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Thisguyalex

Thisguyalex

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I placed a good sized order from my usual place they shoted me, made good on it and eventually shipped me the rest. But I'm pretty sure it's all fake after 4 weeks of test c / deca / dbol at 300/300/40 I'm up a whopping 4.5 lbs and around 5lbs on my lifts. Last cycle of sust and dbol from same source same brands I was up 18lbs and 40+ lbs across the board on my lifts. Only thing left to do to prove it is bloods I did get gyno from this so far though any thoughts ? This source is praised all over the place on other boards.
 
Weren't u taking nolva and deca together? We all discussed that it would drop your estrogen to low and that's effecting your gains. I'm not saying your source is legit or not just bring that up
 
Been off nolva for at least 2and a half weeks and went through well over a hundred dbols my strength if nothing else should be at a ridiculous level right now
 
On one hand it'd be good to warn people about bad sources, but it opens up a pandoas box. Competitors can come on and start bashing the competition. And very often people are dissatisfied for reasons that have nothing to do with the quality of the product.

Your gripe doesn't even make sense. You said they were GTG, then you had a problem, then they corrected it, and sent you fake gear? Why? Why would a company that is profiting shoot themselves in the foot and ruin their reputation?

That's the long answer. The short answer is "no."
 
I have no idea I never had a problem in the past I even used the same brands from the source as well, this was the first time I ordered it personally though, I would always add in when a buddy ordered from them in the past
 
you can post a pic of the brand in the counterfeit section because you believe they are fake.

that would be the best course of action here. but if you aren't 100% sure you might want to hold off until you atleast get bloodwork done just to be fair so you don't end up looking foolish

nothing worse than bashing a brand only to find out they are actually g2g. i would feel guilty as hell doing that because its unfair to them

no talking about sources good or bad for the simple fact that we aren't a source board. there are other boards out there where you can do that, but thats not what EF is
 
That's the weird part I've used them in the past and they absolutely turned me into an animal and on this I should be blowing up like a balloon and getting strong as hell not more cut and slightly larger with no strength gains to speak of
 
You're probably still eating just like you were when you gained that 18 lbs. on your last cycle.

If so, how would you expect to keep gaining weight eating the same amount of food/cals?
 
Bout 1800 to 3500+ no carb 125-150g protein to 100+ Carb 200-250 protein and even stopped doing cardio entirely where as I was doing 30-45min ed
 
CaliRobK said:
You gained over 18lbs with no carbs, a half hour plus of cardio, and only 1800 calories per day?
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Yeah, I'm pretty amazed at that too.
 
Since no one has asked, what were your stats BEFORE and AFTER that cycle? (Height, Weight, Etc.)

I'm 6' 7" and right around 230lbs. (Not currently on cycle either), and at 2000 or so calories, am in an almost 400 calorie DEFICIT per day!
That being said, I think your diet is the issue, and not the gear.
 
Thisguyalex said:
Bout 1800 to 3500+ no carb 125-150g protein to 100+ Carb 200-250 protein and even stopped doing cardio entirely where as I was doing 30-45min ed
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bro how you expect to gain anything without carbs on your diet? carbs are essential part of a bodybuilders diet. if you wanna gain weight you are going to need to throw some sweet potatoes or rice on there. your diet is prob hindering your gains you cant live off chicken unless you are preparing for a show. cardio is good but no more than 20min 3x a week as warm up
 
Ya this doesn't seem to make sense but if it is bunk or underdosed....it is valuable for us to know...but seems like everyone has an agenda for something. ...I think u need to post blood work to help validate ur claim and to help any other future purchases from source

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I'm 5,3" 140 before 1st cycle 155 after all water out last cycle currently at 159.5 til I take a big dump then about 158.5
 
Unless you're a notorious hard gainer, you should have been EASILY able to put a good 40lbs on just from diet alone!!!
I'm going to say without a shadow of a doubt now, that your diet is 100% the issue. Even with your weight at 140lbs, 155lbs; you're flat out wasting gear. There's no kind way to say it or sugar coat it.
You're diet is what needs serious attention, not questioning your gear. I'm pretty sure everyone who's posted in this thread thus far is going to be in agreement with me as well.
 
