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harryshotta2103

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Hey guys , my friends looking to run a 10 week test cycle (400mg a week), hes ran an oxys only cycle and a dbol only cycle in the past (dont ask me why), his hair is still on his head but is worried about loosing hair on his first test cycle , can any of you guys please shed some light in this issue?
 
Check into getting him some N2Shampoo

A new formula is about to come out. That shit stops hairloss quick
 
I started losing my hair about 6 months ago and I literally just started Nioxin Shampoo and the gel that goes on after you get out of the shower, so we shall see.
 
swooping said:
That n2shampoo wont help you at all. Best thing you can do is just getting on finasteride while on the cycle!!!
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Like bb said have you actually tried n2shampoo? I've seen lots of people benefit from it tremendously, and your the first to claim it didn't do anything.
 
I use n2 shampoo along with nioxin for thinning hair and nizoral 2%. alternate each day....i have thinning hair.... MPB and its holding onto everything i have for the past 2 years....im looking to try dutasteride but cannot get my hands on any....going to post if its allowed asking for a supplier of this hair loss product but n2shampoo holds what u got!
 
Well i did not even try it, but i looked at the ingredients and it wont help you at all. Fact is that when you will take most gear your dht levels will increase pretty damn big. If you are prone to androgenetic alopecia you will start losing hair, to counteract this your first and primarily defense is taking something like finasteride. The shampoo might help you with the appearance of your hair for sure. But believe me when your dht levels will skyrocket this shampoo wont prevent those hairs from falling out. And when the damage is done it's damn hard to regrow that hair again. What makes you guys think otherwise?

If you want to really go with a only shampoo go at least with one which has ketaconazole in it, which also has anti-androgenic properties. But to be honest you really need something like finasteride. But if you friend did not lose hair with dianabol he should be fine with test i think.
 
swooping said:
Well i did not even try it, but i looked at the ingredients and it wont help you at all. Fact is that when you will take most gear your dht levels will increase pretty damn big. If you are prone to androgenetic alopecia you will start losing hair, to counteract this your first and primarily defense is taking something like finasteride. The shampoo might help you with the appearance of your hair for sure. But believe me when your dht levels will skyrocket this shampoo wont prevent those hairs from falling out. And when the damage is done it's damn hard to regrow that hair again. What makes you guys think otherwise?

If you want to really go with a only shampoo go at least with one which has ketaconazole in it, which also has anti-androgenic properties. But to be honest you really need something like finasteride. But if you friend did not lose hair with dianabol he should be fine with test i think.
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The thing that makes me think otherwise is the fact that tons of guys have used n2shampoo with great success. Use the search feature on the forum and look at all the positive feedback from people. If you wanted to be safe you could take finasteride in addition to n2shampoo, but I'd try the shampoo first.
 
joeblow12345 said:
The thing that makes me think otherwise is the fact that tons of guys have used n2shampoo with great success. Use the search feature on the forum and look at all the positive feedback from people. If you wanted to be safe you could take finasteride in addition to n2shampoo, but I'd try the shampoo first.
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Well then they weren't prone to androgenetic alopecia in first place! If someone IS prone to androgenetic alopecia and he wants to be sure (i.e. if hes going on gear) to try to at least maintain, he needs to go on finasteride. This shampoo won't help you at all in that case.
 
Bullshit. I know you're new, but look around this site at all the success guys have had who have actually tried N2Shampoo.

You think I'm stupid enough to believe they are ALL the product of pure coincidence, and that ALL of them weren't in danger of losing hair while running a DHT to begin with?

Get real man.

By the way, I have been here awhile, seen hundreds and maybe thousands of guys come and go, and here's a tip: when someone has 6 posts, and they're all bashing products the poster has never even attempted to try, it never turns out well for the member, especially from a site sponsor who has tens of thousands of people who will attest to the effectiveness of every product they produce.
 
bigbassturd said:
Bullshit. I know you're new, but look around this site at all the success guys have had who have actually tried N2Shampoo.

You think I'm stupid enough to believe they are ALL the product of pure coincidence, and that ALL of them weren't in danger of losing hair while running a DHT to begin with?

Get real man.

