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[jwo02]

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Help me plan my first cycle please.


Goals:
Drop body fat, increase LBM
Huge vascularity


Conditions:
I don't want to pin EVERY day as this is my first cycle
I'd like to keep it shortish, around 8 weeks
I want to GO BIG with the dosing, don't start me off with some little shit that is barely going to be an increase over natural test levels


Diet is definitely in check. You can see this in my food log in the diet section. Cardio is in check, I do somewhere between 2 and 4 miles of running daily.


I'd like to stay away from deca...unless it's just the shit like that. I'm not against running advanced compounds such as Tren(I really want to try it, just can't handle pinning every day). Just please with advanced compounds suggest the PCT I will need if it is different from the normal shit.


Thanks guys.

 

[mr.nitro]

dude, do your own homework. why should we do all the planning for you?

 

[Rage-Of-Sparta]

Fail

 

[OneBreath]

We should talk about this diet first.

1. Have you made a plan for work? No more cupcakes and cake right?
2. You need to get more protein.
3. Less sugar. Kill that damn maple and brown sugar instant oatmeal. Just eat plain oats.
4. Need more vegetables. 4 cups of broccoli a day
5. No more hot wings and ranch. Chicken breasts, eggs, lean ground beef, those are your friends.


1st(10:45 AM):
Some kind of snack mix containing I think 27 carbs, 2 of those being sugar carbs


2nd(2:00 PM):
8 hott wings with ranch dressing, 1 chop steak with mushroom gravy, 1 plain sweet potato


3rd(3:00 PM):
Half assed upper body workout(supposed to be legs day but went with a friend)
1 shot of 1800


4th(3:30ish PM):
1 red apple with ANPB, 1 Atkins 15 gram protein shake, 1 serving Quaker maple and brown sugar oatmeal with 2% milk


5th(9:00ish PM):
1 piece of some Italian bread in a hospital cafeteria


6th(11:00 PM)
1 steak, 1 serving of the oatmeal with milk

 

[jwo02]

Yeah that's a definite on the cake and cupcakes, I was really really hungry and hot wings seemed like they might be ok...but I understand the ranch is fattening. No more of it. As far as the broccoli goes I've never tried it. The only vegetable I've ever really been able to stomach is potatoes and fried onions...and we know that's no good.


Do my own homework and fail? If you're going to post shit like that stay out of here. I'm trying to have a first cycle that will motivate me and keep me pumped and ready to improve my body and over all health.


I guess since I don't want to be pinning every day I'm going to have to run a longer cycle huh? 10-12 weeks of a long test ester and what else?


Thanks for any and all help. Time to go grocery shopping.

 

[goin on 4T]

Well my dad of all poeple finally came through with a local source whos procuts seem to be legit.


Help me plan my first cycle please.


Goals:
Drop body fat, increase LBM
Huge vascularity


Conditions:
I don't want to pin EVERY day as this is my first cycle
I'd like to keep it shortish, around 8 weeks
I want to GO BIG with the dosing, don't start me off with some little shit that is barely going to be an increase over natural test levels


Diet is definitely in check. You can see this in my food log in the diet section. Cardio is in check, I do somewhere between 2 and 4 miles of running daily.


I'd like to stay away from deca...unless it's just the shit like that. I'm not against running advanced compounds such as Tren(I really want to try it, just can't handle pinning every day). Just please with advanced compounds suggest the PCT I will need if it is different from the normal shit.


Thanks guys.

It's not just tell me what I need. We obviously don't know you. Do you know anything about Test., D-bol, winny, EQ etc?
The differences that they do to your chemistry?
The sides they will cause?
What if some ass comes on this thread and says do:
2mgs of test E for 18 weeks
150 of Deca for week 5-18
1200 EQ for week 1-9
What are you going to do?
You need to know what you are putting in your body and not just expect some unknown person to give you a cycle.
You should do research than post something like this:

He guys I believe I have a good source. I have been reading for a while but don't know it all. I see that test-e and c are long esters I was thinking about may a 12-16 week cylce. should/could a first cycle include something other than test. I would like to get really vascular. I have read that deca is good at lean muscle what do you guys think? If yes what amount 300? And for how long?
Oh and I have been on the PCT thread too. I am thinking of an unleashed stack with HCG and maybe some aramdex (sp) so I don't get puffy nips. What do you guys think?


Now that is something peolple can work with. But you posting, hey I got a source what should I get. You are lucky they didn't tell you something that would put you in the big bitch tits catagory or worse and you are complaining that someone told you to fail. Fail means any advice given will fail based on the info you have given us....
Sorry if you don't like it.

 

[swole]

Age, height, weight please

pictures wouldn't be bad either

we'll go from there, i'll make sure you get your info

btw what other compounds have you researched?

