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need educated opinions...nolvadex vs clomid for subtle long-term androgenic effects

esqueleto

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i'll cut right to the chase here.

i'm 21 years old, 6'0" tall, and 125 lbs, and my pedigree includes a long line of hopelessly scrawny guys on the paternal side of my family. at my age, my father was 5'9" and 130 lbs, my grandfather was 5'10" and 117 lbs, and i am told that my great-grandfather was skinny too. in fact my grandfather was in the navy for six years, and he left only five pounds heavier than when he joined, in stark contrast to his peers.

i've seen several trainers, tried a lot of different regimens and diets, and, while building muscle is very difficult, the most frustrating part is that i have to work so damn hard to hold on to each and every ounce of it.

my testosterone tested at 437 ng/dL, which i think is low-normal, and i am looking to perhaps double this; nothing more unless absolutely necessary. i'm not looking to get real stacked. i just want something subtle and generally SAFE that will make the struggle to hold on to existing muscle mass a little easier. i was looking into nolvadex and clomid and am wondering which, if either, would be a good adjunct to my existing workout/diet program. or, do you think something else entirely would be a better fit?

i read that nolvadex and clomid work similarly, but that, mg per mg, nolvadex is stronger. is there an exact conversion rate for this? cost-effectiveness is important to me. i have a nolvadex source at XXXX per 20 mg pill, vs clomid at XXX per 50 mg pill, so it all comes down to the conversion rate and what the equivalent dosages would be. i realize that i will probably be splitting pills here, which is okay because it's cheaper than buying smaller-strength pills (e.g. 10 mg nolvadex or 25 mg clomid).

advice please?

thx
 
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Pick up a bottle of Unleashed. This will raise your free testosterone levels, which is basically all that matters.

You could have a total testosterone value of 800+, buy if your free testosterone level is 150, you're going nowhere. Unleashed is the only supplement that raises free testosterone; the testosterone that is bio-available for use by the body, and what will allow you to grow.

Unfortunately, Nolva and Clomid will not help at all in this case, and neither will raise free-t levels.
 
Re: need educated opinions...nolvadex vs clomid for subtle long-term androgenic effec

Get some Beastdrol
 
Re: need educated opinions...nolvadex vs clomid for subtle long-term androgenic effec

eat more.

keep a log.. take pics of everything you eat.. post them online..

if you are not gaining weight.. then eat more

get on a good routine like "starting strength" and follow it to a T

if you really feel like you need something id go w/ unleashed for now
 
eat more.

keep a log.. take pics of everything you eat.. post them online..

if you are not gaining weight.. then eat more

get on a good routine like "starting strength" and follow it to a T

if you really feel like you need something id go w/ unleashed for now

This is best advice right here
 
Re: need educated opinions...nolvadex vs clomid for subtle long-term androgenic effec

i see. now, clomid and nolvadex work indirectly to increase total testosterone by stimulating gonadotropin production. so, it doesn't shut down the body's own production of testosterone; rather, it stimulates it.

but, by what mechanism does unleashed work? will it cause a decrease in testicular size, unlike clomid or nolvadex, which have the opposite effect?

also, what are its effects on estrogen levels?

i want to avoid any kind of facial bloating, which from my limited knowledge on the subject i gather can potentially be an issue with steroid usage. i say this because as thin as i am, i am already genetically 'gifted' with a fuller face to begin with. so, how does unleashed perform with regard to this?

finally, should i have any reason to worry about hair loss or prostate enlargement or other such issues with this regimen, and, if not, why?

anyway thanks for enlightening me as i have never heard of this supplement before and didn't realize such a thing existed.
 
Pick up a bottle of Unleashed. This will raise your free testosterone levels, which is basically all that matters.

You could have a total testosterone value of 800+, buy if your free testosterone level is 150, you're going nowhere. Unleashed is the only supplement that raises free testosterone; the testosterone that is bio-available for use by the body, and what will allow you to grow.

Unfortunately, Nolva and Clomid will not help at all in this case, and neither will raise free-t levels.

I may be wrong, but I'm sure I've seen a study that showed that nolva alone slightly raised free testosterone levels. This was conducted on young healthy males who were not using aas
 
Re: need educated opinions...nolvadex vs clomid for subtle long-term androgenic effec

Get some Beastdrol


I think he's looking for a way to raise T naturally. Beastrol will suppress him more.

Neither nolva or Clomid will increase testosterone -- at least not long term. And they both can have serious anti androgenc side effects .

UNLEASHED is your best bet.
 
Definitely the unleashed. Raises the free t and don't have to worry about the sides that sometimes come with clomid and nolva.

Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL
 
Re: need educated opinions...nolvadex vs clomid for subtle long-term androgenic effec

thanks. i am currently reading up on unleashed as it seems like the unanimous pick here. could anybody by any chance help answer some of the questions i raised yesterday?

i see. now, clomid and nolvadex work indirectly to increase total testosterone by stimulating gonadotropin production. so, it doesn't shut down the body's own production of testosterone; rather, it stimulates it.

but, by what mechanism does unleashed work? will it cause a decrease in testicular size, unlike clomid or nolvadex, which have the opposite effect?

also, what are its effects on estrogen levels?

i want to avoid any kind of facial bloating, which from my limited knowledge on the subject i gather can potentially be an issue with steroid usage. i say this because as thin as i am, i am already genetically 'gifted' with a fuller face to begin with. so, how does unleashed perform with regard to this?

finally, should i have any reason to worry about hair loss or prostate enlargement or other such issues with this regimen, and, if not, why?

anyway thanks for enlightening me as i have never heard of this supplement before and didn't realize such a thing existed.
 
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