guys' like Lidell and Ortiz to push him. I'm just saying that imo, the best fights for Fedor right now are obviously in the UFC. I haven't heard of Rogers or Badr, I'll have to check them out. I just want him to go to the UFC and smash Brock and then take a couple good fights. I can't beleive it's "all" Dana's doing that Fedor isn't there. I know Dana's contract stipulations are sketch, but I would think that he would have dropped some of those considering that a Lesnar/Fedor matchup has a trillion dollars written all over it. I'm not suggesting Fedor is scared of anybody in the UFC, although the thread title does suggest that.......I just think he might be too high and mighty himself. Put that together with Dana's ego and we'll probably never see it happen, which pisses me off. I'm already pissed how many years we've lost of Fedor bullshitting around with middleweights, it's annoying. This guy is possibly my favorite athlete "of all time".


Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
I think the good heavyweights are spread around the various leagues. Overeem's striking is a real threat to Fedor. He outstruck Cro-cop and threw Cro-cop arond like a rag doll. He outstruck Remy Bonjansky in K-1 kickboxing, losing an absolute bullshit decision, and he knocked out Badr Hari in K-1 also.

Strikeforce has Brett Rogers who is a real heavy hitting, acurate, and huge heavyweight. Rogers recently knocked Andre Arlovski out within 40 seconds of the first round. Rogers is still very green though. I think he has only had 10 or so pro matches. I think Strikeforce is getting Werdum, but I'm not completely sure.
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I think there is too much money in a fight between Fedor and Lesnar for all involved parties not to make a serious go at it at some point. Guys who are into MMA like you and I have to be careful about assuming that the average UFC fan knows as much as we know about various fighters. I am willing to bet the typical mainstream UFC fan has no idea who Fedor is. Fedor may use Strikeforce to get mainstream American exposure, thus increasing the total value of the fight.

The UFC has proven willing to cross promote with other organizations. Back several years ago, the UFC cross promoted with pride and had Chuck Liddel fight in the Pride Middle-Weight Grand Prix. They even had Dana White and Randy Couture as commentators on the Pride pay-per-view.

I think in the end we will get Lesnar vs. Fedor. Hopefully it will work out for the better. By that time Lesnar will have more experience making him better able to withstand a versatile fighter like Fedor. Right now, I can't see Lesnar dealing with the accuracy, speed, and power of Fedor's striking.
 
AztecWarrior said:
He won't need to worry about that. I'm pretty sure Fedor would put him out from punches. Fedor's fist are to fast for brock. He's never had anyone in mma come at him with that kind of hand speed. Brock just like most grapplers don't take strikes well. You can all say randy hit him and stayed up, but randy isn't no ko puncher either. Fedor's fucking him up if they fight soon. By ko or tko.
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Again, I'm knot sure who wood win.

Agreed, if Fedor connected he could KTFO Lesnar, butt he wood have to worry about Lesnar's takedowns and ground n pound.

For a striker to land a KO blow he has to plant his feet, if Brock were smart he would continually move and then find a trailing leg and shoot for a takedown.
 
PICK3 said:
Again, I'm knot sure who wood win.

Agreed, if Fedor connected he could KTFO Lesnar, butt he wood have to worry about Lesnar's takedowns and ground n pound.

For a striker to land a KO blow he has to plant his feet, if Brock were smart he would continually move and then find a trailing leg and shoot for a takedown.
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Currently, he dosen't have the skill to avoid Fedors strikes. Not like he hasn't faced good wrestlers or better before. Takedowns is all he can do to avoid his strikes. He has no head movement, footwork, kicks, or good hands to keep Fedor off him. Brock is a great young talent and could be better in time. He got by with fighting other grapplers with limited striking, strenght, and size. He won't be able to do what he's done to other with Fedor. I don't see anything that Brock can do that Fedor can't handle.
 
AztecWarrior said:
Currently, he dosen't have the skill to avoid Fedors strikes. Not like he hasn't faced good wrestlers or better before. Takedowns is all he can do to avoid his strikes. He has no head movement, footwork, kicks, or good hands to keep Fedor off him. Brock is a great young talent and could be better in time. He got by with fighting other grapplers with limited striking, strenght, and size. He won't be able to do what he's done to other with Fedor. I don't see anything that Brock can do that Fedor can't handle.
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I see it as an equal challenge.

