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Phyto-Testosterone - a legal plant based anabolic

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As a sponsor of Elite Fitness we wanted to introduce this Phyto-Testosterone to the Elite supplement forum.

For those of you who haven’t yet heard, Phyto-Testosterone is a legal, orally active, plant based testosterone mimicker & potentiator. That’s right, this scientifically proven combination of natural ingredients has been proven to be just as anabolic as real testosterone. Phyto-Testosterone is designed to make your muscle harder, stronger and fuller by increasing protein retention in the muscles. Because of the increased protein retention, users often report a massive boost in appetite for their increased protein requirements.

To learn more about Phyto-Testoterone, visit here –
http://www.primordialperformance.com/phyto.cfm

Please feel free to openly post your questions here in this thread.

-Pp
 
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In a thread in late December, you mentioned to look out for a special for EF members. I might have missed the thread, but did you come up with one? Also, from the feedback you're hearing, what is making a better stack, Phyto/Alpha-Sustain or Phyto/Dermacrine?
 
slamminshaun said:
In a thread in late December, you mentioned to look out for a special for EF members. I might have missed the thread, but did you come up with one? Also, from the feedback you're hearing, what is making a better stack, Phyto/Alpha-Sustain or Phyto/Dermacrine?
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Phyto-Test/ Dermacrine would be the strongest stack, but Sustain alpha would be a great alternative to those who don’t want to use the pro-hormones found in Dermacrine. (DHEA, pregnenolone)

We havnt thrown out any door buster deals yet since we can hardly keep the product in stock right now. We just sold out of our first batch, and won’t be able to ship out again until Friday (the 18th)

-Pp
 
I did go over the website and have some questions:

What exactly is : Dermacrine Sustain

I thought Phyto was to be stacked with Dermarcine, then what is Dermacrine Sustain ?

Why is it necessary to stack Dermarcine with Dermacrine Sustain ?

Source: http://www.primordialperformance.com/derm_how_to_use.cfm

"Dermacrine may be immediately followed by the use of Dermacrine Sustain" as mentioned on the website.

Also - what does this mean ?????

"Apply product in the morning at least 8hr before bedtime to avoid insomnia."

8 hours before bedtime I can understand, but "in the morning 8 hours before bedtime" LOL sorry if I missed something but that sounds funny, is it a typo of sorts ?

Thanks.
 
r0han said:
I did go over the website and have some questions:

What exactly is : Dermacrine Sustain

I thought Phyto was to be stacked with Dermarcine, then what is Dermacrine Sustain ?

Why is it necessary to stack Dermarcine with Dermacrine Sustain ?

Source: http://www.primordialperformance.com/derm_how_to_use.cfm

"Dermacrine may be immediately followed by the use of Dermacrine Sustain" as mentioned on the website.

Also - what does this mean ?????

"Apply product in the morning at least 8hr before bedtime to avoid insomnia."

8 hours before bedtime I can understand, but "in the morning 8 hours before bedtime" LOL sorry if I missed something but that sounds funny, is it a typo of sorts ?

Thanks.
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Oh yes, “Dermacrine Sustain” should actually say “Sustain Alpha”.

Dermacrine Sustain was recently replaced with Sustain Alpha. The new Sustain Alpha has the same function as the Dermacrine Sustain, only better.

So, you use Dermacrine, then cycle onto Sustain Alpha to get your natural Testosterone pumping again, and to avoid shutdown from Dermacrine (which contains pro-hormones). It’s a good way to keep your T level optimal, but not totally necessary. Guys use Dermacrine, and then just drop it and they are fine.

BTW, both typos are now fixed on the website.

-Pp
 
So Phyto is best at 8 week intervals?...If running it at the same time as Sustain/Alpha, how long do you need to continue use of Alpha for PCT? OR is PCT not needed?...I am cutting up for basketball right now but in about 12 weeks Ill probably be looking to put back on some LBM that I might lose during this cut.

-Legacy
 
Primordial Performance said:
Oh yes, “Dermacrine Sustain” should actually say “Sustain Alpha”.