 

[V-Machine]

You fell at the first hurdle.....your diet was not in check.

Your whole post reads like you want everything now (wanting to 'GO BIG', vascularity, gain mass, lose fat, almost any compound considered). That is just plain irresponsible. To top it all you want somebody else to take on the responsibility of coming up with a cycle. Posts 2 and 3 were right on the money! Do A LOT of reading and then decide what is right for you.

Well my dad of all poeple finally came through with a local source whos procuts seem to be legit.


Help me plan my first cycle please.


Goals:
Drop body fat, increase LBM
Huge vascularity


Conditions:
I don't want to pin EVERY day as this is my first cycle
I'd like to keep it shortish, around 8 weeks
I want to GO BIG with the dosing, don't start me off with some little shit that is barely going to be an increase over natural test levels


Diet is definitely in check. You can see this in my food log in the diet section. Cardio is in check, I do somewhere between 2 and 4 miles of running daily.


I'd like to stay away from deca...unless it's just the shit like that. I'm not against running advanced compounds such as Tren(I really want to try it, just can't handle pinning every day). Just please with advanced compounds suggest the PCT I will need if it is different from the normal shit.


Thanks guys.

 

[sweed]

shit... where do I begin....
see above for Swole's post!
a shit load of AS is not a smart choice for a first cycle. you sounds young so lets start w/ those stats...

 

[OneBreath]

And i want evidence that you have given up the chocolate cupcakes!

JK

 

[jwo02]

Age, height, weight please

pictures wouldn't be bad either

we'll go from there, i'll make sure you get your info

btw what other compounds have you researched?

24, 5'10'', 174 pounds, in the picture below I'm somewhere between 165 and 169 I believe.


I'm thinking Test C for 12 weeks at 250MGs twice weekly. Like I said before I have heard nothing but good good things about Tren but my list just said "tren", didn't say a or e so I guess until I can find out I'm going to stay away from it.


As far as PCT goes I'm going to have EVERYTHING on hand. Arimidex, nolvadex, sustain alpha.


My number one goal for my first cycle is to melt fat. Don't get me wrong, size is wanted but will come later.


Thanks swole.

 

[SouthernLord]

5'10", 175, melt fat???

Not to shit in your hat bro.....but you have a long row to hoe before you should even consider gear. You need to seriously learn the fundamentals of proper nutrition and training before crossing over to the darkside. Do not turn to gear as a crutch to support your shitty dietary and training habits. You should be at least 25 heavier before use and this should be easy to accomplish with proper training and diet. Do you see a theme to my post... Diet and Training

 

[socalmuscle]

at 174lbs how much fat could you possibly have?

 

[sweed]

Agree with SL. how many years training consistantly do u have? Should be at least 5 years.
You would be able to grow off 250mgs ew at yr size.

 

[atown777]

damn, I was going to get in on this conversation but Jesus Christ I dont want to flame JW too hard. I thought I was reading the diet of one of the chicks from Melrose Place not someone that trains with weights. What the fuck? Where did you get that diet from? Cosmopolitan Magazine?

Dude, you got a lot of reading to do. you need to familarize yourself with the basics first. #1 being diet. # 2 being training and then you can spend countless hours upon hours reading about Gear and Side Effects, ancillaries and how to properly use them to counteract side effects. I just dont have the time to help someone who obviously hasnt taken the time to help themselves. I dont even know how many hours I have spent reading about training, diet, gear, ancilliaries. You obviously havent spent much time reading about anything except maybe Curious George and the man in the yellow hat.

try eating like this and training your ass off for 3 to 6 months. If you are still training at the end of that time period and havent begun eating cupcakes and watching 3 hours of TV a day while you should be in the gym then we can talk about Gear planning.

this is just a basic blueprint to give you an idea of how you should be eating. You need to adjust your portions based on whether you are cutting or bulking and how much you weigh and what your BMR is. The amounts below are designed for fat loss / cutting. When bulking I eat the same foods I just eat a lot more of them.


