Question with a 'just dianabol cycle'.

[SouthPhilly]

Before everyone goes for my head, I'm not planning on or considering a dianabol only cycle.

I'm confused. A good friend of mine was talking about a only dianabol cycle to someone else who was asking, and he had said that he shouldn't need any AI or SERM's, or PCT with a first time dianabol only cycle.

From everything I've read, most people say that there should be something for it. A few say no.

My buddy has his degree in sports medicine and physical therapy, and he know's his shit, he won the NPC last year.

Is it possible to not need anything while on a DBOL only cycle? 50mg a day ED for 50 days, he says no.

Also, if you choose the route of not taking anything, what should you look for to decide if you need to add something?

 

[Heath82]

anythings possible, and everyones different. personally i wouldnt do 50 days, id do 4 weeks. also, id atleast keep an ai on hand just in case, dbol is notorious for gyno. also, id run pct, atleast nolva. theres nothing wrong with a dbol only cycle, just make sure to do it right

 

[joe d]

lol i think this is part 2 under a new name to an earlier post where his age came out. but i could be wrong.

 

[the_alcatraz]

How old are you? stats? (BF%? weight? height?)

Have you used aas before?

I think this is a good place to start before you get some advice on aas usage.

 

[ironcheif1984]

How old are you? stats? (BF%? weight? height?)

Have you used aas before?

I think this is a good place to start before you get some advice on aas usage.

+1 lets get some stats bro.

 

[SouthPhilly]

How old are you? stats? (BF%? weight? height?)

Have you used aas before?

I think this is a good place to start before you get some advice on aas usage.

Stats

I'm 21, 5'9 205 16-17% bodyfat.
Started lifting 2 years ago strict with dieting. Came from an all time high of 250 and 30% bodyfat.
First time cycle. It was just a cycle to start out to build up some strength quickly, not looking for much in permanent size gains or the time being, just a rapid strength gain.

What should be ran on a cycle like this and after for PCT if any is required? It's 50mg a day for 50 days.

 

[HAYEZ]

dbol wihtout an ai=boobies for sure
dbol without pct= losing all gains for sure
these questions you are asking shows he knows not 1 thing about steroids

 

[RossisaFaggot]

Stats

I'm 21, 5'9 205 16-17% bodyfat.
Started lifting 2 years ago strict with dieting. Came from an all time high of 250 and 30% bodyfat.
First time cycle. It was just a cycle to start out to build up some strength quickly, not looking for much in permanent size gains or the time being, just a rapid strength gain.

What should be ran on a cycle like this and after for PCT if any is required? It's 50mg a day for 50 days.

if you aren't looking for any permanent size gains are you doing some sorta strength comp or something?

 

[SouthPhilly]

if you aren't looking for any permanent size gains are you doing some sorta strength comp or something?

An upcoming combine, also just wanted to get strength up in the gym for now.
Say's just milk thistle and tribulus

 

[SouthPhilly]

dbol wihtout an ai=boobies for sure
dbol without pct= losing all gains for sure
these questions you are asking shows he knows not 1 thing about steroids

Which AI should be used and what would proper dosing and time be?

 

[SouthPhilly]

dbol wihtout an ai=boobies for sure
dbol without pct= losing all gains for sure
these questions you are asking shows he knows not 1 thing about steroids

I've known people who've ran 50mg+ for 6 weeks and have no sides, without pct aswell.

 

[HAYEZ]

I've known people who've ran 50mg+ for 6 weeks and have no sides, without pct aswell.

then do it up and let us know how it works...

and first of all anyone doing dbol only cycles has no idea about steroids...topping it off with no pct and no ai... orals are not menbt to be run as cycles...they are add ons

 

[tyty7]

dbol wihtout an ai=boobies for sure

I can do 50mg Dbol with no AI and never had any gyno so this is not true for everyone.

I do suggest PCT because I have seen people get very good gains from 6 weeks Dbol and literally lose them within 2 months. Throwing in a month of Clomid for 150/100/50/50 after the Dbol will not only help keep your gains but make you feel good.

Adding some Test e wouldn't hurt either...

 

[the_alcatraz]

dbol wihtout an ai=boobies for sure
dbol without pct= losing all gains for sure
these questions you are asking shows he knows not 1 thing about steroids

Yes.

Dbol is notorious for gyno + PCT and post cycle diet is what determines how much gains you keep.

 

[atown777]

yes it's true "Some" people can use D-bol without using an anti-estrogen and not grow tits. However the key word here is "some" The rare and the few might be able to pull this off. The question is, why the fuck would you even want to risk it? Arimidex is not that hard to obtain which means you are either lazy, broke, inexperienced or all of the above. you need to run an anti-estrogen so that you dont have tits when you are done with your cycle. Gyno aint no joke and gyno removal surgery is expensive. Also, D-bol has an extremely short half life which means you need to spread your 50mg dose up throughout the day to try and keep your blood levels stable. Your natural testosterone will be suppressed after being on D-bol for only 10 days so you can kiss your nuts goodbye. Do yourself a favor and do some more research.

This would be a better gameplan little brother

Test Enthanate weeks 1-12 400mgs weekly
Dbol weeks 1-5 35mgs dbol daily
Arimidex .5mg daily (you could probably get away with .25mg arimidex daily but I prefer to be extra cautious)
Followed by proper PCT

 

[the_alcatraz]

then do it up and let us know how it works...

and first of all anyone doing dbol only cycles has no idea about steroids...topping it off with no pct and no ai... orals are not menbt to be run as cycles...they are add ons

No Ai is very wrong...but I do anadrol only cycles all thwe time...and I know a fair amount of knoweledge about aas....it works for some.

