Is HMB worth my time adding to my current list?

[Bulk32]

im 26, 210 lbs and here is what i am taking....
M5 by cellucor pre workout
Nitron 5 by eas pre workout
Muscle armor by eas in morning and b4 bed
phosphogen before bed
glutamine post workout

im trying to get to 230 over the next year before trying the legal steroids im reading about on this board. two months ago i started around 195 lbs. i used to do aas for a few years, a lot of winny and test prop. cause i ran track in college. just trying to add some quality bulk now. been lifting hard 4 days a week and eating 4000-5000 cals a day.

What i was wondering is if anyone had any experience with HMB before i go out and buy some. is it worth the price and does it have any affect on anything at all from your experiences? i looked on this board and couldn't find any HMB posts. thanx

 

[ALIN]

im 26, 210 lbs and here is what i am taking....
M5 by cellucor pre workout
Nitron 5 by eas pre workout
Muscle armor by eas in morning and b4 bed
phosphogen before bed
glutamine post workout

im trying to get to 230 over the next year before trying the legal steroids im reading about on this board. two months ago i started around 195 lbs. i used to do aas for a few years, a lot of winny and test prop. cause i ran track in college. just trying to add some quality bulk now. been lifting hard 4 days a week and eating 4000-5000 cals a day.

What i was wondering is if anyone had any experience with HMB before i go out and buy some. is it worth the price and does it have any affect on anything at all from your experiences? i looked on this board and couldn't find any HMB posts. thanx

I tried it yrs ago and wasnt impressed (EAS)
I was told later that for best results I should
almost double the suggested dose. At the time is was VERY expensive
and not worth it.

 

[Bulk32]

im going to run it at 5000mg a day. ya its around $30 a bottle now, i remember when that stuff was new it was usually like t twice that.

 

[the_alcatraz]

I did EAS HMB as well. Didn't do much for me. I tried EAS ZMA and thought it gave better results though.

 

[DBee]

The effects of HMB will require very high dosages - a better/cheaper option would be buying bulk leucine and taking 5-10grams in the morning and before you workout. Personally, I wouldn't take either if I were bulking... there is no need... maybe if I were cutting and trying to perserve muscle.

Let's examine your current stack:

phosphogen - creatine
M5 - mostly creatine plus nootropics
nitron - arginine formula
Muscle armor - creatine, glutamine, arginine

your stack is basically comprised of all creatine products, if I were you I'd stick with the following:

Multi-Vitamin w/ a good B-complex - morning to cover micronutritional needs (NOW Vit-Min 100)
Fishoil - so many benefits from fishoil, google them (NOW Super EPA)
Protein - Whey/Casein mix morning pre/post workout and before bed.
* optional* Vitamin C - 2-4grams a day for cortisol control (NOW C-1000)
Creatine - only 5-10grams a day(I stick with 5 grams taken only on workout days)

^^^ after you have the basics met now you can start thinking about adding additional products:

Beta alanine(great synergy with creatine): peak beta, bulk beta alanine
Natural Test Boosters: stoked, activate xtreme, t-bol
Non Hormonal Anabolics (can be stacked with test boosters): xfactor

 

[gjohnson5]

IMHO HMB and BCAA's area waste of money
Good preworkout nutrition should eliminate the need for either

 

[the_alcatraz]

IMHO HMB and BCAA's area waste of money
Good preworkout nutrition should eliminate the need for either

I've had great results using bcas, better than regular aminos...I've even replaced my protein powder at times with bcaas and still felt good about it.

 

[DBee]

IMHO HMB and BCAA's area waste of money
Good preworkout nutrition should eliminate the need for either

I agree, good pre-workout nutrition and a solid diet in general will cover your needs.

 

[the_alcatraz]

I agree, good pre-workout nutrition and a solid diet in general will cover your needs.

i disagree.

post-workout nutrition is just as important as pre-workout and NOT to be underestimated.

