Wow!!fellow iron pumpers don't miss this!!

[gladtobealive]

Now that I have your attention PLEASE read ALL!!
I have been contenplating joining EF for a long time and was HOPING that MAYBE I would be WELCOMED and be showed some LOVE from My fellow Iron Pumpers!!
I'll make it quick, Brand New to AAS. Work My Ass off in the Gym at 40+ with pain , soreness and all the LIONHEARTEDNESS and VEROSITY it takes to be SERIOUS in the Gym. 3-4 hours per session heavy 3-4 times a week, tried all supplements ( They All Suck) IMHO.It's not a social club for Me I have been all natural and have made huge gains but, have reached a Plateau and it has taken a LOT of dedication, PAIN, SORENESS, and WORK over the last 4 years those of You that work that hard at over 40 know what I mean!!
Here is My Delima:
Too many choices Injectibles, Orals, AAS, Peptides, SAARS etc.... I'm overwhelmed!!
I am 40+ and Hardcore, I don't want to take baby steps and also don't want to make foolish mistakes, I am too old for experiences and mistakes, want to do it right and keep it right the 1st time out that is why I joined!! So, Please no guessing and maybe if's. I need an experienced Big Brother.
I want To get HUGE!!
Want a great detailed 12 week for Mass and Strength and Lean Muscle Mass with detailed instructions. Dosages , locations, quantities of how much product and accesories I'll need, heck I don't even know how or where to give Myself a shot!! I'm Humbly Honest. Along with PCT and Estrogen blockers.
I want to avoid Deca Dick ( I read about this a lot) as I Love My Wife and We are very active, and also have PMB in My Family but, I have a full head of Hair and would like to keep it that way as much as possible. Also, avoid organ damage. I'm not stupid and I know this is complicated stuff here and there is a lot to it.
Pain and hard work I can handle. I used to be Rich but, not anymore so Money is an issue, Lot's of Children.
So PLEASE I'm begging here if You have A Heart and or compassion for "A BROTHER IN THE IRON".
And have enough experience and knowledge I would greatly appreciatte any help. Thinking of U.Z. for gear?
I don't know the safest way to communicate on here but, I have an email here also.
PLEASE some of You experienced BROTHERS out there
HELP ME!!
Thank You for Your Time in Advance
gladtobealive

 

[muscleaddiction]

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/taking-anabolic-steroids-101-a-642856.html

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...e-support-drug-steroid-user-bible-778853.html

Well first off welcome! Secondly, I will have to say that WOW is right...a lot if info to decipher there bro. We Iron Brothers all have to do our homework and nobody is different...so if you haven't read these "stickies" it would be good for you to do so to get you somewhat acquainted. We won't just tell you what to do, what to take, and when to take it...oh, and how.

I appreciate your straightforwardness...but you need to do some homework on your own brother! I have no problem helping you but want you to do some of your own research.

Read these, and come back and lets see what you get out of them...like first cycle recommendations with PCT? On cycle support? The basic simple things...then there are many...MANY...iron brothers here that will help you reach your goals to hugeness!!!

Oh, and current stats? Weight, height, stuff like that

 

[Nelson Montana]

Now that I have your attention PLEASE read ALL!!
I have been contenplating joining EF for a long time and was HOPING that MAYBE I would be WELCOMED and be showed some LOVE from My fellow Iron Pumpers!!
I'll make it quick, Brand New to AAS. Work My Ass off in the Gym at 40+ with pain , soreness and all the LIONHEARTEDNESS and VEROSITY it takes to be SERIOUS in the Gym. 3-4 hours per session heavy 3-4 times a week, tried all supplements ( They All Suck) IMHO.It's not a social club for Me I have been all natural and have made huge gains but, have reached a Plateau and it has taken a LOT of dedication, PAIN, SORENESS, and WORK over the last 4 years those of You that work that hard at over 40 know what I mean!!
Here is My Delima:
Too many choices Injectibles, Orals, AAS, Peptides, SAARS etc.... I'm overwhelmed!!
I am 40+ and Hardcore, I don't want to take baby steps and also don't want to make foolish mistakes, I am too old for experiences and mistakes, want to do it right and keep it right the 1st time out that is why I joined!! So, Please no guessing and maybe if's. I need an experienced Big Brother.
I want To get HUGE!!
Want a great detailed 12 week for Mass and Strength and Lean Muscle Mass with detailed instructions. Dosages , locations, quantities of how much product and accesories I'll need, heck I don't even know how or where to give Myself a shot!! I'm Humbly Honest. Along with PCT and Estrogen blockers.
I want to avoid Deca Dick ( I read about this a lot) as I Love My Wife and We are very active, and also have PMB in My Family but, I have a full head of Hair and would like to keep it that way as much as possible. Also, avoid organ damage. I'm not stupid and I know this is complicated stuff here and there is a lot to it.
Pain and hard work I can handle. I used to be Rich but, not anymore so Money is an issue, Lot's of Children.
So PLEASE I'm begging here if You have A Heart and or compassion for "A BROTHER IN THE IRON".
And have enough experience and knowledge I would greatly appreciatte any help. Thinking of U.Z. for gear?
I don't know the safest way to communicate on here but, I have an email here also.
PLEASE some of You experienced BROTHERS out there
HELP ME!!
Thank You for Your Time in Advance
gladtobealive

This is like some of the PM's I get. 'PLEASE GIVE ME A DETAILED PROGRAM WITH LOTS OF DIET AND SUPPLEMENT ADVICE, SUGGESTIONS ON WHAT STACKS TO USE, INPUT AND INSTRUCTIONS. THEN PLEASE COME OVER AND WIPE MY ASS FOR ME. "

Come on bro -- you want that, order a consultation with one of the registered experts. Otherwise, keep it simple. Thanks.

 

[gladtobealive]

Well, Thank You Muscle Addiction!! You are My 1st reply. I appreciatte Your reply
and Happy Fathers Day!!
My Stats: 44, 5'10 , 212lbs solid. 16% BMI. Big Framed Bones have worked all My Life hard until 2007
Diet:
Morning shake, Frozen Blueberries, walnuts, 2 raw safe eggs whole, banana, 2 scoops PP with almond rice milk mix.
Meal 2: Cantelope, Yogurt with walnuts.
Meal 3: Lunch Meat and 2 cups rice and green tea. Sometimes a Blimpie Sub.
Meal4: Protein Bar
Meal5: Beef , Deer, Buffalo, Sweet potatoe and greens.
Meal6: Popcorn and Chocalate with movie more green tea and Honey.
Meal7: Same as 1st Shake before Bed. Cassien Powder
Workout Days Almond butter, Banana , Honey Sandwich 1 hour before workout and
protein shake isolate with water after.
I started the Eat-Right-For-Blood type diet after Doctor visit. Got Me off heartburn medicine and feel 1000 ntimes better.
Great diet check it out if You can.
I NEVER eat fast food. No fries etc....
Also, Take fish oil, L-Glut. Argen. Chews 4 times a day , Kroytene Tabs the purple ones.
And an Extreme Athelete pack of vitamins in morning.

