Test/Deca Cycle not working??!?

[anmolgoel]

Hi,

I am on my 2nd cycle right now of Test E (500mg) /Deca (225mg) since 5-6 weeks, and I havent seen much gains in size. Just a little increase in muscularity and thats it. Weight doesn't seem to be upping.

Last time I just ran Test E, and I bloated like hell as well as gained muscle, but this time there aint even any signs of bloat; though I know things are always slow after the first cycle but this is too less than expected.

I referred to an article about it here: timinvermont . com/fitness/test1.htm

It suggests using a little clomid during the cycle as well (as low as 50mg EOD) so as to minimize testicular shrinkage. Could this be a reason for the halted growth in any way? I'm sort of clueless on this.

Ancillaries I'm using are: Finasteride - 1mg ED, proviron - 25 mg ED (prevents testicular pain which I had earlier while on gear), and clomid 50 mg EOD

I'm taking good care of diet and workouts and its a little disappointing getting no results after doing all the hard work and research.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks!

 

[TheSVPdeal]

Stats?

 

[stevesmi]

dunno who told you to run clomid during cycle to prevent nut shrinkage but i hope it wasn't anyone on here (doubt it was)


you are supposed to take hcgenerate and/or hcg during cycle to prevent shrinkage. are you eating enough carbs? are you seeing an increase in appetite? if the answer is no and no then you won't get the benefits from deca which is a carb dependant AAS. this is why you shouldn't be overweight when running deca if cutting is your goal.

if you think your gear is fake then go run a blood test

 

[Cali72]

Why r u running proscar/propecia with deca? Big no no!

 

[stevesmi]

sounds to me after reading that article you got wamboozled by someone who is just plain wrong and ignorant.

"Proper testosterone usage can yield amazing results. In a 3 month period, a first time steroid user can expect to gain 30-50 pounds" BULLSHIT, unless you are severely below your genetic potential this is complete bullshit. and I mean you are 6 feet tall and 130 pounds and never worked out in your life.

he also claims that roid rage is a complete myth. ummmm.. no its not. I am a level headed guy and i have had fits of rage on test/dbol. although as i gained experience i now am very calm on any AAS, even tren.

then he says we are supposed to taper down, does he realize that esters have half lives, and those half lives mean that you get 50% less in your body.. so in other words AAS taper down on their own without you manually tapering them down. and until its out of your system you will not recover on your own

then he says test E hits your system in 10 days. not sure what he means here. any AAS will hit your system within hours, he might mean peak levels? if he does he is wrong again cause E peaks weeks into it. not after 10 days. i think he is confusing half life with kick in.

then he suggets running finasteride during cycle to prevent enlarged prostate. complete horshit if you ask me.

then he suggests using clomid to prevent testicular shutdown.. has this guy ever heard of hcg or hcgenerate?

then he says " Personally, my cholesterol level went up from 170 to 200 when on a cycle. I did not stop eating junk food. In fact, I ate a lot more junk food." wtf? more junk food is his advice?

his PCT is more fina, adex, and 100mg of clomid a day. talk about a dick killer. and he claims that you won't lose any muscle after test, and will keep up to 30 pounds.. which means that if you weigh 200 pounds after a few cycles you will be 320 of muscle i suppose.

and on another article he says you should eat a lot of fried food and atleast 30% of your diet should be fats. would love to see a picture of this moron.

I would not take advice from this guy at all. his article is a good laugh, nothing more

 

[C0LUMB0]

Why r u running proscar/propecia with deca? Big no no!

^^^^^^^this is true .!

clomid during cycle to prevent testicular shrinkage ...fuck NO !
hcg will help here.

what does you pct look like ?

you need to eat more to grow and you definitely need to do more research bro.

 

[RADAR]

WOW! I've heard it all now!

 

[stevesmi]

i will add another thing that article said.. it said to run clomid and adex together during cycle at pretty strong doses. the problem with this is your estrogen levels are gonna get obliterated. you need estrogen to grow muscle. to put it in simple english, anti-estrogens are estrogen blockers.. by not allowing estrogen you are actually shitting on your ability to gain. AI's are used by breast cancer survivors to prevent estrogen from forming, its a pretty miserable thing to go through, just any breast cancer survivors who get put on AI's for 5 years striaght.

the funniest thing about that article is the author said people can expect 10-15 pounds of water weight even with 2 AI's going at strong dosages. how is that even possible? does the author not understand water weight comes from increased estrogen? very amauterish article if he does not understand that.

your solution is flushing all your AI's down the toilet. and picking up a bottle of forma instead from mr supps. it will block just enough estrogen, but also not obliterate it where you won't gain. and you can run it during and post cycle. this is actually a great thread for guys who insist on running clomid like it is halloween candy. and i bet many will still read this and continue doing it anyway cause that is what 'their friend' said to do or what some buffoon on bb.com said to do.