Dermacrine Sustain was recently replaced with Sustain Alpha. The new Sustain Alpha has the same function as the Dermacrine Sustain, only better.

So, you use Dermacrine, then cycle onto Sustain Alpha to get your natural Testosterone pumping again, and to avoid shutdown from Dermacrine (which contains pro-hormones). It’s a good way to keep your T level optimal, but not totally necessary. Guys use Dermacrine, and then just drop it and they are fine.

BTW, both typos are now fixed on the website.

-Pp
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Okay, here's my quuestion...I just started Dermacrine Sustain this week (I had ordered it several months ago before it was changed to Sustain Alpha), and I just placed an order for your Phyto-Testosterone and Dermacrine as well. After I finished my 30-day cycle of Dermacrine Sustain, I was planning on stacking the Phyto-Test with the Dermacrine. Would this be a bad idea since I'll just be coming off of a cycle of the old Dermacrine Sustain?
 
DJLegacy2k1 said:
So Phyto is best at 8 week intervals?...If running it at the same time as Sustain/Alpha, how long do you need to continue use of Alpha for PCT - post cycle therapy - ? OR is PCT not needed?...I am cutting up for basketball right now but in about 12 weeks Ill probably be looking to put back on some LBM that I might lose during this cut.

-Legacy
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Yeah, Phyto should be ran for a minimum of 4 weeks, preferably 8 weeks.

It can be stacked with Dermacrine or Sustain, and yes, you can do 4 weeks Dermacrine, then 4 weeks Sustain.


Poweredup,

That sounds like a great idea bro.

Remember, the Sustain has never been a “suppressive” formula. It only stimulates the body to produce more testosterone when your using it, and doesn’t make your body dependant on it. So no worries, you don’t need any kind of break or PCT after the Sustain.

-Pp
 
Primordial Performance said:
Yeah, Phyto should be ran for a minimum of 4 weeks, preferably 8 weeks.

It can be stacked with Dermacrine or Sustain, and yes, you can do 4 weeks Dermacrine, then 4 weeks Sustain.


Poweredup,

That sounds like a great idea bro.

Remember, the Sustain has never been a “suppressive” formula. It only stimulates the body to produce more testosterone when your using it, and doesn’t make your body dependant on it. So no worries, you don’t need any kind of break or PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - after the Sustain.

-Pp
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Time to give Phyto stacked with Dermarcine a try, do you ship international ? via Fedex?

Also the website is full of technical glitches! like this one:

The web site you are accessing has experienced an unexpected error.
Please contact the website administrator.


Makes ordering so much more difficult.
 
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^^^They know about the website, they had some issues with their designers I think. They are getting it back on track though :-)

-Legacy
 
r0han said:
Time to give Phyto stacked with Dermarcine a try, do you ship international ? via Fedex?

Also the website is full of technical glitches! like this one:

The web site you are accessing has experienced an unexpected error.
Please contact the website administrator.


Makes ordering so much more difficult.
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We do ship to all different countries, but we do have issues like that with countries that are not established on our web server. Shoot me an email with your address and we will get it set up for you.

info @ primordialperformance.com

We do Fedex, but USPS is much more economical.

-Pp
 
Primordial Performance said:
We do ship to all different countries, but we do have issues like that with countries that are not established on our web server. Shoot me an email with your address and we will get it set up for you.

info @ primordialperformance.com

We do Fedex, but USPS is much more economical.

-Pp
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Got your mail, thanks a lot.

USPS is economical yes, but the items never reach LOL!

Fedex is better.
 
DJLegacy2k1 said:
You are a very picky person, yes? lol :-)

-Legacy
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After being robbed on numerous occasions via the customs, you tend to be careful! I don't want the pricks to get hold of my merchandise for which I've paid.
 
Primordial guys are charging me close to $100 USD in shipping!!!!

LOL, get real guys, people are not idiots, that 2 small cans of phyto and dermacrine that hardly weigh 4 lbs in total costing that much.