At 40 I went for check up and learned blood count was off, (Platelets Low) and had to be put on thyroid armour
and quit drinking beer and started working out again. ( Miss the Beer!!)
Got started with a great Guy 6'4 260 and CPT. He worked My A** off I mean to the point of puking at 1st! And Sore as Hell all the time. PAIN!!
Went so heavy Low Platelets caused purple spots on Face on Heavy days.
Great Guy got Me back in the game of Muscle Building which I needed because I was deeply depressed about
My business falling apart due to the economy spent 1 1/2 years on couch ready to put a bullet in My head.
Was Rich and Lost everything trying to hold on to everything for 3 years. Had over 100 workers at 1 time.
I am sure My Workout Brother went the AAS route but, would never admit it stretch marks, hair loss , veins and Huge
I was staying natual HaHa . Tried Andr. RX and numerous useless supplements I didnt have money for anyways.
So there it is still pumping iron hard but at plateau, with shoulder pain. Been working rotator cuff exercises hard too.

Nelson, I appreciatte Your animosity. Wow 02 join status Impressive
I know You have done the time!! Paid the Piper!! Invested Deeply Financially , Physically, and
have had to " Earn Your Stripes!!" And Muscles!!
And I should too, I RESPECT that and You!! Shout out to NY!! I'm a Southern Boy but, went there and helped when the
shit hit the fan up there. Never seen anything like it, I still pray for Ya'll!!
But, I am not some 19 year old kid just PM'd You that hasn't spent time researching dieting or working out properly because there is
NOONE and I mean NOONE with the intensity I have in the Gym, not even close!! I just cannot get the results I'm looking for
naturally. I have dedicated Myself to it and tried every supplement out there, waste of Money!! IMHO after much research.
And I reluctantly took the plunge after almost a year of watching this site and debating hoping , praying I could find a Big Brother
to help Me along.
I'll admit I'm very scared about this, I am!! In oh so many ways!!
And I Love My hair, Health and Sex with My Wife and My freedom. I don't want to make foolish beginner
mistakes!! I know absolutely NOTHING about it except all of the "Opinions" I have wasted time reading Opinions are like
well You know. Uneducated Information is everywhere!! Along with unreversable mistakes!! I am trying to avoid that if I
get Lucky enough through much Prayer , research and supplication in My quest to find a Big Brother here.
When I had Money I was working 18 hours a day most of the time but, would be happy to pay 325 reoccurring charge for Pro
Consultation. Unfortunetly now all I do is work, Workout, Love My Family go to bed and repeat. Not a lot of time to research and read
or Money to Buy books and all that wouldn't have time to read them anyway. I have started a new Biz and scraping by just barely
keeping My head above water. Cannot afford time or mistakes at this point in My Life. I ain't getting any Younger made enough mistakes already.

So, I will wait for Big Brother, listen to muscleaddiction and try if I get enough time to read the stickys again but, I know My end
goal and how to get there workout and Diet wise but, I am clueless with this and was hoping and praying for guidance.
Thanks Again for Your time in advance.
Humbly, Glad To Be Alive!!

 

[muscleaddiction]

Well, Thank You Muscle Addiction!! You are My 1st reply. I appreciatte Your reply
and Happy Fathers Day!!
My Stats: 44, 5'10 , 212lbs solid. 16% BMI. Big Framed Bones have worked all My Life hard until 2007
Diet:
Morning shake, Frozen Blueberries, walnuts, 2 raw safe eggs whole, banana, 2 scoops PP with almond rice milk mix.
Meal 2: Cantelope, Yogurt with walnuts.
Meal 3: Lunch Meat and 2 cups rice and green tea. Sometimes a Blimpie Sub.
Meal4: Protein Bar
Meal5: Beef , Deer, Buffalo, Sweet potatoe and greens.
Meal6: Popcorn and Chocalate with movie more green tea and Honey.
Meal7: Same as 1st Shake before Bed. Cassien Powder
Workout Days Almond butter, Banana , Honey Sandwich 1 hour before workout and
protein shake isolate with water after.
I started the Eat-Right-For-Blood type diet after Doctor visit. Got Me off heartburn medicine and feel 1000 ntimes better.
Great diet check it out if You can.
I NEVER eat fast food. No fries etc....
Also, Take fish oil, L-Glut. Argen. Chews 4 times a day , Kroytene Tabs the purple ones.
And an Extreme Athelete pack of vitamins in morning.

At 40 I went for check up and learned blood count was off, (Platelets Low) and had to be put on thyroid armour
and quit drinking beer and started working out again. ( Miss the Beer!!)
Got started with a great Guy 6'4 260 and CPT. He worked My A** off I mean to the point of puking at 1st! And Sore as Hell all the time. PAIN!!
Went so heavy Low Platelets caused purple spots on Face on Heavy days.
Great Guy got Me back in the game of Muscle Building which I needed because I was deeply depressed about
My business falling apart due to the economy spent 1 1/2 years on couch ready to put a bullet in My head.
Was Rich and Lost everything trying to hold on to everything for 3 years. Had over 100 workers at 1 time.
I am sure My Workout Brother went the AAS route but, would never admit it stretch marks, hair loss , veins and Huge
I was staying natual HaHa . Tried Andr. RX and numerous useless supplements I didnt have money for anyways.
So there it is still pumping iron hard but at plateau, with shoulder pain. Been working rotator cuff exercises hard too.

Nelson, I appreciatte Your animosity. Wow 02 join status Impressive
I know You have done the time!! Paid the Piper!! Invested Deeply Financially , Physically, and
have had to " Earn Your Stripes!!" And Muscles!!
And I should too, I RESPECT that and You!! Shout out to NY!! I'm a Southern Boy but, went there and helped when the
shit hit the fan up there. Never seen anything like it, I still pray for Ya'll!!
But, I am not some 19 year old kid just PM'd You that hasn't spent time researching dieting or working out properly because there is
NOONE and I mean NOONE with the intensity I have in the Gym, not even close!! I just cannot get the results I'm looking for
naturally. I have dedicated Myself to it and tried every supplement out there, waste of Money!! IMHO after much research.
And I reluctantly took the plunge after almost a year of watching this site and debating hoping , praying I could find a Big Brother
to help Me along.
I'll admit I'm very scared about this, I am!! In oh so many ways!!
And I Love My hair, Health and Sex with My Wife and My freedom. I don't want to make foolish beginner
mistakes!! I know absolutely NOTHING about it except all of the "Opinions" I have wasted time reading Opinions are like
well You know. Uneducated Information is everywhere!! Along with unreversable mistakes!! I am trying to avoid that if I
get Lucky enough through much Prayer , research and supplication in My quest to find a Big Brother here.
When I had Money I was working 18 hours a day most of the time but, would be happy to pay 325 reoccurring charge for Pro
Consultation. Unfortunetly now all I do is work, Workout, Love My Family go to bed and repeat. Not a lot of time to research and read
or Money to Buy books and all that wouldn't have time to read them anyway. I have started a new Biz and scraping by just barely
keeping My head above water. Cannot afford time or mistakes at this point in My Life. I ain't getting any Younger made enough mistakes already.

