Is this from DECA? HIGH PROLACTIN, 4 months after.

[getbulk]

Hello everyone, I'm preparing for a second cycle and first wanted to ensure my bloodwork is on key.

To make a long story short, I ran a Test E 600mg, deca 400mg, & dbol cycle quite a while ago w/o getting baseline bloodwork. I ran this cycle being very uneducated w/o controlling prolactin, e2, etc. Not only that, PCT was only Post Cycle, and Unleashed. FLAME ON!

4 months later I began to get some bloodwork taken. Here are the results:

AGE: 23, Weight: 203, BF: 9-11%
Prolactin (2.1 - 17.7): 19.4 ng/ml (HIGH)
Total Test: 434 ng/dl
Free Test: 13 ng/dl
E2 (7.6 - 42): 8.5 pg/ml (LOW)

I read there is a correlation w/ high prolactin resulting in lower test but I could be wrong. I'm also worried how low my e2 is but the only way to get that up is more aromatization and to get that naturally it seems as though I would need to lower my prolactin. Such a ripple effect haha...

Is it possible that my prolactin is still high considering Deca, especially w/ no caber, etc?

 

[dylangemelli]

bro, im going to try really hard to not give you a hard time but you have horrible numbers for your age and that's what you get for even using deca, especially using it an not knowing what your doing... you need to get your numbers in check before you consider running any other sort of cycle... your test is low for your age and you obviously know your other numbers are not good... what is your lh and fsh numbers? are you using any sort of ai or supplement right now?

 

[RickRock13]

Man I would get on some caber to get that prolactin down ASAP. That's pretty damn high. DECA lingers forever which is where your high prolactin came from, and probably the main reason you haven't fully recovered. DECA really is a horrible choice for anyone that cycles

 

[dylangemelli]

Man I would get on some caber to get that prolactin down ASAP. That's pretty damn high. DECA lingers forever which is where your high prolactin came from, and probably the main reason you haven't fully recovered. DECA really is a horrible choice for anyone that cycles

i completely agree... get on dostinex asap at .5 mg e3d... AncillaryGuys // AG-Guys.com - The #1 online Natural Ancillary retailer! has dostinex bro...

 

[getbulk]

bro, im going to try really hard to not give you a hard time but you have horrible numbers for your age and that's what you get for even using deca, especially using it an not knowing what your doing... you need to get your numbers in check before you consider running any other sort of cycle... your test is low for your age and you obviously know your other numbers are not good... what is your lh and fsh numbers? are you using any sort of ai or supplement right now?

Yeah I know the numbers are terrible, which is why I'm bustin my ass trying to get it right. Especially when I was aiming for 225 by the end of summer, will prob set the goal to 210 end of summer now 10LB natty gain.

LH: 4.0 mIu/mL
FSH 2.9 mIu/mL

Not taking any supplements at the moment. Just basic vitamins and good diet.

Man I would get on some caber to get that prolactin down ASAP. That's pretty damn high. DECA lingers forever which is where your high prolactin came from, and probably the main reason you haven't fully recovered. DECA really is a horrible choice for anyone that cycles

Will def be getting some Dostinex from AG Guys. How long should i take that for? Assuming bloods come back normalized can I jump back on cycle?

 

[dylangemelli]

i would run it at least 4 weeks bro and then get bloodwork and see where your at... after that, post again and we will get you set up for your next cycle... you MUST get these issues addressed... i would recommend running a few other things to get your test up as well... i would go with the unleashed/post cycle combo along with hcgenerate bro... run them 4 weeks along with dostinex... get your test levels up bro...

 

[getbulk]

i would run it at least 4 weeks bro and then get bloodwork and see where your at... after that, post again and we will get you set up for your next cycle... you MUST get these issues addressed... i would recommend running a few other things to get your test up as well... i would go with the unleashed/post cycle combo along with hcgenerate bro... run them 4 weeks along with dostinex... get your test levels up bro...

Always tough waiting when you have everything on hand . Will run the above mentioned and see where I'm at. You guys are always the best I have learned such a good deal from you all. Thanks!

 

[Nelson Montana]

As others are saying, the problem was the deca, not so much the PCT. PCT speeds recovery, but at this point, you should be recovered naturally anyway, so that's not the issue. Your prolactin is high and deca also increases progesterone. Your e is also oddly low. Sounds like there might be more going on here than we can gather.

 

[getbulk]

As others are saying, the problem was the deca, not so much the PCT. PCT speeds recovery, but at this point, you should be recovered naturally anyway, so that's not the issue. Your prolactin is high and deca also increases progesterone. Your e is also oddly low. Sounds like there might be more going on here than we can gather.

I'm not sure what it is then. Both doctor and endocrinologist said I am completely normal and just need time to recover properly. Endo is a family friend who i was able to discreetly speak about what I took and he just said I need time considering an ineffective PCT protocol. Then again, most these guys don't know anything about AAS.