By the way, I have been here awhile, seen hundreds and maybe thousands of guys come and go, and here's a tip: when someone has 6 posts, and they're all bashing products the poster has never even attempted to try, it never turns out well for the member, especially from a site sponsor who has tens of thousands of people who will attest to the effectiveness of every product they produce.
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This^^^. Like I said look around at all the feedback on n2shampoo. If it didn't work people wouldn't keep buying it, and it wouldn't be out of stock.
 
bigbassturd said:
Bullshit. I know you're new, but look around this site at all the success guys have had who have actually tried N2Shampoo.

You think I'm stupid enough to believe they are ALL the product of pure coincidence, and that ALL of them weren't in danger of losing hair while running a DHT to begin with?

Get real man.

By the way, I have been here awhile, seen hundreds and maybe thousands of guys come and go, and here's a tip: when someone has 6 posts, and they're all bashing products the poster has never even attempted to try, it never turns out well for the member, especially from a site sponsor who has tens of thousands of people who will attest to the effectiveness of every product they produce.
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Your being pure arrogant at the moment towards me. I'm not bashing the product. The thing i just stated is a fact, this shampoo won't help you at all from your hair falling out if you are prone to androgenetic alopecia. It might have some positive effects on the appearance and health for your hair though (scalp health,anti-inflammation). It is for sure better then using a normal shampoo or not a shampoo at all. Did you even read studies and journals about hairloss? Why do you think thousands of people who are prone to androgenetic alopecia are using finasteride daily to maintain their hair against the constant supply of hormonal stimulation (some with side effects)? Why do you think a company like cosmo is investing millions into cb-03-01 (read up on it) to get through the fda trials?

Not any of those ingredients in the shampoo have anti androgenic properties or are strong enough. If you think different about that, link me to the studies or trials?

Im just giving advice to the OP cause i know what damage can be done to your hair and trust me regrowing is harder then actually preventing your hair from falling out, cause your dermal papilla cells, melanocytes etc. might be allready indirectly affected.
 
"Significant growth suppression was found in hair follicles treated with 5 microg/ml testosterone. This was counteracted by caffeine in concentrations of 0.001% and 0.005%. Moreover, caffeine alone led to a significant stimulation of hair follicle growth. These results were confirmed immunohistochemically by Ki-67 staining."

"Androgenetic alopecia (AGA) is a common problem in men of all ages, affecting approximately 50% at 50 years of age. The underlying cause is an androgen-dependent miniaturization of genetically predetermined hair follicles. Here, the hair organ culture model was used to investigate the effects of testosterone and caffeine; the latter being a promising candidate for hair growth stimulation."

Effect of caffeine and testosterone on the pr... [Int J Dermatol. 2007] - PubMed - NCBI


N2 Shampoo contains Emu Oil as a carrier agent to help the Caffeine get right through the scalp.


Not only is there data to back N2 Shampoo, but there are tons of user reviews about N2 Shampoo all over the net. You have testing data and anecdotal proof from happy customers. I hope you are not so arrogant as to discount both those factors.

swooping said:
Your being pure arrogant at the moment towards me. I'm not bashing the product. The thing i just stated is a fact, this shampoo won't help you at all from your hair falling out if you are prone to androgenetic alopecia. It might have some positive effects on the appearance and health for your hair though (scalp health,anti-inflammation). It is for sure better then using a normal shampoo or not a shampoo at all. Did you even read studies and journals about hairloss? Why do you think thousands of people who are prone to androgenetic alopecia are using finasteride daily to maintain their hair against the constant supply of hormonal stimulation (some with side effects)? Why do you think a company like cosmo is investing millions into cb-03-01 (read up on it) to get through the fda trials?

Not any of those ingredients in the shampoo have anti androgenic properties or are strong enough. If you think different about that, link me to the studies or trials?

Im just giving advice to the OP cause i know what damage can be done to your hair and trust me regrowing is harder then actually preventing your hair from falling out, cause your dermal papilla cells, melanocytes etc. might be allready indirectly affected.
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Thanks BRR, I was actually looking for that exact article. I read it some time back on either EF or NTBM, I think you or Nate posted it.

There are several mainstream effective products similar to N2Shampoo that are advertised as 'caffiene shampoo' for the reasons outlined above.

And like BRR stated, the Emu oil magnifies the absorption rate through the thin scalp and into the follicles.

This is not new technology friend...
 
Big Rick Rock said:
"Significant growth suppression was found in hair follicles treated with 5 microg/ml testosterone. This was counteracted by caffeine in concentrations of 0.001% and 0.005%. Moreover, caffeine alone led to a significant stimulation of hair follicle growth. These results were confirmed immunohistochemically by Ki-67 staining."