I wouldn't label what you said as bashing, saying that usually they are gtg but you got a bunk order is just an opinion (or maybe a fact, couldn't tell without bloods).

I always think of bashing as "ZOMG DUDE THIS COMPANY IS SO BAD NOBODY EVER BUY FROM THEM"
 
jester72 said:
Unless you're a notorious hard gainer, you should have been EASILY able to put a good 40lbs on just from diet alone!!!
I'm going to say without a shadow of a doubt now, that your diet is 100% the issue. Even with your weight at 140lbs, 155lbs; you're flat out wasting gear. There's no kind way to say it or sugar coat it.
You're diet is what needs serious attention, not questioning your gear. I'm pretty sure everyone who's posted in this thread thus far is going to be in agreement with me as well.
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he is only 5 3.

but yeah he should have been able to put on more weight naturally.. maybe 10 or 15 pounds... 5 3 and 180 pounds for a natty guy is a lot. most of those guys are competing under 160 in bodybuilding competitions juiced to the gills.
 
jester72 said:
Unless you're a notorious hard gainer, you should have been EASILY able to put a good 40lbs on just from diet alone!!!
I'm going to say without a shadow of a doubt now, that your diet is 100% the issue. Even with your weight at 140lbs, 155lbs; you're flat out wasting gear. There's no kind way to say it or sugar coat it.
You're diet is what needs serious attention, not questioning your gear. I'm pretty sure everyone who's posted in this thread thus far is going to be in agreement with me as well.
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Are you fuking serious bro? Body weight mean jack shit, people like you always look at weight and not the height and bodyfat which is whats imortant, at 5"3 155lb is big if he's ripped, i've known few guys who were 6"2 190-200lb and they looked anorexic with 12" arms flat chested, yea in your case they should be a monster cause they WEIGH "200lb".
Im 5"7 175 lean and people think im over 200lb easily.
 
Lighter Fighter said:
Are you fuking serious bro? Body weight mean jack shit, people like you always look at weight and not the height and bodyfat which is whats imortant, at 5"3 155lb is big if he's ripped, i've known few guys who were 6"2 190-200lb and they looked anorexic with 12" arms flat chested, yea in your case they should be a monster cause they WEIGH "200lb".
Im 5"7 175 lean and people think im over 200lb easily.
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6'2" and 200lbs. is by no means a monster. It's not that big at all.
 
My arms are 16.5 inch dunno how big I am around the chest my quads not pumped are 23 I'm 15% or less body fat veins all over my arms have a 4 pack no love handles at all
 
stevesmi said:
he is only 5 3.

but yeah he should have been able to put on more weight naturally.. maybe 10 or 15 pounds... 5 3 and 180 pounds for a natty guy is a lot. most of those guys are competing under 160 in bodybuilding competitions juiced to the gills.
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Unless they're pros, then they are 200+ on stage, like David Henry, Flex Lewis, Kevin English, Jose Raymond, etc.
 
I'm only 172 in my avatar pic (precontest pic), and I'm 5'9". Weight doesn't mean shit. I'm WAY bigger and stronger now than I was when I was 205. At that weight I was a flabby mess.

Point being, telling someone to achieve a specific weight that constitutes a "base" is sending the wrong message. The average American does it all the time without touching a weight. Saying they should achieve a certain body composition is the right message.
 
idk...Greg isn't a big dude (ceo knows who Im talking about here) by any stretch but he's hardly a little guy..he's 6' 1" and is hovering a little over 200lbs right now.He's definitely not ripped to the bone but he has a tiny waist...also fairly girlie wrists and ankles but thats a whole nother convo.

He gets constant comments about his size from people...course these are people that don't lift, don't use gear of any kind...

the more I look at it...the more I think weight and height suck serious shit for an estimate all the way around. We all say BMI is crap but we always ask people weight and height (and usually bf to be fair)


take my avi for instance.. I'm 5'8" (not omega..I really do seem to have recovered an inch?? that I lost) and 170 lbs in that pic.
 