 

[Elvia1023]

Your numbers aren't bad at all. Your estrogen is oddly low though and that could be due to various factors. I imagine if you ate well and remained off if you were tested again in about 6 weeks your numbers will be greatly improved. You are obviously recovering but it is taking longer due to what you used on cycle. You don't really need to use anything at this time but a dopamine agonist such as prami or caber would be useful.

 

[dylangemelli]

how can you say the test number is good at his age?? i don't follow that... that's really low for a 23 year old... i can't really gauge as to why the estrogen is so low, its quite strange but im sorry, that test level is really low... its not good at all...

 

[Elvia1023]

how can you say the test number is good at his age?? i don't follow that... that's really low for a 23 year old... i can't really gauge as to why the estrogen is so low, its quite strange but im sorry, that test level is really low... its not good at all...

Is number is very low for his age but I am taking into account he hasn't recovered form his cycle properly. But recovery will happen with more time. Many times people throw drugs at a problem when time could be just as much of a healer. Perhaps the deca has prolonged his suppression and that fact he never run a proper pct. All in all that number is not that bad taking everything into consideration. Moreover I can see it rising over the next few months.

He didn't have a baseline number so that makes things more awkward. But low test is low test so if he were tested again in say 2 months and the number was similar then we have a problem. As you say that number is terrible for a guy his age but there are lots of factors involved. I have seen guys which much lower numbers a few months post cycle. The reasons are always the same... either strong compounds used, no pct or taking too many hormonal aids in a pct delaying natural recovery.

I would give it more time and if his test doesn't elevate then look at drugs. A prolactin med wouldn't hurt though but that number is just over baseline and I am sure it will decline in time (seen it many times in post cycle bloodwork).

OP did you get your cortisol levels tested?

 

[dylangemelli]

Is number is very low for his age but I am taking into account he hasn't recovered form his cycle properly. But recovery will happen with more time. Many times people throw drugs at a problem when time could be just as much of a healer. Perhaps the deca has prolonged his suppression and that fact he never run a proper pct. All in all that number is not that bad taking everything into consideration. Moreover I can see it rising over the next few months.

He didn't have a baseline number so that makes things more awkward. But low test is low test so if he were tested again in say 2 months and the number was similar then we have a problem. As you say that number is terrible for a guy his age but there are lots of factors involved. I have seen guys which much lower numbers a few months post cycle. The reasons are always the same... either strong compounds used, no pct or taking too many hormonal aids in a pct delaying natural recovery.

I would give it more time and if his test doesn't elevate then look at drugs. A prolactin med wouldn't hurt though but that number is just over baseline and I am sure it will decline in time (seen it many times in post cycle bloodwork).

OP did you get your cortisol levels tested?

yes, i agree he has not fully recovered... this is why i don't like deca... ESPECIALLY on younger guys... i just could never imagine being in my early 20's and having issues that deca can bring... that just ruins everything about being that age... the recovery is far too long with deca... yes, if those numbers persist, it will be a big problem...

try the things i told you to try with test boosting and they should definitely help...

 

[Elvia1023]

yes, i agree he has not fully recovered... this is why i don't like deca... ESPECIALLY on younger guys... i just could never imagine being in my early 20's and having issues that deca can bring... that just ruins everything about being that age... the recovery is far too long with deca... yes, if those numbers persist, it will be a big problem...

try the things i told you to try with test boosting and they should definitely help...

I agree deca can cause certain issues in many. Most younger guys are probably best sticking to test and sensible oral usage. There are ways to prevent deca's negative effects though. Deca is actually my fav aas. Most guys would be best with NPP if they want to use nandrolone.

 

[getbulk]

I asked for a cortisol test but it was never ordered. My theory is that the elevated prolactin from the Deca is further suppressing my natural levels. With that in mind, perhaps simply lowering my prolactin would result in higher testosterone and in turn, higher estrogen as well. "Prolactin inhibits gonadotropin secretion and therefore suppresses the hypothalamic pituitary gonadal axis and the production of testosterone."

Will def post back here in a month or so w/ the results after Dostinex. I am a bit concerned however because I took a test from labcorp which read 497 Total test, the new test from doctor is 437. I know testosterone fluctuates but my paranoi only leads me to believe the worse.

 

[Elvia1023]

I asked for a cortisol test but it was never ordered. My theory is that the elevated prolactin from the Deca is further suppressing my natural levels. With that in mind, perhaps simply lowering my prolactin would result in higher testosterone and in turn, higher estrogen as well. "Prolactin inhibits gonadotropin secretion and therefore suppresses the hypothalamic pituitary gonadal axis and the production of testosterone."

Will def post back here in a month or so w/ the results after Dostinex. I am a bit concerned however because I took a test from labcorp which read 497 Total test, the new test from doctor is 437. I know testosterone fluctuates but my paranoi only leads me to believe the worse.

I would just keep it simple for now and add in the dopamine agonist and see what that does. I should have asked how is your libido and sexual performance? Are you basically ok or are you having issues? There are many herbal products that will give you a massive boost such as tribulus (most brands are shit so be careful who you choose). I would make sure you are taking in sufficient amounts of zinc too. I could go on for hours with supplements but just keep it simple. A good ZMA product pre bed would be useful.

