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Cain says God persuaded him to run for president
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Both bad, just one is way worse.
But accidentally spitting in your beer bottle is not that bad.
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I like them wide mouth beer bottles so to spit in
hey
lets curb the talk to tongue dexterity and all the vagina enjoying us dippers can do
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lets curb the talk to tongue dexterity and all the vagina enjoying us dippers can do
mrplunkey
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If he flips on Iran, it's really going to upset your significant other.
RS will not be amused!
PICK3
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he certainly will knot be
Thats all? A rhetorical statement on if R.Paul changes his stance on Iran?
Well Ron Paul is a capable Politician. But his stance will not change.....untill (if) he gets National security briefings. When 300+ Million lives are your responsibility. You have to think logically. Hence Barry approving the recent bill that Allows random people to be arrested my the military if suspected of domestic terrorism. Including Americans.
So you have no plan on foreign policies except Isolationism.
Fuck you run your mouth all day about taxes and how its Barrys fault on unemployment and the recession lasting.
Lol..... Another deferment to Java? You are the type to "defer" . Just like Newt, Cheaney, Rove.
Its sad.... Your sad.
PICK3
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So you're sayin' Ron Paul subscribes to the "Takig a colllelctive producative offfence" doctrine as pertaining to his Iran policy
No he doesnt.
RON PAUL says "we talk then out of it then we kill them". LIKE we did Libya
RON PAUL SAYS "use diplomacy" not do nothing....awwww Squidly must be sad
Ron Paul says "how can ee take care of the people " but previously said " people should take care of them selfs IF they die they die" not with no government help. So what is it Mr. PAUL?
javaguru
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lololl..Hell China and Russia have been the primary beneficiaries of the ideological right wing war in Iraq...Only one U.S. oil company is even doing business in Iraq....Thanks neo cons and so much for the leftie assertion the United States started the Iraq war for oil; Evidence has a way of of pulling back the curtain for those willing to see.
PICK3
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So you're sayin' Ron Paul subscribes to the "Takig a colllelctive producative offfence" doctrine as pertaining to his Iran policy
ololololol!
mrplunkey
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Ahhh... so I bet Bush was simply being logical after he got his NSA briefings when he went into Iraq. And better yet, I bet Reagan was just being logical when he escalated military spending during the cold war.
Yeah, I bet the libtards would embrace this stance just as much if Bush had supported it instead of Barry. Great example of double-standards.
Yes. I have a very sophisticated policy:
1) Don' fuck with anyone unless you're willing to go to war with them.
2) And if you break it, you own it.
3) So unless we're ready to strap-on the helmet and go to war with Iran (including the nation-building that will be required afterward), we need to leave them the hell alone.
4) We don't have the money or the will to engage in activities 1-3 anytime soon.
PICK3
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I think that's sumthin even the bipartisan congress can agree on now!
Iraq was a done deal as soon as Bush was elected in November.
redsamurai
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and when a republican is in office and does exactly that the reversal of your position will be hilarious. Everything you say has about the same weight as the average run of the mill politician.
mrplunkey
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Nope, that's a key difference between pragmatists and ideologues. We (pragmatists) learn.
Initially, I liked the nation-building experiment Bush tried in Iraq. I'll freely admit that. But I learned that nation-building costs too much in lives and dollars.
Now, I've learned. I'm definitely more hands-off when it comes to foreign policy than I used to be.
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redsamurai
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mrplunkey
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Nope. I realized that mistake well before Bush left office.
And I'll even admit I still feel drawn toward the idea of nation building. But the reality is, it's almost impossible to impose one set of values on another set of people.
If we find ourselves with a couple extra trillion dollars and a few thousand people willing to die for it, maybe we should go straighten Syria out. Or Iran. Or Egypt. Or Libya. Or...
redsamurai
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when you wrote this did were your kids standing in teh doorway with a "someone smell that shit" look on their face?
Headholio
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See Plunkey, that's why you shouldn't vote for dumb people.