 

[Bulk32]

thanks for the advice im going to consider that, ive never heard of that Beta stuff. i'll probably def try it with my creatine. im going to try to eat and lift my way ten more lbs b4 i throw in test boosters of any kind, thanx for the product advice im researching all the new products right now, i want to take whatever gives me the most mass. i usually take myoplex protien dulux as well, and eat steak and potatos every day with 5000 good cals.

the thing i like about the HMB concept is that it works off the Mtor pathway in your body and actually i just read that my muscle armor has a little HMB in it, im going to buy some and give it a few months at 5000mg ed to see if its beneficial or not. i'll update ya guys.

 

[gjohnson5]

i disagree.

post-workout nutrition is just as important as pre-workout and NOT to be underestimated.

The topic of this discussion is HMB worth it
HMB is used in a pre-workout setting (or during workouts) to stop catabolism of muscle during workouts. There is a ton of evidence that HMB does next to nothing

The same is true for BCAA. There is no evidence that 5g of leucine, isoleucine, and valine will help stop muscle catabolism during workouts.

What is needed is a good protein which will send amino acids into the blood slowly. This is why good pre-workout nutrition is needed. And yes it starts with a good post workour

 

[the_alcatraz]

The topic of this discussion is HMB worth it
HMB is used in a pre-workout setting (or during workouts) to stop catabolism of muscle during workouts. There is a ton of evidence that HMB does next to nothing

The same is true for BCAA. There is no evidence that 5g of leucine, isoleucine, and valine will help stop muscle catabolism during workouts.

What is needed is a good protein which will send amino acids into the blood slowly. This is why good pre-workout nutrition is needed. And yes it starts with a good post workour

If you would see my post above, I already said HMB did nothing to me.

BCAAs did however. I think they did help me NOT overtrain.

 

[DBee]

i disagree.

post-workout nutrition is just as important as pre-workout and NOT to be underestimated.

That's what i meant by solid diet in general; optimal pre/post workout nutrition is a given.

Heres a pretty good guideline for the op. TBW = Target Body Weight.

60-90 minutes preworkout, have a solid, balanced meal:

Protein = 0.25g/lb TBW
Carbs = 0.25g/lb TBW
Adding fat at this point is fine, use your discretion as long as it fits into your macro goals. Note that this meal is skipped if you train 1st thing in the morning.

[OR]

30-0 minutes preworkout - (and/or sipped throughout the workout), have a liquid or easily digested meal:

Protein = 0.25g/lb TBW
Carbs = 0.25g/lb TBW
If you were going to train for close to or more than 2 hours continuously, it would definitely benefit you to have this extra preworkout meal either immediately prior to, or sipped during training. Keep the fats here incidental, not added.

Sooner the better postworkout - within 30 minutes, but optimally ASAP, have either a liquid or solid meal:

Protein = 0.25g/lb TBW
Carbs = 0.5g/lb TBW
Fats here should be kept minimal to moderate.
I personally start on this shake 60 minutes into my weight workouts, which take 80-90 minutes.

Post-postworkout is simply your next sheduled meal, whether it's 1, 2, or 3 hrs later simply doesn't matter - especially if your immediate postworkout meal (which may be split up into 2 halves) was designed as above.

I no longer give a damn about GI, it doesn't really make a difference one way or another. If you want high GI carbs pre and/or during training, go for it. As time has passed, GI has proven itself to be a worthless, irrelevant index. Insulinogenesis is a separate issue, and striving to keep insulin up during & postworkout is a great idea. This is accomplished by both food type & food amount, the latter being more important. There's obviously a lot more to this, but that's the important basics. The rest is fringe.

 

[Invega]

I remember using HMB when it first came out over 10 years ago. I used it with DHEA (early 20's). I remember having good gains. But will say it could have been a good placebo effect. These days I can't justify the price.

 

[itz486]

HMB by itself does nothing, combined with creatine seems to help, too expensive, it seems to work on cattle though,JMO