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Thoughts on this cycle

bigdextreme74

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Hey brothers!
I have used gear for over 20+ years. I have done 40-50 cycles. They are usually average and low dose. The cycle I am planning will be the longest I have ever done, also the highest doses I have ever done. This is also the first time using HGH. Below is what I am thinking, and I would greatly appreciate your thoughts are based on your experience. What would change, eliminate, dose increase or decrease. (is there a different substance that works like deca, but without the long detection time?

Week​
Testosterone-Enanthate​
Deca-Durabolin​
Trenbolone-Enanthate​
Dianabol (oral)​
Winny (oral)​
HGH​
Arimidex​
1750mg/week1000mg/wk100mg/ed4iu/ed0.5mg/eod
2
750mg/week
1000mg/wk100mg/ed4iu/ed0.5mg/eod
3
750mg/week
1000mg/wk100mg/ed4iu/ed0.5mg/eod
4
750mg/week
1000mg/wk100mg/ed4iu/ed0.5mg/eod
5
750mg/week
1000mg/wk100mg/ed4iu/ed0.5mg/eod
6
750mg/week
1000mg/wk100mg/ed4iu/ed0.5mg/eod
7
750mg/week
1000mg/wk4iu/ed0.5mg/eod
8750mg/week1000mg/wk4iu/ed0.5mg/eod
9750mg/week1000mg/wk4iu/ed0.5mg/eod
10750mg/week1000mg/wk4iu/ed0.5mg/eod
11750mg/week600mg/week50mg/ed4iu/ed0.5mg/eod
12750mg/week600mg/week50mg/ed4iu/ed0.5mg/eod
13750mg/week600mg/week50mg/ed4iu/ed0.5mg/eod
14750mg/week600mg/week50mg/ed4iu/ed0.5mg/eod
15750mg/week600mg/week50mg/ed4iu/ed0.5mg/eod
16750mg/week600mg/week50mg/ed4iu/ed0.5mg/eod
17750mg/week600mg/week4iu/ed0.5mg/eod
18750mg/week600mg/week4iu/ed0.5mg/eod
19750mg/week600mg/week4iu/ed0.5mg/eod
20750mg/week600mg/week4iu/ed0.5mg/eod


Post Cycle Therapy ​

PCT Option 1
Week​
hCG​
Nolvadex​
11,000iu/ed
21,000iu/ed (1st 3 Days)40mg/ed
340mg/ed
440mg/ed
520mg/ed
620mg/ed

PCT Option 2
Week​
hCG​
Clomid​
11,000iu/ed
21,000iu/ed (1st 3 Days)150mg/ed
3150mg/ed
4150mg/ed
5100mg/ed
650mg/ed


 
bigdextreme74 said:
Hey brothers!
I have used gear for over 20+ years. I have done 40-50 cycles. They are usually average and low dose. The cycle I am planning will be the longest I have ever done, also the highest doses I have ever done. This is also the first time using HGH. Below is what I am thinking, and I would greatly appreciate your thoughts are based on your experience. What would change, eliminate, dose increase or decrease. (is there a different substance that works like deca, but without the long detection time?