It's ok if you were wrong. You're just a guy who likes to pretend he has an understanding of things. Kind of like Bush. But Bush was President. Presidents are supposed to have vision, a deep understanding of issues, and the ability to make good decisions when faced with a very complex set of facts. You can't do that, which is ok. Bush couldn't do that, which was a disaster for America.
Think about the group of Republican dim wits who want to be President and how they could handle a very complex problem that could effect the lives of millions. Scary huh? Think about that in the voting booth people! Stupid is not ok for a Presidential candidate!
Before you tell me how smart they are, I'll just point out that at least 4 of them said that God told them to run for President!
mrplunkey
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See Plunkey, that's why you shouldn't vote for dumb people.
It's ok if you were wrong. You're just a guy who likes to pretend he has an understanding of things. Kind of like Bush. But Bush was President. Presidents are supposed to have vision, a deep understanding of issues, and the ability to make good decisions when faced with a very complex set of facts. You can't do that, which is ok. Bush couldn't do that, which was a disaster for America.
Think about the group of Republican dim wits who want to be President and how they could handle a very complex problem that could effect the lives of millions. Scary huh? Think about that in the voting booth people! Stupid is not ok for a Presidential candidate!
Before you tell me how smart they are, I'll just point out that at least 4 of them said that God told them to run for President!
Oh as an atheist (but not an evangelical one), I'll admit I'm not a fan of the Jebus freaks. I have a huge libertarian streak as well. So once working american's aren't paying for it, I'd be agreeable to free love, free drugs and free capitalism.
Here's the rub: Elections are about choices. And given the GOP field, any of the candidates (and I do mean ANY) would be better than Barry. People will be studying the damage he's done well into the 22nd century. We'll all be dead, but he'll make a great case study one day.
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Oh, good for you.
Yeah, you'll have to explain how Obama did more damage than his predecessor who crashed the economy and started an unnecessary war based on lies. I'm listening
Oh, good for you.
Yeah, you'll have to explain how Obama did more damage than his predecessor who crashed the economy and started an unnecessary war based on lies. I'm listening
1. housing market crash, which triggered the economic crash, was not bush's fault not sure how you can link the two.
2. All your good bros supported the iraq war, everyone of them did even al gore...and the jury is still out on the necessity of the event...if iraq blossoms into a stable ME state, then it was a success and worth it...
mrplunkey
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Oh, good for you.
Yeah, you'll have to explain how Obama did more damage than his predecessor who crashed the economy and started an unnecessary war based on lies. I'm listening
Barry did damage on a number of fronts, but as an employer/business owner I can seriously relate to one of them.
Taxes are an ongoing negotiation, but there has been a relative peace between business and government since at long as I can professionally remember (i.e. 1985). Most businesses simply paid their taxes, less a few strategic deductions.
And even then, large, multi-national companies like GE would mitigate some or all of their tax exposure. Individual high-wealth people (billions, not hundreds of millions) would also mitigate their exposure (sometimes but not always by renouncing citizenship).
But here's what's different: Tax mitigation strategy used to (in general, I realize there are exceptions) be a strategy for billionaires. Maybe a few $250M-$1B people did it, but usually the juice wasn't worth the squeeze.
Since 2009, tax mitigation strategy has moved to the masses. Now, people in the $10M+ range are implementing tax mitigation strategies. And while their taxes haven't gone up post-Obama, the specter of class warfare and looming tax increases have sent them scurrying for shelters.
So to answer your original question: One of the ways Barry has damaged the US is by undermining the long-term tax base.
Headholio
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I thought you righties were all about personal responsibility? It is Bushes economy. You can't dodge that.
Lack of regulation of housing loans was the problem. And republicans were in charge until 2007. In 2007 Dems took over ways and means and tried to regulate no documentation loans, loan to values over 100%, etc and republicans fought it. It was too late. To say you can't link Bush to the housing crisis is laughable.
Authorization was given to Bush for military action as a last resort. At the time, no one really knew what an imbecile he was, and that he would invent his own reasons, to find any way possible to go to war. I agree dems should be held accountable for buying into the Bush Cheney Rumsfeld deception, but we were still licking our wounds over 9-11 and dems miscalculated the political effect of disagreeing with the President who want to take all those pretend bad guys and "bring them to jushtish" (Read with Texas drawl)before they could obtain NUCULAR
weapons. 
