So What Do You Think About Romney's Taxes Being Stolen

[musclemom]

Stunt? Bluff? Ruse?? Phishing?

Seriously, all I can think is: WHAT'S THE BIG FUCKING DEAL, DUDE?!? Publish it and get it over with. The fact you want to conceal your own financial facts just makes me wonder what about the U.S. finances you wouldn't tell us about if you got into office. I mean, seriously, we already know you're rich, what's another $100 million more or less?

Mitt?s coveted tax returns hacked? Feds investigateextortion stunt - NY Daily News

The Secret Service is investigating a bizarre shakedown scheme that hinges on some of the world's most coveted documents: Mitt Romney's tax returns.

In messages posted online and mailed to political offices in Williamson County, Tenn., an anonymous party claims to have stolen the digital files from a nearby office of accounting firm PricewaterhouseCoopers, according to the Nashville City Paper.

The word "Republican" was misspelled on that party's missive, the paper reported.

With the letters, the perp or perps included computer thumb drives they claim contain the documents, encrypted for secrecy.

The extorter demands a $1 million payoff via one of two online payment addresses, one for release of the encryption codes, the other for keeping the documents under wraps.

Whichever account reaches $1 million first wins. If neither does by Sept. 28, the purported returns would be released.

Secret Service spokesman Ed Gillespie confirmed his agency is investigating but declined to comment further.

PricewaterhouseCoopers spokesman Chris Atkins said his company is "working closely" with investigators, "and at this time there is no evidence that our systems have been compromised or that there was any unauthorized access to the data in question."

 

[-SD-]

Why did it take so long for obama to release his BC? what about his academic records? We were all clamoring to know bush was a C student lol

whats the big deal?

 

[SpyWizard]

kind of like obama's birth certificate right??

 

[Dial_tone]

I have not seen this talked about on the news once, so much for liberal media our to get him

 

[goose333]

You should be more worried what Obama does with OUR money then what Mitt does with his!

 

[jnevin]

Mitt probably just doesn't want the church to see that he doesn't pay his full tithing.

 

[sterolizer]

Who's Rodney?

 

[EnderJE]

Who's Rodney?

I can't follow this shit either.

 

[-SD-]

A side effect of knowing how to succeed means accruing large amounts of money. Quite frankly I dont give a damn how much money mitt has and would prefer someone as president who actually has succeeded in the private sector. Ask yourself if you had a corporation, who would you rather run it, Obama or Romney?

 

[musclemom]

I have not seen this talked about on the news once, so much for liberal media our to get him

Neither did I. Oddly enough it was on the front page of AOL (yes, I still have AOL) the Huffington Post, which I kind of didn't trust, so I Googled it until I found a "real" news source, I thought the NY Daily News seemed real enough.

Tangentially, I've never understood the Obama birth certificate thing. I don't remember anyone ever making that an issue with any president before and assumed it was spin playing on fear and bigotry because he had a weird name and was a person of mixed race.

Anyone ever see the episode of Big Bang where Sheldon and Amy start a rumor? Political whisper down the lane to create confusion in the masses.

I really don't give a shit about politicians releasing any personal information UNTIL they make an issue out of releasing it. I don't remember what the deal was with Obama's transcripts so I can't comment.

 

[75th]

Mitt probably just doesn't want the church to see that he doesn't pay his full tithing.

This x 100.

Although I bet that there are some (completely legal) tax avoidance strategies employed that would cost him big politically.

Why did it take so long for obama to release his BC? what about his academic records?

You dont think that theres a difference between requesting that one president release two pieces of information that have never been required in the past (Bush's grades were stolen and released, if I remember correctly) and asking someone follow the same precedent shared by pretty much any recent Commander in Chief? A precedent, remember, set by Romney's father.

A side effect of knowing how to succeed means accruing large amounts of money. Quite frankly I dont give a damn how much money mitt has and would prefer someone as president who actually has succeeded in the private sector. Ask yourself if you had a corporation, who would you rather run it, Obama or Romney?

Would be an apt comparison if running a country was anything like running a business. Are you upset that the military doesnt turn a profit?

 

[goose333]

This x 100.

Although I bet that there are some (completely legal) tax avoidance strategies employed that would cost him big politically.



You dont think that theres a difference between requesting that one president release two pieces of information that have never been required in the past (Bush's grades were stolen and released, if I remember correctly) and asking someone follow the same precedent shared by pretty much any recent Commander in Chief? A precedent, remember, set by Romney's father.



Would be an apt comparison if running a country was anything like running a business.

This attitude is why the country is going bankrupt!

 

[musclemom]

Mitt probably just doesn't want the church to see that he doesn't pay his full tithing.

Well, if he's a good Mormon he's supposed to give 10% and even a math moron like me can figure out what 10% of XYZ is. His tithing actually "benefits" him anyway since it reduces what he pays the IRS (of course, the IRS has loopholes, heavenly desires don't).

In an interview with Parade magazine, Mitt Romney offers another reason why he would rather not release his tax returns — Mormon tithing is not supposed to be public.

“Our church doesn’t publish how much people have given,” Romney said, according to the Salt Lake City Tribune. “This is done entirely privately. One of the downsides of releasing one’s financial information is that this is now all public, but we had never intended our contributions to be known. It’s a very personal thing between ourselves and our commitment to our God and to our church.”

Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are supposed to give 10 percent of their income to the church every year. In recent years, according to the tax information he’s released Romney has given that and donated much more through his family’s charity.

Mitt Romney gives new reason not to release tax returns: Tithing

He's skating a little here, not outright lying, don't misunderstand what I'm saying. It's a clever turn of phrase if you don't really think about it “Our church doesn’t publish how much people have given”. Any 501c3 fully discloses all donations and expenditures to all shareholders and the IRS so saying donations are "a personal thing" is kinda bending the truth. Every board member of the LDS knows how much they collect in tithes annually. It's usually reviewed as a lump sum but particularly juicy donations are usually noted and lauded somehow.

I think the LDS is still a 501c3, there was a movement to get them revoked because they were actively fighting Prop. 8, including making donations and a 501c3 is not permitted to get involved in political movements. Specifically "no substantial part of the activities of the Corporation shall be the carrying on of propaganda or otherwise attempting to influence legislation."

I seriously need a hobby ...

 

[musclemom]

This x 100.

Tithing is really a covenant between you and God, not you and the church. The whole 10% thing is the "suggested" amount, really. If you don't pay 10% and you can afford it, it's only God you're not keeping your commitment to.

 

[75th]

This attitude is why the country is going bankrupt!

Even if the country was going bankrupt (which it isnt) this wouldnt be the reason.

 

[75th]

Tithing is really a covenant between you and God, not you and the church. The whole 10% thing is the "suggested" amount, really. If you don't pay 10% and you can afford it, it's only God you're not keeping your commitment to.

Not for the Mormons. They take that shit seriously.

