d-bol

[anabolhulk]

me and a friend are about to do a d-bol cycle theres just a few things that we need cleared up before we start. cos if u we're gonna do it right we wanna have all base's covered.
people always go on about tapering on a cycle, which i thought was standard knowledge but then i read the other day somewhere that, that was all a bit stonage and that it was required on dbol. also i am assuming that a pct is still required on a d-bol only cycle. i know most people say dont d-bol only, but come on guys rome wasnt built in a day
cheers

 

[perryscoon]

Dbol only is fine but be prepared to gain 20 lbs and then lose 17 when you come off.

No need to taper on dbol. Just run the same dosage the whole time.

As for PCT on a dbol only cycle? Someone else can chime in for that.

 

[hurricane]

yes u should do a pct on a dbol only cycle

 

[anabolhulk]

cheers boys, so im good as wasting my money. what would be good to stack it with a test?

 

[joe d]

as a first cycle i would run this

wk 1-6 dbol 25mg 2x per day
wk 1-8 test prop 150mg eod
wk 1-8 .25 mg adex eod (or .5 eod-ed at the first sign of gyno)
wk 8-12 pp test recovery stack
wk 8-10 nolvadex 20mg 2x ed
wk 10-12 nolvadex 10mg 2x ed

if you opt not to use the pp test recovery stack which i wouldnt do add an extra 10mg dose ed to the whole nolvadex schedule. but again i would use the test recovery stack

 

[gixxerman]

good stuff

 

[hurricane]

as a first cycle i would run this

wk 1-6 dbol 25mg 2x per day
wk 1-8 test prop 150mg eod
wk 1-8 .25 mg adex eod (or .5 ed at the first sigh of gyno)
wk 8-12 pp test recovery stack
wk 8-10 nolvadex 20mg 2x ed
wk 10-12 nolvadex 10mg 2x ed

if you opt not to use the pp test recovery stack which i wouldnt do add an extra 10mg dose ed to the whole nolvadex schedule. but again i would use the test recovery stack

good advise .. although i would put test e or c in there for a 1st cycle .. test prop involves to much pinning for 1st timer..make it nice and easy or sometimes people get discouraged

 

[joe d]

good advise .. although i would put test e or c in there for a 1st cycle .. test prop involves to much pinning for 1st timer..make it nice and easy or sometimes people get discouraged

i think there are pros and cons in both.

test e or c pros:
less pinning , this is easier and i guess less chance of infection but that really shouldnt be much risk with proper precautions.

cons:
long buildup in your system some people really cant handle the gear on a first run you are going to find out. if you do have problems you are going to have them for a while

test p pros:
quicker response, less bloat (especially with all the dbol bloat), short life (if you have a problem it will be gone in a few days vs. 7 or more with e or c.

cons:
pinning eod

imo the prop looks like the smarter choice.

 

[perryscoon]

good advise .. although i would put test e or c in there for a 1st cycle .. test prop involves to much pinning for 1st timer..make it nice and easy or sometimes people get discouraged

Agreed. Test-p is not good for a beginner. Way too much pinning.

 

[mattu3743]

me and a friend are about to do a d-bol cycle theres just a few things that we need cleared up before we start. cos if u we're gonna do it right we wanna have all base's covered.
people always go on about tapering on a cycle, which i thought was standard knowledge but then i read the other day somewhere that, that was all a bit stonage and that it was required on dbol. also i am assuming that a pct is still required on a d-bol only cycle. i know most people say dont d-bol only, but come on guys rome wasnt built in a day
cheers

screw a dbol only cycle, to me its not worth it. Run some freakn test...test is a foundation in any cycle, i rather c you run test than to run just dbol, and yeh rome wasnt built in one day, they used a foundation on gov't and power and in this case that would be test dbol would be just the gladiators

 

[hurricane]

i think there are pros and cons in both.

test e or c pros:
less pinning , this is easier and i guess less chance of infection but that really shouldnt be much risk with proper precautions.

cons:
long buildup in your system some people really cant handle the gear on a first run you are going to find out. if you do have problems you are going to have them for a while

test p pros:
quicker response, less bloat (especially with all the dbol bloat), short life (if you have a problem it will be gone in a few days vs. 7 or more with e or c.

cons:
pinning eod

imo the prop looks like the smarter choice.

yes sir u are correct test p is a shorter ester, so it leaves the system quicker,makes things easier with problems ..bloat can be delt with and lower doses of test e makes sides easier to deal with and less common ..

its the eod pinning and pain of test prop..ouchh!! also i dont advise it for a someone new with use of needles,it can be a problem and cause the cycle to get fuxed up

i aint saying your wrong .. opinions vary.. u the man

 

[anabolhulk]

so basicly im looking at

wk 1-6 dbol 25mg 2x per day
wk 1-8 test e or c
wk 1-8 .25 mg adex eod (or .5 ed at the first sigh of gyno)
wk 8-12 pp test recovery stack
wk 8-10 Nolvadex 20mg 2x ed
wk 10-12 Nolvadex 10mg 2x ed

will i need a different amount now im running a different test? im assuming so. also excuse my simpleness whats eod? every other day?

 

[hurricane]

Weeks 1-12 : Test e 500mg's/week.. 250 mgs shot 2x week
Weeks 1-4 : Dbol 30mg's ED--more then enough for 1st time imo

could go the u should do a test only cycle but i will assume u are set on these 2 compounds
i am more of a better safe then sorry outlook person..so im sure u might get other opinions

 

[anabolhulk]

to be honest im certain u are aware despite how much i learn i still know little, i was assuming that d bol was a good building block. what im after is a bulk builder and something to increase my strength . so if there are better compounds to be takin , please point me in the right direction. i sooner use my money and time to its full advantage

 

[Muscle Stack]

good advise .. although i would put test e or c in there for a 1st cycle .. test prop involves to much pinning for 1st timer..make it nice and easy or sometimes people get discouraged

Hurricane???? Bro your an Elite mentor... This is the guys 2nd post and first cycle and not you or anyone else asked the right questions.... Come on guys you know what we are all about here, yes helping and.......KNOWING... Even Joe d knows better... Caught you slipping bro's..