*645AM 2.5 scoops whey protein w/2scoops BCAA & L-Arginine, 1/2 cup raw oats, 1 banana all blended with water, 500 Calories
*9:30AM 1 grilled, boneless/skinless chicken breast or 4oz flank steak w/broccoli or piece of yam 375 calories
*12:30PM 1 large pouch of tuna 240 calories
*3PM pre-work out shake 2.5 scoops whey protein, 1 banana 375 Calories or instead of pre-workout shake I sometimes eat 4 oz flank steak or 1 grilled chicken breast with 1 piece of yam
*4:30PM gym- 4 days a week weight training followed by 30 to 45 minutes cardio.
*630PM post workout shake 2.5 scoops whey protein with 2 scoops BCAA & L-Arginine, 1 banana blended in water
*7PM Dinner - grilled Salmon, Ahi, Sea Bass or grilled chicken or grilled flank steak with broccoli 400 calories

 

[jwo02]

Three years consistent training. Gym 6 days a week(lazy weeks are 5 days a week). I know that when you see 5'10'' 174 pounds you're like damn that's tiny...but it's not like I'm some weak little shit or something who doesn't know how to lift. It's not like I'm some dumbfuck who can only bench his body weight and wants to start gear, my core lifts are all solid and I know my body and I know that it is time for me to take the next step. You guys are here to advise me how to best do that, not advise me not to.


Thanks.

 

[V-Machine]

'You guys are here to advise me how to best do that, not advise me not to.'

You have to be kidding me. If the best advice is to not do cycles then that is what people will say.

The advice you are getting is sound advice and the same as anybody in your position would get. Gear isn't for the ignorant......your lack of knowledge and some of the things you say unfortunately puts you in this category. Step away, read and learn....then you just might not f**k yourself up.

Three years consistent training. Gym 6 days a week(lazy weeks are 5 days a week). I know that when you see 5'10'' 174 pounds you're like damn that's tiny...but it's not like I'm some weak little shit or something who doesn't know how to lift. It's not like I'm some dumbfuck who can only bench his body weight and wants to start gear, my core lifts are all solid and I know my body and I know that it is time for me to take the next step. You guys are here to advise me how to best do that, not advise me not to.


Thanks.

 

[atown777]

LOL, you sound like a little kid who wants his "binky" back.

OK here you go bro, here is what you wanted. This is what I would do for my first cycle. I bet youre not gonna be satisfied either.

Weeks 1-4 D-bol 25mgs daily
Weeks 1-16 test Enthanate 500mgs week
Weeks 1-14 Deca 400mgs week

.5mg arimidex every other day

Nolvadex and HCG for Post Cycle Therapy

You will grow like a fucking weed provided you are eating enough which you obviously are not because I read the diet you posted.

 

[Trendsetter21]

Three years consistent training. Gym 6 days a week(lazy weeks are 5 days a week). I know that when you see 5'10'' 174 pounds you're like damn that's tiny...but it's not like I'm some weak little shit or something who doesn't know how to lift. It's not like I'm some dumbfuck who can only bench his body weight and wants to start gear, my core lifts are all solid and I know my body and I know that it is time for me to take the next step. You guys are here to advise me how to best do that, not advise me not to.


Thanks.

To be honest we know nothing about you really so we have to assume....This isn't to flame you but you have to understand how our thought process is working.

1. If you are 5'10 174lbs your diet isn't right

2. You are probably weaker than most people here, thats not to flame you but I don't see many 174lb strong guys (there are some but I just don't see it often)

3. You're core lifts are solid? Well what are they? Help us out.

4. We are here to advise you on the best thing to do, and the best thing is to advise you not to take steroids at this point since your diet and training aren't right. I looked at your "diet log" and also saw you skipped legs to do half-ass upper body workout. So you obviously aren't ready. You're diet isn't that good and skipping workouts is unthinkable to me. I've gone from 180lbs to 230lbs in the last few years naturally. Just by fixing the two things I was doing wrong, diet and training.

5. Everyone is willing to help you here, but if you don't listen don't bother asking for help.

 

[SouthernLord]

LOL, you sound like a little kid who wants his "binky" back.

OK here you go bro, here is what you wanted. This is what I would do for my first cycle. I bet youre not gonna be satisfied either.

Weeks 1-4 D-bol 25mgs daily
Weeks 1-16 test Enthanate 500mgs week
Weeks 1-14 Deca 400mgs week

.5mg arimidex every other day

Nolvadex and HCG for Post Cycle Therapy

You will grow like a fucking weed provided you are eating enough which you obviously are not because I read the diet you posted.

Yikes!!! That would be a good cycle....but a first cycle? I don't know bro. This shit can be debated all night long, but imo a gram of gear a week is a rather advanced first cycle.

 

[Trendsetter21]

Yikes!!! That would be a good cycle....but a first cycle? I don't know bro. This shit can be debated all night long, but imo a gram of gear a week is a rather advanced first cycle.

I agree, just do 250mg of test a week gain your 12-20lbs and lose it after you come off and ask us what to do again. Its much easier.

 

[Big_Joe]

I know that everybody needs some sweet taste every once and a while. So plan one day a week to have something sweet. Don't binge on the stuff but control yourself and have one cupcake only. The rest of the time eat very clean. Look at the cupcake as a reward for a good weeks work. If you didn't do your best in the gym forfeit the cupcake.