 

[SpyWizard]

Well, if he's a good Mormon he's supposed to give 10% and even a math moron like me can figure out what 10% of XYZ is. His tithing actually "benefits" him anyway since it reduces what he pays the IRS (of course, the IRS has loopholes, heavenly desires don't).



Mitt Romney gives new reason not to release tax returns: Tithing

He's skating a little here, not outright lying, don't misunderstand what I'm saying. It's a clever turn of phrase if you don't really think about it “Our church doesn’t publish how much people have given”. Any 501c3 fully discloses all donations and expenditures to all shareholders and the IRS so saying donations are "a personal thing" is kinda bending the truth. Every board member of the LDS knows how much they collect in tithes annually. It's usually reviewed as a lump sum but particularly juicy donations are usually noted and lauded somehow.

I think the LDS is still a 501c3, there was a movement to get them revoked because they were actively fighting Prop. 8, including making donations and a 501c3 is not permitted to get involved in political movements. Specifically "no substantial part of the activities of the Corporation shall be the carrying on of propaganda or otherwise attempting to influence legislation."

I seriously need a hobby ...

and if obama was a good muslim as is his birthright he'd sweep aside christianity in the usa and put muslim beliefs into our laws and the white house..

 

[dabuffguy]

Mitt probably just doesn't want the church to see that he doesn't pay his full tithing.

Hahaha.

Actually, what he really did say is that his tithing is private and personal sentimentally and does not want it to be public record. Tithing is a covenant between a man and God, it is a commitment that is personal and means a lot. He doesn' want that disclosed publicly whether he paid more or less than 10%.

I guarantee you he claimed it as a donation, which is also part of the reason he recieved a tax break, becuase dontaions give you that, and when he is paying millions per year in tihing, he gets that break reflected on his tax %.

I don't want mine publically disclosed, but there's nothing about it that reflects me in a bad way nor do I "have anything to hide". It's just my own personal business, not everyone elses. Given he is so high profile, I don't blame him for wanting to keep that private.

 

[musclemom]

and if obama was a good muslim as is his birthright he'd sweep aside christianity in the usa and put muslim beliefs into our laws and the white house..

For crying out loud, Obama's father was a former Muslim, his mother wasn't involved in ANY religion. Obama was baptized as an adult into the Trinity United Church of Christ. He had exposure to many religious beliefs and studies as a child since his mother was spiritual but not dogmatic.

 

[75th]

For crying out loud, Obama's father was a former Muslim, his mother wasn't involved in ANY religion. Obama was baptized as an adult into the Trinity United Church of Christ. He had exposure to many religious beliefs and studies as a child since his mother was spiritual but not dogmatic.

Dont bother...its like trying to chase someone through a revolving door. Birthers and muslimers are the very definition of retarded.

 

[SpyWizard]

according to Muslim law, that makes no difference..

and as far as the 10% tithe, it is also commanded by Jesus the Christ to the faithful to give in secret for those that do so in public have recieved their full reward here on earth.. to paraphrase..

 

[SpyWizard]

Dont bother...its like trying to chase someone through a revolving door. Birthers and muslimers are the very definition of retarded.

and here i thought this forum was a none flame board?? i suppose calling you a biggot is retorical right?? not opinion but fact in your views.. and thus you label yourself..

 

[75th]

*bigot

And yes, perhaps I am bigoted against idiots.

 

[jnevin]

Well, if he's a good Mormon he's supposed to give 10% and even a math moron like me can figure out what 10% of XYZ is. His tithing actually "benefits" him anyway since it reduces what he pays the IRS (of course, the IRS has loopholes, heavenly desires don't).



Mitt Romney gives new reason not to release tax returns: Tithing

He's skating a little here, not outright lying, don't misunderstand what I'm saying. It's a clever turn of phrase if you don't really think about it “Our church doesn’t publish how much people have given”. Any 501c3 fully discloses all donations and expenditures to all shareholders and the IRS so saying donations are "a personal thing" is kinda bending the truth. Every board member of the LDS knows how much they collect in tithes annually. It's usually reviewed as a lump sum but particularly juicy donations are usually noted and lauded somehow.

I think the LDS is still a 501c3, there was a movement to get them revoked because they were actively fighting Prop. 8, including making donations and a 501c3 is not permitted to get involved in political movements. Specifically "no substantial part of the activities of the Corporation shall be the carrying on of propaganda or otherwise attempting to influence legislation."

I seriously need a hobby ...

I know, but most mormons I did loans for didn't tithe on all of their income. If someone made 130K they'd give 10K to the church. If Mitt's taxes showed he was "cheating" his church out of money, he'd look bad to pretty much every religious group. With mormons if you don't tithe, you can't get into the temple and do your religious rituals. They can go to church, just not the temple. Funny biznisss.

 

[Headholio]

Birth certificates and Islam? Can this be real? And here I have been trying to engage in logical and intellectual debate. No wonder it hasn't worked. This crowd is limited. Very.

 

[musclemom]

according to Muslim law, that makes no difference..

Let's get Alcatraz to weigh in.

and as far as the 10% tithe, it is also commanded by Jesus the Christ to the faithful to give in secret for those that do so in public have recieved their full reward here on earth.. to paraphrase..

Wrong, tithing is not limited to Christianity, my tradition also tithes. However, in the Christian Bible it was mentioned as early as Genesis.

Jesus was talking about tithing under Mosaic law, which is JEWISH, which is what he was. And frankly there are multiple types of tithes under Mosaic law.

And finally it all comes back to a spiritual covenant of compassion. The creator is telling those who have enough to share with those who don't. It's always been about that. It's why the Jews were commanded to leave a portion of their fields unreaped, so the poor could go in at night and pick the leavings. The purpose of tithing isn't to build a big fucking building and buy the pastor a new Cadillac, it's so the organization can sustain itself AND provide for the poor of it's community. It's not WHO you give it to, it's your intention. You can also tithe by taking care of a poor family, by donating to ANY charitable organization. If you can spare 10%, you help the less fortunate out because it's the HUMANE thing to do.

Here, HIS words, not mine:

Matthew 25:31-46

New International Version (NIV)

31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

He's not separating people by RELIGION, he's separating them by their ACTIONS. His definition of righteous is not by faith, it's by kindness of heart. He doesn't say "the least of those who pray to God or the least of those who believe in Me," he says "the least of these" his brother humans, regardless of spiritual beliefs.

Every good Christian should 100% support social service programs, because Jesus told you to.

 

[mistaballoonhands]

Speaking of Muslims, I watched "The Dictator" today. Good flick.

 

[redsamurai]

A side effect of knowing how to succeed means accruing large amounts of money. Quite frankly I dont give a damn how much money mitt has and would prefer someone as president who actually has succeeded in the private sector. Ask yourself if you had a corporation, who would you rather run it, Obama or Romney?

well hold on a sec there sunshine...nobody's holding anything against Romney for being wealthy. John Kerry wsa wealthy, so was Gore...obama isn't exactly in the poor house either. What people are irritated about is that Romney decries govt largesse while he may infact have been massively benefiting from it. In essence shaking his finger at everyone else while grazing the pasture himself. Now that's, oh whats the word i'm looking for.......hypocrisy? And hypocrisy is something that can't be let to slide. Of course he's paying near zero in taxes which is why they will never be released.