Headholio
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Oh, so back in the day, when taxes were 70-90% for the upper class (1930s to 1980s), no one was trying what you call "tax mitigation strategies". Or even During Bush 1 to Clinton, when the top tax rate was higher than now (39%).
But now that the black guy is President, and taxes for the rich are historically low, while their income is historically high, the rich are more motivated than ever to implement these strategies?
BZZZZZZZZZZZZ.
SORRY. PLEASE TRY AGAIN.
mrplunkey
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Oh, so back in the day, when taxes were 70-90% for the upper class (1930s to 1980s), no one was trying what you call "tax mitigation strategies". Or even During Bush 1 to Clinton, when the top tax rate was higher than now (39%).
But now that the black guy is President, and taxes for the rich are historically low, while their income is historically high, the rich are more motivated than ever to implement these strategies?
BZZZZZZZZZZZZ.
SORRY. PLEASE TRY AGAIN.
This is where you and your ilk take a credibility hit.
It's well established that I'm a mean-spirited capitalist. Supposedly I'm willing to trade my young for the all-mighty dollar.
So why would I care about the skin color of the president?
Housing market crash was a symptom, not a root cause.
did I read "trade your young for the all-mighty dollar"? Because you have some attractive young for trade. Jus' sayin'
Oh, so back in the day, when taxes were 70-90% for the upper class (1930s to 1980s), no one was trying what you call "tax mitigation strategies". Or even During Bush 1 to Clinton, when the top tax rate was higher than now (39%).
But now that the black guy is President, and taxes for the rich are historically low, while their income is historically high, the rich are more motivated than ever to implement these strategies?
BZZZZZZZZZZZZ.
SORRY. PLEASE TRY AGAIN.
come on with this shit, you don't even know the man (plunkey) how are you gonna make such a claim?? this is really the last draw for obama fans, when all else fails play the race card and pray for success with it...so played out
the bubble was bound to burst sooner or later, peeps were living above their income...proly better it burst when it did as opposed to growing more.
from what i understand (and i don't claim to be a economist) the way subprime lending was set up it was an inevitable burst, strung along by lax congressional inquiry
Headholio
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Do you harp on my term "black guy" because you can't debate the point I made?
Sorry I hit a sensitive point. I know a lot of Republicans want to call Obama a Muslim, Kenyan, Nigerian, Foreigner Socialist, but insist it has nothing to do with race.
Many of them call him Barry, which is popular with the birther crowd, implying that he has some kind of secret identity. You seem to have no problem with that.
do you?
If you think there is no racial element to the fact that people think Obama is a socialist, and Obama is a tax fiend, even though taxes are historically low, well, you are just wrong.
Plunkey tried to pass off the notion that Obama makes people scared that taxes will be high, which hurts busienss, even though they have gone down, not up. Overall his whole presumption is false, but for those who are scared of socialism, and buying that lie, there is a racial component to it. I'd be surprised if anyone could honestly deny that.
mrplunkey
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i can't debate the "point" you'v made cause it is such a weak kneejerk desperate attempt to link your Hero with racism in order to paint his detractors as raving KKK members and score another shitty term...GW was called such terrible things over his term and I really doubt you gave a fuck about any of them, you probably supported those comments and still do...what comes around goes around my socialist/kenyan/muslim loving dude.
and i bought you a temp plat and zero gratitude, what a waste thanks
He went by the name "Barry" growing up.
omg you seething racist, you want black people swinging from trees just like your Tea Partier bros!!!
america wasn't ready for a black president it is evident...the racists on the right don't like him for obvious reasons, and the reactionaries on the left can't handle criticism and have created a bigger gulf in racial relations by their constant bleating of racist.
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laterSee Plunkey, that's why you shouldn't vote for dumb people.
