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dose squats become so much easier with a belt?

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tank-with-full-amunition

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I never used a belt before...last night was my first time...I was all tired just woke up and got done drinking my coffee....so I head to the gym and do 2 sets of 275 for 12 reps after warming up...I noticed that it got easier than my last squats workout so I decided to do a third set since I usually only do 2...so I asked my friend personal trainer to spot me just in case so he tolled me to use a belt....so I said ok...I put on the belt and start walking towards the squat rack like a sheep walking towards the slaughter house...I thought I was gonna struggle so bad my heart was pounding....so I jump in...and it was so much easier than the previous 2 sets....I just kept going with no rests like it was nothing till I got to 10 reps than I took a few deep breaths and finished it off

should I always use a belt and work my way up?
will my squats with out a belt still improve doing that?
 
tank-with-full-amunition said:
I never used a belt before...last night was my first time...I was all tired just woke up and got done drinking my coffee....so I head to the gym and do 2 sets of 275 for 12 reps after warming up...I noticed that it got easier than my last squats workout so I decided to do a third set since I usually only do 2...so I asked my friend personal trainer to spot me just in case so he tolled me to use a belt....so I said ok...I put on the belt and start walking towards the squat rack like a sheep walking towards the slaughter house...I thought I was gonna struggle so bad my heart was pounding....so I jump in...and it was so much easier than the previous 2 sets....I just kept going with no rests like it was nothing till I got to 10 reps than I took a few deep breaths and finished it off

should I always use a belt and work my way up?
will my squats with out a belt still improve doing that?
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Yes squating with a belt makes it possible to do more weight then normal but it should not be used unless you are doing a powerlifting meet, the reason I say this is it functions as a crutch and weakens your lower back and its stabilizer muscles thus making you more prone to injury
Your squats will improve without the belt it is just going to take some patience and drive, sometimes I find it helps to switch to very high rep squats (ie 16-20) and do a couple sets of those for 2 weeks then go back to heavier, does the job in regards to busting through a plateau
 
infraredline said:
Yes squating with a belt makes it possible to do more weight then normal but it should not be used unless you are doing a powerlifting meet, the reason I say this is it functions as a crutch and weakens your lower back and its stabilizer muscles thus making you more prone to injury
Your squats will improve without the belt it is just going to take some patience and drive, sometimes I find it helps to switch to very high rep squats (ie 16-20) and do a couple sets of those for 2 weeks then go back to heavier, does the job in regards to busting through a plateau
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definitely for sure high reps can get u stronger if u eat right
I have never gotten stronger from high reps till I started carb cycling...and am only eating 1700 calories too...before I started carb cycling I use to eat everything and just lift heavy for 5 reps to get stronger
 
I disagree some..I can do basically the same weight with or without a belt, a lot of that is in your breathing.. And when squatting I'm not concentrating on my lower back, I do that on back days. I were a belt starting at 405lb for support as at higher weights risk of injury is high and gonna happen.
 
Gorilla-Pharma said:
I disagree some..I can do basically the same weight with or without a belt, a lot of that is in your breathing.. And when squatting I'm not concentrating on my lower back, I do that on back days. I were a belt starting at 405lb for support as at higher weights risk of injury is high and gonna happen.
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when I go back to heavier weights with low reps am gonna start wrapping my knees and will only use a belt if I know that am not gonna be able to get the full set
 
What kind of belt was it?
I find that a real powerlifting belt can make a squat easier (thick stiff belt, full 4 inch width all the way around). Cheap flimsy belts that are narrow in front and wide in the back do little, if anything.

A good belt adds leverage particularly when trying to explode off the bottom.

A belt helps to reduce the stress on your spine by decreasing the cross sectional area of your abdomen and increasing intra-abdominal pressure. Always using a belt can weaken the supporting muscles, but a belt for heavy low rep sets is a good idea and can make back injury less likely. My philosophy is to strengthen your core and supporting muscles with lighter, higher rep sets, and use the belt for heavy sets, ie, max effort and around 4 reps or less.
 