Samir Bannout (google a pic those of you who aren't familiar) won mr olympia in the early 80's and he was 5 6 and "ONLY" 195..

so i agree just going by how much someone weighs is unfair. and it works both ways. there was a dude on here who was 5 6 and 215 and claimed to be 12% body fat and I gave him shit about as I did not believe him that he weighed that much at that height without being very fat.. he posted a pic and i ate crow. he was built like a tank.

there are some 6 footers who are only 190 that i have seen that look 220-230.. why? cause their legs aren't developed enough even though they work them.. maybe just a shitty genetic thing but its something they gotta work on more. but i do notice a lot of the shorter dudes like me have enormous legs due to a lot of different factors. so OP you gotta hit your legs more.. should be an advantage at your height not a crutch.
 
^^ yeah, I totally agree with the legs thing

Gregs legs are hard as rocks..three quad heads show up ...he's actually building an ass again and they're still very small.
his back and arms build with zero effort. Again, he isn't huge by any stretch but he is very v-shaped.

I'm almost opposite...my legs get huge with almost no effort and I have to lay off working them to reign em in. I have to avoid anything having to do with traps because they are big anyway on me and my neck just looks shorter and shorter otherwise. My back I can't seem to build to save my effin life tho.
 
I really want to stay over 200 pounds.. its more of a psychological thing.. but like rick said at our heights if i want to step on stage i know i gotta get that shit down under 180 or even lower. even if it means sacrificing my love of powerlifting . i was an ecto all my life and weighed 115 pounds early in high school so its fun being big now and being called big lol and i love that

in that aspect I definately have a lot more maturing to do even at my age
 
about the only way to reliably say something is bunk is with labs


there are too many other factors at play.
 
shirlene29 said:
^^ yeah, I totally agree with the legs thing

Gregs legs are hard as rocks..three quad heads show up ...he's actually building an ass again and they're still very small.
his back and arms build with zero effort. Again, he isn't huge by any stretch but he is very v-shaped.

I'm almost opposite...my legs get huge with almost no effort and I have to lay off working them to reign em in. I have to avoid anything having to do with traps because they are big anyway on me and my neck just looks shorter and shorter otherwise. My back I can't seem to build to save my effin life tho.
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every tall person i know looks awkward when i watch them deadlift or squat.. and they bitch about their knees hurting.. i have NEVER had any problems with my knees.. i really think the taller you are the more prone you are to joint problems in the elbows and knees. it might be a good thing in basketball but its not an advantage in lifting
 
oh yeah, totally...

I really had to convince him to drop his weight wayyyyy down to "get in the hole"
plus he had a lot of hip and lower leg probs from the motorcycle accident.

He's really leggy.
 
deadlifting I can't watch him at all...his back roaches a little
and he gets pissed if I try and point it out.
 
stevesmi said:
every tall person i know looks awkward when i watch them deadlift or squat.. and they bitch about their knees hurting.. i have NEVER had any problems with my knees.. i really think the taller you are the more prone you are to joint problems in the elbows and knees. it might be a good thing in basketball but its not an advantage in lifting
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Ive never ran into knee pain squating at 6'0 but my elbows do give me hell
 
Evan Tipps said:
Ive never ran into knee pain squating at 6'0 but my elbows do give me hell
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you are only 17 man. keep in the back of your mind what I am telling you for the future.

6'0 isn't ridiculously tall luckily. i would say guys over 6 4 are gonna have major issues with elbows and knees
 
stevesmi said:
you are only 17 man. keep in the back of your mind what I am telling you for the future.

6'0 isn't ridiculously tall luckily. i would say guys over 6 4 are gonna have major issues with elbows and knees
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Yeah theres a guy at the gym thats like 6'5.. theres no hope for him squating/dling.. knees shoot everywhere when hes in the hole
 
I find at 6'0 I can squat pretty comfortably ass to grass, but I do have slight hip discomfort but I believe this is more due to dirtbiking accidents in the past youth. There's 2 taller fellows in my gym here that squat and I have a hard time watching because .. 1 their form is off and It's not my place to correct them, and .2 it looks like their knees are gonna blow out and i would rather not see this happen. I don't have too many joint issues at my height but I am only 26 and I use a ton of fish oils and glutamine , glucosamine and I take all precautions I can. Too much adex and I sound like a squeeky hardwood floor.
 