So, I will wait for Big Brother, listen to muscleaddiction and try if I get enough time to read the stickys again but, I know My end
goal and how to get there workout and Diet wise but, I am clueless with this and was hoping and praying for guidance.
Thanks Again for Your time in advance.
Humbly, Glad To Be Alive!!

A ton to read...and quite the story bro, let me eat my dads day dinner and I will read this novel more intently, and we will go from there...PM me and we can discuss more on detail off forum...us old guys stick together .

Sent from my DROID BIONIC using EliteFitness

 

[dylangemelli]

Well, Thank You Muscle Addiction!! You are My 1st reply. I appreciatte Your reply
and Happy Fathers Day!!
My Stats: 44, 5'10 , 212lbs solid. 16% BMI. Big Framed Bones have worked all My Life hard until 2007
Diet:
Morning shake, Frozen Blueberries, walnuts, 2 raw safe eggs whole, banana, 2 scoops PP with almond rice milk mix.
Meal 2: Cantelope, Yogurt with walnuts.
Meal 3: Lunch Meat and 2 cups rice and green tea. Sometimes a Blimpie Sub.
Meal4: Protein Bar
Meal5: Beef , Deer, Buffalo, Sweet potatoe and greens.
Meal6: Popcorn and Chocalate with movie more green tea and Honey.
Meal7: Same as 1st Shake before Bed. Cassien Powder
Workout Days Almond butter, Banana , Honey Sandwich 1 hour before workout and
protein shake isolate with water after.
I started the Eat-Right-For-Blood type diet after Doctor visit. Got Me off heartburn medicine and feel 1000 ntimes better.
Great diet check it out if You can.
I NEVER eat fast food. No fries etc....
Also, Take fish oil, L-Glut. Argen. Chews 4 times a day , Kroytene Tabs the purple ones.
And an Extreme Athelete pack of vitamins in morning.

At 40 I went for check up and learned blood count was off, (Platelets Low) and had to be put on thyroid armour
and quit drinking beer and started working out again. ( Miss the Beer!!)
Got started with a great Guy 6'4 260 and CPT. He worked My A** off I mean to the point of puking at 1st! And Sore as Hell all the time. PAIN!!
Went so heavy Low Platelets caused purple spots on Face on Heavy days.
Great Guy got Me back in the game of Muscle Building which I needed because I was deeply depressed about
My business falling apart due to the economy spent 1 1/2 years on couch ready to put a bullet in My head.
Was Rich and Lost everything trying to hold on to everything for 3 years. Had over 100 workers at 1 time.
I am sure My Workout Brother went the AAS route but, would never admit it stretch marks, hair loss , veins and Huge
I was staying natual HaHa . Tried Andr. RX and numerous useless supplements I didnt have money for anyways.
So there it is still pumping iron hard but at plateau, with shoulder pain. Been working rotator cuff exercises hard too.

Nelson, I appreciatte Your animosity. Wow 02 join status Impressive
I know You have done the time!! Paid the Piper!! Invested Deeply Financially , Physically, and
have had to " Earn Your Stripes!!" And Muscles!!
And I should too, I RESPECT that and You!! Shout out to NY!! I'm a Southern Boy but, went there and helped when the
shit hit the fan up there. Never seen anything like it, I still pray for Ya'll!!
But, I am not some 19 year old kid just PM'd You that hasn't spent time researching dieting or working out properly because there is
NOONE and I mean NOONE with the intensity I have in the Gym, not even close!! I just cannot get the results I'm looking for
naturally. I have dedicated Myself to it and tried every supplement out there, waste of Money!! IMHO after much research.
And I reluctantly took the plunge after almost a year of watching this site and debating hoping , praying I could find a Big Brother
to help Me along.
I'll admit I'm very scared about this, I am!! In oh so many ways!!
And I Love My hair, Health and Sex with My Wife and My freedom. I don't want to make foolish beginner
mistakes!! I know absolutely NOTHING about it except all of the "Opinions" I have wasted time reading Opinions are like
well You know. Uneducated Information is everywhere!! Along with unreversable mistakes!! I am trying to avoid that if I
get Lucky enough through much Prayer , research and supplication in My quest to find a Big Brother here.
When I had Money I was working 18 hours a day most of the time but, would be happy to pay 325 reoccurring charge for Pro
Consultation. Unfortunetly now all I do is work, Workout, Love My Family go to bed and repeat. Not a lot of time to research and read
or Money to Buy books and all that wouldn't have time to read them anyway. I have started a new Biz and scraping by just barely
keeping My head above water. Cannot afford time or mistakes at this point in My Life. I ain't getting any Younger made enough mistakes already.

So, I will wait for Big Brother, listen to muscleaddiction and try if I get enough time to read the stickys again but, I know My end
goal and how to get there workout and Diet wise but, I am clueless with this and was hoping and praying for guidance.
Thanks Again for Your time in advance.
Humbly, Glad To Be Alive!!

i assure you this, there is someone that has more intensity that you can imagine in the gym my friend...

 

[gladtobealive]

Hello Dylan,
28 Years ago I used to work out in a place called The 'Animal Iron Factory' So I am aware
of Intensity in the Gym. If You will read the post You quoted Me on I said "The Gym" which
was referring to "My Gym." At the 'Animal Iron Factory' They were darting while working out it was INSANE!!
Way more than My 40+ year old A** is capable of these Days ,so Trust Me I have seen it all.
Iv'e gained almost 30 Lbs. of solid Muscle in almost the past 4 Years over 40 using nothing more than
protein shakes and store bought supplements starting with _ Star Wallie World Protein. My bench
went up 210Lbs during this time just for starters.
That being said Dylan , let Me clarify. I work out 10-20 TIMES Harder than "ANYONE IN MY GYM"
Thanks for clearing that up for Us ALL, I appreciatte Your help We shall ALL sleep beter now!!
I'm still just : Glad To Be Alive

 

[Judo Tom]

your diet could definitely be improved.

when you gains slow you need to up the cals

 

[gladtobealive]

Thanks Judo Tom.
I am always open to suggestions, let Me know what You think I should add or take away.
I prepare a lot to make time and efforts for My diet.
Appreciatte Your time.
Glad To Be Alive

 

[Zyglamail]

3-4 hours per session heavy 3-4 times a week

You dont grow in the gym, you grow while resting. As someone who is mod 40's I can just about guarantee you are spending WAAAAY too much time in the gym. If you arent making decent gains in an hour a day, 4 days a week your doing something wrong.

What exactly are your goals from a fitness standpoint (sorry if I missed it)?