It's ok if you were wrong. You're just a guy who likes to pretend he has an understanding of things. Kind of like Bush. But Bush was President. Presidents are supposed to have vision, a deep understanding of issues, and the ability to make good decisions when faced with a very complex set of facts. You can't do that, which is ok. Bush couldn't do that, which was a disaster for America.
Think about the group of Republican dim wits who want to be President and how they could handle a very complex problem that could effect the lives of millions. Scary huh? Think about that in the voting booth people! Stupid is not ok for a Presidential candidate!
Before you tell me how smart they are, I'll just point out that at least 4 of them said that God told them to run for President!
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See Plunkey, that's why you shouldn't vote for dumb people.
It's ok if you were wrong. You're just a guy who likes to pretend he has an understanding of things. Kind of like Bush. But Bush was President. Presidents are supposed to have vision, a deep understanding of issues, and the ability to make good decisions when faced with a very complex set of facts. You can't do that, which is ok. Bush couldn't do that, which was a disaster for America.
Think about the group of Republican dim wits who want to be President and how they could handle a very complex problem that could effect the lives of millions. Scary huh? Think about that in the voting booth people! Stupid is not ok for a Presidential candidate!
Before you tell me how smart they are, I'll just point out that at least 4 of them said that God told them to run for President!
you made one fine sentence and surrounded it with crap. Is this original material of your own?
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headholioupmyass
Thank you.
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the archangel told me you don't have to quit drinking
me: but I want to quit drinking. I liked it better when I was sober
I can't recall his reply
I had been drinking
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but I understand
he wants people to walk with the filfth
he wants people to walk with the filfth
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it makes perfect sense
those fine individuals with stellar chrurch attentandance stats
aren't going to save anyone going through hell
you have to get down in the sewage
those fine individuals with stellar chrurch attentandance stats
aren't going to save anyone going through hell
you have to get down in the sewage
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I don't really think like that
true as a collection I've had attitudes towards congregations based on a data sample and then merged with apriori knowledge
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otherwise known as "calling bullshit"
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but let's be objective and remove bias best as we can
like at JFK where I had fucked up and ascheduleg myself a 14 hour layover
well up in a section at JFK there are four or so separate religion rooms
open 24/7
one I looked in and I got my muslims doing thier thing
then I found the Catholic santuary
and made a bed between the pews for like half a day
I'd wake up at times as peeps came and went and said prayers
thinking any minute now some port authority will make me leave
like at JFK where I had fucked up and ascheduleg myself a 14 hour layover
well up in a section at JFK there are four or so separate religion rooms
open 24/7
one I looked in and I got my muslims doing thier thing
then I found the Catholic santuary
and made a bed between the pews for like half a day
I'd wake up at times as peeps came and went and said prayers
thinking any minute now some port authority will make me leave
Evil people will go to great lengths to appear good. They hide their motives with lies. You're right though. Most of them are fine.
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it seems to me so as I age
when I was young and so clever
I called religion "a myth"
my experience now is there are evil fucks
all over
can you see them?
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just like my conversation with the angel
"he can hear us"
I quess he couldn't so we contiued to chat
it's the feeling I got that's most paramount
you have to remain strong in the face of doubt
and use what you have been shown whether it be in the last 10 minutes
or your entire lifetime
you will have to cast a vote for yourself
"he can hear us"
I quess he couldn't so we contiued to chat
it's the feeling I got that's most paramount
you have to remain strong in the face of doubt
and use what you have been shown whether it be in the last 10 minutes
or your entire lifetime
you will have to cast a vote for yourself
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I'm trying to nail down the facts and you're being all wishy washy
projection?
javaguru
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Oh, so back in the day, when taxes were 70-90% for the upper class (1930s to 1980s), no one was trying what you call "tax mitigation strategies". Or even During Bush 1 to Clinton, when the top tax rate was higher than now (39%).
But now that the black guy is President, and taxes for the rich are historically low, while their income is historically high, the rich are more motivated than ever to implement these strategies?
BZZZZZZZZZZZZ.
SORRY. PLEASE TRY AGAIN.
JFK on lowering taxes...