 

[Mr. dB]

Hilarious. I hope Julian Assange is the first to pony up the ransom.

 

[ceo]

Mitt probably just doesn't want the church to see that he doesn't pay his full tithing.

I thought mormons were required to furnish their tax returns to the church to ensure they paid their full tithe?

 

[ceo]

Romney released 2 years returns. That is all that is required. That is what McCain released and nobody said shit. Who cares? He did what was required and all people can do is bitch and want him to do more. Release more very personal info. Waahh, he's rich! Waah it's not fair! He must have cheated!

Why don't all the people bitching about it post their tax returns online? Facebook, twitter, EF, whatever. Post em up. Lestat already put up his W2's! That goodbro is solid! What are the rest of you waiting for?

 

[dabuffguy]

I thought mormons were required to furnish their tax returns to the church to ensure they paid their full tithe?

Some people pay 10% of Net Income, some pay it on Gross Income. There is nothing specific as to which is required, but it is up to the individual as to what they feel is right.

Everyone that I know of pays 10% on what they earn before taxes are removed from each pay check.

There is no documentation you are required to provide to prove you paid a full 10%. It's your verbal declaration of paying a "full tithe" that is required. That declaration is made to the local congregation leader, the Bishop, and is also considered a declaration to God that you have honestly paid a full tithe. Lying doesn't gain you anything so there is no reason to be untruthful. Some members declare "partial tithe" or no tithe. You don't get in trouble and it's confidential. Members aren't reprimanded for not paying a tithe. They just aren't allowed to attend the temple and participate in the rituals because to hold a valid "temple recommend card" you have to meet worthiness requirements, and obeying the law of tithing is part of the requirement to be deemed worthy to enter into God's holy temples.

 

[javaguru]

Some people pay 10% of Net Income, some pay it on Gross Income. There is nothing specific as to which is required, but it is up to the individual as to what they feel is right.

Everyone that I know of pays 10% on what they earn before taxes are removed from each pay check.

There is no documentation you are required to provide to prove you paid a full 10%. It's your verbal declaration of paying a "full tithe" that is required. That declaration is made to the local congregation leader, the Bishop, and is also considered a declaration to God that you have honestly paid a full tithe. Lying doesn't gain you anything so there is no reason to be untruthful. Some members declare "partial tithe" or no tithe. You don't get in trouble and it's confidential. Members aren't reprimanded for not paying a tithe. They just aren't allowed to attend the temple and participate in the rituals because to hold a valid "temple recommend card" you have to meet worthiness requirements, and obeying the law of tithing is part of the requirement to be deemed worthy to enter into God's holy temples.

You know that I'm no fan of religion but the Dems campaign against Mormonism is ironic considering how they brushed off Obama's 20 year association with Rev Wright. You vote for the person and their character. There are good people that are atheists and good religious people; Religion or lack of religion should be off limits unless the person makes irrational statements about policy based on their belief system. In my experience Mormons are good moral people and their view on the afterlife, which nobody can know IMO, improves their life without harming others.

 

[uamaverick]

You guys DO know Mitt released 2 years of tax returns already, right? RIGHT? How many fucking years does he have to share? His entire Goddamn life? Fuck this stupid country. And yes, fuck this stupid country for bitching about Obama's BC as well.

 

[youpissmeoff]

Stunt? Bluff? Ruse?? Phishing?

Seriously, all I can think is: WHAT'S THE BIG FUCKING DEAL, DUDE?!? Publish it and get it over with. The fact you want to conceal your own financial facts just makes me wonder what about the U.S. finances you wouldn't tell us about if you got into office. I mean, seriously, we already know you're rich, what's another $100 million more or less?

Mitt?s coveted tax returns hacked? Feds investigateextortion stunt - NY Daily News

Way to turn that into a political post with your opinion on Romney releasing his returns.

Back on track - scares the shit out of me how much hackers have access to. Also, I think these guys end up in prison.

Nice life in the butt farm over a stupid $1 million.

 

[musclemom]

You guys DO know Mitt released 2 years of tax returns already, right? RIGHT? How many fucking years does he have to share? His entire Goddamn life? Fuck this stupid country. And yes, fuck this stupid country for bitching about Obama's BC as well.

Not trying to fight you, but no, they didn't. The released the 2010 and 2011 estimated. Look, like I said, I don't give a shit either, just my comments about whether it was phishing or a ruse should have made that obvious. And I did find it interesting, just that, interesting, that I hadn't heard anything about the theft on a major news network.

However, he IS running out of time to file his returns (due Oct. 15) so he better get a move on. Then he'll release the return and all the silly drama will end.

Introduction | Mitt Romney for President

Mitt and Ann Romney have released their complete 2010 tax return and an estimate of their 2011 return. (A full copy of their final 2011 return will be made public as soon as it is filed in the upcoming weeks). The Romneys have provided extensive information about their personal finances, with several hundred pages of tax returns now made public.

 

[-SD-]

We are always going to elect a 1%er to the white house so who gives a shit how much money they have.

 

[musclemom]

We are always going to elect a 1%er to the white house so who gives a shit how much money they have.

How very right you are. And as you pointed out, we all know the guy is wealthy, as far as I'm concerned whether he has $1 million or $100 million is academic. I feel like I'm being patronized when someone who has never suffered from want tells me they understand what it's like to live in the shadow of poverty. Think of it this way, you don't understand what it's like to be a 47 year old woman and I don't understand what it's like to be a young man. However, having been married twice and raised a son I have a working understanding of men. I'm not a man but I've lived with them and tried very hard to see things from their perspective so I could cooperate with them and live with them harmoniously

 

[goose333]

News flash- the drama will not end until election. If you think you are better off now then take a good look at your pay check, price to fill up ur ride and price to buy food..... list goes on and on....we need a change and not the change OB gave us.

 

[Sust 350]

It doesn't matter who u get. All u Americans are fucked!! They bring u to a big centre. They have u all listen to there brain wash tactics. Then boom u love them. It's like Christians, fill ur brain with bullshit then boom u love them. The American government is a mob runed by oil and pharmaceutic companies. They run the news stations they control ur brains. All I can say is wake up ur fucked!!!

 

[EnderJE]

It doesn't matter who u get. All u Americans are fucked!! They bring u to a big centre. They have u all listen to there brain wash tactics. Then boom u love them. It's like Christians, fill ur brain with bullshit then boom u love them. The American government is a mob runed by oil and pharmaceutic companies. They run the news stations they control ur brains. All I can say is wake up ur fucked!!!

As if the Canadian are any better? See the QC election recently?