Gorilla-Pharma said:
Ya I've gotten nose bleeds from deads, squats, and decline bench. I think it actually made me feel embarrassed to tell ya the truth.
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that never happened to me but I almost passed out once doing t bar dead lifts with very little weight....I was trying to keep up with my friend who was way advanced than I am...after that incident I was afraid to do legs because I was on the ground couldn't move and all my muscles from my lower back to my neck was so tight with sooo much pain with a huge headache and couldn't breath....I still remember the feeling....I dont know how I got to the house than all that just suddenly disappeared when I drank creatine
 
Headholio said:
What kind of belt was it?
I find that a real powerlifting belt can make a squat easier (thick stiff belt, full 4 inch width all the way around). Cheap flimsy belts that are narrow in front and wide in the back do little, if anything.

A good belt adds leverage particularly when trying to explode off the bottom.

A belt helps to reduce the stress on your spine by decreasing the cross sectional area of your abdomen and increasing intra-abdominal pressure. Always using a belt can weaken the supporting muscles, but a belt for heavy low rep sets is a good idea and can make back injury less likely. My philosophy is to strengthen your core and supporting muscles with lighter, higher rep sets, and use the belt for heavy sets, ie, max effort and around 4 reps or less.
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I dont know it was my first time using a belt
 
Headholio said:
What kind of belt was it?
I find that a real powerlifting belt can make a squat easier (thick stiff belt, full 4 inch width all the way around). Cheap flimsy belts that are narrow in front and wide in the back do little, if anything.

A good belt adds leverage particularly when trying to explode off the bottom.

A belt helps to reduce the stress on your spine by decreasing the cross sectional area of your abdomen and increasing intra-abdominal pressure. Always using a belt can weaken the supporting muscles, but a belt for heavy low rep sets is a good idea and can make back injury less likely. My philosophy is to strengthen your core and supporting muscles with lighter, higher rep sets, and use the belt for heavy sets, ie, max effort and around 4 reps or less.
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I believe it was the cheap one...I just found a picture of it on google and tried to post the link but I cant till I get 25 posts


lol I was exploding at the bottom and going fast that my spotter started telling me to go slower so my last few reps was a nice 2 second pause...I am so motivated right now lol
 
i think if your weak point is in your abs and lower back the belt helps out alot because the belt helps the lowerback/abs stabilise. if your weakpoint is your legs then it will help but not as much.

learn how to use a belt and then never use them again until a competition. training should be done raw.
 
I have a very thick powerlifting belt. I use it on squats/deads. But also I thought I was developing a hernia so I use it prettymuch all the time now. I don't see anything wrong with wearing a belt on squats, You should train your lower back some directly so I don't see it making you as fragile as some say.
 
Belt is a crutch. I may use a belt a few times a year on max attempts. But for the most part it's no belt, no wraps, no spotter. High bar and atg.
 
I work out in saudi arabia right now.....and u never see anybody squatting or dead lifting....no body has legs...even the huge guys that already took every drug in the pharmacy that they have no more drugs to grow off of....u find guys with HUGE upper bodies but no legs...its almost like a Photoshopped picture...and the ones that do have legs speak fluent English with a good accent...and when u go to a gym with allot of branches with lots of newbeis...strangers just come and spot u with out u even asking them...they fuk up ur set it gets u pissed...they curl the bar for u...I once yelled at a personal trainer that looked like he never lifted in his life...than when I apologized to him he said....my father use to train the Egyptian army WTFFFFF I didnt even respond to him I just let it go...right now I workout at a privately owned gym where ppl inject their biceps in the looker room infront of everybody with allot of huge guys...but still no legs...ppl keep telling me to use a belt when I squat...but I just tell them I don't like to...than we just ignore each other....which is a good thing...and ppl dont just come and spot u without asking them which is another good thing
 
i did comp. powerlifting and a belt really helps...im talking like a legit 10mm or 13mm belts
i used a 10mm
but i didnt use it every rep just when Id it heavy reps anf it deffffffffff. helps but takes a whilr to break in