Likewise, under Bill Clinton personal tax rates increased but revenue increased because capital gains were decreased at the same time.
You're trying to analyze the issue strictly on tax rates as opposed to revenue. Revenue increased when rates were lowered under Kennedy, Reagan and Clinton (capital gains).
On a sidebar..Clinton created the super rich advantage all the lefties complain about by making it attractive to pay executives with stock options because of the lower capital gains tax.
The issue with the tax system as far as I'm concerned is the fact there are carve outs created by lobbyists and politicians for their patrons.
Headholio
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Bwahhh ha ha. What did Kennedy lower tax rates to? Top rate from 91% to 77% !!!
Taxes can be too high, and taxes can be too low. It doesn't make sense to argue "raise taxes" or "lower taxes" without context. What I'm doing is calling BS on the Republican lies of 39% top rate being socialistic and a job killer.
You want to listen to dead Presidents, here's a more appropriate quote; Ronnie Reagan on the rich paying their fair share.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgbJ-Fs1ikA&feature=player_embedded#!
Revenue boomed under Clinton because the economy boomed, under the 39% percent socialist (ha ha) top rate. It totally disproves the republican BS. The argument is not that raising taxes causes growth, Its simply that raising taxes isn't proven to kill growth, and the healthiest economies in our history had higher and more progressive tax rates.
And the contention that Capital gains tax rates had anything to do with economic boom of the 90's is wrong. Capital gains tax under Clinton went up in 90 and 93, and down in 97.
The point is simply that Republicans refusal to compromise on revenue and taxation is obstructionist and an effort to harm America for political gain.
When the Republicans lowered the top rate to 35% under Bush, they put a 10 year limit on it, saying explicitly that it had to be reviewed in 10 years to insure that the loss in revenue did not result in a debt increase. Republicsns 10 years ago had so much more sense than Republicans today.
Headholio
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Yeah I know. And I presume you don't use it in the context of racists or birthers as a way of showing Obama as a foreigner with a secret identity. As long as you use it as a term of endearment, which I'm sure you do, I'm ok with it.
Headholio
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My point was about Republicans lying about tax rates, Obama's policies, socialism etc. The fact that some of those lies are racially motivated is a side issue. You want to divert my point that the Republican contention that Obama has hurt job growth due to "fear of taxes" is absurd.
I only supported the comments that were true.
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Ahh haa!!!
Hey thanks for that. I'm not really clear on what the benefits are, but it's the thought that counts, right?
I do appreciate it, but you didn't buy my allegiance. I'm here to bring the facts, that's all!
mrplunkey
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Statements like these make me suspect you're just trolling.
Clinton benefited from the Internet explosion which shifted the global productivity curve. And on top of that real shift, it also dumped another $5T in false wealth due to speculation.
I'll concede. If Barry can just unleash another Internet and dump and additional $5 trillion in cash on the economy between now and November, we'd still add jobs at a 39% tax rate. But short of that, a globally competitive US tax rate is probably somewhere around 20% on income and 0-5% on capital gains.
Now, I really do not care for JG and he really does not care for me, but he is right and you are sooooo wrong... I have a lot more to share...
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PICK3
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“In the world today, we get often told — particularly people of faith — that you leave your faith at the door or on the steps of a public arena, as those that I refer to as the ‘politically correct police’ who say you can’t bring your faith into public arena”
Perry Urges Worshipers to Disregard ‘Politically Correct Police,’ Take Faith Into Public Arena - ABC News
Perry Urges Worshipers to Disregard ‘Politically Correct Police,’ Take Faith Into Public Arena - ABC News
Headholio
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Making points that go against your paradigm is not trolling. The point is that the economy boomed with higher tax rates. The republicans are a one trick pony. Economy good- cut taxes, bad, cut taxes, revenue down, cut taxes, Taxes bad! Simple minded propaganda that goes against the facts.
Bush cut the top rate for personal income and cut capital gains tax too. Look how well that worked.
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Headholio
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When I looked it up I found the top rate 1963 at 91% and 1964 @ 77%. I'll find it later. Regardless, thanks for making my point. You are saying the economy kicked ass at 60% tax, then you are also saying that everything the Republicans say about taxes is wrong. Thanks.