 

[-SD-]

How very right you are. And as you pointed out, we all know the guy is wealthy, as far as I'm concerned whether he has $1 million or $100 million is academic. I feel like I'm being patronized when someone who has never suffered from want tells me they understand what it's like to live in the shadow of poverty. Think of it this way, you don't understand what it's like to be a 47 year old woman and I don't understand what it's like to be a young man. However, having been married twice and raised a son I have a working understanding of men. I'm not a man but I've lived with them and tried very hard to see things from their perspective so I could cooperate with them and live with them harmoniously

Rich people running for national public office really dont have a choice , they damned if they do or damned if they dont regarding what they say to relate to poor people. We will never elect anyone who isnt priviledged so it doesnt matter who can relate to what. Politicians arent going to just say "Im rich and have no idea what its like to need stuff to live, and i dont care either, vote for me?"
Obama cant seem to relate to a lot of things either but who cares. Im not voting on who i can relate with im voting on who i think can best turn the economy around.

 

[musclemom]

The interesting thing about this and other threads I've been reading and commenting in lately is that I'm reexamining some of my personal opinions, where these opinions grew from and why I continue to hold them, and I'm realizing just how some of my opinions are based on modern myths that have been repeated so many times it's been accepted as fact and stopped being questioned. Need vs. desire; desire vs. appearances; what do I truly want vs. what I've been told I'm supposed to want to achieve.

 

[Headholio]

Romney released 2 years returns. That is all that is required. That is what McCain released and nobody said shit. Who cares? He did what was required and all people can do is bitch and want him to do more. Release more very personal info. Waahh, he's rich! Waah it's not fair! He must have cheated!

Why don't all the people bitching about it post their tax returns online? Facebook, twitter, EF, whatever. Post em up. Lestat already put up his W2's! That goodbro is solid! What are the rest of you waiting for?

McCain only put up 2 years returns, and he lost.
And people did say shit.
The fact is that the normal amount of disclosure is much higher, and only McCain and Romney have been so secretive.

And obviously, he isn't hiding the fact that he makes a shit load of money, or that he pays a very low tax rate. We already know all that stuff.

So, there is something else he doesn't want us to see. (maybe dodging taxes with offshore accounts, where did that money come from in that famous IRA, maybe he did a little more than just take advantage of legal tax breaks etc).

He doesn't have to release more info. Its a political calculation. Some people will be turned off or be distrustful about his lack of openness. People wonder what he is hiding.
He is willing to take that hit on his credibility and the perception of his character. But people have a right to vet their candidates.
It's his choice. He hopes it doesn't cost him too many votes. People will decide how important it is to them, in the voting booth.

 

[Sust 350]

As if the Canadian are any better? See the QC election recently?

I never said Canada was better off, but we have more control of our economy. QC can't do shit, it has more natives running the QC Land.
Them french fuckers are rude. If I an English guy goes there they won't talk English to u even though they know the language.

 

[ismaele00]

I never said Canada was better off, but we have more control of our economy. QC can't do shit, it has more natives running the QC Land.
Them french fuckers are rude. If I an English guy goes there they won't talk English to u even though they know the language.

I'm very interested in the Canadian case (with Quebec), here in Spain we have something similar with the Catalonian region (where the city of Barcelona is).

Could you give us a little feedback Sust?
As a Canadian, Quebec is part in your opinion of Canada (I mean not legally but sentimentally, historically)?
What do you think about a possible secession?

Do you, Canadians, consider franco-Canadians, the same as you (just Canadians)?

Thanks man.

 

[Sust 350]

I'm very interested in the Canadian case (with Quebec), here in Spain we have something similar with the Catalonian region (where the city of Barcelona is).

Could you give us a little feedback Sust?
As a Canadian, Quebec is part in your opinion of Canada (I mean not legally but sentimentally, historically)?
What do you think about a possible secession?

Do you, Canadians, consider franco-Canadians, the same as you (just Canadians)?

Thanks man.

Bro I'd love to answer ur questions, but I don't know the answer to some of it. I'm sure if u google it you'll find ur answer. I guess it depends on the person to Treat franco-Canadians, the same as me, but them french don't like me as an English Canadian. No possible secession because they have the biggest dept in the country and they want to use my dollar too. I know this is not part of the thread and I'm sorry for throwing Canadian politics in here.

 

[nangiggles]

I would like to make a statement:






































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That is all

 

[-SD-]

I would like to make a statement:
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That is all

Nancakes?

Also remember how rich Kerry/Edwards was in '04 but no one seemed to give a shit about that. I recall Kerry having more money than mitt actually.

Oh the crime!!!!

 

[Mr. dB]

well hold on a sec there sunshine...nobody's holding anything against Romney for being wealthy. John Kerry wsa wealthy, so was Gore...obama isn't exactly in the poor house either. What people are irritated about is that Romney decries govt largesse while he may infact have been massively benefiting from it. In essence shaking his finger at everyone else while grazing the pasture himself. Now that's, oh whats the word i'm looking for.......hypocrisy? And hypocrisy is something that can't be let to slide. Of course he's paying near zero in taxes which is why they will never be released.

And yet, during the vetting process, the Romney Campaign made Ryan, and other potential VP running mates, cough up seven years of tax records, didn't they?

 

[Headholio]

Nancakes?

Also remember how rich Kerry/Edwards was in '04 but no one seemed to give a shit about that. I recall Kerry having more money than mitt actually.

Oh the crime!!!!

You recall Kerry's money because people did make an issue about it.
But like you already said, everyone who runs for Pres is rich.
But Romney's problem isn't the fake faux news issue of him being rich and people being jealous.
So much has changed since 2004. The Republican party has been radicalized. The debt has grown, yet republicans won't consider any type of revenue generating measures that all congresses in the past would have considered. Income inequality has accelerated and become an issue. Despite this inequality, Republicans want to defund programs that help regular people, yet cut taxes for the rich.
Romney is the perfect candidate to symbolize all that is screwed up with Republicans. They have become the party of the wealthy. That's why his wealth comes up. The wealthy are under taxed compared to historical measures. That's why his taxes are in the spotlight.

 

[-SD-]

Both parties have become radicalized and more influenced by their respective poles. Both parties are to blame seeing as Obama had Dem congress his first two years of office and look where that got us.

 

[Headholio]

Both parties have become radicalized and more influenced by their respective poles. Both parties are to blame seeing as Obama had Dem congress his first two years of office and look where that got us.

It got us out of Bush's inevitable depression, restarted job growth, saved the auto industry, improved healthcare, ended the war in Iraq, for starters.

I can see how righties would call the healthcare bill radical, even though most righties don't understand the bill, that it's not a government takeover. Its also something that dems and repubs have been talking about for decades. Even Nixon proposed something similar.
But you say both parties have become radicalized. Give me some examples of radicalization of the Democrats.

 

[digimon7068]

Why did it take so long for obama to release his BC? what about his academic records? We were all clamoring to know bush was a C student lol

whats the big deal?

because it takes a long ass time to manufacture the document and all the supporting documents/data??? barack hussein obama...i giggle a little bit everytime i see that in writing.