 

[gladtobealive]

Thank You Zyglamail!! Yes, I know that gains and growing is done out of the Gym. But, it is very hard for Me to hold back. I'm sure there has been
overtraining on My part but, I also train My Son 16 5' 10, 145Lbs. Bench 265 (started at 140 1 1/2 years ago) and His Bud 18 ( He just started a few months ago) so We spot each other and Hit it hard, that's part of the time consumed with Him it has gone to almost 4+ hours per session sometimes longer
on day off Chest, back, calves, abs, neck, traps day. LONG DAY!! I push Them hard literally watching Them grow and get stronger every workout, pretty cool!!
I would have Loved to had that at Their ages!! But, none the less I am lifting at least 2 1/2 hours steady even with that 3-4 Days a week no sitting and talking only time spent otherwise checking Their technique. (still too much I know)
Concentrating on alternating methods as far as heavy then drop sets then negatives. Free weights, cables, machines, dumbbells etc....
Long regiminedesined by CPT and Myself. Very complex and detailed workouts hitting every muscle group. And each aspect of
that muscle group. Different methods, grips (pro-nated supinated) , techniques. I will write about it when I get time. Lots of alternating Muscle groups to avoid fatigue and lots of push-pull. Are workouts are so vigorous they provide cardio as well while lifting but, I also do cardio in non-lifting days.
Goals: To be and Look in the BEST shape of My Life and the strongest every aspect. Wanna be Huge and Cut after I get the desired bulk.
I want ALL muscles to be there, Example: Guy in My Gym benches 405 can't budge cable fly 50 Lbs. very 1 sided plan.
I put in the effort and the time in the Gym and My diet and Lifestyle, No Booze or other stuff. All healthy eating and drinking. Have
givin up a lot of stuff to get where I am now.
That's why I am looking HERE for some help!!
Thanks for Your time. Glad To Be Alive!!

 

[Judo Tom]

if you want to make gains you need to balance the equation.. either eat more and sleep more .. or train less.

but.. there is a certain amount of volume/work that you just cant eat or rest enough to recover from.

its not the guy who works the hardest.. its the guy who works the smartest.

 

[TheSVPdeal]

Gladtobealive although I appreciate your confidence, you come off a little condescending here. That advice being given is to incorporate more rest and to do a little research.

You "want to get huge"? I'm sure you will! Just do your due diligence. Good luck, Bro. Post your proposed cycle and PCT and we'll help you out.

 

[gladtobealive]

Judo Tom,
I was hoping You seen some gaps or holes in My diet and had some advise for Me from Your 1st post. I know
My routine is a tough one I suffer from it. Sore all the time. I have to take a week off, next week for Charity so
will give Me 7 days of much needed rest from Lifting. Thanks for reading and for the help, I appreciatte it.
It is hard to let off with these teenagers, They are addicted to the soreness. They both got into a little trouble
and so now instead of being into things that are bad for Them, I got Them into Physical Fitness, Rather have Them
addicted to that than other things. Good Kids just got around the wrong crowd for a quick minute, guess We've all
been there?
I also have a Personality that leads Me over the Top on EVERYTHING I do, sometimes thats a good thing and sometimes
it comes back to bite Me on the a**.

Hello thesvpdeal,
I am here for help, and CERTAINLY don't mean to sound condescending here!! So, if I came off that way I
didn't mean to for sure. Sarcasm won't gain Me any Friends. Please also read the above with the teenagers
issue. I have made a committment to Them as well as Myself, and They have fallen in Love with working out
and unfortunetly for Me recouperation time is different.
I DO need more rest but, if You have read all the lengthy posts (and sorry for that I am very thorough though)
I thought I would be semi-retired by now and unfortunetly now I am starting all over except the difference is this
time I'm twice the age I was the 1st time. So schedule is so very hectic right now and it is sometimes 'hard to see from inside the ring'
(I boxed for 3 years looooong time ago) so I do appreciatte and value greatly Your input and also the time that You have taken
from Your Life, to be a part of Mine!!
Friends??
Glad To Be Alive!!

 

[ceo]

Like Zyg said, you are spending WAY too much time in the gym. In and out in 1:15-1:30, tops. That includes warmup and stretching.

Go read this thread:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/weight-training-weight-lifting/ultimate-training-split-650464.html

Also look at the madcow 5x5 for intermediate lifters, here: Bill Starr 5x5 - Madcow Intermediate or Linear Version

 

[ceo]

Your son started out weighing 140 and is now only 145 in 1.5 years of training, but he has a 265lb bench? If he is trying to gain weight, he needs to eat more and workout less. It's good that he has gained a lot of strength, but I don't see that continuing much more at this rate (3-4 hours in the gym doing so much volume).

You said you don't have time to research and read? All you have time for now is to, "work, Workout, Love My Family go to bed and repeat"? Well, if you cut your gym time down from 3-4 hours to 1-1.5 hours, you would have more time to research and read, or love your family. Both of which are very important.

 

[Judo Tom]

look i train people much younger then me and I need to push them much harder then I do myself or the people who i train who are 40, 50 and yes 60 years old. If I did the same workout my teens/20 year old fighters/competitors did it would not be as beneficial for me as the workout I do. Same goes for the 50/60 year old competitors.. know way does it make sense for them to do what I put the 20 year old guys through.. oh yeah it would be cool and tough but it would not get the RESULTS.... its all about the results... well it should be.

you need to maximize your training for your goals.. not just do a shit ton of work because it is hard.

diet to me is simple. you need more cals and more protein. and keep a log. without a log you do not know what you are eating. you kinda know or you have an idea. but keeping a detailed log you KNOW.

 

[gladtobealive]

Your son started out weighing 140 and is now only 145 in 1.5 years of training, but he has a 265lb bench? If he is trying to gain weight, he needs to eat more and workout less. It's good that he has gained a lot of strength, but I don't see that continuing much more at this rate (3-4 hours in the gym doing so much volume).

Hello CEO,
Sorry been busy,
Sons weight was 128Lbs with 140 bench and now He weighs 148 with 265 bench.
Good gains for 14 1/2-16. His metabolism is crazy fast and He is a HSW which is a
sport where extreme dieting is required, it has shrunk His stomach!! I try getting Him to eat more and He does stuff Himself with good stuff but, He can't keep an ounce of fat on Him
His body is in overdrive sure would like for Mine to work that fast still.
I read the training split You sent but, going all natural like I have been I believe that different rules apply ,also those workouts don't meet My Own Personal criteria for covering every Muscle Group. When I get a moment I will sit and Post My typical week workout's it is going toi take a while,and THEN You can see what I'm referring to and I will probably REALLY catch some Flak from all You Guys I'm sure of it.
You definetly must work harder going natural though!!
I've been working harder and Now it's time for Me to get smarter!!
Thanks also Judo Tom!!
I appreciatte and respect all of My Fellow Brothers in Iron's Input Greatly!!
Glad To Be Alive!!

 

[Zyglamail]

I read the training split You sent but, going all natural like I have been I believe that different rules apply ,also those workouts don't meet My Own Personal criteria for covering every Muscle Group.