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than when I was working out I was thinking maybe that Egyptians father that had his soldiers lift weights was so they can torture the citizens...that's the only explanation....shit I mean why else would u let your soldiers lift weights?
and that egyptian personal trainer a few months ago started loading up on gear and all his shit was from global anabolics so I asked him if his lifts was going up so I can get an idea on how good the brands he has...than he tells me...well I dont have time to workout and eat and I dont really pay attention on how much I lift but I know am getting tighter.....BIG WTFFFFF....the dude bought EVERYTHING...he bought all the compounds and is taking all of it and all kinds of supplements that u never heard of its fuking insane...and the dude never heard of HCG clomid and nothing...he has never taking a PCT in his life
 
tank-with-full-amunition said:
I work out in saudi arabia right now.....and u never see anybody squatting or dead lifting....no body has legs...even the huge guys that already took every drug in the pharmacy that they have no more drugs to grow off of....u find guys with HUGE upper bodies but no legs...its almost like a Photoshopped picture...and the ones that do have legs speak fluent English with a good accent...and when u go to a gym with allot of branches with lots of newbeis...strangers just come and spot u with out u even asking them...they fuk up ur set it gets u pissed...they curl the bar for u...I once yelled at a personal trainer that looked like he never lifted in his life...than when I apologized to him he said....my father use to train the Egyptian army WTFFFFF I didnt even respond to him I just let it go...right now I workout at a privately owned gym where ppl inject their biceps in the looker room infront of everybody with allot of huge guys...but still no legs...ppl keep telling me to use a belt when I squat...but I just tell them I don't like to...than we just ignore each other....which is a good thing...and ppl dont just come and spot u without asking them which is another good thing
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I recommend you go back to third grade and learn about periods, paragraphs, and that kind of shit. Dose you agree?
 
Please let's not get personal. He doesn't speak English. Most foreigners use online translators and that can make maters worse. There is one super badass on this forum that has grammar and punctuation issues whom would not appreciate your post. So please on the aas forum lets treat each other with respect.


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goin on 4T said:
Please let's not get personal. He doesn't speak English. Most foreigners use online translators and that can make maters worse. There is one super badass on this forum that has grammar and punctuation issues whom would not appreciate your post. So please on the aas forum lets treat each other with respect.


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*matters :)

Where do you get that? My impression is that he is not a foreigner, and English is not his second language, and this was not written by an on-line translator. It looks like a good understanding of the English language mixed in with a lazy attitude that will not punctuate, capitalize, complete sentences or follow the other basic rules of written English.

If I am wrong, Tank can correct me, and I gladly apologize to Mr. Tank. My comment, although excessively juvenile, was intended not only to improve the reading experience of all members, but to help Mr. Tank to be understood and respected when he posts.

And again, I know a little about the look of writing of non-native speakers and do not see it here. I see I guy who can do better, if he applies himself.

But yeah, I forgot I wasn't in chat :)
 
goin on 4T said:
Please let's not get personal. He doesn't speak English. Most foreigners use online translators and that can make maters worse. There is one super badass on this forum that has grammar and punctuation issues whom would not appreciate your post. So please on the aas forum lets treat each other with respect.


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Am actually a Saudi American that lived most of my child hood in Saudi. Than moved in to the states and stayed there for almost a decade. I didn't give a shit about school in the states and I was out of control. So I learned my English in the streets.When I use to get in trouble in school and had to convince the principle that it wasn't my fault. I would accidentally say shit or fucking or I was chilling. Than right after wards I would say...OPS sorry...but I would still end up in more trouble. Since all my choice of friends were Mexican wanna be gangsters.

Was this better?
 
headholio said:
*matters :)

where do you get that? My impression is that he is not a foreigner, and english is not his second language, and this was not written by an on-line translator. It looks like a good understanding of the english language mixed in with a lazy attitude that will not punctuate, capitalize, complete sentences or follow the other basic rules of written english.

If i am wrong, tank can correct me, and i gladly apologize to mr. Tank. My comment, although excessively juvenile, was intended not only to improve the reading experience of all members, but to help mr. Tank to be understood and respected when he posts.

And again, i know a little about the look of writing of non-native speakers and do not see it here. I see i guy who can do better, if he applies himself.