Week​
Testosterone-Enanthate​
Deca-Durabolin​
Trenbolone-Enanthate​
Dianabol (oral)​
Winny (oral)​
HGH​
Arimidex​
1750mg/week1000mg/wk100mg/ed4iu/ed0.5mg/eod
2
750mg/week
1000mg/wk100mg/ed4iu/ed0.5mg/eod
3
750mg/week
1000mg/wk100mg/ed4iu/ed0.5mg/eod
4
750mg/week
1000mg/wk100mg/ed4iu/ed0.5mg/eod
5
750mg/week
1000mg/wk100mg/ed4iu/ed0.5mg/eod
6
750mg/week
1000mg/wk100mg/ed4iu/ed0.5mg/eod
7
750mg/week
1000mg/wk4iu/ed0.5mg/eod
8750mg/week1000mg/wk4iu/ed0.5mg/eod
9750mg/week1000mg/wk4iu/ed0.5mg/eod
10750mg/week1000mg/wk4iu/ed0.5mg/eod
11750mg/week600mg/week50mg/ed4iu/ed0.5mg/eod
12750mg/week600mg/week50mg/ed4iu/ed0.5mg/eod
13750mg/week600mg/week50mg/ed4iu/ed0.5mg/eod
14750mg/week600mg/week50mg/ed4iu/ed0.5mg/eod
15750mg/week600mg/week50mg/ed4iu/ed0.5mg/eod
16750mg/week600mg/week50mg/ed4iu/ed0.5mg/eod
17750mg/week600mg/week4iu/ed0.5mg/eod
18750mg/week600mg/week4iu/ed0.5mg/eod
19750mg/week600mg/week4iu/ed0.5mg/eod
20750mg/week600mg/week4iu/ed0.5mg/eod


Post Cycle Therapy ​

PCT Option 1
Week​
hCG​
Nolvadex​
11,000iu/ed
21,000iu/ed (1st 3 Days)40mg/ed
340mg/ed
440mg/ed
520mg/ed
620mg/ed

PCT Option 2
Week​
hCG​
Clomid​
11,000iu/ed
21,000iu/ed (1st 3 Days)150mg/ed
3150mg/ed
4150mg/ed
5100mg/ed
650mg/ed


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@bigdextreme74 well thats a crazy cycle but if you have so much experience why not

your pct i would add nolvadex and hcgenerate
but you're on TRT right?

can you share a LOG? I want to see a LOG from you on this big boy cycle
post a NEW thread with your cycle log journal diet training cardio cycle info sleep and more

To really guide you we need more info, we need you to share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.

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You seem like a seasoned veteran which is really good
would love to see a log Journal where you can post some pictures let's see what you look like after 20 years of gear use
 
you've been on steroids for that long I'm surprised and you're not on trt yet?
What does your blood work look like can you post that up in a long Journal so we can take a look
 
Monstro doesn't like this cycle
too much water retention you should be using something that's a dry compound in here maybe masteron or winstrol
 
these doses are just so far past excessive its absolutely absurd.. i wish you nothing but the best... i hope noone out there reading this finds any of this acceptable in any way, shape or form
 
dylangemelli said:
these doses are just so far past excessive its absolutely absurd.. i wish you nothing but the best... i hope noone out there reading this finds any of this acceptable in any way, shape or form
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Thank you. Im looking for guidance. I’ve never used any levels this high. My max has always been 500 test, 300 deca, 50mg dbol, etc. how Would you change this cycle?
 
Monstro said:
Monstro doesn't like this cycle
too much water retention you should be using something that's a dry compound in here maybe masteron or winstrol
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Which compound would you drop? should I drop deca or dbol? if I add masteron, what dose should I use? (I have not used this one before).
when i use dbol (~50mg) I put about 20-30 pounds of water weight In 2-3 weeks. The water weight comes off in about 6 weeks after I stop dbol.
i have winstrol planned for 2nd half of cycle (orals).
how would you change this cycle?
I appreciate your advice!
 
I'd drop dbol and replace with EQ or if u want something super dry primo, personally this cycle is ridiculous and u ar either gonna end up with extreme complications or health being very compromised long term.
 
Noah Wixx said:
I'd drop dbol and replace with EQ or if u want something super dry primo, personally this cycle is ridiculous and u ar either gonna end up with extreme complications or health being very compromised long term.
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Please keep going. What would be your dream cycle if you had all the gear you needed?
 