Guys, I'm apologizing for that last post. It was late when I wrote that, and completely forgot he was 5' 3"! For some reason I had 5' 9" in my head, but I see now I was dead wrong.
I'm in agreement with Steve though that he could have put another 15lbs on through diet alone.
 
stevesmi said:
every tall person i know looks awkward when i watch them deadlift or squat.. and they bitch about their knees hurting.. i have NEVER had any problems with my knees.. i really think the taller you are the more prone you are to joint problems in the elbows and knees. it might be a good thing in basketball but its not an advantage in lifting
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you must not know Konstantin Konstantinovs.



height is often an advantage in the DL.
 
Evan Tipps said:
Yeah theres a guy at the gym thats like 6'5.. theres no hope for him squating/dling.. knees shoot everywhere when hes in the hole
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he's doing it wrong.
 
ceo said:
you must not know Konstantin Konstantinovs.



height is often an advantage in the DL.
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nope never heard of him.. i really don't follow the sport very much, i just judge powerlifting competitions and its rare to see powerlifters who are tall. the last few i've done there wasn't anyone over 6 feet.. 5 8-5 9 is the majority of the heights that show up. i used to think it was because all the tall dudes were playing basketball or some other sport but over the years i've realized its a major advantage in both bodybuilding and powerlifting to be under 6 feet. occasionally you will get a tall dude show up and he is wrapped up like King Tut. he probably rubbed off all his cartilage in his knees from pounding away
 
My diet:
Meal 1 wake up 2-3 scoops of whey in iced coffee made in blender like a slushee
Meal 2 breakfast huge bowl of bran flakes with skim milk a ton of fruit and a scoop of casein on top
Gym time
Meal 3 post workout 2-3 scoops whey protein shake, fistful of almonds, 3 slices Ezekiel bread
Meal 4 casein shake 1 scoop tuna sandwich on Ezekiel bread made with fat free thousand island dressing
Meal5 dinner 8-10 oz. fish or chicken breast huge kale and raw broccoli salad fat free dressing
Bedtime: 1 scoop casein shake
 
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Where is your meat in there.... There is your problem man you eat like a lil kid not to mention you have close to 5 shakes a day... I was always taught don't worry about protein shakes there an addition try and get your daily protein in with real food have as little protein shakes as you can. Your kidneys will thank you later. You need to look up diets/go to a nutritionist and get a meal plan if your serious about gaining weight that won't do much man. If you want research food plans then when you have a better one post it up and people will tweak it for you
 
And my training I train 6 days a week each body part 2x a week except legs only 1x cuz I don't want them any bigger just to maintain the strength
Chest, arms, shoulders+ back, abs every day or chest tri, back bi, shoulders, abs every day alternating weeks some times ill do shoulders and tris together if I really kill myself on a chest day and I'm too worn out to effectively work my tri's as heavy as I want
 
RickRock13 said:
I'm only 172 in my avatar pic (precontest pic), and I'm 5'9". Weight doesn't mean shit. I'm WAY bigger and stronger now than I was when I was 205. At that weight I was a flabby mess.

Point being, telling someone to achieve a specific weight that constitutes a "base" is sending the wrong message. The average American does it all the time without touching a weight. Saying they should achieve a certain body composition is the right message.
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True dat. My dimensions are very skewed due to just natural heaviness (bones density I suppose, never broken one). I could tell you I'm 5'11" 225 lbs at 12% BF over the internet and you might think I was massive. I'm not. I'm a pretty big dude but I've certainly seen guys around my same dimensions that weigh less than 200. The thing that you should be focusing on before cycling is reducing BF% in order to combat estrogen sides and maximize gains and physique. A good base is relative and there is no way to tell for certain without pics.
 
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