Wrong. This is a complicated issue and not worth debating right now, but stimulus spending got us out of the first republican great depression. there were problems with FDR's policies, especially with the National Industrial Recovery Act (NIRA), which exempted industries from antitrust prosecution if they agreed to enter into collective bargaining agreements that significantly raised wages. Here's a good paper out of UCLA that partially supports your claim about the recovery being delayed, but had nothing to do with tax rates:
FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate / UCLA Newsroom
And the New Deal wasn't the biggest social program ever, World War II was. And it did a great job of turning the economy around.
Who taught you economics? Glen Beck?
The Laffer curve is not about tax cuts. the Laffer curve simply says that there is an optimum point for tax rates which will increase revenue. If taxes increase from the optimum point, then revenue decreases due to a hit in productivity, and if taxes decrease from the optimum point revenue also decreases because it will not result in a productivity increase.
Wrong again? Yes you are! Capital gains tax was lowered to a max of 28% under Carter in 1978.
Capital Gains Taxation: From The Encyclopedia of Taxation and Tax Policy
The success of the Reagan era was more related to the creation of a huge deficit (living on a credit card, just like Bush did, without any crying about the fate of our children by Republicans during those administrations ), and Kensyan economic policy to manipulate interest rates. the drop in interest rates from the Carter era is what stimulated the economy. Interest rate policy can't work right now, because rates are as about as low as possible. That's also true for tax rates, so Republicans need to come with a new idea.
But the biggest economic boom in the nations history was under Clinton, not Reagan, even according to right wing Forbes:
Presidents And Prosperity - Forbes.com
You righties are so easy to debate because the only way to defend your position is with made up facts.
When I looked it up I found the top rate 1963 at 91% and 1964 @ 77%. I'll find it later. Regardless, thanks for making my point. You are saying the economy kicked ass at 60% tax, then you are also saying that everything the Republicans say about taxes is wrong. Thanks.
Wrong. This is a complicated issue and not worth debating right now, but stimulus spending got us out of the first republican great depression. there were problems with FDR's policies, especially with the National Industrial Recovery Act (NIRA), which exempted industries from antitrust prosecution if they agreed to enter into collective bargaining agreements that significantly raised wages. Here's a good paper out of UCLA that partially supports your claim about the recovery being delayed, but had nothing to do with tax rates:
FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate / UCLA Newsroom
And the New Deal wasn't the biggest social program ever, World War II was. And it did a great job of turning the economy around.
Who taught you economics? Glen Beck?
The Laffer curve is not about tax cuts. the Laffer curve simply says that there is an optimum point for tax rates which will increase revenue. If taxes increase from the optimum point, then revenue decreases due to a hit in productivity, and if taxes decrease from the optimum point revenue also decreases because it will not result in a productivity increase.
Wrong again? Yes you are! Capital gains tax was lowered to a max of 28% under Carter in 1978.
Capital Gains Taxation: From The Encyclopedia of Taxation and Tax Policy
The success of the Reagan era was more related to the creation of a huge deficit (living on a credit card, just like Bush did, without any crying about the fate of our children by Republicans during those administrations ), and Kensyan economic policy to manipulate interest rates. the drop in interest rates from the Carter era is what stimulated the economy. Interest rate policy can't work right now, because rates are as about as low as possible. That's also true for tax rates, so Republicans need to come with a new idea.
But the biggest economic boom in the nations history was under Clinton, not Reagan, even according to right wing Forbes:
Presidents And Prosperity - Forbes.com
You righties are so easy to debate because the only way to defend your position is with made up facts.
Yeah, there is no doubt you are a troll... Thanks for the compliment, I must be really creative to come up with all them stats...
Lol @ your entire post...
and the Dems are more adaptive and willing to move from their party's lines
At least we don't have the idiocy and tyranny of the Norquist Pledge.
mrplunkey
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Ahhh... I understand. So when the Clinton/Gingrich administration experienced growth with a 39% tax rate, we're supposed to simply make the unquestionable correlation and ignore the surrounding conditions.