bigdextreme74 said:
Which compound would you drop? should I drop deca or dbol? if I add masteron, what dose should I use? (I have not used this one before).
when i use dbol (~50mg) I put about 20-30 pounds of water weight In 2-3 weeks. The water weight comes off in about 6 weeks after I stop dbol.
i have winstrol planned for 2nd half of cycle (orals).
how would you change this cycle?
I appreciate your advice!
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@bigdextreme74 I would drop deca if you had to drop something and add masteron why not

organ liver support too

and how about the log start? with the diet training before the cycle

Thoughts on this cycle

Hey brothers! I have used gear for over 20+ years. I have done 40-50 cycles. They are usually average and low dose. The cycle I am planning will be the longest I have ever done, also the highest doses I have ever done. This is also the first time using HGH. Below is what I am thinking, and I...
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top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My testosterone deca tren cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle
 
bigdextreme74 said:
Which compound would you drop? should I drop deca or dbol? if I add masteron, what dose should I use? (I have not used this one before).
when i use dbol (~50mg) I put about 20-30 pounds of water weight In 2-3 weeks. The water weight comes off in about 6 weeks after I stop dbol.
i have winstrol planned for 2nd half of cycle (orals).
how would you change this cycle?
I appreciate your advice!
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keep in mind monstro has different goals he is trying to stay in contest shape year round
 
I dont think there is any reason to run Deca that high. Seems like 600mg deca be more than enough and then 10 weeks of tren is gonna be very hard on the body bro. N2guard for sure
 
Bros you've gotten a lot of different opinions now we want to see the log from you
that would be an awesome way to show us your progression
 
get your log up and going as promise
we can monitor you the whole way and adjust your estrogen to make sure you don't blow it up too much
 
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keep us along for the ride on this cycle by putting up a log
I know it's been said but check out the other logs on here it's really worth it to do it
 
Monstro did a log myself and it helped me earn a pro card
I think it's too much gear and too much water on this cycle maybe switch out the testosterone for tren
 
bigdextreme74 said:
Thank you. Im looking for guidance. I’ve never used any levels this high. My max has always been 500 test, 300 deca, 50mg dbol, etc. how Would you change this cycle?
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bigdextreme74 said:
Thank you. Im looking for guidance. I’ve never used any levels this high. My max has always been 500 test, 300 deca, 50mg dbol, etc. how Would you change this cycle?
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i wouldnt ever run this cycle is the main thing.. its a recipe for nothing but problems and like i said, its just so far past excessive.. its far past abusive.. its far past reckless and just so completely unnecessary to say the least...

it comes down to your goals but you need to understand a little bit goes a long way and more is certainly not always better and in fact, often times its more detrimental when it comes to ped's
 
dylangemelli said:
i wouldnt ever run this cycle is the main thing.. its a recipe for nothing but problems and like i said, its just so far past excessive.. its far past abusive.. its far past reckless and just so completely unnecessary to say the least...

it comes down to your goals but you need to understand a little bit goes a long way and more is certainly not always better and in fact, often times its more detrimental when it comes to ped's
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Thank you again. I am going to drop the HGH. I will lower the dbol down to 50mg. Ill lower the deca to 500.
This is a work in progress. I dont plan on starting this cycle until Feb 1st. I need to make certain all ancillaries are on hand.
I will post a log when I start the cycle.
Below is a list of gear that I have on hand or is in the process of arriving:

PCT
hcg: 2000iu X 10 vials
Novaldex: 20mg: 200 tabs
Clomid 50mg: 300 tabs

Cycle
dbol 50mg: 200 tabs
Anadrol 50mg: 200 tabs
Deca 500mg: 4 vials X 10ml
Masteon 200mg: 4 vials X 10ml
Tren E 200mg: 4 vials X 10ml
Test E 250mg: 5 vials X 10ml
Equipose 500mg: 4 vials X 10ml

I would appreciate it if someone would build a cycle with this gear. I would like to know what others think. My objective when this is done is to bulk up to 275# and keep it. I expect I will go up to 300 and then lose 25 pounds of water weight in the process. I want to achieve sound cardiovascular fitness and increase my strength., flexibility.

BigD
 
bigdextreme74 said:
Please keep going. What would be your dream cycle if you had all the gear you needed?
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That's a tough one, I love primo I don't love the pip but I see good results with primo. I am not a fan of the harsh variations of gear, I like gear that is mild-moderate, I like to blend anabloic with androgenic as best I can.