 

[Headholio]

because it takes a long ass time to manufacture the document and all the supporting documents/data??? barack hussein obama...i giggle a little bit everytime i see that in writing.

I would have expected something a little less....uh, asinine, from you digi.

 

[-SD-]

It got us out of Bush's inevitable depression, restarted job growth, saved the auto industry, improved healthcare, ended the war in Iraq, for starters.

I can see how righties would call the healthcare bill radical, even though most righties don't understand the bill, that it's not a government takeover. Its also something that dems and repubs have been talking about for decades. Even Nixon proposed something similar.
But you say both parties have become radicalized. Give me some examples of radicalization of the Democrats.

Always easy to say things woulda/coulda/shoulda been worse but for the gov't doing xyz. I claim we would have been better off if McCain got elected, or maybe we would have been worse? See, cant prove anything.

Heres what we do know. The stimulus ($1T) cost more than the entire iraq war ($806B, Congressional Research Service), if you can believe that. And whats to show for it? The labor force participation rate is the lowest its been in 30 years, with that taken into account, the real unemployment rate is more like 12%, totally unacceptable given the amount of money dumped into the economy by obama. Where did the trillion dollars all go??? Thats pretty radical actions with one stroke of a pen.
The rhetoric and discourse is dominated by radicals on both sides.

 

[digimon7068]

I would have expected something a little less....uh, asinine, from you digi.

i was kidding...i don't doubt his citizenship...all that shit was a waste of time and money...like the steroid hearings and the federal resources that were dedicated to the michael vick investigation...all that manpower and energy could have been dedicated to much higher and better causes.

during that same time period, that fuckwad arlen specter wanted to launch a federal investigation into whether the new england patriots cheated...i was completely beside myself with rage at his utter lack of attention to reality...until he switched parties...then it made complete sense

that said? the name barack hussein obama? for a dude that is president...of anything? makes me giggle...sorry...i'm a knucklehead.

 

[ceo]

McCain only put up 2 years returns, and he lost.
And people did say shit.
The fact is that the normal amount of disclosure is much higher, and only McCain and Romney have been so secretive.

And obviously, he isn't hiding the fact that he makes a shit load of money, or that he pays a very low tax rate. We already know all that stuff.

So, there is something else he doesn't want us to see. (maybe dodging taxes with offshore accounts, where did that money come from in that famous IRA, maybe he did a little more than just take advantage of legal tax breaks etc).

He doesn't have to release more info. Its a political calculation. Some people will be turned off or be distrustful about his lack of openness. People wonder what he is hiding.
He is willing to take that hit on his credibility and the perception of his character. But people have a right to vet their candidates.
It's his choice. He hopes it doesn't cost him too many votes. People will decide how important it is to them, in the voting booth.

Common sense begs that if he were doing something illegal...don't you think the boys at the IRS would have found out and come after him by now? They are coming back to me for about $1000 they say I owe them from last year. I'd think that if someone like Romney cheated them out of money it would be for a lot more than $1000, and if there's one thing the gov't is actually good at, it's collecting money they think they're owed from its own citizens (just not other countries).

The whole thing with all this is it's just trying to keep peoples' attention to the fact that he is ultra-wealthy and they aren't so he is "out of touch" with the common man/woman. Plus the fact that he doesn't feel he should have to provide more than the 2 years returns required must mean that he's hiding something illegal, which is all the more reason not to vote for him.

But hey, you bought it and millions of other people have too. Politics at its finest. Smoke and mirrors to keep the commoners minds off the real issues.

Carry on sir.

 

[ceo]

Nancakes?

Also remember how rich Kerry/Edwards was in '04 but no one seemed to give a shit about that. I recall Kerry having more money than mitt actually.

Oh the crime!!!!

don't be trying to bring facts like that into this thread rob.

 

[digimon7068]

Always easy to say things woulda/coulda/shoulda been worse but for the gov't doing xyz. I claim we would have been better off if McCain got elected, or maybe we would have been worse? See, cant prove anything.

Heres what we do know. The stimulus ($1T) cost more than the entire iraq war ($806B, Congressional Research Service), if you can believe that. And whats to show for it? The labor force participation rate is the lowest its been in 30 years, with that taken into account, the real unemployment rate is more like 12%, totally unacceptable given the amount of money dumped into the economy by obama. Where did the trillion dollars all go??? Thats pretty radical actions with one stroke of a pen.
The rhetoric and discourse is dominated by radicals on both sides.

bunch of muh-fuggers got paid to sit on their asses for 3 years and do shit...

 

[ceo]

The Republican party has been radicalized. The debt has grown, yet republicans won't consider any type of revenue generating measures that all congresses in the past would have considered. Income inequality has accelerated and become an issue.

But the last two congresses (110th & 111th) prior to this 112th congress were Democrat controlled/majority (both house and senate). You know, back when all the shit started to hit the fan and the economy collapsed? The dems controlled it from 1/2007 to 1/2011, with a Dem POTUS coming in 1/2009.

What happened? Why didn't they "consider" some measures that would have generated all sorts of revenue??? They had the chance to save us all!!! But instead they took our money and gave it away to giant corporations that were "too big to fail" instead of letting them fail and pay for their mistakes and letting other smaller competitors come into power to take their places and pick up the pieces. Why, democrats? WHY?

 

[ceo]

It got us out of Bush's inevitable depression, restarted job growth, saved the auto industry, improved healthcare, ended the war in Iraq, for starters.

but Bush had a Dem congress for his last two years and that's when the whole economy collapse started???

But you say both parties have become radicalized. Give me some examples of radicalization of the Democrats.

bottom line is...neither party gives a shit about you or me. If you're not a multi-millionaire or billionaire, large contributor or potential contributor to getting them re-elected, they don't give a shit about you. And you're foolish if you think any one of them do. Regardless of party.

 

[-SD-]

but Bush had a Dem congress for his last two years and that's when the whole economy collapse started???




bottom line is...neither party gives a shit about you or me. If you're not a multi-millionaire or billionaire, large contributor or potential contributor to getting them re-elected, they don't give a shit about you. And you're foolish if you think any one of them do. Regardless of party.

*irregardless

 

[nimbus]

Nancakes?

Also remember how rich Kerry/Edwards was in '04 but no one seemed to give a shit about that. I recall Kerry having more money than mitt actually.

Oh the crime!!!!

kerry released tax returns for his presidential race, and also for his senate races. he's easily released over 10 years of tax returns. and tons of people made a big deal about the wealth of him and his wife.

 

[redsamurai]

kerry released tax returns for his presidential race, and also for his senate races. he's easily released over 10 years of tax returns. and tons of people made a big deal about the wealth of him and his wife.

right, how quickly people are willing to forget the stink republicans made about that "massachusetts elite" and his ill begotten ketchup fortune.

yet here comes a guy who appears to have made his fortune hacking companies up and sending those jobs overseas then figuring out a way to pay literally almost zero dollars in taxes, until he decided to run for president of course...then it was prudent to start paying taxes lest anyone ask right?