Brock has to avoid Fedor's strikes and Fedor has to avoid the takedowns of a larger very skilled grappler.
 
AztecWarrior said:
I don't see anything that Brock can do that Fedor can't handle.
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You're kidding yourself if you think Fedor can handle a well-timed takedown attempt by a world-class wrestler who on fight night will outweigh him by 55 pounds. Short of catching Brock with a home-run swing right off the hop, Fedor would have to fight off of his back eventually, and that's what makes this fight a coin-toss in spite of Brock's inexperience. Nobody in MMA is going to do well with Brock on top of them at this point.
 
canadianhitman said:
You're kidding yourself if you think Fedor can handle a well-timed takedown attempt by a world-class wrestler who on fight night will outweigh him by 55 pounds.
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On paper it looks crazy, but he can. Where he's from they have some of the best wrestlers in the world. You don't think he's grappled with monsters just like Brock before? He's considered the best for a reason. Brock needs to fight more to prove himself. You guys just look at this freak of a size good wresstler but you need to realize he truly hasn't been tested yet. Wait until he gets hit full on and see how he reacts. Bet you he will fall and turtle up on the floor. He won a undersized randy, a reduced mir, and fading talent in crazyhorse. He fought them at the right time. Presently, I have no doutbs that Fedor would win. Brock is still green and don't believe the hype just yet.
 
AztecWarrior said:
On paper it looks crazy, but he can. Where he's from they have some of the best wrestlers in the world. You don't think he's grappled with monsters just like Brock before? He's considered the best for a reason. Brock needs to fight more to prove himself. You guys just look at this freak of a size good wresstler but you need to realize he truly hasn't been tested yet. Wait until he gets hit full on and see how he reacts. Bet you he will fall and turtle up on the floor. He won a undersized randy, a reduced mir, and fading talent in crazyhorse. He fought them at the right time. Presently, I have no doutbs that Fedor would win. Brock is still green and don't believe the hype just yet.
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Well, I guess the point is moot since there's no imminent match up between these two.
 
The problem is that Fedor's BJJ and judo skills are so good that if Lesnar shot on him i'm not sure he'd end up on top. Fedor doesn't "wrestle" per se, his grappling is just so different....is it that samba? I dunno.....I've seen wrestlers with Lesnar type background go up against Fedor and get silly fucked. Fedor can win from "anywhere"....he really doesn't need a gameplan cause he just goes with what the guy is giving him. If lesnar stands, he'll just throw those looping bombs that if anyone else would throw them, it would leave them vulnerable to a take down. I've seen him miss badly with those punches and have some guy shoot on him looking "perfect"......next thing you know, literally in the blink of an eye, Fedor's on top or has some sick rarely seen before version of a submission. It's just ridiculous. Brock should just stand with him.....he's got enough power to knock Fedor silly if he connects. If it happens Fedor is going to scramble to lock with him and that's when Brock has to resist the urge to lock up and wrestle. He's got to get the fuck away from Fedor.
 
redsamurai said:
The problem is that Fedor's BJJ and judo skills are so good that if Lesnar shot on him i'm not sure he'd end up on top. Fedor doesn't "wrestle" per se, his grappling is just so different....is it that samba? I dunno.....I've seen wrestlers with Lesnar type background go up against Fedor and get silly fucked. Fedor can win from "anywhere"....he really doesn't need a gameplan cause he just goes with what the guy is giving him. If lesnar stands, he'll just throw those looping bombs that if anyone else would throw them, it would leave them vulnerable to a take down. I've seen him miss badly with those punches and have some guy shoot on him looking "perfect"......next thing you know, literally in the blink of an eye, Fedor's on top or has some sick rarely seen before version of a submission. It's just ridiculous. Brock should just stand with him.....he's got enough power to knock Fedor silly if he connects. If it happens Fedor is going to scramble to lock with him and that's when Brock has to resist the urge to lock up and wrestle. He's got to get the fuck away from Fedor.
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That's just it. Brock dosen't know how to close the distance or fight in the clinch. He's freestyle wrestler all the way. He throws one punch at time, but fedor throws many. He will lose no matter what he does.
 


Take what you want from this match.
 
As a side note, did any of you guys know that Marius Pudzianowski is having an MMA match in December?
 