I have a feeling you follow a typical high volume, lot of isolation work type routine and I am here to tell you that, as someone who has been there, done that, it is holding you back.

Its especially important for natural athletes to work smarter NOT harder. One of the biggest benefits of AAS is the enhanced recovery so if your natural its even more important for you to not follow a proBB split with lots of isolation work, its waaaaay too much volume for a natural lifter.

You need to get in, work heavy and hard and get out so you can recover.

Unless your looking to compete in a masters physique contest or have a seriously lagging bodypart there is absolutely no reason to do isolation work (with a couple small exceptions such as direct rotator cuff work etc).

You want mass? Stick to heavy compound movements!

 

[ceo]

Your son started out weighing 140 and is now only 145 in 1.5 years of training, but he has a 265lb bench? If he is trying to gain weight, he needs to eat more and workout less. It's good that he has gained a lot of strength, but I don't see that continuing much more at this rate (3-4 hours in the gym doing so much volume).

Hello CEO,
Sorry been busy,
Sons weight was 128Lbs with 140 bench and now He weighs 148 with 265 bench.
Good gains for 14 1/2-16. His metabolism is crazy fast and He is a HSW which is a
sport where extreme dieting is required, it has shrunk His stomach!! I try getting Him to eat more and He does stuff Himself with good stuff but, He can't keep an ounce of fat on Him
His body is in overdrive sure would like for Mine to work that fast still.
I read the training split You sent but, going all natural like I have been I believe that different rules apply ,also those workouts don't meet My Own Personal criteria for covering every Muscle Group. When I get a moment I will sit and Post My typical week workout's it is going toi take a while,and THEN You can see what I'm referring to and I will probably REALLY catch some Flak from all You Guys I'm sure of it.
You definetly must work harder going natural though!!
I've been working harder and Now it's time for Me to get smarter!!
Thanks also Judo Tom!!
I appreciatte and respect all of My Fellow Brothers in Iron's Input Greatly!!
Glad To Be Alive!!

Understand about your boy. I was the same way. I wish I knew then what I know now, or had someone telling me then what I am telling you now.

Zyg and I are both telling you that you and your son would both be better served by doing a lower volume training like I linked you to. You would both recover better, grow better and have more time outside the gym.

You talk about going all natural? The type of training you are doing is best served for those who are not only taking loads of AAS, but are also genetically very gifted (in other words, not you or your son). No offense bro, but you are one hard headed SOB. You don't need all that isolation work. Doing compound lifts recruits all the muscles you are isolating in 1/4 or less of the exercises.

You got it wrong bro. You shouldn't be working harder going natural. Harder in the sense that you are doing 4 times the volume (amount of training) that you need, which seems to be what you mean by "working harder". Being natural (and especially older) you don't have the ability to recover properly from all of that training before you hit that muscle group again. You are right though...now it's time for you to get smarter. Get smarter by listening to those who are offering you smarter advice than what you are doing.

At this point I don't know how else I can get across to you other than to simply tell you that you are flat out wrong and you aren't serving you or your son well by sticking to this prideful notion that you are right. You are holding on to this idea too long like you held on to a failing business for 3 years. Learn from that and don't take 3 years to make a change for the better again.

 

[Ox-Sandra-Loan]

Gladtobealive,

You seem like a very nice guy, caring for and loving your family...you just come across as a geniunely likeable guy. And...like many of us here...you are STUBBORN! This is often a good trait, and it helps us to push through when the going gets tough. But you need to realize..there is some tough love on this thread...this place is a treasure trove of knowledge and experience, so when people tell you that you need to totally change your training routine, it is only because it is the absolute truth! Hitting every muscle group individually, and from multiple angles is not only unnecessary, it is even counter-productive, especially at this point. Heavy, compound exercises are where its at!
Let me say that again: HEAVY COMPOUND EXERCISES!!!
I am sure your current routine is a tough one, but that doesn't make it a good one.
Please listen to the good brothers on this thread and on this forum, and please, please consider doing a programs like has been suggested, ie: a 5x5, or at least something that is mostly based on (here it comes again...) HEAVY COMPOUND EXERCISES!!! If you feel you really must add a bit (a little bit!) of extra work on a particular part you want to bring up, that is likely going to be fine, but what you are doing now is no good.
You came here for advice, but you seem resistant to accepting the best advice given in this thread. It happens a lot here, and I mostly ignore people that do it, but...I don't know...something about your story and your posts makes me think you are a really good guy, so I am trying to convince you to please listen to the advice given here. You can get great advice on nutrition, drugs, etc here....but you really really need to put your ego on the shelf (hard for many of us at times, myself included) and accept the advice on your training also.
You have the work ethic to go far, but I would hate to see you waste that hard work on an unproductive routine.
Bottom line: change your training! CHANGE IT!

 

[gladtobealive]

BOOM!!
Zyglamail, you hit the nail on the head!! Isolation and every muscle, every grip, different methods
='s LOADS of hard work!! Also, spot on with the recovery it seems to never catch up with My schedule
I am hoping with AAS and that is why I turned this way that I can reach a new plateau.
I would Love to hear Your" been there done that and learned from it"!!

1 example of Chest and back day. I always do push/ pull or at least stretch same day and different muscle groups.
To avoid crampimg and fatigue.
4-5 sets flat different styles, 4-5 sets extremely declined with barbell and DB's. 4-5 sets of Incline.
Then cable flys Low, Medium and High also cross-over with technique as a premium. I include heavy
drop-sets , machine fly's also different weighted declined pushups, in between all this back with cables reverse machine flys for
rhomboids minor and major squeezing. chainsaws , deadlifts, back machine. E-Z curl in Roman chair for back extensions,
pro-nated and supinated back machines with alternating weights, seated cable rows wide, medium and narrow bars with drop-sets
included. Along with Traps, and deep decline abs with 45's on head and on and on!! That's a very tough 4 hour day!!
And I'm sure I didn't mention everything. I was working Bi's and Tri's same day long time ago, worked so hard arms felt
like They were going to explode!! So split Them up.
Bi's and Legs, along with traps ( for stretch) , abs, neck.
Tri's with lats (for pull stretch) shoulders, traps and ab's and calves and glutes.
Too many to list with lots of Isolation!!
Wow!! even writing it wears Me out!! You Guys have a point, I am just a very determined Person!!

CEO, Man Brother a Lil rough , SOB?? Hard-Headed definetly in more ways than 1, and Yep always
willing to go down with the Ship, so to speak. To the point of hitting the Ocean bottom and waiting for
an under current to bring it back up. Moms a Hard Headed Italian and Dad Hard-Headed Cherokee Indian!!
At least I get it Honest.
Please Guys laugh with me , not at Me!! After all We all want the same thing here.
Again, it does mean a lot to Me for You Guys to take time out of Your Day to try and help me out
I DO appreciatte Your Input Guys!! And will take it to heart.
Thanks, Glad To Be Alive!!