But when FDR's policies made the great depression much worse, "This is complicated".
Classic double-speak.
mrplunkey
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Slick Willie's bubble was $5 Trillion. And I'd guess there was a solid $2-$3 Trillion of real value there as well.
So we know 39% taxes work when $8 Trillion is injected into the economy.
But then we gave Barry $1 Trillion to waste and he made unemployment go up 5 points. Or I wonder if Headholio will tell us that one is "complicated" as well.
Headholio
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So you're sayin we need moar regulation and moar entitlement programs
we need the right amount of regulation and entitlement programs.
mrplunkey
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What? Do you mean to tell me a government employee tax collector is against politicians taking pledges to not raise taxes?
Say it ain't so!
mrplunkey
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And let me guess... you and the other beneficiaries of "the right amount" get to decide how much is enough, right?
Who should then, the business owners who will trample over workers' rights and the environment when they're eliminated?
I imagine you'd be happier if suffrage were limited to male estate owners, god forbid that any other voter and taxpayer might have an opinion.
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obama is flat out a lier,cheat and not too smart
him ivy league degree was given to him
"corpsman"
when I heard that mispronunciation I knew instantly
how do you major in foreign studies of whatever
get an Ivy league law degree and not know how to pronounce that?
because you didn't read
I was 9 when I learned that word
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we're gonna solve everything in this thread
what a turn out
what a turn out
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peacock the way he tilts his head so Lincolnesque
for a photo
for a photo
PICK3
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Who you voting for Spart?
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watch that photo op with Netanyahu
Netanyahu is looking at POTUS like
wtf this stooge
claring at him
you fuck
Netanyahu is looking at POTUS like
wtf this stooge
claring at him
you fuck
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Romney
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1948
1956
1967
and 1973
the Arabs threw everything they had at the Isrealis
let me tell you about the 7th armored brigade
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1956
1967
and 1973
the Arabs threw everything they had at the Isrealis
let me tell you about the 7th armored brigade
fuc
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The 7th Brigade was Israel's first armoured formation. First dreamed up on Sunday 9 May 1948 - a week before the Declaration of Independence - the unit was operational and fighting by 24 May.
The 7th Brigade fought the first two battles of Latrun (24 May and 30 May) against the Arab Legion.
And had a key part to play in most of the later wars as well.
The 7th Brigade fought the first two battles of Latrun (24 May and 30 May) against the Arab Legion.
And had a key part to play in most of the later wars as well.
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what do you know about the Balfour Declaration?
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Though Balfour, himself, was in favor of a Jewish state, Great Britain particularly favored the declaration as an act of policy. Britain wanted the United States to join World War I and the British hoped that by supporting a Jewish homeland in Palestine, world Jewry would be able to sway the U.S. to join the war.
Though the Balfour Declaration went through several drafts, the final version was issued on November 2, 1917, in a letter from Balfour to Lord Rothschild, president of the British Zionist Federation. The main body of the letter quoted the decision of the October 31, 1917 British Cabinet meeting.
This declaration was accepted by the League of Nations on July 24, 1922 and embodied in the mandate that gave Great Britain temporary administrative control of Palestine.
In 1939, Great Britain reneged on the Balfour Declaration by issuing the White Paper, which stated that creating a Jewish state was no longer a British policy. It was also Great Britain's change in policy toward Palestine, especially the White Paper, that prevented millions of European Jews to escape from Nazi-occupied Europe to Palestine.
Though the Balfour Declaration went through several drafts, the final version was issued on November 2, 1917, in a letter from Balfour to Lord Rothschild, president of the British Zionist Federation. The main body of the letter quoted the decision of the October 31, 1917 British Cabinet meeting.
This declaration was accepted by the League of Nations on July 24, 1922 and embodied in the mandate that gave Great Britain temporary administrative control of Palestine.