One of my favorite meals is cottage cheese with blue berries, with oatmeal and egg whites. I use frozen blue berries and heat them in a micro wave. Add the cottage cheese to it and heat it up again. Then cook the oatmeal. After the oatmeal is done add a couple of cups of egg whites. Cook this all together until the egg whites are cooked. Then mix it into the cottage cheese and add some splenda. This shit tastes like you are cheating but it is very good for you. Also eat a lot of fish and red meat. I tend to grind my meat and cook in a skillet. Add some pasta, a can of corn and some mushroom soup. For fish I like to steam it in a bamboo steamer. I put it on a plate with high sides. Put the plate with the cleaned fish on it( with a little ginger and green onions inside the fish) in the steamer. It only takes a couple of minutes to cook. Then take out the plate being careful to not lose any of the juice on the plate. Pour the juice over rice and put the fish on top of the rice. ( man my mouth is starting to water.)

And train you ass off in the gym. And if you really have to use some sort of roid start with a testosterone only cycle. 500mg per week is more then enough. But if you don't train hard on it you will just grow a set of tits from the conversion to estrogen. But personally I would rather you stayed off roids for a couple more decades. I didn't start until I was well into my forties. All roids will do for you is help you recover faster. So that means you have to train harder to get the muscles you want. And I bet you could get that right now by just eating right and training harder, and smarter.

 

[rnch]

be wary of who you say the thread title to around here!

 

[Bigpimpin10]

put the needle down and back away...


bro 250mg/weekly will get you solid gains for your first cycle... but you definetly need to research more.

 

[swole]

While I think jwo02 isn't exactly an expert, I do think a lot of us are being harsh with him. Let's keep this thread going in a positive direction - advise the guy, we all started somewhere and I'm sure all of you learned a shit ton a few cycles down the road that made you look like a total newb when you first started teh jewz...myself included.

We are fortunate people post their plans to cycle and ALLOW us to help as opposed to having them go off in the real world and making a fool of themselves...all the while jeopardizing their health.

Take inexperience on EF as a blessing - we have the ability to make the bodybuilding community tighter by helping one person at at time.

 

[Bigpimpin10]

good post swole...

 

[jwo02]

There was some good information as well as some bad information from arrogant know it all dumbfucks in this thread.


Thanks for the good information. As for the dumbfucks, thanks for encouraging me to find another board to ask about future cycles on, because it wont be this one.


EF is a great place until people find out you're just starting. Literally EVERY thread I have ever read here about a first cycle has had several people saying "you're not ready". If you're going to say that then just go ahead and shut the fuck up because we know when we need gear and when we don't. Everyone's goals aren't the same. My goal right now is to shed body fat and in order to that I have to be in a caloric deficit, but I don't want to sacrifice my muscle, so what do you do? You introduce AAS to preserve lean body mass. 100% what it is meant for.


Heaven fucking forbid I skipped legs one day and half assed an upper body workout because I knew I'd be hitting the same muscle group harder the next day. Don't act like you've never cheated your diet or skipped on a workout. You are one pathetic fuck.

 

[lookinfit75]

While I think jwo02 isn't exactly an expert, I do think a lot of us are being harsh with him. Let's keep this thread going in a positive direction - advise the guy, we all started somewhere and I'm sure all of you learned a shit ton a few cycles down the road that made you look like a total newb when you first started teh jewz...myself included.

We are fortunate people post their plans to cycle and ALLOW us to help as opposed to having them go off in the real world and making a fool of themselves...all the while jeopardizing their health.

Take inexperience on EF as a blessing - we have the ability to make the bodybuilding community tighter by helping one person at at time.

+1000!
We all have to start somewhere so the best thing to do is advise this cat as best we can. So far advice is solid.

No one has mentioned the fact that his Pops is the one who is going to be the hook up. Kinda odd (I had a friend growing up who who's pop would let him drink at home when we were still way under age, now's he's an alcoholic just like his dad) but if you're dad is hooking you up, maybe you should be asking him about cycle advice as well because I imagine that he wouldn't be hooking you up with shit he doesn't know about or that he wouldn't have at least dabbled himself, right?

 

[socalmuscle]

i still think at 175lbs you dont need to lose BF at your hieght... bad idea... let your body mature and add some more mass...

always a good first cycle is the trusty DBOL...

 

[V-Machine]

Wow somebody can't handle the truth. Your first post was the problem. You said you wanted to go big in doses, lose fat, gain lbm, massive veins......so your goals weren't as simple as you are stating now.There are so holes in what you are saying its ridiculous.

I've no doubt you will do a cycle. Hope it works out for the best and that you do enough research to know how to recover.