LOL! The fedex representative was laughing and wanted to know the genius who's asking for 100 bucks USD to ship them to India!
 
I take it you have not done a lot of international ordering before. I just ordered basically the same thing you mentioned, and am paying $40 to get it a couple states north, to Canada. Keep in mind, you are likely paying for priority shipping. I've ordered everything form supps to car parts internationally, along with shipping things as well. It ain't cheap, shit goes by weight. Just to send my money order to PP, which is virtually weightless, I pay nearly $15. Does seem steep at first, but trust me, the product is worth every dollar you pay in shipping. It's just the way she goes my brotha. The way she fucking goes...
 
RearNaked said:
I take it you have not done a lot of international ordering before. I just ordered basically the same thing you mentioned, and am paying $40 to get it a couple states north, to Canada. Keep in mind, you are likely paying for priority shipping. I've ordered everything form supps to car parts internationally, along with shipping things as well. It ain't cheap, shit goes by weight. Just to send my money order to PP, which is virtually weightless, I pay nearly $15. Does seem steep at first, but trust me, the product is worth every dollar you pay in shipping. It's just the way she goes my brotha. The way she fucking goes...
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I keep ordering international, its nothing new to me, and I've paid for Int'nal economy via BB.com to almost 20 pounds and still they gave me a quote of $84.

I know it goes on weight(why do you think I mentioned it in my earlier post?) but a can of phyto and dermarcine JUST CANT cost $100 bucks for shipping, thats ridiculous!

I don't mind paying the extra fees for a good shipping carrier, better than the pricks at the customs getting hold of my merchandise, but 100 bucks for 2 cans that hardly weigh anything ? nah... makes no sense.

Ps: Yes, did read a lot of good reviews about the products, thats the reason I'm eager to try em out!
 
Primordial Performance said:
Oh yes, “Dermacrine Sustain” should actually say “Sustain Alpha”.

Dermacrine Sustain was recently replaced with Sustain Alpha. The new Sustain Alpha has the same function as the Dermacrine Sustain, only better.

So, you use Dermacrine, then cycle onto Sustain Alpha to get your natural Testosterone pumping again, and to avoid shutdown from Dermacrine (which contains pro-hormones). It’s a good way to keep your T level optimal, but not totally necessary. Guys use Dermacrine, and then just drop it and they are fine.

BTW, both typos are now fixed on the website.

-Pp
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But in your other post you mention :

"Remember, the Sustain has never been a “suppressive” formula. It only stimulates the body to produce more testosterone when your using it, and doesn’t make your body dependant on it. So no worries, you don’t need any kind of break or PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - after the Sustain.

-Pp"

Once you state PCT is not a necessity and then again you state it is to get back the Test to optimum level

Which is what?

So while using Phyto stacked with Dermacrine it then requires a PCT of Sustain Alpha ? 4 weeks of Phyto with Dermarcine - then a gap of 4 weeks (in which to use Sustain Alpha ) ? ??? and then continue the procedure ?

The only thing preventing me from clicking the ORDER BUTTON are all these confusing facts which are not made clear on the website either!
 
r0han said:
But in your other post you mention :

"Remember, the Sustain has never been a “suppressive” formula. It only stimulates the body to produce more testosterone when your using it, and doesn’t make your body dependant on it. So no worries, you don’t need any kind of break or PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - after the Sustain.

-Pp"

Once you state PCT is not a necessity and then again you state it is to get back the Test to optimum level

Which is what?

So while using Phyto stacked with Dermacrine it then requires a PCT of Sustain Alpha ? 4 weeks of Phyto with Dermarcine - then a gap of 4 weeks (in which to use Sustain Alpha ) ? ??? and then continue the procedure ?

The only thing preventing me from clicking the ORDER BUTTON are all these confusing facts which are not made clear on the website either!
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Your starting to confuse me a bit... ;-0

Let me make sure we are on the same page...