 

[rich_89]

People are just so uneducated. If you don't understand something, come here and ask first, before you inject everything but the kitchen sink into your arse. It's ridiculous.

 

[jballz]

Steve, you mentioned deca is carb dependent. Does that mean it would be a bad idea to run deca with test as a cutter on a CKD diet being that you carb up on weekends. Or should one save the deca for a bulker. Thanks bro.

 

[stevesmi]

^^ not necessarily. however deca will increase your appetite and cause you to be hungry all the time.. you will be eating for 3 people. stacked with test and dbol and its the ultimate bulker, and thats what it does best. so if you are not looking to bulk then deca is a poor choice, and if you are looking to bulk then might as well take advantage of it and eat like a horse. if you eat properly on a deca cycle it can literally change your body composition... i went from 7% to 17% body fat over the course of 6 months on 2 separate deca cycles.. i also gained quite a bit of muscle mass and strength and have kept most of those gains.. however the long recoveries of deca make it unactractive to me cause I like to run short cycles, cycle off, and cycle on.

 

[jballz]

Ok. Thanks man. I thought I saw some threads where people used deca on a cut. I had great results with test and Beastdrol but it was hell on my joints. What would be good to add with test to lean out besides diet and cardio obviously?

 

[RADAR]

People are just so uneducated. If you don't understand something, come here and ask first, before you inject everything but the kitchen sink into your arse. It's ridiculous.

Kitchen sink won't go thru an 18G ...Sorry!

 

[anmolgoel]

dunno who told you to run clomid during cycle to prevent nut shrinkage but i hope it wasn't anyone on here (doubt it was)


you are supposed to take hcgenerate and/or hcg during cycle to prevent shrinkage. are you eating enough carbs? are you seeing an increase in appetite? if the answer is no and no then you won't get the benefits from deca which is a carb dependant AAS. this is why you shouldn't be overweight when running deca if cutting is your goal.

if you think your gear is fake then go run a blood test

thanks for your reply stevesmi but I dont feel much of an increase in my appetite.. But that may be coz I started deca after 2 weeks of starting test, so I guess it may need some time to kick in... I am trying to clean bulk btw, with the least amt of fat as possible.. my bf% is approx 14-15% .. which is majorly around the lower abdomen..

In reply to your second post, I agree with most what you said, but the statement he made for the first time user may be true.. I gained like 27 pounds on the T only cycle, and kept around 20 from it.. which was pretty sweet I believe..

the gear is pretty legit, that I am sure of..

your solution is flushing all your AI's down the toilet. and picking up a bottle of forma instead from mr supps. it will block just enough estrogen, but also not obliterate it where you won't gain. and you can run it during and post cycle.

I have stopped clomid and finasteride, and upped the proviron to 50 mg ED .. I am not using adex and have kept it just in case i see gyno symptoms.. then maybe i'll take it at 0.25 mg/day for sometime.. is that fine?

I dont think i'll be able to find HCGenerate around here, and I dont want to use HCG for 2 reasons: - Trying to minimize the pinning & - Mixed reviews about HCG.. So looking to use Tribulus.. do you think that will help?

Look forward to your advice!

 

[anmolgoel]

^^^^^^^this is true .!

clomid during cycle to prevent testicular shrinkage ...fuck NO !
hcg will help here.

what does you pct look like ?

you need to eat more to grow and you definitely need to do more research bro.

thanks cali72 & C0LUMB0, but i searched all over and i found mixed opinions on that too.. some said you shouldn't mix deca & proscar, others said that it does not matter as it only stood true in the case of deca only cycles.. i dont know much but i've stopped it now..

My PCT would be of clomid (100mg/day for 2 weeks; then 50 mg/day for 2 weeks), proviron (50mg/day) tribulus & ZMA... Does that look good to you?

 

[RADAR]

thanks cali72 & C0LUMB0, but i searched all over and i found mixed opinions on that too.. some said you shouldn't mix deca & proscar, others said that it does not matter as it only stood true in the case of deca only cycles.. i dont know much but i've stopped it now..