 

[ceo]

BOOM!!
Zyglamail, you hit the nail on the head!! Isolation and every muscle, every grip, different methods
='s LOADS of hard work!! Also, spot on with the recovery it seems to never catch up with My schedule
I am hoping with AAS and that is why I turned this way that I can reach a new plateau.
I would Love to hear Your" been there done that and learned from it"!!

1 example of Chest and back day. I always do push/ pull or at least stretch same day and different muscle groups.
To avoid crampimg and fatigue.
4-5 sets flat different styles, 4-5 sets extremely declined with barbell and DB's. 4-5 sets of Incline.
Then cable flys Low, Medium and High also cross-over with technique as a premium. I include heavy
drop-sets , machine fly's also different weighted declined pushups, in between all this back with cables reverse machine flys for
rhomboids minor and major squeezing. chainsaws , deadlifts, back machine. E-Z curl in Roman chair for back extensions,
pro-nated and supinated back machines with alternating weights, seated cable rows wide, medium and narrow bars with drop-sets
included. Along with Traps, and deep decline abs with 45's on head and on and on!! That's a very tough 4 hour day!!
And I'm sure I didn't mention everything. I was working Bi's and Tri's same day long time ago, worked so hard arms felt
like They were going to explode!! So split Them up.
Bi's and Legs, along with traps ( for stretch) , abs, neck.
Tri's with lats (for pull stretch) shoulders, traps and ab's and calves and glutes.
Too many to list with lots of Isolation!!
Wow!! even writing it wears Me out!! You Guys have a point, I am just a very determined Person!!

CEO, Man Brother a Lil rough , SOB?? Hard-Headed definetly in more ways than 1, and Yep always
willing to go down with the Ship, so to speak. To the point of hitting the Ocean bottom and waiting for
an under current to bring it back up. Moms a Hard Headed Italian and Dad Hard-Headed Cherokee Indian!!
At least I get it Honest.
Please Guys laugh with me , not at Me!! After all We all want the same thing here.
Again, it does mean a lot to Me for You Guys to take time out of Your Day to try and help me out
I DO appreciatte Your Input Guys!! And will take it to heart.
Thanks, Glad To Be Alive!!

That is absolutely unnecessary...and absolutely counter-productive. You are overtraining beyond belief, and you have no desire to change.

You think those big BBers got big by doing all that crap? LOL! Most of them started off doing PLing style routines like...yes, the 5x5, et.al.

 

[gladtobealive]

Hello ox-sandra-loan,
"You seem like a very nice guy, caring for and loving your family...you just come across as a geniunely likeable guy. "

Thank You so much for Your kindness, couldn't have come at a better time!!
I was writing while You posted and read afterwards.
Also, Thank You for not ignoring Me and sorry for posting typical dummy posts.
I will sincerely take all this info in and calculate it and try and change My ways through this thick Skull of mine, LOL
It won't happen overnight but, I WILL make it a work in Progress!!
AGAIN, Thank You so much for Your kind words it means alot to a Person like Myself, I do not
want to seem disrespectful or arrogant in any way, If there is 1 thing I've learned in Life it is to be
open to suggestions and obtain wisdom from wise People.
My Goal is just to be a better Me, And help as many People as I can along the way.
My methods May be off but, My Heart is in the right place.
Thank You for Your time, Glad to Be Alive!!

 

[-SD-]

Less self righteous diatribes, more concise and to the point posts. kthxbi

 

[gladtobealive]

Thanks

 

[Hev]

Well welcome to EF.... You seem like one of of those guys that everyone likes so let let me help you a little. I am new here too bro and trust me you are in the right place once it comes to this, but remember it is a privilege to be here not a right. These guys have a TON of knowledge and most importantly experience. Dylan helped me out too and like he said just PM him. 2nd if you put in as much time Into research as you do your posts you will do great!! Lastly and most importantly "READ" the posts on here as well as do research online. Trust me no one on here is going to do it for you man. Remember take all comments with a grain of salt and be open to criticism. The one thing that i have learned on here is there is always more to learn...Good luck man

 

[gladtobealive]

Thanks Hev
Good Luck to You also Brother!!

 

[jcmbbfuture]

Look up HIT training...its all about intensity. Go kill it and get out. Stimulate...dont annihilate. Its never about the amount of volume. Its all about intensity and muscular stimulation. All of that volume is over kill. Eat loads of good food and do HIT training and u will continue to grow. Period. Instead of doing more sets incorporate intensity boosting techniques such as rest pause, forced reps, drop sets, and partials. All of these will take your training to the next level. 80-90% of your gains start and end in the kitchen. Get the diet and training down and u will GROW!!!

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[UA_Iron]

I hit you with Red.

You want a 'CNN' version to obtaining your goals, and by age 40 you should know that this is a fallacious way of thinking. I don't think it's that difficult to read around and get a better general idea of whats going on with everything.

If you're that hell-bent on it and dont want do the research, pay someone the $$, hold their hand and skip to some temporary solution.

 

[gladtobealive]

Thanks UA Iron,
What makes You think I haven't read tons of info and done tons of
research? Did You read every page of this post or just this one?
I mentioned on another page I would post My workout when I got time
and that's all I was doing!! Did I say this is the best workout or
everyone needs to do this workout, NO. I simply stated what I was doing!!
I see You and S-D have been around a LONG time!! I respect that
BIG TIME and hopefully I can learn here. But, Make no mistake I have
put many hours and research time into diets and workout routine's and have tried
each of the one's that have been listed above 5x5, HIIT, 5/3/1, the Big 3 along with
many CPT's I've worked out with 1 of which had huge credentials in BB, MMA, KB
and many other certifications and awards, that I have built My current program
with along with certain princepals I liked form each of the above programs.
Those other routine's didn't work for Me then probably different with AAS.
I don't feel 1 particular program is right for EVERYONE, We are all different.
I have put in the time on the diet and workout routine research and due dilegence
in those areas.
I admit AAS is completely new to Me that's why I'm here and asked for
My hand to be held. If I screw that up I can permently damage My organs and
whole Life, and My Liberty!!
So, if You didn't read all the pages of this posting and just this one than I can see how
it may have come off the wrong way.
I am new here and just wanted to be thorough in My postings that's all. Don't really know
how to take the red thing other than like a Man, and to respect Your Opinions and leave it at
that.

 

[UA_Iron]

You'll be back in the green in no time bud. I appreciate your willingness to learn more about AAS.

In short, I dont think its the anabolics that are the hard part, its the details of all the other parts that are tough; PCT, on cycle support, most suited AI for combating sides etc.

Diet aspect is even harder to nail down, and 10x harder to follow with the kind of discipline necessary to keep up gains and stay lean.

 

[TheSVPdeal]

So much bla blah on this thread and it doesn't seem to be going anywhere.

Bro, your obviously not taking any of the advice given to you seriously. You dismiss it all. Go read around here and make a cycle up, post it and we will give you advice as I stated before. You spend so much time running in circles here that you could've posted the most simple and basic 10-15 week test cycle by now, complete with PCT and ancillaries.