Fedor Vs. Lestner would def. be a very interesting fight

You have an excellent wrestler with brute strength, vicious takedowns, devestating ground and pound vs. a guy that has brick hands, is great on the ground and on his feet and is also very strong

It would be a good match up and the word "underdog" should not even be considered...I think it could go both ways
 
AztecWarrior said:
LOL. Pick3, you of all people really think brock could win?
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I truly don't know.

After 4 UFC fights I'm knot at the nuthugger stage of claiming Brock as the best ever, butt his wins were very impressive.

He mismatched all of his opponents with size and power. If he beat Fedor and some bigger fighters, e.g., Gonzaga, and perhaps Arloskwki (sp?), then I'll join the nuthugger crew :rainbow:

However, to think Brock couldn't compete with Fedor, or any other HW on the planet is distorted.
 
PICK3 said:
I truly don't know.

After 4 UFC fights I'm knot at the nuthugger stage of claiming Brock as the best ever, butt his wins were very impressive.

He mismatched all of his opponents with size and power. If he beat Fedor and some bigger fighters, e.g., Gonzaga, and perhaps Arloskwki (sp?), then I'll join the nuthugger crew :rainbow:

However, to think Brock couldn't compete with Fedor, or any other HW on the planet is distorted.
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Good analysis. I agree.
 
the_alcatraz said:
that's amazing. He WAS the world's strongest man 4 times in a row...talk about brute monsterous power
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If what I read is to be believed, he has a fair amount of experience with Kyokushin karate and boxing. Kyokushin is full contact without gloves. If you have ever seen Andy Hug fight, Andy Hug was a Kyokushin fighter when he went to K-1.
 
PICK3 said:
I truly don't know.

After 4 UFC fights I'm knot at the nuthugger stage of claiming Brock as the best ever, butt his wins were very impressive.

He mismatched all of his opponents with size and power. If he beat Fedor and some bigger fighters, e.g., Gonzaga, and perhaps Arloskwki (sp?), then I'll join the nuthugger crew :rainbow:

However, to think Brock couldn't compete with Fedor, or any other HW on the planet is distorted.
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Listen! I never said he couldn't fight with any figther in the world, but winning is different. Fedor is to good for him. People suck on his nuts and he really hasn't been in the fire yet. Anyone with good takedown defense and good strikes can beat him right now. Hitting him right in the nose or chin his going to bring his big ass down. He's more scared of being hit in the face then anything else I bet. It takes time to adjust to being able to take hard hits by great strikers and knowing how to deal with it mentally.
 
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
If what I read is to be believed, he has a fair amount of experience with Kyokushin karate and boxing. Kyokushin is full contact without gloves. If you have ever seen Andy Hug fight, Andy Hug was a Kyokushin fighter when he went to K-1.
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Heard his boxing was good. He gave it up after taking up powerlifting.
 
Personally I think Lesnar's wrestling skills are overrated. He couldn't toss Randy around and he must have outweighed Randy by around 60 pounds or so. He's taken down Frank Mir, who wanted to go down and a little Korean guy with a losing record in MMA.
 
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
Personally I think Lesnar's wrestling skills are overrated. He couldn't toss Randy around and he must have outweighed Randy by around 60 pounds or so.
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But more importantly, Randy couldn't take him down.

He played with Heath Herring like throwing around a 2nd grader.
 
PICK3 said:
But more importantly, Randy couldn't take him down.

He played with Heath Herring like throwing around a 2nd grader.
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True. It seemed like he sprawls out well. It's not going to help him against a striker though. Heath Herring's wrestling stinks though. Heath Herring got tooled by Jake O'Brien who is a decent light heavyweight wrestler. Herring could barely hold Cheik Kongo down and Kongo's grappling is abysmal.
 
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
True. It seemed like he sprawls out well. It's not going to help him against a striker though. Heath Herring's wrestling stinks though. Heath Herring got tooled by Jake O'Brien who is a decent light heavyweight wrestler. Herring could barely hold Cheik Kongo down and Kongo's grappling is abysmal.
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Knot you Jacob. You're knot taking the side of the striker :confused:

To KTFO someone you have to plant your feet. If you have to chase a skilled grappler and you over extend or leave a leg trailing you're done. If knot professional boxers wood dominate MMA.
 