In 1939, Great Britain reneged on the Balfour Declaration by issuing the White Paper, which stated that creating a Jewish state was no longer a British policy. It was also Great Britain's change in policy toward Palestine, especially the White Paper, that prevented millions of European Jews to escape from Nazi-occupied Europe to Palestine.
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"I do not agree that the dog in a
manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain
there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for
instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America
or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been
done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade
race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken
their place," - Winston Churchill.
manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain
there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for
instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America
or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been
done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade
race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken
their place," - Winston Churchill.
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ask javaguru to fact check me
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I never finished my story of Francisco Pizzaro
the guy who made the first "line in the sand"
whose 200, less than 200 defeated 40,000 Inca warriors
what an ass kicking
the guy who made the first "line in the sand"
whose 200, less than 200 defeated 40,000 Inca warriors
what an ass kicking
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I have to type out the blow by blow story because you cannot find it on the internet
I'm culling it from Richard Berg's article in an 70s era Strategy and Tactics
collectible
I'm culling it from Richard Berg's article in an 70s era Strategy and Tactics
collectible
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I've got to ship "hells gate" to New Zealand
http://www.amazon.com/Hells-Gate-Ba...8435/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1324270632&sr=8-2
and
Battles for the Ardennes to Canada
feedback I received from "Angel" about Squad Leader today;
I JUST WANT TO SAY THANKYOU THANKYOU THANKYOU , THIS PACKAGE BROUGH TTEARS TO MY EYES, ITS PERFECT , MY HUBBY, IS GOIGN TO FAINT, ITS BEAUTIFUL,AND I WANTED TO THANKYOU SO MUCH , MANY GODS BLESSINGS TO YOU , THANKS AGAIN , HAPPY HOLIDAYS~~! Angel
http://www.amazon.com/Hells-Gate-Ba...8435/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1324270632&sr=8-2
and
Battles for the Ardennes to Canada
feedback I received from "Angel" about Squad Leader today;
I JUST WANT TO SAY THANKYOU THANKYOU THANKYOU , THIS PACKAGE BROUGH TTEARS TO MY EYES, ITS PERFECT , MY HUBBY, IS GOIGN TO FAINT, ITS BEAUTIFUL,AND I WANTED TO THANKYOU SO MUCH , MANY GODS BLESSINGS TO YOU , THANKS AGAIN , HAPPY HOLIDAYS~~! Angel
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she mentioned to me in a message that this purchase was an xmas gift for her husband and was concerned if it would arrive in time for xmas
I hooked her up
I hooked her up
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the books about the german army of WWII command by far the most dollars
and typically have authors with resumes such as this;
I'm a West Point Class of 1980 graduate and a retired U.S. Army Officer with 28 years of active duty service in places like Kosovo, Iraq, Afghanistan, Germany, Cuba, and Uzbekistan. I served in a variety of Army units, such as armored cavalry, armor, and special operations forces, including Civil Affairs and Psychological Operations. My works include "Hell's Gate: The Battle of the Cherkassy Pocket January to February 1944" and "Victory Was Beyond Their Grasp: with the 272nd Volks-Grenadier Division from the Huertgen Forest to the Heart of the Reich," as well as several articles for military history magazines, such as World War Two and Armchair General. Am currently working on a book about the German relief of Kovel, March 1944
and typically have authors with resumes such as this;
I'm a West Point Class of 1980 graduate and a retired U.S. Army Officer with 28 years of active duty service in places like Kosovo, Iraq, Afghanistan, Germany, Cuba, and Uzbekistan. I served in a variety of Army units, such as armored cavalry, armor, and special operations forces, including Civil Affairs and Psychological Operations. My works include "Hell's Gate: The Battle of the Cherkassy Pocket January to February 1944" and "Victory Was Beyond Their Grasp: with the 272nd Volks-Grenadier Division from the Huertgen Forest to the Heart of the Reich," as well as several articles for military history magazines, such as World War Two and Armchair General. Am currently working on a book about the German relief of Kovel, March 1944
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carry on your regular arguing
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People who have a stake in this country should vote. People who throw themselves onto the state to be supported shouldn't.
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So should felons currently serving time be allowed to vote?
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