There was some good information as well as some bad information from arrogant know it all dumbfucks in this thread.


Thanks for the good information. As for the dumbfucks, thanks for encouraging me to find another board to ask about future cycles on, because it wont be this one.


EF is a great place until people find out you're just starting. Literally EVERY thread I have ever read here about a first cycle has had several people saying "you're not ready". If you're going to say that then just go ahead and shut the fuck up because we know when we need gear and when we don't. Everyone's goals aren't the same. My goal right now is to shed body fat and in order to that I have to be in a caloric deficit, but I don't want to sacrifice my muscle, so what do you do? You introduce AAS to preserve lean body mass. 100% what it is meant for.


Heaven fucking forbid I skipped legs one day and half assed an upper body workout because I knew I'd be hitting the same muscle group harder the next day. Don't act like you've never cheated your diet or skipped on a workout. You are one pathetic fuck.

 

[Trendsetter21]

There was some good information as well as some bad information from arrogant know it all dumbfucks in this thread.


Thanks for the good information. As for the dumbfucks, thanks for encouraging me to find another board to ask about future cycles on, because it wont be this one.


EF is a great place until people find out you're just starting. Literally EVERY thread I have ever read here about a first cycle has had several people saying "you're not ready". If you're going to say that then just go ahead and shut the fuck up because we know when we need gear and when we don't. Everyone's goals aren't the same. My goal right now is to shed body fat and in order to that I have to be in a caloric deficit, but I don't want to sacrifice my muscle, so what do you do? You introduce AAS to preserve lean body mass. 100% what it is meant for.


Heaven fucking forbid I skipped legs one day and half assed an upper body workout because I knew I'd be hitting the same muscle group harder the next day. Don't act like you've never cheated your diet or skipped on a workout. You are one pathetic fuck.

I have a different mind set than you, probably different than 98% of the people on here. I have never skipped a workout, or half-assed it in the past 3 years. I don't even take anything yet but I know my two problems in the past were diet and training. When I get focused on something I don't deviate or let anything get in my way. If you need to take a day off for your body to recover that is not skipping a workout, you have to listen to your body. But what is the point of doing a half ass workout? There is none. There was no name calling toward you from me at all, and mostly your attitude is your problem. Instead of taking the real good advice you are getting you want to do it the wrong way which isn't going to benefit you at all, maybe for the 2 months you are on but after that you'll be back to 176lbs if you don't fix DIET AND TRAINING FIRST.

Like I said, I've seen tons of know it alls, don't tell me guys take steroids in my gym and not even come close to what I lift or my size. Then 2 months after they are off the sauce they look pathetic and are back to being weak. It makes no sense to do this to your body, If you fix diet and training you never have to worry about that. But what do I know? I just naturally gained 40lbs in the last 3 years with hard work and dedication.

If you didn't want actually solid and correct advice (which is not to use yet and try to grow more naturally first) then you should go to another board that will give you poor advice and tell you the things you want to hear. Unlike that board we don't want to see you fail. But just from reading your posts its clear you are going to do what you want so whats the point in trying to talk some sense into you. If you can't grow off of 250mg of test a week only for your first cycle then you never have to worry about taking steroids. Cuz they won't work for you. I believe I read somewhere that 250mg's a week is 9x the amount a normal male produces. Plenty enough for a 180lb person to grow.

 

[dabuffguy]

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Help me plan my first cycle please.


Goals:
Drop body fat, increase LBM
Huge vascularity


Conditions:
I don't want to pin EVERY day as this is my first cycle
I'd like to keep it shortish, around 8 weeks
I want to GO BIG with the dosing, don't start me off with some little shit that is barely going to be an increase over natural test levels


Diet is definitely in check. You can see this in my food log in the diet section. Cardio is in check, I do somewhere between 2 and 4 miles of running daily.


I'd like to stay away from deca...unless it's just the shit like that. I'm not against running advanced compounds such as Tren(I really want to try it, just can't handle pinning every day). Just please with advanced compounds suggest the PCT I will need if it is different from the normal shit.


Thanks guys.

^^^

No, it most certainly is not.

 

[dabuffguy]

I have a different mind set than you, probably different than 98% of the people on here. I have never skipped a workout, or half-assed it in the past 3 years. I don't even take anything yet but I know my two problems in the past were diet and training. When I get focused on something I don't deviate or let anything get in my way. If you need to take a day off for your body to recover that is not skipping a workout, you have to listen to your body. But what is the point of doing a half ass workout? There is none. There was no name calling toward you from me at all, and mostly your attitude is your problem. Instead of taking the real good advice you are getting you want to do it the wrong way which isn't going to benefit you at all, maybe for the 2 months you are on but after that you'll be back to 176lbs if you don't fix DIET AND TRAINING FIRST.