Ok Anabolhulk 1st we need to know age, how many years experience, weight, bodyfat%.. Lets go from there..

Yes I know he just asked about a D-bol only cycle but that was a starting point..

 

[anabolhulk]

right im 23 been training for about a year, i was a stick when i started, weight is 210 pounds and around 22% body fat aparntly (only checked online not done propely, will do at a later date)not sure if its right tho only place thats fat is my gut ha and im 6'1 1/2. that ne good

 

[SouthernLord]

right im 23 been training for about a year, i was a stick when i started, weight is 210 pounds and around 22% body fat aparntly (only checked online not done propely, will do at a later date)not sure if its right tho only place thats fat is my gut ha and im 6'1 1/2. that ne good

Honestly....

You should stay natty longer and get your body comp situated. You have not been training long enough to need gear yet. Give it a few more years of hard training and proper diet then hit the sauce. I know this is not what you want to hear but it is the truth, I do not think many guys here would disagree with that. If you want diet help, training help, and help with a supplement plan then you are at the right place. Good luck in whatever you choose.

 

[anabolhulk]

ill give that running ago my diet is pretty good generally but without a doubt it has a high fat intake. with what u just said in mind, my main goals this year are to add mass, ill doubt ill start cutting up this year in all fairness especially with the english summers being shit lol but yeah i generally just want to get alot bigger its not like i dont train hard i do and eat loads. but if you guys recon i shouldnt bother with gear ill guess ill take your advice
cheers

 

[Muscle Stack]

right im 23 been training for about a year, i was a stick when i started, weight is 210 pounds and around 22% body fat aparntly (only checked online not done propely, will do at a later date)not sure if its right tho only place thats fat is my gut ha and im 6'1 1/2. that ne good

Ok so scratch all the above advise and sit tight.. Use the search tool. What are your goals bro? Because I am 6'1" and 210 my bf is about 18% but I am also 37years old. So I know that the advise is going to change. At 23 with 22% body fat and only a year training I would suggest you get your diet put together. You can harness alot of your natural test and with todays supplements get to a place where you will benefit from GEAR... I would trim the weight down first. Here is what I do I run first thing in the A.M. on an empty stomach (water only) and it gets me lean in about 4 weeks. Then its gear time. Good luck bro and tell us your goals!!!

 

[hurricane]

Hurricane???? Bro your an Elite mentor... This is the guys 2nd post and first cycle and not you or anyone else asked the right questions.... Come guys you know what we are all about here, yes helping and.......KNOWING... Even Joe d knows better... Caught you slipping bro's..

Ok Anabolhulk 1st we need to know age, how many years experience, weight, bodyfat%.. Lets go from there..

Yes I know he just asked about a D-bol only cycle but that was a starting point..

yes sir u are correct ..giving advise over and over ..day after day .. we sometimes get careless, as i usually ask this EVERY time .. never steriods to anyone under 21 with some lifting experience ..k to u my friend

 

[hurricane]

Honestly....

You should stay natty longer and get your body comp situated. You have not been training long enough to need gear yet. Give it a few more years of hard training and proper diet then hit the sauce. I know this is not what you want to hear but it is the truth, I do not think many guys here would disagree with that. If you want diet help, training help, and help with a supplement plan then you are at the right place. Good luck in whatever you choose.

this is solid advise .. with 1 year training experience .. u are in the wrong section..hit up the diet and training sections .. find and incoporate a program that fits your goals.. with 1 year training experience u still can grow like a weed nat and forget steriods for fat loss .. u can do that nat with a good diet and cardio program.. perhaps add a supp like lipoflame

 

[anabolhulk]

yeah all this advice is much appreciated guys.
i generally eat and train well , but i do consume alot of fat in my diet. and only do around 40 minutes cardio a week. my main gains are just to increase raw mass, im not to worried about being cut at the mo.

 

[Muscle Stack]

yes sir u are correct ..giving advise over and over ..day after day .. we sometimes get careless, as i usually ask this EVERY time .. never steriods to anyone under 21 with some lifting experience ..k to u my friend

Spoken like a true man.... P.S. Catch me when I'm slippin too please!!

 

[skaman007]

Dbol only is fine but be prepared to gain 20 lbs and then lose 17 when you come off.

No need to taper on dbol. Just run the same dosage the whole time.

As for PCT on a dbol only cycle? Someone else can chime in for that.[/QUO
so not true to say u will lose17 out of 20lbs.i kept 10lbs out of 14lbs on dbol only.clean diet,,keep eating big ,thru pct and training hard,with ,sustain an 20mg day nolva for 4-6 weeks.

 

[joe d]

yes sir u are correct test p is a shorter ester, so it leaves the system quicker,makes things easier with problems ..bloat can be delt with and lower doses of test e makes sides easier to deal with and less common ..

its the eod pinning and pain of test prop..ouchh!! also i dont advise it for a someone new with use of needles,it can be a problem and cause the cycle to get fuxed up

i aint saying your wrong .. opinions vary.. u the man

its about time we all realized this... j/k you are probably giving him the better advice. i have used prop from my first cycle and just stayed with it. so i dont get the pain at all anymore. but now that you mention it it did kind of suck for the first wk or 2 on my first run.

 

[the bgame]

alright just a question and it was from something i heard floatin around are you able to make d-bol and i also heard the same for Metenolone enanthate is that even possible to do?