Debate on oral- vs IM-steroids

[easynote]

Hi guys!
Okay, I've been reading alot, but can't seem to figure this one out..
If you wanna run a cycle, and ALL you take in consideration is how safe the cycle would be.
1. What steroid would you run?
2. At what dose? (Of course, a realistic dose.)
I'm kind of stuck between primo only, test only or anavar only. It would be fun to see you guys opinion on this.

And yeah, this is just hypotetical, I'm in the starting phase of learning about steroids (also studying medicine, so really do think that the subject is interesting!).

 

[Headholio]

Orals are harder on your liver.

 

[jondale123]

test 500mg's every week

 

[easynote]

So test only is actually safer than anavar or primo only, you say?

 

[jondale123]

Yes you already have test in your system so its not a new hormone to your body. May not be bioidentical but it is something men produce. And I feel for the best results test is the way to go.

 

[easynote]

Okey, interesting.
Yeah, sure.. I definitely agree that test only would give better results than primo or anavar. I've just been under the impression that testo could give you harsher sides than primo or anavar, but I do think you have a good point.

 

[Jack steel]

Fuck 500mg, stick to 200-300 a week and you'll still grow a lot. Don't kick it that high so soon.

 

[stevesmi]

primo would be the safest in terms of sides and suppression.

var would be #2, it is hard on the liver but the sides are minimal

test is very suppressive and at 500mg a week if its legitely dosed its gonna give you plenty of sides especially since its aromatizes, so make sure you run an AI with it

primo should be run 14 weeks minimum and you should stack a little test with it to give it a kick.. i'm thinking 500mg primo and 200mg test a week would work.
stop the test at week 12 and run the primo till week 14.

make sure you run all proper ancillaries and pct..

 

[Texas Monster]

primo would be the safest in terms of sides and suppression.

var would be #2, it is hard on the liver but the sides are minimal

test is very suppressive and at 500mg a week if its legitely dosed its gonna give you plenty of sides especially since its aromatizes, so make sure you run an AI with it

primo should be run 14 weeks minimum and you should stack a little test with it to give it a kick.. i'm thinking 500mg primo and 200mg test a week would work.
stop the test at week 12 and run the primo till week 14.

make sure you run all proper ancillaries and pct..

Disagree on Var beeing number 2. Var is very harsh on the lipids.

 

[infraredline]

What about tbol and helladrol?

 

[goin on 4T]

What about tbol and helladrol?

Those are about as harsh a drug next to teen as there is.
Worst for the body v


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[infraredline]

Those are about as harsh a drug next to teen as there is.
Worst for the body v


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I meant in terms of suppression

 

[goin on 4T]

I meant in terms of suppression

My interperatation of safe is sides and suppression. Just my 2c.


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[Nelson Montana]

To address the original point, mr per mg , most oral;s are stronger than most injectables.

 

[goin on 4T]

To address the original point, mr per mg , most oral;s are stronger than most injectables.

But are they safer?


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[infraredline]

My interperatation of safe is sides and suppression. Just my 2c.


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[joeblow12345]

No steroid is safe. It doesn't matter which one you use it carries risks. You have to decide whether or not to take that risk.


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[dylangemelli]

helladrol is very light on sides and suppression... it is one of the lightest orals on sides i have ever encountered... i agree with steve though that primo is the lightest in terms of sides with suppression included in the discussion... anavar is overlooked on its harshness... there is a serious misinterpretation on it that makes it seem weak or not harsh... this is far from the truth... it can definitely increase bp and its definitely harsh on the liver and lipids... ive seen a lot of guys get big shutdown on it... some more than others but to act as though its very light is wrong... pretty much any steroid can cause suppression but some will obviously cause a lot more than others... test does not need to be ran at 500 mg to be effective... thats a huge misconception... 350 is a great spot... running it with other things at proper doses is what makes everything shine... test makes everything bettter...