"Androgenetic alopecia (AGA) is a common problem in men of all ages, affecting approximately 50% at 50 years of age. The underlying cause is an androgen-dependent miniaturization of genetically predetermined hair follicles. Here, the hair organ culture model was used to investigate the effects of testosterone and caffeine; the latter being a promising candidate for hair growth stimulation."


N2 Shampoo contains Emu Oil as a carrier agent to help the Caffeine get right through the scalp.
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I know caffeine has a stimulating effect on the rate of the hair growth. So does MSM to name one. It does not work like a anti- androgen though. Still wont stop the dht from binding to the dermal papilla cell of the hair follicle which will lead to hair loss if you are prone to it.

Bottom line is that the best defense for OP or other people worrying about hair loss when going on a cycle is to get on something like finasteride. For overall hair and scalp health the shampoo is good though.
 
This guy runs a website about hairloss from Steroids. I have never talked to him or know him and he has NEVER been paid a dime to do this vid. As a matter of fact, I found it just a few minutes ago for the first time.

Please check his other videos the guy is legit as they come. I disagree with him about using it on cycle, I think the study proves that the caffeine will be a great help during cycle.



Slice it how you will, the fact is people who use N2 Shampoo really do like it and feel they are gaining a noticeable positive effects from it.

swooping said:
I know caffeine has a stimulating effect on the rate of the hair growth. So does MSM to name one. It does not work like a anti- androgen though. Still wont stop the dht from binding to the dermal papilla cell of the hair follicle which will lead to hair loss if you are prone to it.

Bottom line is that the best defense for OP or other people worrying about hair loss when going on a cycle is to get on something like finasteride. For overall hair and scalp health the shampoo is good though.
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bigbassturd said:
Thanks BRR, I was actually looking for that exact article. I read it some time back on either EF or NTBM, I think you or Nate posted it.

There are several mainstream effective products similar to N2Shampoo that are advertised as 'caffiene shampoo' for the reasons outlined above.

And like BRR stated, the Emu oil magnifies the absorption rate through the thin scalp and into the follicles.

This is not new technology friend...
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Yeah examples are revita or regenepure DR ,and let me tell you they do have ketocozanole with tons of others ingredients. And even ketocozanole which is a mild anti-androgenic is not good enough to stop the hair loss.

Do you agree with me now?
 
swooping said:
Yeah examples are revita or regenepure DR ,and let me tell you they do have ketocozanole with tons of others ingredients. And even ketocozanole which is a mild anti-androgenic is not good enough to stop the hair loss.

Do you agree with me now?
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No, because I have actually used N2Shampoo, and it worked. I didn't just read the label and write it off as ineffective.

It completely stopped the shedding on a winstrol cycle.
 
@ big rock rock yeah i have seen his website before. Just to say btw he is also pretty outdated with his knowledge at his site but ok. Nonetheless he gives good advice though. Now lets see what he says as his plan, this is basically what he says;


Plan your cycle out (make sure your doctor approves).
Avoid overly androgenic steroids.
Review (Specific Steroids and Hair Loss) for a list of the best and worst steroids for hair loss.

Discuss and get a prescription for finasteride from your doctor.
You can get Propecia (1mg finasteride) or Proscar (5mg finasteride, much cheaper) and cut them into fourths with your doctor's approval. Finasteride will prevent hair loss from testosterone-based steroids.
See below (bottom of the page) for my thoughts on finasteride and the potential side effects.

Get a ketoconazole shampoo. Use it every day or every other day.
Ketoconazole is clinically proven to inhibit the synthesis of scalp DHT.
My only suggestion is Regenepure DR. (more info below)

Since 15% is no longer available, get a topical 5% minoxidil. Use it at least every 12-24 hours.
​This is the product I use in the morning is Lipogaine 5% Minoxidil w/ 5% Azelaic Acid.
Unlike generic minoxidil, Lipogaine isn't oily and dries super quick.
This is the BEST topical formula since Perfect Image's minoxidil was pulled by the FDA.