PICK3 said:
Knot you Jacob. You're knot taking the side of the striker :confused:

To KTFO someone you have to plant your feet. If you have to chase a skilled grappler and you over extend or leave a leg trailing you're done. If knot professional boxers wood dominate MMA.
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Fedors not a traditional striker. LOL! His striking is suited for MMA. His stance is modified. He's gonna run over Brock if he gets the chance soon.
 
AztecWarrior said:
Fedors not a traditional striker. LOL! His striking is suited for MMA. His stance is modified. He's gonna run over Brock if he gets the chance soon.
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still can't get around planting the feet part

if he lunges forward aiding in closing the gap Brock will slam his ass to the mat
 
PICK3 said:
still can't get around planting the feet part

if he lunges forward aiding in closing the gap Brock will slam his ass to the mat
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That's perfectly fine with him. He'll just escape and start landing bombs on that big fucker or choke his ass out. Poor Brock. It will be over faster then puddles can stuff his fatass with food.
 
AztecWarrior said:
That's perfectly fine with him. He'll just escape and start landing bombs on that big fucker or choke his ass out. Poor Brock.
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escaping with a 280lb (after weigh in) Cro-Magnon on top of you is easier said than done

think of MMA being analogous to the triathlon with
running = striking
biking = grappling
swimming = subs/sub defense

Striking is the most natural to people and is develop first. The other two disciplines take years to reach the expert level.

A pure boxer has the same chance of winning a MMA event as a gold medalist distance runner has on winning the Ironman.
 
PICK3 said:
escaping with a 280lb (after weigh in) Cro-Magnon on top of you is easier said than done

think of MMA being analogous to the triathlon with
running = striking
biking = grappling
swimming = subs/sub defense

Striking is the most natural to people and is develop first. The other two disciplines take years to reach the expert level.

A pure boxer has the same chance of winning a MMA event as a gold medalist distance runner has on winning the Ironman.
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Yeah right. Then why even be in MMA when the better pay is in boxing? That statement is false. If it's so easy then why is mma striking so bad? Look at just happen to big Tim. He was supposed to be a top striker in mma in the HW division and was knocked out quickly by a retired boxer past his prime. LOL! What a said showing. You get me pick3. LOL!!! Tim has had many kos in MMA. Can you explain this?
 
AztecWarrior said:
Yeah right. Then why even be in MMA when the better pay is in boxing? That statement is false. If it's so easy then why is mma striking so bad? Look at just happen to big Tim. He was supposed to be a top striker in mma in the HW division and was knocked out quickly by a retired boxer past his prime. LOL! What a said showing. You get me pick3. LOL!!! Tim has had many kos in MMA. Can you explain this?
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Using Tim Sylvia’s performance in one fight is a poor example and to say MMA striking is bad is mind boggling.

When you incorporate boxing, Muay Thai, certain disciplines of Karate, you end up with lethal combinations of strikes.

If boxing is so dominant why don't the thousands of boxers who will never fight for a title flock to MMA and become champions?
 
PICK3 said:
Knot you Jacob. You're knot taking the side of the striker :confused:

To KTFO someone you have to plant your feet. If you have to chase a skilled grappler and you over extend or leave a leg trailing you're done. If knot professional boxers wood dominate MMA.
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I take the side of a striker. Did you see how Lesnar would flinch and freeze when Frank Mir hit him? Lesnar does not like getting hit. A good striker doesn't have to chase someone to strike. they can go in, do damage, then angle away, or draw their opponent into them. You should look at what Maurice Smith did to Mark Coleman in an older UFC. Lesnar is the new Mark Coleman.

I think you under rate the damage a good boxer can do and the skill it takes to box well. There are no kick ass boxers in MMA because boxing pays more. If you can make a million dollars in a boxing match or fifteen thousand fighting in the UFC, which would you choose?

And by the way Ray Mercer, a 48 year old former WBO world heavyweight champion and semi-retired boxer recently KTFO Tim Sylvia even faster than Fedor did. The promoters even tried to fuck Ray over by claiming that it was boxing rules until 2 days before the fight.

 
PICK3 said:
Using Tim Sylvia’s performance in one fight is a poor example and to say MMA striking is bad is mind boggling.