Dermacrine is the product that requires the PCT. (It’s not mandatory, but a good idea since it can be suppressive)

The Sustain Alpha is the product to use for PCT after Dermacrine since it naturaly stimulates the body's own testosterone production.

The Phyto-Testosterone does not require a PCT, but if you run it with Dermacrine then you probably should be doing a PCT after the Dermacrine.

A popular cycle is 4 weeks of Dermacrine and Phyto-Test, then 4 weeks of Sustain Alpha and Phyto-Test. (8 weeks total on Phyto-Test)

-Pp
 
Primordial Performance said:
Your starting to confuse me a bit... ;-0

Let me make sure we are on the same page...

Dermacrine is the product that requires the PCT - post cycle therapy - . (It’s not mandatory, but a good idea since it can be suppressive)

The Sustain Alpha is the product to use for PCT after Dermacrine since it naturaly stimulates the body's own testosterone production.

The Phyto-Testosterone does not require a PCT, but if you run it with Dermacrine then you probably should be doing a PCT after the Dermacrine.

A popular cycle is 4 weeks of Dermacrine and Phyto-Test, then 4 weeks of Sustain Alpha and Phyto-Test. (8 weeks total on Phyto-Test)

-Pp
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That clears up my doubts, thanks a lot, let me go order it now.

Cheers!
 
Sounds good, how do you think it would compare to something like Mass Tabs? Considering I was planning on starting those up again but I can't find them anywhere now so I need a replacement.
 
MarcoPollo said:
I just ordered a bottle. Can I stack this with NO products or other pre-workout supps? :qt:
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I've been stackin the derma's with NO's for the last few months.
Just an upward flight for me !
 
misterjones said:
Sounds good, how do you think it would compare to something like Mass Tabs? Considering I was planning on starting those up again but I can't find them anywhere now so I need a replacement.
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I really can’t comment on the mass tabs since Ive never used them, but I can tell you that weve included a potent dose of both the active ingredients in Phyto-Test to make it worth your while.

I think NO supplements and phyto-test would stack just fine…. Maybe even be synergistic.

-Pp
 
Does anyone have any reviews to post about this product ? BESIDES digitalizedsoul, the anabolic section has nothing but his "review" on this product.

I'd appreciate stats, pics and what kind of gains are happening with these products.

Thanks
 
r0han said:
Does anyone have any reviews to post about this product ? BESIDES digitalizedsoul, the anabolic section has nothing but his "review" on this product.

I'd appreciate stats, pics and what kind of gains are happening with these products.

Thanks
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This is my third day taking Phyto-Testosterone. It's very early to be analyzing it's full and total effects but what I do notice so far is a slightly increase in strength for sure. Without a doubt my recovery is super fast also. Fatigue and exhaustion is delayed without a doubt. This is what I can tell so far. I can only think that it will keep working this way for me. I am not taking any other supps yet. I am waiting for shippment but i will stack PT with RAW and AMP2 tx. Almost forgot, My appetite can make a sumo-wrestler say " what the f**"! This stuff makes you eat like an animal. This is a good thing actually. Eat,lift, rest and grow.

I will keep updating in time.
 
MarcoPollo said:
This is my third day taking Phyto-Testosterone. It's very early to be analyzing it's full and total effects but what I do notice so far is a slightly increase in strength for sure. Without a doubt my recovery is super fast also. Fatigue and exhaustion is delayed without a doubt. This is what I can tell so far. I can only think that it will keep working this way for me. I am not taking any other supps yet. I am waiting for shippment but i will stack PT with RAW and AMP2 tx. Almost forgot, My appetite can make a sumo-wrestler say " what the f**"! This stuff makes you eat like an animal. This is a good thing actually. Eat,lift, rest and grow.

I will keep updating in time.
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Good update bro...

Rohan,

Most guys have only been taking Phyto-Test for a couple weeks now so its still a little early to see any full logs with pics, stats, ect... they will come though...