My PCT would be of clomid (100mg/day for 2 weeks; then 50 mg/day for 2 weeks), proviron (50mg/day) tribulus & ZMA... Does that look good to you?

That's the old PCT everyone used to use before the internet, try the new PCT of 2011, you will see a big difference in your moods,sex drive and keepable gains.

Forma
Unleashed/Post cycle

 

[montanaboy]

Yeah, I was gonna say the Finasteride is prob a big mistake dude.

 

[anmolgoel]

That's the old PCT everyone used to use before the internet, try the new PCT of 2011, you will see a big difference in your moods,sex drive and keepable gains.

Forma
Unleashed/Post cycle

Thanks, I looked up all 3 and they look good.. but they are out of stock on the sites it is listed.. any good site that ships internationally?

Also, by forma you meant formestane, right?

 

[RADAR]

Thanks, I looked up all 3 and they look good.. but they are out of stock on the sites it is listed.. any good site that ships internationally?

Also, by forma you meant formestane, right?

If you're international order thru Preditor nutrition its a sub forum of NTBM you will see it when you go to their site!

 

[stevesmi]

got your PM man.. not sure what other advice i can give you that i haven't already above.. you got good followup advice from radar as well. now its up to you to decide what you want to do.

 

[johnnyboy3689282]

we are in 2012 RADAR.... Illa gree with you guys, the problem with something like this is that he is taking so many different compounds, he doesnt know why he isnt gaining... This is perfect example of why you keep things simple. Nothing wrong with running some HCG/HCGenerate during cycle (If it doesnt jack your BP up too much), but I personally wouldnt touch anything else unless I needed it... Gets Way to complicated...

U can give any rat some Deca and watch him gain 25 lbs, but its about how he looks a 6 months later that determines it for me....PCT is where it is at... you should just read steves Signature and youll get all you pct info you need dude....
Good luck,

i was just looking so you have only had the deca in your system for 4 weeks then? correct? You should start seeing gains here in the next 2 weeks, i would say by week 6, if your not seeing gains, something wrong.... You should still be seeing something. Rmember that the mind stimulates the body based of what your thinking, if your thinking your not gonna gain weight, your not... Think that your getting heavier, and eat tons of complex carbs..... You should gain a ton....

 

[anmolgoel]

we are in 2012 RADAR.... Illa gree with you guys, the problem with something like this is that he is taking so many different compounds, he doesnt know why he isnt gaining... This is perfect example of why you keep things simple. Nothing wrong with running some HCG/HCGenerate during cycle (If it doesnt jack your BP up too much), but I personally wouldnt touch anything else unless I needed it... Gets Way to complicated...

U can give any rat some Deca and watch him gain 25 lbs, but its about how he looks a 6 months later that determines it for me....PCT is where it is at... you should just read steves Signature and youll get all you pct info you need dude....
Good luck,

i was just looking so you have only had the deca in your system for 4 weeks then? correct? You should start seeing gains here in the next 2 weeks, i would say by week 6, if your not seeing gains, something wrong.... You should still be seeing something. Rmember that the mind stimulates the body based of what your thinking, if your thinking your not gonna gain weight, your not... Think that your getting heavier, and eat tons of complex carbs..... You should gain a ton....

I agree with all you're saying.. Mind plays the most important part in shaping our plans..

Thank you radar, your advice helped.

So let me get this straight..

- Since I'm already in mid of the cycle and getting HCGenerate would take a lot of time.. So i'm planning to use Tribulus during the time of my cycle.. is that fine or would you suggest something else?

- After reading the signature posts of stevesmi I am planning to include dostinex (0.5mg E4D)

- Are Post cycle/unleashed with clomid (25mg/day) as a PCT enough (1 serving a day), or do they need anything else to go with them?

Would appreciate any response. Thanks.

 

[RADAR]

I agree with all you're saying.. Mind plays the most important part in shaping our plans..

Thank you radar, your advice helped.

So let me get this straight..

- Since I'm already in mid of the cycle and getting HCGenerate would take a lot of time.. So i'm planning to use Tribulus during the time of my cycle.. is that fine or would you suggest something else?

- After reading the signature posts of stevesmi I am planning to include dostinex (0.5mg E4D)

- Are Post cycle/unleashed with clomid (25mg/day) as a PCT enough (1 serving a day), or do they need anything else to go with them?

Would appreciate any response. Thanks.

Add some forma Stanozol starting at week 4 of the cycle all the way to PCT,then you're golden.

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