 

[digimon7068]

right, how quickly people are willing to forget the stink republicans made about that "massachusetts elite" and his ill begotten ketchup fortune.

yet here comes a guy who appears to have made his fortune hacking companies up and sending those jobs overseas then figuring out a way to pay literally almost zero dollars in taxes, until he decided to run for president of course...then it was prudent to start paying taxes lest anyone ask right?

i wish my wife was a heinz

 

[jnevin]

i wish my wife was a heinz

At least she's not Mrs. Butterface.

 

[Headholio]

Common sense begs that if he were doing something illegal...don't you think the boys at the IRS would have found out and come after him by now? They are coming back to me for about $1000 they say I owe them from last year. I'd think that if someone like Romney cheated them out of money it would be for a lot more than $1000, and if there's one thing the gov't is actually good at, it's collecting money they think they're owed from its own citizens (just not other countries).

The whole thing with all this is it's just trying to keep peoples' attention to the fact that he is ultra-wealthy and they aren't so he is "out of touch" with the common man/woman. Plus the fact that he doesn't feel he should have to provide more than the 2 years returns required must mean that he's hiding something illegal, which is all the more reason not to vote for him.

But hey, you bought it and millions of other people have too. Politics at its finest. Smoke and mirrors to keep the commoners minds off the real issues.

Carry on sir.

That's a good one. Romney doesn't need to show us his tax returns like every other President has, because common sense tells us everything is A-OK. I see that you REALLY loooooove Romney.

 

[digimon7068]

At least she's not Mrs. Butterface.

i'd lay a few wrapped stacks of hundred's on her back and hit her from behind...

 

[Headholio]

but Bush had a Dem congress for his last two years and that's when the whole economy collapse started???

The walls were already crumbling when the dems took control in January 2007. The dems passed some good laws to regulate financial institutions after that. Blaming the dems for Bushs mess is a joke.
Look it up.

I'm not saying they are geniuses. The times demanded those changes, and a lot more. I think the dems have done pitifully little to reform bank regulations. But at least they aren't as crazy as republicans who are still talking like its some kind of evil sin to even think about regulating the industry that almost did, and still could, crash the economy.

 

[digimon7068]

The walls were already crumbling when the dems took control in January 2007. The dems passed some good laws to regulate financial institutions after that. Blaming the dems for Bushs mess is a joke.
Look it up.

I'm not saying they are geniuses. The times demanded those changes, and a lot more. I think the dems have done pitifully little to reform bank regulations. But at least they aren't as crazy as republicans who are still talking like its some kind of evil sin to even think about regulating the industry that almost did, and still could, crash the economy.

please at least admit that no-doc loans were a bad thing, and that they caused housing costs to explode and allowed lots of people to obtain home loans that never should have even been allowed to have a credit card?? if you do that, i'll admit to significant financial and regulatory irresponsibility on the part of the bush administration...whaddaya say???

 

[Headholio]

please at least admit that no-doc loans were a bad thing, and that they caused housing costs to explode and allowed lots of people to obtain home loans that never should have even been allowed to have a credit card?? if you do that, i'll admit to significant financial and regulatory irresponsibility on the part of the bush administration...whaddaya say???

Yeah I never denied it, but I'm still waiting for the link to Clinton. I think lax lending practices were a terrible thing and major cause of the crash, but mostly the fault of private institutions and the lack of regulation. Not any specific act by Clinton that let it happen.

 

[javaguru]

When you shift the demand curve to the left with artificially low interest rates what do you get?

Here's a hint, people make them with gum.

 

[ceo]

That's a good one. Romney doesn't need to show us his tax returns like every other President has, because common sense tells us everything is A-OK. I see that you REALLY loooooove Romney.

I have said that he provided the two years that are required. If it were me, I wouldn't want to provide 10 years if only 2 were required. I like my privacy. But then I wouldn't want to provide even two, so I wouldn't be in that situation. Plus, I'm not dishonest enough to be a politician. And yes, when you're accusing him of doing something illegal on his taxes to avoid paying them, common sense would ask, "wouldn't the IRS have come after him by now?" They're all over me for a grand, I think they'd be up his ass over millions.

It's not that I love Romney. I don't really care about him much to be honest, and I know he doesn't know or care about me either. Neither does Obama. And they don't care about you either bro. But I also don't care about his taxes beyond the last two years, and neither do the people who make the rules about requirements for presidential candidates. So why the fuck do you care so goddamn much??? He has money bro. He worked hard for it and made it and invested it. Now he has income from capital gains and uses all the legal deductions at his disposal and pays a low rate that still equates to millions of dollars a year. He's probably not too unlike Kerry in these regards, except that he didn't come into his money by his wife's family fortune.

You just bought into all the "he's rich and only showing 2 years returns so he must be hiding illegal activity! Because you looooooove Obama, I guess. I just don't care. He's rich, just like the rest of them. He did what they asked and the people who make the rules are satisfied. Why isn't everyone else? It's stupid.

 

[Sust 350]

I don't know how people can vote for Romney. A man that buys businesses and closes them down to send them overseas. How can people be so blind. Then people talk bad that Obama that he didn't do shit. Open ur eyes, how can he do anything if he's got minority. Now u can vote for Romney which he will sell America overseas or give obama majority and see where it goes. Out of both evils I think Obama is ur best bet.

 

[goose333]

Mitt bought companies that where already in trouble and made most on them profitable.
OB took the stim $$ which is ours (the tax payers) and gave half of it to over seas companies. Look it up for yourself and stop believing the bullshit that the media is selling you!!

 

[Headholio]

Mitt bought companies that where already in trouble and made most on them profitable.
OB took the stim $$ which is ours (the tax payers) and gave half of it to over seas companies. Look it up for yourself and stop believing the bullshit that the media is selling you!!

Yes goose, looking stuff up is good and very important advice. People need to look stuff up so that they can see that what you posted is complete bullshit.
Half the stimulus money overseas? 400 billion overseas?

You took a Republican lie (that 2.3 billion went overseas) and expanded it 200 times to a super-lie!

FactCheck.org : Stimulus Money for Jobs Overseas?

 

[Headholio]

I have said that he provided the two years that are required. If it were me, I wouldn't want to provide 10 years if only 2 were required. I like my privacy. But then I wouldn't want to provide even two, so I wouldn't be in that situation. Plus, I'm not dishonest enough to be a politician. And yes, when you're accusing him of doing something illegal on his taxes to avoid paying them, common sense would ask, "wouldn't the IRS have come after him by now?" They're all over me for a grand, I think they'd be up his ass over millions.

It's not that I love Romney. I don't really care about him much to be honest, and I know he doesn't know or care about me either. Neither does Obama. And they don't care about you either bro. But I also don't care about his taxes beyond the last two years, and neither do the people who make the rules about requirements for presidential candidates. So why the fuck do you care so goddamn much??? He has money bro. He worked hard for it and made it and invested it. Now he has income from capital gains and uses all the legal deductions at his disposal and pays a low rate that still equates to millions of dollars a year. He's probably not too unlike Kerry in these regards, except that he didn't come into his money by his wife's family fortune.