I don't know I have a dream cycle my next cycle coming up is Test E/Primo/Eq/ 16 weeks Tbol for 6 weeks running moderate doses of each compound trying to create a synergy between the compounds. I run cycles based on my goals and my needs and what I feel I can tolerate with little to no sides , I like clean easy hassle free cycles that I can sit back and enjoy the process without worrying about issues if that makes sense.
 
bigdextreme74 said:
Thank you again. I am going to drop the HGH. I will lower the dbol down to 50mg. Ill lower the deca to 500.
This is a work in progress. I dont plan on starting this cycle until Feb 1st. I need to make certain all ancillaries are on hand.
I will post a log when I start the cycle.
Below is a list of gear that I have on hand or is in the process of arriving:

PCT
hcg: 2000iu X 10 vials
Novaldex: 20mg: 200 tabs
Clomid 50mg: 300 tabs

Cycle
dbol 50mg: 200 tabs
Anadrol 50mg: 200 tabs
Deca 500mg: 4 vials X 10ml
Masteon 200mg: 4 vials X 10ml
Tren E 200mg: 4 vials X 10ml
Test E 250mg: 5 vials X 10ml
Equipose 500mg: 4 vials X 10ml

I would appreciate it if someone would build a cycle with this gear. I would like to know what others think. My objective when this is done is to bulk up to 275# and keep it. I expect I will go up to 300 and then lose 25 pounds of water weight in the process. I want to achieve sound cardiovascular fitness and increase my strength., flexibility.

BigD
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Looking better with the dosages. I like this cycle a lot better
 
Vadim Fedorov said:
you've been on steroids for that long I'm surprised and you're not on trt yet?
What does your blood work look like can you post that up in a long Journal so we can take a look
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Two years ago I just started a cycle, then everything stopped. (Life happens). My testosterone levels tanked on me. The dropped to 135, then 85. Talk about depression. My endocrinologist put me on TRT of 200mg cyp a week. It brought my levels back to 687, but I still feel like shit (better, but still not 100%), I will post my most recent blood work soon. For the past 20 years I have been very conservative with my cycles (low dose). All my blood work is WNL.
 
i honestly cant really help, you are just wanting to run ridiculous amounts of gear and dont seem to get it brother.... 50 mg of dbol is way too much.. i dont think you understand the long term ramifications of doing this and likely what you have already done to yourself in the past.. if you cant bulk on a cycle of say test, deca and anadrol, then theres something wrong with your diet and training in a major way... if you REALLY think you need that much gear to get results, theres bigger issues here.. not to mention, the pct is just terrible using hcg in there, which is one of the worst things you could ever do...

test and deca at 300 for 12 weeks with anadrol at 50-100 mg 4 weeks is more than enough.. you could add a sarm like s23, which would add huge strength and size and even adding lgd3303 and you could add serious serious serious size and pull back so much on side effects and run them 12 weeks, but even without them, you could do serious size and strength with just test, deca and anadrol at those doses... ive been doing this over nearly 15 years now and know what goes along with all of this, short and long term


when you use testosterone, you are clearly adding large amounts of it into your body which causes you to eventually be suppressed when you stop using it because your body forgets how to produce it on its own... hence, the need for pct... so, what hcg does is MIMIC your lh and fsh, just like taking testosterone, mimics testosterone production which eventually leads to suppression, correct... so when you mimic lh and fsh, what happens when you stop using it?? im sure you can put two and two together... the reason you use hcg is to get your lh and fsh STIMULATED before pct, so they are not completely bottomed out because when you use test, they are non existent... just like when you run an oral without test... when you go into pct, your test is bottomed out.... when you go into pct using test, AT LEAST its much higher making recovery easier as you reteach your body to produce on its own... so if you use hcg BEFORE pct, then it gives that boost while your body learns how to produce on its own... HOWEVER, if you run hcg IN PCT or after, you end up suppressing yourself because you are just mimicking, not helping to jumpstart anything like nolva and clomid do for your natural testosterone production... NOT TO MENTION, hcg ALSO increases estrogen...