Like I said, I've seen tons of know it alls, don't tell me guys take steroids in my gym and not even come close to what I lift or my size. Then 2 months after they are off the sauce they look pathetic and are back to being weak. It makes no sense to do this to your body, If you fix diet and training you never have to worry about that. But what do I know? I just naturally gained 40lbs in the last 3 years with hard work and dedication.

If you didn't want actually solid and correct advice (which is not to use yet and try to grow more naturally first) then you should go to another board that will give you poor advice and tell you the things you want to hear. Unlike that board we don't want to see you fail. But just from reading your posts its clear you are going to do what you want so whats the point in trying to talk some sense into you. If you can't grow off of 250mg of test a week only for your first cycle then you never have to worry about taking steroids. Cuz they won't work for you. I believe I read somewhere that 250mg's a week is 9x the amount a normal male produces. Plenty enough for a 180lb person to grow.

I do NOT miss meals, I do NOT miss work outs, and I DO NOT half ass anything in the gym ever or at the dinner table EVER. I've gained almost 50 pounds in 1 year. And I am 12-13% BF, not 20%+. Yeah, i took the juice, but I continue to gain strength and mass while i'm off and going through PCT. Last time JWO was on some cyclotren or something he lost his weight right after because he doesn't eat anything.



JWO02, I analyzed your diets for calories twice in your diet log. You ate 1400 calories yesterday.

I've given you a lot of contructive criticism, and I hope I never came across as being a dick to you, because that has not been my intention at all. Frankly, you need help with your diet. And, I've told you what you need to do, but you don't listen. Others have told you what you should do, but you still ignore them and keep eating 1500-2000 calories a day and are baffled at why you aren't getting big. You have this notion that eating 2 pieces of bread and a couple eggs for breakfast, and snacking on apple slices and peanut between meals is what you need to do to get. ITS NOT.

 

[socalmuscle]

I do NOT miss meals, I do NOT miss work outs, and I DO NOT half ass anything in the gym ever or at the dinner table EVER. I've gained almost 50 pounds in 1 year. And I am 12-13% BF, not 20%+. Yeah, i took the juice, but I continue to gain strength and mass while i'm off and going through PCT. Last time JWO was on some cyclotren or something he lost his weight right after because he doesn't eat anything.



JWO02, I analyzed your diets for calories twice in your diet log. You ate 1400 calories yesterday.

I've given you a lot of contructive criticism, and I hope I never came across as being a dick to you, because that has not been my intention at all. Frankly, you need help with your diet. And, I've told you what you need to do, but you don't listen. Others have told you what you should do, but you still ignore them and keep eating 1500-2000 calories a day and are baffled at why you aren't getting big. You have this notion that eating 2 pieces of bread and a couple eggs for breakfast, and snacking on apple slices and peanut between meals is what you need to do to get. ITS NOT.

+1 kudos bro, in this sport personally i believe diet is 90% of the game, without that... your just spinning your wheels!

 

[jwo02]

I have never expressed any confusion as to why I am not gaining size...I KNOW I AM IN A CALORIE DEFICIT. For the last fucking time SIZE IS NOT MY CONCERN. DEFINITION IS.


Just because my goal isn't your goal doesn't make it wrong. When I get the look I want I can then adjust my calories so that my body can support more muscle mass.


For those who care, cycle will roughly be:


Week Compound Dose
1-4 Anavar 50 MGs/day
1-15 Test C 250 MGs twice/week
1-15 Adex .5 MGs/day
11-15 2a, 17a di methyl etiocholan 3-one, 17b-ol 60 MGs/day

 

[V-Machine]

Unfortunately it is your original post that caused any confusion over your goals.

I quote: 'Goals:
Drop body fat, increase LBM
Huge vascularity'

You say yourself that you want to gain LBM whilst dropping fat. So 1400 calories would definitely be wrong for you. You also say:

'Conditions:
I don't want to pin EVERY day as this is my first cycle
I'd like to keep it shortish, around 8 weeks
I want to GO BIG with the dosing, don't start me off with some little shit that is barely going to be an increase over natural test levels'

Wanting to 'go big' and avoid 'little shit' will tend to provoke a negative reaction on most sites including this one.

Also:

'I'd like to stay away from deca...unless it's just the shit like that. I'm not against running advanced compounds such as Tren(I really want to try it, just can't handle pinning every day). Just please with advanced compounds suggest the PCT I will need if it is different from the normal shit.'

Wanting somebody to sort your PCT out whilst you 'go big' will get a poor reaction for lots of reasons including being lazy.