For even more protection from scalp DHT-
Get a 5 or 10% azelaic acid cream. Use it at every 24 hours.
Since minoxidil with azelaic acid has been discontinued - you have to buy it separately.
Azelaic acid is clinically proven to inhibit type 1 and type 2 DHT.
This has been working really well most guys.
My suggestion is Aziderm's 10 or 20% Azelaic Acid. The tube lasts for a pretty long time

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Isn't this EXACTLY the same as im saying? Btw just for the others hes stating dat azelaic acid inhibits dht but this is not particularly true.
 
bigbassturd said:
No, because I have actually used N2Shampoo, and it worked. I didn't just read the label and write it off as ineffective.

It completely stopped the shedding on a winstrol cycle.
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Well grats, you are not prone to androgenetic alopecia. The shampoo did help you with your hair health overall (growth, anti-inflammation etc), im not claiming otherwise. Lets say i would take winny and i would only use the n2shampoo i would be half bald within 2 cycles.

The first line of defense is just a strong anti-androgenic like finasteride or such.
 
swooping said:
Well grats, you are not prone to androgenetic alopecia. The shampoo did help you with your hair health overall (growth, anti-inflammation etc), im not claiming otherwise. Lets say i would take winny and i would only use the n2shampoo i would be half bald within 2 cycles.

The first line of defense is just a strong anti-androgenic like finasteride or such.
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Ntbm offers a money back guarantee on all their products. So you can try n2shampoo yourself and if it doesn't work you can get your money back. Obviously it's working or people would simply return it and never buy it again. What have you got to lose by trying it?
 
Best thing would be finasteride !!!!
But it wouldn't hurt to try the shampoo mentioned what ya got to lose...
 
joeblow12345 said:
Ntbm offers a money back guarantee on all their products. So you can try n2shampoo yourself and if it doesn't work you can get your money back. Obviously it's working or people would simply return it and never buy it again. What have you got to lose by trying it?
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Seriously don't you still get my point? People who are prone to Andronegetic alopecia or male patern baldness will have hair loss some time in their life. Taking gear will only accelerate this progress, to counter this you NEED a strong anti-androgen. In this case the shampoo won't help you at all.
 
Bottom line is everyone should use a good shampoo like n2shampoo or other sort-like if you care about your hair. Prone to androgenetic alopecia or not, it will help you with inflammation, scalp health and have a good appearance on your hair.

However for the people who ARE prone to androgenetic alopecia NEED a anti androgen like finasteride or they WILL lose hair. No shampoo will stop this.
 
swooping said:
Seriously don't you still get my point? People who are prone to Andronegetic alopecia or male patern baldness will have hair loss some time in their life. Taking gear will only accelerate this progress, to counter this you NEED a strong anti-androgen. In this case the shampoo won't help you at all.
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I don't think the op is trying to bash N2Sh, being ignorantly argumentative, or being a dick. From what I read, he is not outright dismissing the benefits of N2Sh from the countless users who have benefited by using it, including me. Clearly there are a synergy of ingredients in N2Sh, including the caffeine, that help minimize or stop hair loss for many but probably not all users. However, for men genetically prone to androgenic alopecia or mpb, the shampoo alone will likely not be enough and medication will likely have to be part of the treatment. I personally look forward to the new N2Sh.
 
swooping said:
Seriously don't you still get my point? People who are prone to Andronegetic alopecia or male patern baldness will have hair loss some time in their life. Taking gear will only accelerate this progress, to counter this you NEED a strong anti-androgen. In this case the shampoo won't help you at all.
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I agree that some cases may be to advanced for anything to prevent the inevitable, but I do think that products like n2shampoo and finasteride can slow the process. If your destined to be bald then its going to happen. I would try everything possible first before giving up.
 
joeblow12345 said:
I agree that some cases may be to advanced for anything to prevent the inevitable, but I do think that products like n2shampoo and finasteride can slow the process. If your destined to be bald then its going to happen. I would try everything possible first before giving up.
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Again i say and im going to repeat this. When you are prone to losing hair, no shampoo will prevent your hair for falling out. Basically the increased DHT will bind to your receptors of your dermal papilla and it will indirectly influence other cells of your hair and you hair will miniaturize. I wish there was a shampoo who would do it lol. U would be rich in no time ;). Thats why many people are on finasteride or dutasteride. Or topical strong anti androgens like ru58841 , cb-03-01.

Like i stated to you before none of the ingredients in the n2shampoo can counteract the increased DHT. So it wont halt hair loss. What makes you think the shampoo will stop elevated DHT levels to binding to the receptors?
 
so you lot saying even if you have lost hair, you may gain it back using these roducts? even if you have a bald atch or so on?
 
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