Planning to get serious.

[wcjcMr.O]

Too much gear? I know people that have run almost this same cycle with phenomenal results. Would def like a little more info on the OP but I don't think my advice was off base. He wants to jumpstart so why not just jumpstart with double test the first week instead of introducing another compound? I also recommended an AI and asked what his plan is for PCT. Not sure why you think this is too much gear but I've seen people run higher doses of a similar cycle without issues.

YES...TOO MUCH GEAR!!! are you not rembering that this guy is HOPING to be 190lbs when he starts this cycle. He's a "physique competitor". Doesn't need all that shit. If he was a national level bodybuilder it would be one thing. But slin, hgh and over 2 grams of gear for 190lb physique competitor is ridiculous.

Still want more stats on this guy tho. A pic would be good too. but I doubt that's gonna happen.

 

[Vast]

YES...TOO MUCH GEAR!!! are you not rembering that this guy is HOPING to be 190lbs when he starts this cycle. He's a "physique competitor". Doesn't need all that shit. If he was a national level bodybuilder it would be one thing. But slin, hgh and over 2 grams of gear for 190lb physique competitor is ridiculous.



Still want more stats on this guy tho. A pic would be good too. but I doubt that's gonna happen.

OP said he weighs 167lbs currently. He's trying to gain 31lbs roughly to get to 90kgs or 198lbs.

You need a LOT of gear to gain 31lbs in 16 weeks. You aren't gaining 31lbs from a simple test cycle. If he's experienced with tren he will be fine.

He should probably drop the hgh around 4 weeks from his contest though as it can make you look a little soft while running it.

I stand by my advice, if he were only looking to add 15-20lbs then I'd say run lower dosages.

 

[wcjcMr.O]

OP said he weighs 167lbs currently. He's trying to gain 31lbs roughly to get to 90kgs or 198lbs.

You need a LOT of gear to gain 31lbs in 16 weeks. You aren't gaining 31lbs from a simple test cycle. If he's experienced with tren he will be fine.

He should probably drop the hgh around 4 weeks from his contest though as it can make you look a little soft while running it.

I stand by my advice, if he were only looking to add 15-20lbs then I'd say run lower dosages.

Your 100% wrong. If he is 167lbs he has zero business running ANYTHING. unless he is under 5' tall he is EXTREMELY small and obviously doesn't know how to train and eat. And you need to know what your doing in the gym and kitchen before touching AAS. steroids are not a solution for shit training and eating.

And your also wrong about not gaining 30 lbs on a simple test cycle. I personally have gained over 30 lbs in 12 weeks on only 500mg test e and an oral kickstart. Granted after i dropped some water weight it was coser to 22lbs but still. So again, sounds like you don't know what the hell your talking about.

 

[wootoom]

Your 100% wrong. If he is 167lbs he has zero business running ANYTHING. unless he is under 5' tall he is EXTREMELY small and obviously doesn't know how to train and eat. And you need to know what your doing in the gym and kitchen before touching AAS. steroids are not a solution for shit training and eating.

And your also wrong about not gaining 30 lbs on a simple test cycle. I personally have gained over 30 lbs in 12 weeks on only 500mg test e and an oral kickstart. Granted after i dropped some water weight it was coser to 22lbs but still. So again, sounds like you don't know what the hell your talking about.

I agree, just plain ludicrous

 

[Vast]

Your 100% wrong. If he is 167lbs he has zero business running ANYTHING. unless he is under 5' tall he is EXTREMELY small and obviously doesn't know how to train and eat. And you need to know what your doing in the gym and kitchen before touching AAS. steroids are not a solution for shit training and eating.

And your also wrong about not gaining 30 lbs on a simple test cycle. I personally have gained over 30 lbs in 12 weeks on only 500mg test e and an oral kickstart. Granted after i dropped some water weight it was coser to 22lbs but still. So again, sounds like you don't know what the hell your talking about.

You're making quite a few assumptions on the OP's lifting and diet. He's 5'8, 167 currently. Wants to get to 198. Granted 198 is probably too big for a 5'8 guy to be a physique competitor but that's neither here nor there. I know plenty of guys that are 5'8 and 170-180lbs who definitely know how to eat and train. I'll refrain from taking personal digs at you or your knowledge of the sport but you're jumping the gun by assuming OP doesn't know how to eat or train.

I'm done with this thread.

 

[Hotshotkj]

Bump

 

[wcjcMr.O]

You're making quite a few assumptions on the OP's lifting and diet. He's 5'8, 167 currently. Wants to get to 198. Granted 198 is probably too big for a 5'8 guy to be a physique competitor but that's neither here nor there. I know plenty of guys that are 5'8 and 170-180lbs who definitely know how to eat and train. I'll refrain from taking personal digs at you or your knowledge of the sport but you're jumping the gun by assuming OP doesn't know how to eat or train.

I'm done with this thread.

5'8" 167 is TINY. Unless he is just PEELED its pretty small. still plenty of room to grow naturally. if he knew how to eat and train he wouldn't be 167lbs Not making assumptions. It's fact