 

[RADAR]

No oral is safer as it has to be metabolised thru the liver ,unlike injectable.

 

[stevesmi]

Disagree on Var beeing number 2. Var is very harsh on the lipids.

test at moderate to high doses is just as hard on them. thats why i recommended he run test at a low dose along with primo

of all the orals var is probably the safest, but since some guys insist on running it at ridiculous doses out of impatience it gets a bad rep.

i gurantee if you run var at 50mg a day vs. lets say beastdrol or dbol at 30mg a day the var would be way less sides and if you ran a metabolic panel you would get less issues show up

the worst oral i ever ran was winny.. my hairline took a beating and i started getting headaches, it makes tren look safe

 

[stevesmi]

I meant in terms of suppression

gotta say this in your original post man.. when you come on here and say safest i automatically think of the lipids and the organ health.

its all relative to how long you run your AAS. even primo run for a long period of time is gonna suppress. all AAS suppress in the end. thats why you run the right ancillaries and have a gold PCT ready.

but in terms of suppression running test at 500mg a week like most guys do is extremely suppressive and don't let anyone fool you into thinking its not.. hell there is a guy on here who just started a test only cycle for the first time who has a thread up and his LH and FSH are at 0 already and he is ONLY on week 3!!

 

[Cali72]

Hi guys!
Okay, I've been reading alot, but can't seem to figure this one out..
If you wanna run a cycle, and ALL you take in consideration is how safe the cycle would be.
1. What steroid would you run?
2. At what dose? (Of course, a realistic dose.)
I'm kind of stuck between primo only, test only or anavar only. It would be fun to see you guys opinion on this.

And yeah, this is just hypotetical, I'm in the starting phase of learning about steroids (also studying medicine, so really do think that the subject is interesting!).

Primo only will be my choice.
Primo has the least suppression at low to moderate doses.
It is very close to being an ideal steroid if there is such a thing.
Oh and 300mg/week will do the trick if its legit pharma grade of course.

 

[rich_89]

None are 'safe' in the sense i think you are suggesting OP. All have pros and cons. You just have to have the knowledge and the brains to cycle correctly and deal with those sides.

 

[easynote]

Really interesting to see your thoughts on this, and it seems like there's some confusion on which is actually the best (best in this situation meaning safest). I see someone may think I just meant when it comes to supression, but I meant when considering everything, except results. So liver, kidneys,lipids,supression.. you name it. And this is not a thread where I want advise on what to run. I have no intention of doing steroids yet (I'm 20), and if I where to do so I would def do a test only cycle. I just want to learn.
I also see that a guy in here said "I meant in terms of supression". Well, I (OP) did certainly not mean just in terms of supression.

One more question: Many people seem to be under the impression that oral only is bad news for your body when it comes to sides. Why is an oral only worse than an oral with test added? If you don't think about libido, of course.

 

[Headholio]

Why is an oral only worse than an oral with test added? If you don't think about libido, of course.

I don't think that's true, and I don't think anyone said that. Adding test to an oral certainly wouldn't make it safer, unless maybe the test would allow a lower dose of the oral.

 

[easynote]

I don't that's true, and I don't think anyone said that. Adding test to an oral certainly wouldn't make it safer, unless maybe the test would allow a lower dose of the oral.

Hehe, I didn't mean people in this discussion, but every guy juicing where I live seems to mean this. (Btw, there's alot of guys who's only 15-17 around here who's on.. Sick trend.)

 

[Headholio]

Hehe, I didn't mean people in this discussion, but every guy juicing where I live seems to mean this. (Btw, there's alot of guys who's only 15-17 around here who's on.. Sick trend.)

That is a sick trend, and part of the problem is the ease of getting the legal roids on the internet. I know it sucks that all these favorite roids like beastrol get banned, but the problem is that kids are buying the stuff. My son is a teenager and there are lots of kids from the football team buying that exact type of stuff. So I know banning takes away peoples freedom of choice, but it also helps curb this growing problem.