When you incorporate boxing, Muay Thai, certain disciplines of Karate, you end up with lethal combinations of strikes.

If boxing is so dominant why don't the thousands of boxers who will never fight for a title flock to MMA and become champions?
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All the boxers that come to MMA couldn't make it in boxing. Careers ended and needed another way to compete. It's much harder to be the best in one form of fighting then to be decent in all kinds. You can't run or hide. If you're being out wrestled you can't start hitting, if you are being out striked you can't take a person down. The better person always comes out on top most of the time. Thats why a guy like machida is so dangerous. He's so good at one thing that no one really ever had any formal training in. They can train now and they will never catch up to his talent. Truth is fact and fact is truth. :)
 
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
There are no kick ass boxers in MMA because boxing pays more. If you can make a million dollars in a boxing match or fifteen thousand fighting in the UFC, which would you choose?
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Boxing pays the elite more than MMA does, butt as I stated before, of the thousands of boxing participants only a select few will earn a living at it.

If boxing is so dominate why knot go to MMA at least to earn a paycheck?
 
PICK3 said:
Using Tim Sylvia’s performance in one fight is a poor example and to say MMA striking is bad is mind boggling.

When you incorporate boxing, Muay Thai, certain disciplines of Karate, you end up with lethal combinations of strikes.

If boxing is so dominant why don't the thousands of boxers who will never fight for a title flock to MMA and become champions?
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Your assumptions are wrong. Many boxers make a good living off of having losing records. They become trial horses for up and comers and are used to make the up and comers look good. Many boxers at that level are convinced that they will fight for a title or have a successful career. They are groomed to become boxing champions. Boxers typically start before their early teens. They then usually go through the amateur program and rack up sometimes hundreds of fights. Then they may go pro. Boxing is far more competitive than MMA.
 
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
I take the side of a striker. Did you see how Lesnar would flinch and freeze when Frank Mir hit him? Lesnar does not like getting hit. A good striker doesn't have to chase someone to strike. they can go in, do damage, then angle away, or draw their opponent into them. You should look at what Maurice Smith did to Mark Coleman in an older UFC. Lesnar is the new Mark Coleman.

I think you under rate the damage a good boxer can do and the skill it takes to box well. There are no kick ass boxers in MMA because boxing pays more. If you can make a million dollars in a boxing match or fifteen thousand fighting in the UFC, which would you choose?

And by the way Ray Mercer, a 48 year old former WBO world heavyweight champion and semi-retired boxer recently KTFO Tim Sylvia even faster than Fedor did. The promoters even tried to fuck Ray over by claiming that it was boxing rules until 2 days before the fight.

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Correct. The pay and talent pool is way deeper in boxing. Much harder to make it in boxing. The punishment, the amount of endurance it takes, the time to be skilled in the art, and how deal with the situations that will happen takes time. Don't know about you but, I'll take someone thats been boxing since he was a kid with over 200 fights over a mma guy with no past in boxing. They are way behind to win them at the game they've done for years.
 
AztecWarrior said:
Correct. The pay and talent pool is way deeper in boxing. Much harder to make it in boxing. The punishment, the amount of endurance it takes, the time to be skilled in the art, and how deal with the situations that will happen takes time. Don't know about you but, I'll take someone thats been boxing since he was a kid with over 200 fights over a mma guy with no past in boxing. They are way behind to win them at the game they've done for years.
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I would take the average competitive boxer over the average MMA competitor in an MMA match even. I've trained with average MMA guys. They cannot cope with a guy who has even mediocre boxing level striking skills.
 
PICK3 said:
Boxing pays the elite more than MMA does, butt as I stated before, of the thousands of boxing participants only a select few will earn a living at it.

If boxing is so dominate why knot go to MMA at least to earn a paycheck?
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It's not the sport they want excel in. No time. Boxers must always stay active working on the boxing craft. MMA offers really no benifits for them to become better boxers. The main goal is to make it in boxing. Why risk breaking there hands with those little ass gloves. Once the hand goes it never really holds up no more and sometimes have to end boxing because of it. I know. It happen to me. Can't hit nothing fullforce without injurying my hand.
 