But yeah, i forgot i wasn't in chat :)
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يا قرد اخذ ترنبولون
 
tank-with-full-amunition said:
Am actually a Saudi American that lived most of my child hood in Saudi. Than moved in to the states and stayed there for almost a decade. I didn't give a shit about school in the states and I was out of control. So I learned my English in the streets.When I use to get in trouble in school and had to convince the principle that it wasn't my fault. I would accidentally say shit or fucking or I was chilling. Than right after wards I would say...OPS sorry...but I would still end up in more trouble. Since all my choice of friends were Mexican wanna be gangsters.

Was this better?
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Yes it was better. I knew you could do it. Taking the time to write correctly will get more people to listen to what you have to say. So Please take no offense at my comments. 4T was right, and I said I would apologize, and I do.

But I also can see that your knowledge of English is very good if you would make the effort.
 
headholio said:
yes it was better. I knew you could do it. Taking the time to write correctly will get more people to listen to what you have to say. So please take no offense at my comments. 4t was right, and i said i would apologize, and i do.

But i also can see that your knowledge of english is very good if you would make the effort.
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انا لا اريد ترنبولون انا اشرب حليب الابل وهذه تكفيني
 
headholio said:
yes it was better. I knew you could do it. Taking the time to write correctly will get more people to listen to what you have to say. So please take no offense at my comments. 4t was right, and i said i would apologize, and i do.

But i also can see that your knowledge of english is very good if you would make the effort.
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و اكل تمور بعد التمرين للاينسولين و افعل خمره من التمور لاستمتع الخمره السعوديه
 
headholio said:
yes it was better. I knew you could do it. Taking the time to write correctly will get more people to listen to what you have to say. So please take no offense at my comments. 4t was right, and i said i would apologize, and i do.

But i also can see that your knowledge of english is very good if you would make the effort.
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اخر جمله
وسوف أشرب الحليب أيضا القرد ما اذا كان يمكنني مطاردة لك
 
Put his ass in timeout...I hate trolls. They are just to fucking ugly to look at and real squarely at the gym. Can't stand trolls. Probably got his weight belt at baby gap.
 
welcome back saudi boy!!

nice to see you are on your best behavior, well atleast until page 3 of this thread. now be a good boy so we don't have to ban this new alter okay? thanks

and my opinion is belts, straps, gloves, all that shit should be left to the newbs who work out once a week.. i laugh when i see guys with huge beer guts who come to the gym once a week walking around with their belt on with their flab hanging over it and their chest wide like a peakcock showing off their featherage. the exceptions being if you are a powerlifter or trying to max out or something.

but as said already those are all crutches and you don't want to get used to using those things in the long run.

the ONLY thing i take with me to the gym is my music ear plugs and my water. thats it.
 
Shit Steve that makes me feel like pussy then, I use a belt on heavy squat days. I'm looking to try hitting 700 this next year. But I think ill leave it in the truck now.LOL

Note: only 100lbs to go but think its doable.
 
^^^ honestly i used to powerlift in my younger days. I used a belt ONLY during meets for my 3 clean and jerks. the next year my coach had us all read an article about the negatives to using a belt so i stopped using it and my lifts got better even though I competed in the same weight class.. take that for what its worth.. haven't used a belt since.. and i will go very heavy for squats and deads sometimes

has nothing to do with being a pussy or not. i get asked all the time in the gym by guys if i would like to borrow their belt when i do squats. I turn them down and they look at me funny like 'how could you do that much weight with no belt!!'
 
I'm not doubting your expertise I imagine ill be selling it soon as I'm going to be doing some training with the president of the UPA. I imagine from what you said him and the guys he trains all do not.
 