Save us already.

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[UA_Iron]

My Stats: 44, 5'10 , 212lbs solid. 16% BMI. Big Framed Bones have worked all My Life hard until 2007
Diet:
Morning shake, Frozen Blueberries, walnuts, 2 raw safe eggs whole, banana, 2 scoops PP with almond rice milk mix.
Meal 2: Cantelope, Yogurt with walnuts.
Meal 3: Lunch Meat and 2 cups rice and green tea. Sometimes a Blimpie Sub.
Meal4: Protein Bar
Meal5: Beef , Deer, Buffalo, Sweet potatoe and greens.
Meal6: Popcorn and Chocalate with movie more green tea and Honey.
Meal7: Same as 1st Shake before Bed. Cassien Powder
Workout Days Almond butter, Banana , Honey Sandwich 1 hour before workout and
protein shake isolate with water after.
I started the Eat-Right-For-Blood type diet after Doctor visit. Got Me off heartburn medicine and feel 1000 ntimes better.
Great diet check it out if You can.
I NEVER eat fast food. No fries etc....
Also, Take fish oil, L-Glut. Argen. Chews 4 times a day , Kroytene Tabs the purple ones.
And an Extreme Athelete pack of vitamins in morning.

Goals: To be and Look in the BEST shape of My Life and the strongest every aspect. Wanna be Huge and Cut after I get the desired bulk.

A lot of carbs in your diet man. I'd cut out all bread personally, deli meats suck too (they're a processed meat with weird fillers in them). Yogurts are typically laced with a ton of sugar. If the above is what the "eating for you bloodtype" diet says you should be eating then I'd say it is not congruent with a lifestyle you wish to maintain.

I think even a Body For Life style diet is a better option than the above...

Your goals, are you sure you need steroids for them? P90X style workouts coupled with a solid diet yield great results for many people.

If you want to be bigger than the average person then maybe AAS are not a bad choice with some considerations:
1. As you retain more mass typically your cardio will suffer. Lifespan is also reduced typically.
2. Is your wife ready for waking up with a hard-on pressed up against her and some savage grunts and ass grabbing every single morning? (sounds silly, but in my experience not too many women can cut it).
3. Mood changes: it will probably increase because of your age. You will have a tendency to become more selfish (studies are out there reporting this phenomenon) - this may not be well suited for a family lifestyle though.
4. Impacts on cardiovascular system: Blood serum cholesterol ratios changing (for the worst, temporary though), blood pressure increasing...
5. The implications of never coming off: HRT may become a reality if recovery is difficult. Not completely unusual at age 40.
6. Psychological addiction: Hardly spoken of, but once you come off and see a lot of gains slipping and your desire to jump back on increases and you start ignoring good practice for AAS...

I dont use these as scare tactics, just things to keep in mind for negotiating the use of anabolics.

 

[ceo]

Thanks UA Iron,
What makes You think I haven't read tons of info and done tons of
research? Did You read every page of this post or just this one?
I mentioned on another page I would post My workout when I got time
and that's all I was doing!! Did I say this is the best workout or
everyone needs to do this workout, NO. I simply stated what I was doing!!
I see You and S-D have been around a LONG time!! I respect that
BIG TIME and hopefully I can learn here. But, Make no mistake I have
put many hours and research time into diets and workout routine's and have tried
each of the one's that have been listed above 5x5, HIIT, 5/3/1, the Big 3 along with
many CPT's I've worked out with 1 of which had huge credentials in BB, MMA, KB
and many other certifications and awards, that I have built My current program
with along with certain princepals I liked form each of the above programs.
Those other routine's didn't work for Me then probably different with AAS.
I don't feel 1 particular program is right for EVERYONE, We are all different.
I have put in the time on the diet and workout routine research and due dilegence
in those areas.
I admit AAS is completely new to Me that's why I'm here and asked for
My hand to be held. If I screw that up I can permently damage My organs and
whole Life, and My Liberty!!
So, if You didn't read all the pages of this posting and just this one than I can see how
it may have come off the wrong way.
I am new here and just wanted to be thorough in My postings that's all. Don't really know
how to take the red thing other than like a Man, and to respect Your Opinions and leave it at
that.

If you tried 5x5 and 5/3/1 and other similar, low volume, high frequency programs...I would venture a guess that you did not do them exactly as they are laid out. I bet you added extra exercises, sets and reps.

Also, your diet is absolute shit for gaining mass. A 12 year old girl couldn't gain weight on that diet. You should be taking in 2 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight, and plenty of good fats. You can cycle carbs to keep fat at bay.

You should get those first two basics squared away before starting AAS.

 

[gladtobealive]

Sound Advise U-A_Iron,
The kind I can apply and very intelligently laid out.
Advise I can use to help Me with this hole in My plan, I will research it and apply accordingly
Thanks

 

[C0LUMB0]

Welcome to the site .

you got plenty of good advice from CEO,ZYG and the other boys here....
your training routine definitely needs to change.
please for the love of god remove meal 6 ...from your post and your life,
thanks and good luck with your new programme.

 

[jcmbbfuture]

Not trying to be a smart ass but HIT and HIIT are two different things...just making sure that the difference is known. The outcome can change greatly if u have used HIIT and switch to HIT.

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[Judo Tom]

hey just be honest and answer these questions below:

1 are you willing to commit 100% to a new training program with no modifications of your own for about 2-3 months?

2 are you willing to change that diet and commit to it 100% with a detailed log for the same time frame?

if not thats cool and more power to you and good luck but if you are not willing to take the advice that people are giving then please just say so and let the mods/vets on this board offer up help to all the people that would jump at the chance to get this info and apply it 100%

 

[UA_Iron]

I hit you with green bro. Stick around, absorb things like a sponge.

 

[stevesmi]

remember the point of working out at the gym is to tear up the muscle fibers. AAS merely speeds recovery and some researching believe allow you to push the body further than possible. as well as other things. so you can use AAS to your benefit especially at your age.

now as far as your diet i've never heard of anyone who eats deer, buffalo and cantelope. do you live in Africa and eat lions too? what is that all about, sounds like you are pulling our legs on that.

your workout has too much isolation as has been said. if you aren't doing bench press, squats, deads, pullups, dips, and those types of compound lifts then you are really making things harder on yourself. you could literally do only those compound lifts using correct form and you would get in a great workout everytime.. now i'm not saying don't do isolation as it has its place, but i'm saying compound lifts > isolation .. hope that makes sense.

and also its wonderful you workout with your teenage son and his teenage friend.. but they are BOYS. you are a MAN. this type of thing is wonderful but it bothers me when i see it as much as when i see a guy training with his gf/wife and doing girly weight. you should find a partner who is a man to train with or train alone and get a spot here and there. good luck.

 

[Zyglamail]

BOOM!!
Zyglamail, you hit the nail on the head!! Isolation and every muscle, every grip, different methods
='s LOADS of hard work!!