when you are in pct, you are going to get a major spike in cortisol... cortisol is termed the "gains killer" for a reason... it will put you into a catabolic state which will not allow you to build muscle and at the same time will eat it away, on top of the fact you will also get unwanted fat gain... so you will lose muscle and gain fat that you had just busted your ass an entire cycle for... GW and MK prevent the rise in cortisol... not only that but they keep you performing at a level you were while on cycle being the ultimate performance enhancers they are... on top of the fact that mk2866 is the ultimate for healing and recovery, which is imperative in pct as well as keeping strength up to a very high level... gw will also treat cholesterol and blood pressure, which are definitely things that need addressed in pct as well… N2Guard plays a pivotal role in a post-cycle therapy (PCT). There’s a strong misconception that the role of a PCT is simply to restart the natural testosterone production that was shut down from the steroid cycle. While this is true, there are a lot of the other issues that the body has to deal with during a PCT: hormone fluctuations, high liver enzymes, increased blood pressure, pressure on the kidneys and endocrine system, high stress and cortisol levels, the list goes on…N2Guard helps address all of these problems and helps you recover in a timely manner. The quicker you recover, the less likelihood of any long-term problems occurring, and the more likely that all gains you make during your cycle are retained.

clomid 50/50/25/25
nolva 40/40/20/20
aromasin (adjust as needed)
N2Guard
mk-2866 25 mg day
gw-501516 20 mg day
 
That looks like a professional BB stack! Honestly, I would be cutting everything in half. Way too much water retention and side effects. Also, PCT isn't great. Check out our stick called The Perfect PCT Simplified on the EVO forums.
 
MasonicBodybuilder said:
That looks like a professional BB stack! Honestly, I would be cutting everything in half. Way too much water retention and side effects. Also, PCT isn't great. Check out our stick called The Perfect PCT Simplified on the EVO forums.
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Thanks brother. Do you have a link to The Perfect PCT Simplified? I cant find it in the EVO forums.
 
bigdextreme74 said:
Thanks brother. Do you have a link to The Perfect PCT Simplified? I cant find it in the EVO forums.
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@bigdextreme74 here are the links

The Perfect PCT Simplified!

Hi EVO Family, We get a lot of questions on how to run a proper PCT and more specifically how to run The Perfect PCT (http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/). The purpose of this thread is to simplify everything for you. What You Need: -1 or 2 bottles of N2Generate ES...
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and are we going to see your log going posted? waiting on your LOG bro
 
MUSTANG_18 said:
@bigdextreme74 here are the links

The Perfect PCT Simplified!

Hi EVO Family, We get a lot of questions on how to run a proper PCT and more specifically how to run The Perfect PCT (http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/). The purpose of this thread is to simplify everything for you. What You Need: -1 or 2 bottles of N2Generate ES...
www.evolutionary.org www.evolutionary.org

and are we going to see your log going posted? waiting on your LOG bro
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Ill post my log as soon after my gear comes in. I received a message today that it should be 7-21 days. Thank you for posting the PCT link!
 
dylangemelli said:
i honestly cant really help, you are just wanting to run ridiculous amounts of gear and dont seem to get it brother.... 50 mg of dbol is way too much.. i dont think you understand the long term ramifications of doing this and likely what you have already done to yourself in the past.. if you cant bulk on a cycle of say test, deca and anadrol, then theres something wrong with your diet and training in a major way... if you REALLY think you need that much gear to get results, theres bigger issues here.. not to mention, the pct is just terrible using hcg in there, which is one of the worst things you could ever do...