I hate when older guys say...o I squat 1000 I this I that....well buddy...u have more years under your belt....
just 7-9 months ago I weighed 205...slimmed down to 178 and squatted 225 for 5 reps...right now I weigh 190...I was heavier a week ago when I smoked hashish but now am back down to 190 and I squated 275 for 12 reps....next week am gonna add 10 pounds since we only have kilos
but anyway now my front squats use to be my back squats and thats a good progress...I can see myself adding another 100 pounds on my squats the next few months for reps easy and still stay below 200 pounds :)
 
stevemi u remind me of my Lebanese co worker that has a huge GH gut and gyno but never admits to using.....he would tell me....my body is just like that..naturally...I just take protein amino creatine c4 and thats it....I eat everything fat sugar...my body is just like this naturally.....but I ask him where to find GH...he has ALL the information lol and every time I pass by him and he is in a bad day or tired he gos like...hffffff...I ran out of everything......
 
and u guys have to remember...I didnt start this....I was polite the whole time than mr.grammar police started acting all smart...do u know what I think of smart asses who act all superior to everybody else...they have a butt plug up there ass
 
am surprised that a lebanese mother fucker can talk like this to a saudi....but anything is possible on the internet...over here we round them up and have them stand against the wall blind folded...they have no where to hide Saudi Arabia owns the Lebanese army...we will make bashar look like an angel...a leader that came down from the sky
 
tank-with-full-amunition said:
am surprised that a lebanese mother fucker can talk like this to a saudi....but anything is possible on the internet...over here we round them up and have them stand against the wall blind folded...they have no where to hide Saudi Arabia owns the Lebanese army...we will make bashar look like an angel...a leader that came down from the sky
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ROTFLMAO.

this has got to be the funniest shit i have ever read. i'm literally in tears. where is alcatraz to see this?

woot you gotta save this to show him. i think he will get a kick out of it.
 
stevesmi said:
ROTFLMAO.

this has got to be the funniest shit i have ever read. i'm literally in tears. where is alcatraz to see this?

woot you gotta save this to show him. i think he will get a kick out of it.
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im dying hahahahahahahahahahaah
 
tank-with-full-amunition said:
am surprised that a lebanese mother fucker can talk like this to a saudi....but anything is possible on the internet...over here we round them up and have them stand against the wall blind folded...they have no where to hide Saudi Arabia owns the Lebanese army...we will make bashar look like an angel...a leader that came down from the sky
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U mad bro?


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bigbassturd said:
Enjoy being blacked out asshole.

You might have a good Army in Saudi, but here at EF, bigbassturd does the bombing.

Fuck off.
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of course we are u should just see what we do to drug smugglers that take us to a high speed chase....we have no trees around we can just lift there car high up in the air using a helicopter....and when they jump out the car we just release the car right behind them....
right now we are buying weapons and training like never before....we are ready to kick some ass....the only advantage Lebanon and Syria has against us is that they have tunnels under ground that date back to 3000BC...but we have rockets that can penetrate the ground before it explodes...we are armed and ready...and for Iran the one that keeps feeding those countries are being studied and we are watching there every movement
 
saudi-power said:
of course we are u should just see what we do to drug smugglers that take us to a high speed chase....we have no trees around we can just lift there car high up in the air using a helicopter....and when they jump out the car we just release the car right behind them....
right now we are buying weapons and training like never before....we are ready to kick some ass....the only advantage Lebanon and Syria has against us is that they have tunnels under ground that date back to 3000BC...but we have rockets that can penetrate the ground before it explodes...we are armed and ready...and for Iran the one that keeps feeding those countries are being studied and we are watching there every movement
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Even back in 3000 BC, you would have been considered stupid.
 
Wait, saudiboy is back? Subscribed. He ranks right behind criminal10bitch for greatest number of head-shaking posts. Let me get my popcorn.

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^^^ I really don't care what you said man.

I was born and raised in the states. parents were from lebanon, been there once in my life.. and besides what you said made no sense since Lebanon is a neutral country like Switzerland. but no big deal, we see ignorance online all the time with all kinds of things so if i were to correct everything i would have a full time job doing that
 
stevesmi said:
^^^ I really don't care what you said man.

I was born and raised in the states. parents were from lebanon, been there once in my life.. and besides what you said made no sense since Lebanon is a neutral country like Switzerland. but no big deal, we see ignorance online all the time with all kinds of things so if i were to correct everything i would have a full time job doing that
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k thanx bro and just to let u know I don't hate Lebanese ppl....my mom is engaged to a Lebanese and I trust him more than all the Saudi guys over here
 
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