-Pp
 
MarcoPollo said:
This is my third day taking Phyto-Testosterone. It's very early to be analyzing it's full and total effects but what I do notice so far is a slightly increase in strength for sure. Without a doubt my recovery is super fast also. Fatigue and exhaustion is delayed without a doubt. This is what I can tell so far. I can only think that it will keep working this way for me. I am not taking any other supps yet. I am waiting for shippment but i will stack PT with RAW and AMP2 tx. Almost forgot, My appetite can make a sumo-wrestler say " what the f**"! This stuff makes you eat like an animal. This is a good thing actually. Eat,lift, rest and grow.

I will keep updating in time.
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Very much appreciate this update, will keep checking this thread. Thanks.
 
I'm on day 4 of my PT and I've already noticed I'm feeling more pumped during my workouts and already seeing some more veins, not to mention I'm eating like crazy too. But man this stuff tastes horrible.
 
this stuff is great and i destroy my legs everyday with lifting/sprints/agilities i havent been sore at all and i dont tire at all, im on day 5, my abs are rippin out of my stomach once again this stuff kicks ass although i dont get as hungry as others on the board
 
jiggagold said:
this stuff is great and i destroy my legs everyday with lifting/sprints/agilities i havent been sore at all and i dont tire at all, im on day 5, my abs are rippin out of my stomach once again this stuff kicks ass although i dont get as hungry as others on the board
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You on the Dermacrine / Phyto-Stack?

-Pp
 
I have been on Phyto for close to a week now and I can't put down the fork. This stuff makes me very hungry. I haven't reweighed myself yet so no report on weight gain. I have been doing sprint intervals three times a week so overall weight gain might not be much, but I am betting on a body comp shift. So far my workouts have been very intense and I have noticed increased recovery. I am looking forward to seeing results in a few weeks.
 
TQ_ said:
Please post more updates from those who have been doing this for awhile now.
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Just like my previous post on the Phyto-Testosterone, I still feel like it is a very good and legit product and it does do what it claims. It increases power gives you more energy and great on recovery. this is my 2nd week and I love it! :mix: :mix:

Try it and see for yourselves.

Hey Ho Let's Go!
 
KOArtist said:
any chance there will be a soft gel version on the way with everyone complaining about the taste???
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We dont have any plans for a softgel version. The enhanced delivery is partly based off of the sublingual absorption of the actives.

-Pp
 
MarcoPollo said:
Just like my previous post on the Phyto-Testosterone, I still feel like it is a very good and legit product and it does do what it claims. It increases power gives you more energy and great on recovery. this is my 2nd week and I love it! :mix: :mix:

Try it and see for yourselves.

Hey Ho Let's Go!
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I read your previous post, ok info I guess. I'm more interested in the gains or maybe I am misunderstood a little on this product. Everyone talks about how much energy and recovery they have but I am more interested in the "gains". I have no problem with energy in the gym. I do however, would like to hear more about muscle growth and gains you have received from this product. Do you do any logs?
 
TQ_ said:
I read your previous post, ok info I guess. I'm more interested in the gains or maybe I am misunderstood a little on this product. Everyone talks about how much energy and recovery they have but I am more interested in the "gains". I have no problem with energy in the gym. I do however, would like to hear more about muscle growth and gains you have received from this product. Do you do any logs?
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Today makes exactly one week since I started the Phyto. This morning I woke up, took a piss, and weighed myself. I did the same exact thing at the same exact time last Saturday. I have gained exactly 5 pounds in one week. My diet has been very clean and consistent. I have been taking in between 300-500 kcal above my maintenance level and preforming HIIT on the elliptical three times a week on nontraining days. All of my lifts are either up or I am pushing more reps. I am constantly hungry. Is all of this attributed to Phyto Test? I don't know. But I am sure the Phyto test has a lot more to do with it than any placebo effects. lol
 