 

[tyty7]

Test Enthanate weeks 1-12 400mgs weekly
Dbol weeks 1-5 35mgs dbol daily
Arimidex .5mg daily (you could probably get away with .25mg arimidex daily but I prefer to be extra cautious)
Followed by proper PCT

Although I would up the Test to 500mg and Dbol to 40mg this is a solid cycle!!

And if you are afraid of needles - I promise you will not even feel a 25g in the glute (then work your way to a 23g so it doesn't take you 5 minutes to inject). You will like Test so much better than Dbol!!!

 

[atown777]

yeah tyty7

me personally I would go test 500mgs weekly and dbol 50mg daily but he sounds like a newbie so I recommend he pop his cherry with a lower dose first to see how his body responds.

 

[HAYEZ]

No Ai is very wrong...but I do anadrol only cycles all thwe time...and I know a fair amount of knoweledge about aas....it works for some.

anyone who does not have all drugs ready and available to them before a cycle starts is a fool..of course you can start cycle without an ai and see how it works...but to not have it ready there a moron

 

[SouthPhilly]

yes it's true "Some" people can use D-bol without using an anti-estrogen and not grow tits. However the key word here is "some" The rare and the few might be able to pull this off. The question is, why the fuck would you even want to risk it? Arimidex is not that hard to obtain which means you are either lazy, broke, inexperienced or all of the above. you need to run an anti-estrogen so that you dont have tits when you are done with your cycle. Gyno aint no joke and gyno removal surgery is expensive. Also, D-bol has an extremely short half life which means you need to spread your 50mg dose up throughout the day to try and keep your blood levels stable. Your natural testosterone will be suppressed after being on D-bol for only 10 days so you can kiss your nuts goodbye. Do yourself a favor and do some more research.

This would be a better gameplan little brother

Test Enthanate weeks 1-12 400mgs weekly
Dbol weeks 1-5 35mgs dbol daily
Arimidex .5mg daily (you could probably get away with .25mg arimidex daily but I prefer to be extra cautious)
Followed by proper PCT

Clomid for 150/100/50/50 - is that daily? And would that be for PCT following the dianabol or start it on the last week?
As for arimidex, that would be starting at the same time with the dianabol and throughout the whole cycle?

I will paypal anybody who is willing to help me put together proper PCT and AI, PM me for aim me at 'Cheaaabuddy'.
I'll admit I have read up on cycling and aas usage but never paid much mind to pct :-\

 

[tyty7]

Clomid for 150/100/50/50 - is that daily? And would that be for PCT following the dianabol or start it on the last week?
As for arimidex, that would be starting at the same time with the dianabol and throughout the whole cycle?

Arimidex throughout the cycle (.25mg ed if you choose to use it) and Clomid daily beginning 24 hours after the last dianabol usage.

 

[the_alcatraz]

anyone who does not have all drugs ready and available to them before a cycle starts is a fool..of course you can start cycle without an ai and see how it works...but to not have it ready there a moron

we agree on this bro...no one said you should start a cycle without everything ready, including having ais on hand

but to say that whoever does orals-only cycles doesnt know what they're talking about is kinda ignorant and suggestive...

 

[SouthPhilly]

I can do 50mg Dbol with no AI and never had any gyno so this is not true for everyone.

I do suggest PCT because I have seen people get very good gains from 6 weeks Dbol and literally lose them within 2 months. Throwing in a month of Clomid for 150/100/50/50 after the Dbol will not only help keep your gains but make you feel good.

Adding some Test e wouldn't hurt either...

What do you mean by 'feel good'. I've known people who've all felt depressed while on Clomid.

 

[SouthPhilly]

Arimidex throughout the cycle (.25mg ed if you choose to use it) and Clomid daily beginning 24 hours after the last dianabol usage.

Would .5mg ed be too much?

 

[Steve The Bluesman]

I see we still have a lot of bros talking in absolutes here...

I have done a Dbol only cycle (I even logged it here, back in 2004 if you want to go look it up), and it was certainly successful. No AI's, but I did run PCT.

With that said, I agree with most that say it is not as efficient as test, and I would not do it again, but if your workouts and nutrition are spot on, you can make gains.


Bluesman

 

[HAYEZ]

we agree on this bro...no one said you should start a cycle without everything ready, including having ais on hand

but to say that whoever does orals-only cycles doesnt know what they're talking about is kinda ignorant and suggestive...

i look at it as lazy..you dont want to put in the effort to do a real cycle you just want to pop some pills and get big...once people leave the noob stage of steroids where do they end up? usually injectable only cycles and many people avoid orals all together

 

[the_alcatraz]

i look at it as lazy..you dont want to put in the effort to do a real cycle you just want to pop some pills and get big...once people leave the noob stage of steroids where do they end up? usually injectable only cycles and many people avoid orals all together

I add anadrol to every cycle that I do because simply nothing gives me as much strength increase as anadrol....strength increases on test don't even compare...and I keep most of my gains with spot on PCT and diet after cycle...

I've done a shitload of cycles and I still include orals. Most people I know do that as well, and I see a shitload of people do that on EF as well...I don't think they're all noobs bro...

I got more strength increase on monsterdrol that I did when I ran test e and decca together...and it's only a prohormone / oral steroid...besides, not all of us run over a gram of test like you crazy mofo and we'd like to supplement our cycles with an oral