You just bought into all the "he's rich and only showing 2 years returns so he must be hiding illegal activity! Because you looooooove Obama, I guess. I just don't care. He's rich, just like the rest of them. He did what they asked and the people who make the rules are satisfied. Why isn't everyone else? It's stupid.

You keep talking about common sense, but I think you know as well as I do, that submitting a tax return does not mean it was reviewed, let alone audited, by the IRS. The vast majority are accepted without any scrutiny at all. And one as complex as Romneys has a greater chance of audit, but that doesn't mean he was ever audited. And a review of his return would probably take a team of accountants many hours.

And you keep pretending that the issue is that he is rich, but its not. And you keep pretending that the issue is that he pays the capital gains rate, but its not. We already know those things.

The issue is that its a standard part of the vetting process to submit much more info than Romney has. Republicans have criticized him for not submitting more, just because it sends a bad message. But Romney chooses to take that hit rather than being open. Like I already said, that's his choice.

You are right about one thing; if you like your privacy, don't run for President. I think that's one thing that scared Donald Trump off.

 

[redsamurai]

and if obama was a good muslim as is his birthright he'd sweep aside christianity in the usa and put muslim beliefs into our laws and the white house..

which no president could even remotely do, you understand this right? conceptually you understand that no one president could convert us into a muslim country, right? You implicitly understand that our entire govt, both parties, the supreme court, state and local legislature......"ALL OF THEM", would have to be "in on it". FFS

 

[redsamurai]

And yet, during the vetting process, the Romney Campaign made Ryan, and other potential VP running mates, cough up seven years of tax records, didn't they?

intensive irony right there

 

[redsamurai]

Mitt bought companies that where already in trouble and made most on them profitable.
OB took the stim $$ which is ours (the tax payers) and gave half of it to over seas companies. Look it up for yourself and stop believing the bullshit that the media is selling you!!

i think the issue that alot of people have with Romeny's time at Bain is that he took companies with poor management structure but with a perfect labor base, and hammered it. Sent everything oversea's when there was a perfectly viable "local option". I don't have a problem with someone taking jobs overseas' if the labor required doesn't exist here. It would be kind of like one of the big 3 saying we just can't seem to find good help these days and take auto manufacturing jobs oversea's. I get it, there's some things we shouldn't be manufacturing....the volume of useless 99c nickknacks the chinese make is stupifying to me. They literally send entire container ships over here stuffed to the top and looking like it's gonna capsize at any moment, with stupid useless drug store quality 99c bin products.

 

[redsamurai]

Romney released 2 years returns. That is all that is required. That is what McCain released and nobody said shit. Who cares? ?

actually mccain went back over a decade i beleive, 20 years maybe? don't remember but in any case they went back to before he was considering running for president. And is it technically required to release any tax returns whatsoever? I don't think it is, at least not publically. It's just what's been done for a long time. You release your returns since well before you contemplated running for POTUS. Of course no one is insinuating Romney did anything illegal with his taxes, we know he spends millions of dollars on ace lawyers to find him loop holes. It's just the mans hypocrisy on full display, that's all. If u've raped the tax loophole system while claiming you want to lower taxes yet close up loopholes....kind of hypocritical yes? If he were a democrat saying taxes should be raised yet he skirts them with the aid of millionaire lawyers, you guys would be up in arms...c'mon, be real. There would be a loop being played at Limbaughs show right up until the election. And republicans would be right.

 

[ceo]

I don't know how people can vote for Romney. A man that buys businesses and closes them down to send them overseas. How can people be so blind. Then people talk bad that Obama that he didn't do shit. Open ur eyes, how can he do anything if he's got minority. Now u can vote for Romney which he will sell America overseas or give obama majority and see where it goes. Out of both evils I think Obama is ur best bet.

Staples had one (US) location when Mitt convinced Bain Capital to invest in it. Now they have over 1500 in the US and over 2200 worldwide. They employ 90,000+ worldwide, including Canada. You can thank Mitt for that. Domino's Pizza employs 145,000 worldwide, including Canada too...but mostly US. Sports Authority got started with some Bain Capital money too.

Those businesses are all still open. So are Brookstone, Sealy, AMC Theaters, Michaels, Toys R Us, Burger King, Burlington Coat Factory, Clear Channel Communications, Guitar Center, Gymboree and several others.

Out of the two evils, I think Romney is our better bet. He has done a good job with multiple businesses, a good job with the winter olympics in Utah, and a good job as gov. of Mass. Of course he would be very limited by congress as POTUS and probably not be able to get much done. But that goes for any POTUS. Now...what to do about all those worthless congresspeople?

 

[ceo]

You keep talking about common sense, but I think you know as well as I do, that submitting a tax return does not mean it was reviewed, let alone audited, by the IRS. The vast majority are accepted without any scrutiny at all. And one as complex as Romneys has a greater chance of audit, but that doesn't mean he was ever audited. And a review of his return would probably take a team of accountants many hours.

And you keep pretending that the issue is that he is rich, but its not. And you keep pretending that the issue is that he pays the capital gains rate, but its not. We already know those things.

The issue is that its a standard part of the vetting process to submit much more info than Romney has. Republicans have criticized him for not submitting more, just because it sends a bad message. But Romney chooses to take that hit rather than being open. Like I already said, that's his choice.

You are right about one thing; if you like your privacy, don't run for President. I think that's one thing that scared Donald Trump off.

I'm also right that you think he is hiding something illegal. It's also ludicrous to think that his tax returns are just too "complex" for the IRS to review/audit. LOL! Yeah, the IRS doesn't try to audit rich people, just the middle class (and not the poor because they don't pay taxes). I guess the IRS are all republicans.

 

[ceo]

i think the issue that alot of people have with Romeny's time at Bain is that he took companies with poor management structure but with a perfect labor base, and hammered it. Sent everything oversea's when there was a perfectly viable "local option". I don't have a problem with someone taking jobs overseas' if the labor required doesn't exist here. It would be kind of like one of the big 3 saying we just can't seem to find good help these days and take auto manufacturing jobs oversea's. I get it, there's some things we shouldn't be manufacturing....the volume of useless 99c nickknacks the chinese make is stupifying to me. They literally send entire container ships over here stuffed to the top and looking like it's gonna capsize at any moment, with stupid useless drug store quality 99c bin products.

He sent all of Staples overseas? You mean the one that I went to last week is GONE now???

I can't order a Domino's pizza either??? WTF?

 

[ceo]

Of course no one is insinuating Romney did anything illegal with his taxes,

headholio does!!! He says Romney is dodging his tax liabilities!

we know he spends millions of dollars on ace lawyers to find him loop holes. It's just the mans hypocrisy on full display, that's all. If u've raped the tax loophole system while claiming you want to lower taxes yet close up loopholes....kind of hypocritical yes? If he were a democrat saying taxes should be raised yet he skirts them with the aid of millionaire lawyers, you guys would be up in arms...c'mon, be real. There would be a loop being played at Limbaughs show right up until the election. And republicans would be right.