Anyway, your goals seem to have changed since post one. Hence the confusion and nature of the responses. By the way, I thought you were going elsewhere to a site where they would help you?

I have never expressed any confusion as to why I am not gaining size...I KNOW I AM IN A CALORIE DEFICIT. For the last fucking time SIZE IS NOT MY CONCERN. DEFINITION IS.


Just because my goal isn't your goal doesn't make it wrong. When I get the look I want I can then adjust my calories so that my body can support more muscle mass.


For those who care, cycle will roughly be:


Week Compound Dose
1-4 Anavar 50 MGs/day
1-15 Test C 250 MGs twice/week
1-15 Adex .5 MGs/day
11-15 2a, 17a di methyl etiocholan 3-one, 17b-ol 60 MGs/day

 

[OneBreath]

be wary of who you say the thread title to around here!

LOL, this thread needs a laugh. I feel responsible for starting the thread off on a bad note. I just wanted to help you with your diet first. We want you to succeed and without the diet in check you will be disappointed. Trust me, i've been there myself.

Here's what i would do, don't run deca on your first cycle. Stick with test and a DHT like the anavar you have listed.

1-12 Test c or e 500mg once per week (splitting into 2 doses won't make much of a difference at just 500mg)
7-13 Anavar 50mg per day

Then 4 weeks PCT with PP test recovery stack, UNLEASHED, POST CYCLE, and maybe a little nolva.

Now for the adex, start it at .5 per day only if you start to feel a bit bloated. You shouldn't even possibly feel this way until week 3 or 4.

 

[jwo02]

Gracias gracis gracias. That's the kind of post I was looking for, but why 12 weeks instead of 15?


Vials I'm getting are 250 MG/ML at 10ML/vial, so at 500MGs/week three vials will do me for 15 weeks. Is there any significant reason to cut the last three weeks out?


I'll be running HCG 250 IUs/week for two weeks at the end of the cycle, too, is that good?

 

[sweed]

For the record I am cutting. I am not on AS. I am losing a ton of fat and retaining (actually increasing lbm) muscle doing this. it can be done. Cut first by not eating so damn low in cals that you do start burning muscle or energy and doing tons of cardio.
There are a few bro's in here that are in the same boat (or training program) as me and will tell you the same thing. diet is soo important with an equal focus to training.
btw no more being hostel and calling everyone "fucking pathetic". We are helping you, so please be respectful.

 

[OneBreath]

Gracias gracis gracias. That's the kind of post I was looking for, but why 12 weeks instead of 15?


Vials I'm getting are 250 MG/ML at 10ML/vial, so at 500MGs/week three vials will do me for 15 weeks. Is there any significant reason to cut the last three weeks out?


I'll be running HCG 250 IUs/week for two weeks at the end of the cycle, too, is that good?

You can go 15. 12 or sometimes even 10 is recommended for a first. Running HCG is a smart thing and makes recovery much smoother. I have learned from the good bros here though to run it throughout the cycle instead of at the end.

 

[dabuffguy]

I have never expressed any confusion as to why I am not gaining size...I KNOW I AM IN A CALORIE DEFICIT. For the last fucking time SIZE IS NOT MY CONCERN. DEFINITION IS.


Just because my goal isn't your goal doesn't make it wrong. When I get the look I want I can then adjust my calories so that my body can support more muscle mass.


For those who care, cycle will roughly be:


Week Compound Dose
1-4 Anavar 50 MGs/day
1-15 Test C 250 MGs twice/week
1-15 Adex .5 MGs/day
11-15 2a, 17a di methyl etiocholan 3-one, 17b-ol 60 MGs/day

In your other thread, you put your goals as "GET FUCKING JACKED/RIPPED" like 2 days ago.

So, you did say you wanted to get big. That's what "jacked" means.


Maybe you were'nt confused, but you confused me pretty well.




Drop the attitude as well. You have given mixed info, and the frustration you created own your own merit does not need to be expressed on the boards. Don't "F" bomb people.

 

[joe d]

Three years consistent training. Gym 6 days a week(lazy weeks are 5 days a week). I know that when you see 5'10'' 174 pounds you're like damn that's tiny...but it's not like I'm some weak little shit or something who doesn't know how to lift. It's not like I'm some dumbfuck who can only bench his body weight and wants to start gear, my core lifts are all solid and I know my body and I know that it is time for me to take the next step. You guys are here to advise me how to best do that, not advise me not to.


Thanks.

the next step for you is to go on a bulking diet. 4000+ cals 300+ grams protein 600+ grams carbs 50+ grams fat every day. change the routine to 6 days of training will be to much when you start to grow imo. 3 or 4 days is good. if you jump on gear with that diet you will not make any progress. make the diet adjustments first play around with it for a while to get yourself growing good. then look into testosterone.