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
I would take the average competitive boxer over the average MMA competitor in an MMA match even. I've trained with average MMA guys. They cannot cope with a guy who has even mediocre boxing level striking skills.
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It's the angles, pressure, being able to deal with being hit better, and the speed. MMA fans look at anderson silva and they think he's fast. Put him in with a top ten boxer and he won't look so fast. Boxers are faster and can go longer. Some muay thia and kickboxers can hang standing though.
 
PICK3 said:
"want" has little to do with it. we're talkin boxing knot golf.

most of the participants are on the lower eco-social tier and wood jump at a chance to make $$$ by fighting in any venue.
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No. That's what you'd like to believe. Still more more money to be made even as a journeymen. More boxing events are being held all over the world every week. There is always work. Try harder to debunk my statements, tuts.
 
AztecWarrior said:
No. That's what you'd like to believe. Still more more money to be made even as a journeymen. More boxing events are being held all over there world every week. There is always work. Try harder to debunk my statements, tuts.
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I've watched the entire Rocky series.
 
PICK3 said:
This doesn't mean we'll be spooning while view Tuesday Night Fights on ESPN and sharing Yoplait Yogurt.
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LOL! The things you think of. Sick but funny at the sametime. Do me a favor and don't ever include me in your thoughts like that again. Leave me out of it. I'm not involved.
 
AztecWarrior said:
LOL! The things you think of. Sick but funny at the sametime. Do me a favor and don't ever include me in your thoughts like that again. Leave me out of it. I'm not involved.
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deal ... if you quit sending me cawk pics

AztecWarrior said:
Also, I awlays liked friday night fights better. Don't get it twisted homie.
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I routinely speak authoritatively about shit I know little about.

If you don't believe me ask rnch. :)
 
PICK3 said:
deal ... if you quit sending me cawk pics



I routinely speak authoritatively about shit I know little about.

If you don't believe me ask rnch. :)
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LOL! I gotta jet. Hold down EF for me. Can't wait to come back and see the other wack ass comments that might be made.
 
redsamurai said:
Fedor wouldn't lie there no matter what. People have taken him down in the past and before his back even touched the mat he had his submission locked in. His groundwork is another universe compared to Mir. Mir hasn't tapped the caliber of fighter that Fedor has. I honestly think Brock wouldn't go near him.
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I hate Lesnar... don't hate him, just can't embrace a dude that is geared out, and he has a nasty vibe or attitude that wreeks of I dunno... Kill.

Either way, He killed Couture.

Just sayin.
 
I'll never forget the 9 punch combo I saw Joe Calzaghe land on Jeff Lacy. The handspeed was mind numbing and it was done with 10 ounce gloves.
 
Anderson is a great fighter. He seems to be a really cool guy too. Forrest is a cool guy and a blood and guts fighter, but Anderson is light years beyond him in skill.

I think the Florian Penn fight will be the best of the night.
 
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
I would take the average competitive boxer over the average MMA competitor in an MMA match even. I've trained with average MMA guys. They cannot cope with a guy who has even mediocre boxing level striking skills.
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C'mon dude, Tim Sylvia? You used him and his fight with Mercer as some example of what happens when an MMA fighter meets a boxer? You're basically looking at the same skill set except that Mercer was world class......Sylvia despite being the UFC champ is "horrible". He was only champion because of the utter lack of competition in that division during that time period. I mean didn't Kimbo basically tackle Mercer and beat him the fuck up? What would happen to Mercer if he fought another over the hill MMA'er like Coleman? Former world class wrestler against former world class boxer.........I guarantee Coleman isn't going to stand there with his chin up and out so that Mercer can throw and overhand bomb. The last thing Mercer would see is the top of COlemans head right before he takes that leg. In an MMA match the average wrestler will womanize the average boxer........we've seen this too many times to really debate it. I give boxers all the credit in the world for being "boxers", but as soon as one of em thinks he can step in an MMA ring with little or no MMA training, rely solely on his boxing, the end result has historically been rather predictable. Nothing in their long boxing training remotely prepares them for a guy who's shooting in. Once they're on their back it's game over. Even the hardest punchers can't KO a guy who's got his head down and streaking in for a leg. If you don't have MMA training you have no clue how to defend that let alone know what to do once you're on your back. You have to be striker with the accuracy of Anderson Silva to even have a prayer of staying away from a wrestler while throwing hands at him. Your margin for error is approx zero.
 
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