Deca and Dostinex a must or.........?

[dark-knight]

Im going to be stacking deca, test cyp, winny. also have arimidex and nolvadex on hand

I have been told that gyno from deca is rare and nolva doesn't work for deca, is this true. is it imperitive to have dostinex on hand for a first time deca champ?

'd appreciate any insight

 

[whitemahon]

Im going to be stacking deca, test cyp, winny. also have arimidex and nolvadex on hand

I have been told that gyno from deca is rare and nolva doesn't work for deca, is this true. is it imperitive to have dostinex on hand for a first time deca champ?

'd appreciate any insight

Gyno from deca is not as rare as you think. If you're prog sensitive you will need dostinex. Deca gyno is nasty & an absolute bitch to treat. The winny can help as it competes @ the p receptor, but if this is your first time running deca, I'd def keep dost on hand. Better safe than bannana tits bro.

 

[nzrodney]

No its not essential to have dostinex. However in some cases when using tren deca drol that are progestins you may raise the levels of prolactin in the body. That can cause progesterone gyno ie. puffy cone shaped nips, itchy, & in severe cases excretion from the glands . Also there can be libido & delayed ejaculation issues. However the onset of these are more likely when using high doses for longer periods of time. Normal use of deca in a stack say up to 600mg PW should be ok. Bear in mind though that deca does shut down the HPTA.

 

[goku_kakarot77]

gyno from deca is hit or miss, dont take the chance bro, try using low dose dostinex 0.25mgs 2x week, prevention is the best cure

 

[advanced-stealth]

+1

gyno from deca is hit or miss, dont take the chance bro, try using low dose dostinex 0.25mgs 2x week, prevention is the best cure

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

Progesterone and Prolactin are two separate hormones.

I have yet to see any study consistently linking any steroid, especially a mildly estrogenic one like Deca, to increases in prolactin in men.

 

[piningettysburg]

i was wondering the same as the OP.. dostinex is expensive and i've heard of people using bromocriptine instead.. ne1 else do this? if so, what dose?

 

[layinback]

dostinex will help if you have sexual dysfunction, ( deca dick ) but is not necessary. arimidex is the AI of choice and should
be ran .05 - 1.0 mg every 5 days.

 

[nzrodney]

Progesterone and Prolactin are two separate hormones.

I have yet to see any study consistently linking any steroid, especially a mildly estrogenic one like Deca, to increases in prolactin in men.

My understanding is that progesterone is a hormone that stimulates prolactin release. It seems to work in conjunction with estrogen. High levels of estrogen & progesterone = high prolactin levels.

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

High levels of estrogen & progesterone = high prolactin levels.

It is not as simple as that at all. There may be some interaction with hormones, estrogen moreso than progestins, but it is more closely related to other things including dopamine.

I have searched all my studies relating to nandrolone and other progestational steroids, and have failed to find any showing a prolactin rise. I am not saying it can't happen sometimes, but it does not appear to be as common as people suggest.

I think more of this has to do with people confusing prolactin with progesterone..

 

[swole]

From my personal vault of bro-ology.

I got gyno from 200mg of deca EW. It took three weeks of letro and dostinex to get rid of it. Masteron helped as well.

letro 2.5mg ED / dostinex .5mg EOD / 200mg Mast Enanthate EW

It went away...of course I dropped the deca when I first noticed the lump.

 

[halfcenturian]

I always run Cabergoline with any AAS. Especially the Nor-19's.

Make me so horny!

Adex or Aromasin too. Don't fuck around with Nandro's bro.
You may or may not get gyno. Why fucking chance it.

 

[Cardinal Slin]

I remember my first cycle with deca - I shot 400mgs and never ever used the stuff again!

 

[aquatic_glories]

It is not as simple as that at all. There may be some interaction with hormones, estrogen moreso than progestins, but it is more closely related to other things including dopamine.

I have searched all my studies relating to nandrolone and other progestational steroids, and have failed to find any showing a prolactin rise. I am not saying it can't happen sometimes, but it does not appear to be as common as people suggest.