jocephus said:
Today makes exactly one week since I started the Phyto. This morning I woke up, took a piss, and weighed myself. I did the same exact thing at the same exact time last Saturday. I have gained exactly 5 pounds in one week. My diet has been very clean and consistent. I have been taking in between 300-500 kcal above my maintenance level and preforming HIIT on the elliptical three times a week on nontraining days. All of my lifts are either up or I am pushing more reps. I am constantly hungry. Is all of this attributed to Phyto Test? I don't know. But I am sure the Phyto test has a lot more to do with it than any placebo effects. lol
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btw I am taking three 4ml servings a day :jenscat
 
jocephus said:
Today makes exactly one week since I started the Phyto. This morning I woke up, took a piss, and weighed myself. I did the same exact thing at the same exact time last Saturday. I have gained exactly 5 pounds in one week. My diet has been very clean and consistent. I have been taking in between 300-500 kcal above my maintenance level and preforming HIIT on the elliptical three times a week on nontraining days. All of my lifts are either up or I am pushing more reps. I am constantly hungry. Is all of this attributed to Phyto Test? I don't know. But I am sure the Phyto test has a lot more to do with it than any placebo effects. lol
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Same here bro...exactly one week today. Weigh myself on an empty stomach every morn, good ol slider type/doctor scale, surprisingly up 4lbs as of today. Not water weight, been off cycle for 2 months now, lost a bit of weight obviously, then couldn't gain shit the last 2-3 weeks prior to receving my Phyto, just kinda plateaued. Im not quite ready to praise the Phyto just yet, but give it one more week, and I'll have a definite opinion. So far, I am very optimistic about the upcoming week/s!
 
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On Derma and Phyto, and it’s like I can’t eat enough!! This is Sweet…. Workouts are hella intense and lifts are on the up. Can’t wait to finish up and start again!!!
 
MrB123 said:
On Derma and Phyto, and it’s like I can’t eat enough!! This is Sweet…. Workouts are hella intense and lifts are on the up. Can’t wait to finish up and start again!!!
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Its just another great product sold by pp.
 
KDubba said:
Sold!
I just placed my order for 1 of each.
I was dancing around a cyclotren and epi/havoc stack- obviously i am going with PP this time however going to order the other stack too while I still can.
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If you got any of those other products on hand you can stack them with Dermacrine and Phyto.

-Pp
 
My system reacts good to decent supplements so I dont think that is necessary. If people are gaining 10- 15 lbs off this stack with the right diet and training I don't doubt I will too.
 
KDubba said:
Sold!
I just placed my order for 1 of each.
I was dancing around a cyclotren and epi/havoc stack- obviously i am going with PP this time however going to order the other stack too while I still can.
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Havoc works great with dermacrine. :)
 
needtogetaas said:
Havoc works great with dermacrine. :)
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..Oh yeah what kind of gains did u see from it?
I have been stashing some PH's before they go away. Not sure what stacks I am going to do or what order as of yet
I have 2 Havoc/Epi, 2 Cyclotren and 2 Phera plex, and 1Dermacrine and 1Phyto.

I am prepping my liver before I start

Oh by the way I orederd and recieved my Primordial stuff in 2 days flat.

Phytotest $60
Dermacrine $60
Shipping $20
-------- 140
-20 For afree shipping over 100
-20 for the special they have if you buy the stack
Awesome stack for 100 bux ...Priceless
 
Black Boxster said:
Damn!:evil: I just placed an order the other day, ordered Derma and CLA and was going to order Phyto test to run with my Monsterdrol cycle I'm starting. Oh well, I'lll order for another cycle down the road when I order Sustain Alpha for my PCT

Hear nothing but great things about Phyto, can't wait to try it!
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Good to know, and thanks for stopping by the forum!

-Eric
 
Black Boxster said:
Damn!:evil: I just placed an order the other day, ordered Derma and CLA and was going to order Phyto test to run with my Monsterdrol cycle I'm starting. Oh well, I'lll order for another cycle down the road when I order Sustain Alpha for my PCT

Hear nothing but great things about Phyto, can't wait to try it!
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Phyto and Derma is a great stack
 
Thank you......





I will tell you if your product is anything like your customer service i will be a life long customer A+ on customer service....

Hoping to get some more people from my gym on the PP Train...
 
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