The "loopholes" are all legal though. So I guess you are saying rape is legal?

I don't have any problems with anyone skirting taxes in any LEGAL way possible, whether they are dem or repub. If it's legal, it's not "skirting" or "raping" as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Headholio]

I'm also right that you think he is hiding something illegal. It's also ludicrous to think that his tax returns are just too "complex" for the IRS to review/audit. LOL! Yeah, the IRS doesn't try to audit rich people, just the middle class (and not the poor because they don't pay taxes). I guess the IRS are all republicans.

I didn't say he did anything illegal, but I said he might have, and I think that is a reasonable possibility. We don't know what he is hiding, but whatever it is, it is worth being criticized, worth the damage to his image, and credibility, and respect of many Americans, including in his own party.
So what is it? There are lots of complex tax laws that could be interpreted wrongly, even by experts, unintentionally. Maybe he didn't do anything illegal, but he lied in his speeches about where his money comes from, how he got it, who he damaged to get it etc. Maybe it will show how he uses overseas accounts to dodge taxes, which may be legal, but may not be looked apon as favorably as a regular tax loophole to the American people. I have no problem speculating about all kinds of bad things Romney might have done. That is price he has chosen to pay for not disclosing. The imagination of the people is usually worse than the actual truth, but he apparently doesn't see it that way.

I never said his return is too complex to audit. Are you twisting my words now for lack of a better case?
I said (read slowly)

submitting a tax return does not mean it was reviewed, let alone audited, by the IRS. The vast majority are accepted without any scrutiny at all. And one as complex as Romneys has a greater chance of audit, but that doesn't mean he was ever audited. And a review of his return would probably take a team of accountants many hours.

If that's still to complicated for you I'll simplify. Your "common sense" assumption that the IRS already looked at his returns and would have found any problems with them is incorrect. The IRS never looks at most returns.

 

[Sust 350]

Did get a chance to her clintons speech? Your always going to hear some good from these guys, but they will get nothing done in the states because there is no majority. If Romney gets in it will be like the bushes. Tax the middle people, less on the rich and take out another bailout to pay the banks. Wake up!!!

 

[goose333]

what are you talking about? The bush tax cuts included cuts to the middle class. Obama even extended the Bush tax.

 

[Jack steel]

Stunt? Bluff? Ruse?? Phishing?

Seriously, all I can think is: WHAT'S THE BIG FUCKING DEAL, DUDE?!? Publish it and get it over with. The fact you want to conceal your own financial facts just makes me wonder what about the U.S. finances you wouldn't tell us about if you got into office. I mean, seriously, we already know you're rich, what's another $100 million more or less?

Mitt?s coveted tax returns hacked? Feds investigateextortion stunt - NY Daily News

Really? Did Obama refusing to show BC for two years make you suspicious too?

 

[Jack steel]

I have not seen this talked about on the news once, so much for liberal media our to get him

REALLY??? Do you ever watch the news?? Lol its plastered all over the news Constantly since it happened like a year ago. All lib networks do is tell lies about Romney and talk about how much Obama has accomplished since he got it office (despite bush's faults that he dumped on poor Barrack ((( what a bunch of horse cum!

 

[Headholio]

Really? Did Obama refusing to show BC for two years make you suspicious too?

You don't really believe that do you?
You're kind of embarrassing yourself.
You believe in martians but not real live birth certificates.

 

[Sust 350]

what are you talking about? The bush tax cuts included cuts to the middle class. Obama even extended the Bush tax.

When does a government take out a tax when it's in place already?

 

[goose333]

Look up the definition of tax cut

 

[Sust 350]

Look up the definition of tax cut

First u don't have to be a smart ass about it. Second why would u tax cut if ur economy is doing shit. Those taxes that bush put in is already doing something. Now if u cut or take out those taxes where is that money going to come from to replace it.

 

[goose333]

The answer should be to cut government spending instead
of raising our taxes or ending the tax cuts or whatever. Seeing how OB spends our money I dont see him making any cuts to spending.

 

[Jack steel]

I didn't say he did anything illegal, but I said he might have, and I think that is a reasonable possibility. We don't know what he is hiding, but whatever it is, it is worth being criticized, worth the damage to his image, and credibility, and respect of many Americans, including in his own party.
So what is it? There are lots of complex tax laws that could be interpreted wrongly, even by experts, unintentionally. Maybe he didn't do anything illegal, but he lied in his speeches about where his money comes from, how he got it, who he damaged to get it etc. Maybe it will show how he uses overseas accounts to dodge taxes, which may be legal, but may not be looked apon as favorably as a regular tax loophole to the American people. I have no problem speculating about all kinds of bad things Romney might have done. That is price he has chosen to pay for not disclosing. The imagination of the people is usually worse than the actual truth, but he apparently doesn't see it that way.

I never said his return is too complex to audit. Are you twisting my words now for lack of a better case?
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If that's still to complicated for you I'll simplify. Your "common sense" assumption that the IRS already looked at his returns and would have found any problems with them is incorrect. The IRS never looks at most returns.

The IRS, a govt. Funded agency? I guess they wouldn't be inclined to help a BIG GOVT. liberal keep his seat in office would they?? Naaah!

 

[Headholio]

The IRS, a govt. Funded agency? I guess they wouldn't be inclined to help a BIG GOVT. liberal keep his seat in office would they?? Naaah!

You are just full of conspiracy theories today aren't you Jack.
Anything in particular the IRS is doing to help Obama?

 

[Jack steel]

You don't really believe that do you?
You're kind of embarrassing yourself.
You believe in martians but not real live birth certificates.

You mean proven photoshopped birth certificate released half-assed after 2 years of refusing to even though it's supposedly so much simpler to release tax info? Oh ya ...that doesn't count. If you think I'm incredible because I believe in life on other planets then you're just as arrogant as I thought... Not to mention stupid.

 

[Jack steel]

You are just full of conspiracy theories today aren't you Jack.
Anything in particular the IRS is doing to help Obama?

Oooh, right, I get it. For years liberals have been the lords of conspiracy theories, but when someone calls out a democrat politician it's zero tolerance for calling out shady presidents. You're so blind dude. And I didn't say the IRS is working for Obama, but considering the undeniable fact that media (aside from fox) filters all content to make Obama look good doesn't make me feel any better about the IRS who basically fucks people for the government. Aanddd... He wants to raise the IRS budget :/.... Oh ya have YOU actaully seen the BC yourself? I kinda doubt it. Did you know there's recording of barracks mom saying he was born in Kenya? I've heard it. You're blindly trying to defend someone who's indefensible. Btw I don't want you to think I'm picking on your statements because of the Martian thing. I didn't realize it was even you until you came back with a smart ass reply... Then I recognized ya