I think more of this has to do with people confusing prolactin with progesterone..

And is there a safe way to keep progesterone levels at their normal range during AAS use??

thanks

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

And is there a safe way to keep progesterone levels at their normal range during AAS use??

thanks

Don't get pregnant.

Seriously, an antiestrogen works most of the time as estrgoen and progesterone work together here. Diminishing estrogen is usually enough. I definitely wouldn't think about dostinex unless it were clearly necessary..

 

[Nelson Montana]

If I'm reading Bill correctly, I agree with him.

I'm not sure where this cab-kick came from but I think since Nandos don't respond to AI's someone decided that cab would work and everyone followed suit. There's absolutely no evidence that I've seen, either researched or empirical that suggests there's any truth to that whatsoever. Maybe it alleviated some of the libido issues and people assumed it counteracted the prog. But there's no chemical/hormonal interaction there.

It's like saying cocaine counteracts the effects of alcohol because you think clearer and are less tired so therefore you aren't drunk!

 

[nzrodney]

Nelson, a quick search gave me this article.

Neutralization of pregnancy-preventing activity of cabergoline, a dopamine agonist with progesterone

H. Negishi1, G. P. Kumar2, M. Laloraya2 and S. S. Koide3

1 Dept. of Obstetrics and Gynecology Hokkaido University School of Medicine, Sapporo, Japan 2 School of Life Sciences, Devi Ahilya Vishwavidyalaya, Indore, India 3 Center for Biomedical Research, The Population Council 1230 York Avenue, New York, NY 10021, USA

Received 3 September 1996; accepted 2 March 1997. ; Available online 17 December 1997.




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Abstract
Cabergoline (Cab), a dopamine agonist, inhibits the production and/or release of prolactin and reduces progesterone biosynthesis. Cab at doses of 20 μg/kg/d and higher administered on Days 1, 2 and 3 of pregnancy prevented implantation of fertilized ova in all treated female rats. The pregnancy-preventing activity of Cab is attributed to a deficiency of progesterone since estradiol levels remain unchanged. To validate the hypothesis that progesterone deficiency is the cause of the infertility, exogenous progesterone was administered to Cab-treated pregnant female rats and their fertility assessed. Progesterone at a dose of 5 mg/kg/d sc was administered on Days 1 to 7 of pregnancy to female rats treated with Cab (20 and 60 μg/kg/d) on Days 1, 2 and 3 of pregnancy. All progesterone-treated animals became pregnant, and all mated female rats treated with Cab (60 μg/kg/d) and progesterone (5 mg/kg/d) on Days 1 to 7 inclusive became pregnant. In conclusion, progesterone can neutralize the pregnancy preventing activity of Cab. Pregnant female rats treated with Cab can be used to assay for progestagenic activity of compounds.

Author Keywords: Cabergoline; dopamine agonist; progesterone; implantation of blastocysts; estradiol

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[herdus33]

bump^^^^ I'm considering a test/tren/deca cycle. Of course the tren/deca would be minimal doses. I dont want to take any chance for gyno so I need some more info on dostinex/cabergoline. Thanks.

 

[dark-knight]

hmmmmm

 

[swole]

run the dostinex for sexual robustness

i don't think it will prevent you from getting gyno per se

i'd still run aromasin on a test/deca cycle

if you get gyno from the combo, then you'll need letro/dostinex to treat it

nolva will do nothing for progesterone related gyno

 

[dark-knight]

so run dost as a safeguard and have the letro in case "shit happens".?

what about nolvadex for pct? it won't be very useful for the prolactin/progs related gyno although i will be running cyp with the deca so would i still use it. would it be just as benficial just to run adex from say week two throughout at a low dose to control the est levels.

what about winnie? is it effective as a preventitive measure for the prolactin/progs related gyno? are there any bros out there with first hand experience using winnie for this purpose?

that started as 1 ? and grew

 

[dark-knight]

also afterthought. dost tabs vs liquidost