Don't worry though as you will be fine and we are here to help you out if you need it. This is so common... I hear it every week.

 

[getbulk]

Libido fluctuates quite a bit and is definitely lacking but for the most part everything functions. Could definitely use a boost as I usually get off focus and then lose erectile strength. Gf has no idea so I guess that is good.

EDIT: On my phone so didn't see everything. I'm really good about my vitamins, especially zinc. What else can you recommend? Random erections, hitting it more than X2 a day, inexistent..

 

[dylangemelli]

Libido fluctuates quite a bit and is definitely lacking but for the most part everything functions. Could definitely use a boost as I usually get off focus and then lose erectile strength. Gf has no idea so I guess that is good.

EDIT: On my phone so didn't see everything. I'm really good about my vitamins, especially zinc. What else can you recommend? Random erections, hitting it more than X2 a day, inexistent..

hcgenerate es is perfect for this... its exactly what you want and unleashed/post cycle is going to help get your test levels much higher as well, along with hcgenerate... i think these are your best options... you could also add clomid as well... you don't want nolva because your prolactin is already high, so you could do dostinex, clomid, hcgenerate es and unleashed/post cycle 4 weeks...

 

[Elvia1023]

Libido fluctuates quite a bit and is definitely lacking but for the most part everything functions. Could definitely use a boost as I usually get off focus and then lose erectile strength. Gf has no idea so I guess that is good.

EDIT: On my phone so didn't see everything. I'm really good about my vitamins, especially zinc. What else can you recommend? Random erections, hitting it more than X2 a day, inexistent..

Sopharma Tribestan would be a good one. You can get that easily online.

We sell tadalafil (Cialis). That won't increase libido but it will give you amazing erections. It lasts nearly 2 days too. You just drink it and you are gtg. Similar to viagra but I get no side effects (I do with Viagra) and it lasts much longer. The difference will be huge I can assure you. It's only very cheap too. It will lower blood pressure so if you have low blood pressure that may be a concern. Otherwise you will be gtg with 1ml per day when you feel you need it(30ml per bottle).

 

[Nelson Montana]

Some Tribulus and DHEA may help increase estrogen to a healthier level.

 

[stevesmi]

you need 6 month minimum to recover from deca durabolin. MINIMUM.

your FSH is still lagging but overall I've seen worse numbers considering you ran no pct.

grab some T stack Rx. 1 cap per day will last you 3 months (see signature for discounts), and grab some caber.. and you will feel better.. re-test in 3 months. numbers will be better.

stay away from nandrolones.. guys under 30 should never touch any progestin IMHO. that includes tren too

low E is a problem but that will balance, this is why I would stay away from any SERM or AI and let your E get back up

 

[makaveli25]

Wow what a bunch of bs lol. Moderator saying deca is a terrible aas to run what a crock. Deca is one of the top 3 mass builders a person can use. It aromatizes less than testosterone. A lot of guys have issues because they believe in that crap that you have to double your test dose. That just brings more problems/issues. Next time use a moderate dose of test higher deca and some masteron.

And of course his blood work won't look perfect his body is still recovering. You make it sound like it's this scary urgent problem and then tell him to spend money on not one but 3 supplements.

And honestly what is the point in spending hundreds of dollars in pct. Why not run a half mil of test ew for ten weeks and then do your next cycle. You may "recover" after one or two cycles but after that your body isn't going to be the same unless you take a really long time off. If you really decide to quit then run all the pct you want. Why bother putting all those chemicals in your body when your just going to hop on a month or two later. Low dose test cheap safe effective. You will eventually end up on trt anyways. Most serious users do.

 

[ztanzanite]

Anyone heard from OP..?
There seems to be a mystery why deca does this to some people....... The low E2 result on his blood test is a reflection of his ACTUAL test level. It depends on the type of Testosterone blood test he took. After nandralone use the ONLY reliable test is a LC/MS test. The other option clearly states in the lab manual NOT TO TEST on a nandralone patient due to HIGH cross reactivity with testosterone. Ill be willing to guess that OP's DHT would be skewed the same as his E2 is. This is very misleading for some guys when coming off deca and relying on a lab result. 400 test levels is more than enough for a healthy libido and normal erictile function. I beleive his levels are lower than result states and is reflective in his E2 number, as E2 is a direct metabolite of testosterone, as is DHT. As someone stated above Op should look at his cortisol levels, and if possible both urine and plasma catacholamines. Prolactine and dopamione have an inverse relationship.... when one is high the other is low. All the test in the world and low dopamine poses a horrific problem for our sex drives and erections.....
IMO, Op has a few issues happening.... Lowered TT, LOW E2, Low DHT ( assumed), and reduced dopamine.
The best course has been stated above..... D2 Agonist until nandralone metabolites dissapate.
OP.... please update your thread.