test and deca at 300 for 12 weeks with anadrol at 50-100 mg 4 weeks is more than enough.. you could add a sarm like s23, which would add huge strength and size and even adding lgd3303 and you could add serious serious serious size and pull back so much on side effects and run them 12 weeks, but even without them, you could do serious size and strength with just test, deca and anadrol at those doses... ive been doing this over nearly 15 years now and know what goes along with all of this, short and long term


when you use testosterone, you are clearly adding large amounts of it into your body which causes you to eventually be suppressed when you stop using it because your body forgets how to produce it on its own... hence, the need for pct... so, what hcg does is MIMIC your lh and fsh, just like taking testosterone, mimics testosterone production which eventually leads to suppression, correct... so when you mimic lh and fsh, what happens when you stop using it?? im sure you can put two and two together... the reason you use hcg is to get your lh and fsh STIMULATED before pct, so they are not completely bottomed out because when you use test, they are non existent... just like when you run an oral without test... when you go into pct, your test is bottomed out.... when you go into pct using test, AT LEAST its much higher making recovery easier as you reteach your body to produce on its own... so if you use hcg BEFORE pct, then it gives that boost while your body learns how to produce on its own... HOWEVER, if you run hcg IN PCT or after, you end up suppressing yourself because you are just mimicking, not helping to jumpstart anything like nolva and clomid do for your natural testosterone production... NOT TO MENTION, hcg ALSO increases estrogen...


when you are in pct, you are going to get a major spike in cortisol... cortisol is termed the "gains killer" for a reason... it will put you into a catabolic state which will not allow you to build muscle and at the same time will eat it away, on top of the fact you will also get unwanted fat gain... so you will lose muscle and gain fat that you had just busted your ass an entire cycle for... GW and MK prevent the rise in cortisol... not only that but they keep you performing at a level you were while on cycle being the ultimate performance enhancers they are... on top of the fact that mk2866 is the ultimate for healing and recovery, which is imperative in pct as well as keeping strength up to a very high level... gw will also treat cholesterol and blood pressure, which are definitely things that need addressed in pct as well… N2Guard plays a pivotal role in a post-cycle therapy (PCT). There’s a strong misconception that the role of a PCT is simply to restart the natural testosterone production that was shut down from the steroid cycle. While this is true, there are a lot of the other issues that the body has to deal with during a PCT: hormone fluctuations, high liver enzymes, increased blood pressure, pressure on the kidneys and endocrine system, high stress and cortisol levels, the list goes on…N2Guard helps address all of these problems and helps you recover in a timely manner. The quicker you recover, the less likelihood of any long-term problems occurring, and the more likely that all gains you make during your cycle are retained.

clomid 50/50/25/25
nolva 40/40/20/20
aromasin (adjust as needed)
N2Guard
mk-2866 25 mg day
gw-501516 20 mg day
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When would you suggest using HCG? I have 10 x 2000iu on hand.
I have used prescription strength Ursodiol in past for liver support. I have not use N2Guard. Who makes this? Im assuming its someone on this forum. How do I know the quality? Same goes for mk-2866 and qw-501516? How do I know this works?
Ive been burned in the past and I am very apprehensive to products I have never used before.

Thanks.

BigD
 
bigdextreme74 said:
When would you suggest using HCG? I have 10 x 2000iu on hand.
I have used prescription strength Ursodiol in past for liver support. I have not use N2Guard. Who makes this? Im assuming its someone on this forum. How do I know the quality? Same goes for mk-2866 and qw-501516? How do I know this works?
Ive been burned in the past and I am very apprehensive to products I have never used before.

Thanks.

BigD
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i dont find hcg necessary whatsoever but if you are intent, 1000 ius the last four weeks right up until pct

umbrella labs has the highest quality sarms and peptides you can find.. they have the longest standing reputation, which is easily verifiable all over and they not only have COA's on all of their product pages but every product you buy has a COA included when it is sent to you

N2guard is a product by N2BM that has been in existence since roughly 2009.. its been a top selling product for over many many years and has 45 protective ingredients.. its the most comprehensive all in one you can find
 
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