As I and others have said....w a s t e o f t i m e.

Thats waaaay too much volume for someone who is natural and I would even argue for someone on AAS thats our age.

Think im pulling your leg? Im the same height as you, within a year of your age, have a lower BF than you and I weight 242lbs.

Im in and out of the gym in an hour (little more if you count general warmup), train 4 days a week. My typical workout is 2 compound strength exercises followed by an 8-25 minute metabolic conditioning workout which often times includes ab work, pull ups, bodyweight sqauts, running, rowing, power cleans, pushups etc etc.

My main lifts....

deadlifts
front/back sqauts
power cleans
bent over rows
pull ups/chin ups
overhead presses/push presses/push jerks
bench press
dips

Tell me what muscle group im not hitting?

 

[gladtobealive]

A lot of carbs in your diet man. I'd cut out all bread personally, deli meats suck too (they're a processed meat with weird fillers in them). Yogurts are typically laced with a ton of sugar. If the above is what the "eating for you bloodtype" diet says you should be eating then I'd say it is not congruent with a lifestyle you wish to maintain.

I think even a Body For Life style diet is a better option than the above...

Your goals, are you sure you need steroids for them? P90X style workouts coupled with a solid diet yield great results for many people.

If you want to be bigger than the average person then maybe AAS are not a bad choice with some considerations:
1. As you retain more mass typically your cardio will suffer. Lifespan is also reduced typically.
2. Is your wife ready for waking up with a hard-on pressed up against her and some savage grunts and ass grabbing every single morning? (sounds silly, but in my experience not too many women can cut it).
3. Mood changes: it will probably increase because of your age. You will have a tendency to become more selfish (studies are out there reporting this phenomenon) - this may not be well suited for a family lifestyle though.
4. Impacts on cardiovascular system: Blood serum cholesterol ratios changing (for the worst, temporary though), blood pressure increasing...
5. The implications of never coming off: HRT may become a reality if recovery is difficult. Not completely unusual at age 40.
6. Psychological addiction: Hardly spoken of, but once you come off and see a lot of gains slipping and your desire to jump back on increases and you start ignoring good practice for AAS...

I dont use these as scare tactics, just things to keep in mind for negotiating the use of anabolics.

Thanks UA_Iron for the Sound Advise, Info, and The Green!!
I was starting to feel really bad about the way I have come across here.
The above post is what I originally came here for and the best post I've had to date.
IMHO
I originally came here for AAS advise as this is a whole new World to Me.
I am willing to sacrifice the above issue's the only things I'd like to avoid are losing
My Liberty,Organ damage, MPB, and Sex Drive. Wife is GTG all the way, I am blessed with Her.
The reasons You listed are why I am moving forward with caution and joined here
in the first place Brother. Looked at many other sites E-F is the only Site I felt comfortable with.
I know this isn't a game and take it very seriously.
THEN I started getting asked about My workout routine , diet etc....
I didn't realize it was so out of whack, thought I was good in that area
( I get accused of using AAS, and "hook me up" at the Gym all the time)
but, I am glad that it went there because it has given Me a lot to re-think.
I hope I never get too old or stubborn to not learn or listen anymore.
And I am also sorry My posts are so long just don't want to 1/2 answer questions
and that's just Me.
I am willing to do and execute to the letter a full detailed workout routine and diet plan along
with AAS and a PCT for an 8 or 12 week period if someone is willing to write one out for Me
and has Personally taught someone how to or either achieved the goals I am looking to achieve.
Very important to Me!!
(BTW, No I don't expect someone to be willing to do that for free and
things are tight these days if You have read My prior posts, or Life Story!!)
Asking a lot I know, but without all this I can't change overnight, My diet and routine
didn't get broke overnight and it won't get fixed overnight if I don't have a plan to
fix it all. Believe it or not it took Me a long time and a ton of effort to screw things up this bad
apparently.
It is an awakening experience for Me. I'm humbled and taken back by it all.
But, again U_A Iron sound advise , "soak it up like a sponge" I will and try
and learn to move forwards instead of backwards.
Thanks Brothers in Iron!!
Sincerely, Glad To Be Alive

 

[Judo Tom]

you got the dedication and that is a big part of getting results.

I think you should look into a test only cycle for 8-12 weeks.
research pct products like post cycle, unleashed and formastanzol
you should have an anti estrogen on hand like formastanzol for the cycle as well

a good back-to-basics routine would be 5x5 and you can find a ton of info on that in our weightlifting forum
we also have a great diet forum and you can find a ton of great info there as well.

i think its always best if you can do some research and provide a 'rough draft' and then have the vets here tweak it if necessary.

 

[gladtobealive]

Hello Zyglamail,
242 wow, how long have You been the AAS route?
I would Love to be a solid 240 ripped!!
And spend less time in the Gym that's the exact
reason I joined this site Brother!!

 

[ceo]

every detailed, custom plan starts out as a "cookie cutter" of some type, then gets modified as things progress.

 

[Zyglamail]

Hello Zyglamail,
242 wow, how long have You been the AAS route?
I would Love to be a solid 240 ripped!!
And spend less time in the Gym that's the exact
reason I joined this site Brother!!

Im not quite ripped, diet is too lax for that but im working towards it. In all honesty after a couple year layoff I got back into it, started HRT (been on HRT doses for almost couple years) but my goal wasnt to get big, for me HRT was for mental clarity, well being, drive/focus etc. I just want to be strong and healthy at this point in my life so I chose a plan where reps are generally low (3-6 range usually) to focus on strength without a lot of mass gains. Even so, over the last couple years my bodyfat has been slowly declining and my weight increasing.

Compound movements are only as strong as your weakest link. you can have the strongest back in the world but if you have weak biceps they will hinder your pull ups. Strong legs but have a weak back? Deadlifts will force your back to grow.

Compound movements, because of the large demands on your system as a whole trigger a more pronounced systemic response from your body in terms of hormones released etc which is what will cause you to see real gains.

Just put all your skepticism aside for 8-12 weeks and try one of the lower volume high intensity plans to the test, I bet you will be pleasantly surprised.

 

[gladtobealive]

Thanks Judo Tom,
I will be working on that goal, may take Me a minute to come up
with a solid plan with My schedule and begin executing it
but, it will be a priority. Will start checking forums for info.
I also have the 2 teenagers to deal with, gonna be a tough aspect
of this plan They are used to being slaves in the Gym.
Appreciate Your advise and help Brother

 

[ceo]

and again...your two teen boys would be better served on a lower volume, higher intensity whole body or two way split routine like a 5x5, etc. If they get into a decent football program, they won't be spending hours on 17 different ways to hit the biceps, they will be doing 3-5 compound lifts in a 45 minute to 1 hour session. If they start that now, and start eating big now, they will grow now and be that much further ahead later.

They aren't going to cry or suffer because of less time spent in the gym. I'm sure they'd rather get more results in less time and spend the extra time out chasing girls. Jesus man!!

Your hurting them more by keeping them on this insane routine they're on now.