 

[sweed]

ya no more f bombs or dabuffguy WILL eat your soul.

 

[dabuffguy]

ya no more f bombs or dabuffguy WILL eat your soul.

I will consume your soul into the black death of eternal damnation and suffering. AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!









lolololol, I'm such a clown.

 

[jwo02]

You can go 15. 12 or sometimes even 10 is recommended for a first. Running HCG is a smart thing and makes recovery much smoother. I have learned from the good bros here though to run it throughout the cycle instead of at the end.

How much HCG throughout? Still 250 IUs/week? If I run it throughout will I need to run it any after the cycle?


Thanks man.

 

[OneBreath]

How much HCG throughout? Still 250 IUs/week? If I run it throughout will I need to run it any after the cycle?


Thanks man.

500 per week split into 2 doses starting at week 3 and ending on week 15 (if thats how long you will go). I will do this for my next cycle. Essentially running a small amount throughout the cycle is better than running a large amount after the cycle. My last cycle i ran 3000/week for 3 weeks at the end. I have recovered fine, but the general consensus here is to run the small amount during the cycle for best recovery.

 

[joe d]

your aproach is ass backwards. you are well within your natural limits. what are steroids for? they are to extend your limits. that is it. to use them now would be pointless your goal can be reached through knowlege on diet, training, and recovery. to try to lose the little bit of fat you have first is a waist of time and counter productive. the way to reach your stated goals is to bulk until you reach the level of mass you want then cut. that diet will do neither. your cardio you posted will eat your muscle away to. it is way to much. adding aas at this point is prolonging you reaching your goals. it is just another thing you are going to try and fail at because of your lack of knowlege. once you see this for yourself you will understand that i am just trying to help you out and hopefully you will then understand where your priorities need to be. good luck to you man.

 

[socalmuscle]

your aproach is ass backwards. you are well within your natural limits. what are steroids for? they are to extend your limits. that is it. to use them now would be pointless your goal can be reached through knowlege on diet, training, and recovery. to try to lose the little bit of fat you have first is a waist of time and counter productive. the way to reach your stated goals is to bulk until you reach the level of mass you want then cut. that diet will do neither. your cardio you posted will eat your muscle away to. it is way to much. adding aas at this point is prolonging you reaching your goals. it is just another thing you are going to try and fail at because of your lack of knowlege. once you see this for yourself you will understand that i am just trying to help you out and hopefully you will then understand where your priorities need to be. good luck to you man.

+1 great post JOE D

jwo02 I hope you read this and take it to heart. Everyone here on EF is your friend, we are all trying to help you succeed in reaching you goals as a bodybuilder. I would listen to what they have to say, experience in the sport is worth the price of gold.

Take some time and really reflect before you decide to just jump on some aas.

-socal

 

[galaxy]

Vascularity comes through time, low body fat and heavy lifting. Not much you can do for that in one cycle.

 

[dabuffguy]

Vascularity comes through time, low body fat and heavy lifting. Not much you can do for that in one cycle.

oddly enough, I have found that once I go off cycle and my body catches up to the strength and mass that was so crazily put on in so short of time, my vasculairty improves greatly.

 

[needtogetaas]

*********************

Help me plan my first cycle please.


Goals:
Drop body fat, increase LBM
Huge vascularity


Conditions:
I don't want to pin EVERY day as this is my first cycle
I'd like to keep it shortish, around 8 weeks
I want to GO BIG with the dosing, don't start me off with some little shit that is barely going to be an increase over natural test levels


Diet is definitely in check. You can see this in my food log in the diet section. Cardio is in check, I do somewhere between 2 and 4 miles of running daily.


I'd like to stay away from deca...unless it's just the shit like that. I'm not against running advanced compounds such as Tren(I really want to try it, just can't handle pinning every day). Just please with advanced compounds suggest the PCT I will need if it is different from the normal shit.


Thanks guys.

Bro this has to be one of the best thread titles ever.

 

[dabuffguy]

Bro this has to be one of the best thread titles ever.

What, "Pop my butt cherry"?


Doesn't that belong in the "Between the sheets" section under "Pictures of Men". hahhahaha

 

[Bigpimpin10]

what, "pop my butt cherry"?


Doesn't that belong in the "between the sheets" section under "pictures of men". Hahhahaha

lol

 

[galaxy]

oddly enough, I have found that once I go off cycle and my body catches up to the strength and mass that was so crazily put on in so short of time, my vasculairty improves greatly.

The bloat is gone and your leaner more than likely.

 

[rnch]

Bro this has to be one of the best thread titles ever.

as i indicated in post #23