Buffet: Tax the mega-rich

[javaguru]

And the people that make over 100k only pays Social Security for that 100k, and any income above that isnt taxed the 6% for SS. But then they turnaround and enjoy the payout, not to mention they live way longer than the average poor-middle class because they have the funds for top noch healthcare.
Social Security was a near perfect program that was self sustaining until in the 80's when the Social Security program became a full part of the budget and was not a Trust Fund (this was started prior to the 80's). But once this happened the "borrowing" began. As of now over 2.2 TRILLION has be "borrowed" from Social Security and not one Red Cent has been paid back. The GOP is pushing to end Social Security so they are free and clear from this Debt.

This Medicare going broke is not new talk. It's been rhetoric since the 70's . Yes it truly is NOW, but only after some stupid changes by guess who???
In any case some of the changes were: Medicare part C and D. These are the true Ponzy scheme you speak of. They Take $ from Medicare and give it to...PRIVATELY OWNED insurance companies for them to pay out claims. But what was happening is big insurance companies were setting up smaller ones in poor, middle class, and elderly neighborhoods. They provide the lowest possible care to maintain the highest profits. And once the company was less profitable the company packed up and moved to a new area or just closed down.....Keeping any Medicare funds paid to them by the Governmet. legally. Also the revenue issue must be taken into account.

In any case: Your for cutting Medicare. The saving grace for the elderly living on fixed budgets.
So you go ahead and tell your Grandma, Mom , Dad , Aunts and Uncles : "Well, your at your 100k limit for healthcare time to go ahead and die". Sounds like a plan to make America Great again...... Those dam elderly holding us down. Man up and when you see an old person in a store and tell them how much of a leach they are and all the wars faught, economic and infrastrucure building they did for you was great but times up. ......... Now who's the drag on the economy?

You are wrong on your facts...social security left the Al Gore "lock box" in the 1950's when the central planners in Washington saw how much money they could spend. Also, the elderly don't live on a fixed income....my mother is 76 and works part time at Walmart..she's afraid of working more because she would be taxed on her income....Walmart isn't fucking her...her politicians are...and she has voted Dem her entire life...

 

[mrplunkey]

So you don't want to kill grandma by denying care but cutting payouts will create the same result.

Just sayin'.

The irony here is DB will have one of these new BarryCare plug-sniffers running around his bed in the not-so-distant future.

 

[brownbrown]

You are wrong on your facts...social security left the Al Gore "lock box" in the 1950's when the central planners in Washington saw how much money they could spend. Also, the elderly don't live on a fixed income....my mother is 76 and works part time at Walmart..she's afraid of working more because she would be taxed on her income....Walmart isn't fucking her...her politicians are...and she has voted Dem her entire life...

And the people that make over 100k only pays Social Security for that 100k, and any income above that isnt taxed the 6% for SS. But then they turnaround and enjoy the payout, not to mention they live way longer than the average poor-middle class because they have the funds for top noch healthcare.
Social Security was a near perfect program that was self sustaining until in the 80's when the Social Security program became a full part of the budget and was not a Trust Fund (this was started prior to the 80's). But once this happened the "borrowing" began. As of now over 2.2 TRILLION has be "borrowed" from Social Security and not one Red Cent has been paid back. The GOP is pushing to end Social Security so they are free and clear from this Debt.

I Sated what i just bolded FOR A REASON. I know it started in the 50's. But the last nail in the coffin was under Reagan.
Your mom is 1 person of a demographic of over 35 MILLION people. So your "I know a person" story is regardless for the big picture.
Is it the Dems that are denying a payroll tax cut for the middle class? But defend tax cuts for the millionaires and billionaires?
What Sate? Who has the majority in her state/district or has held the majority in the past decade??

 

[Mr. dB]

A lot of it...so you want to kill grandma?

Perhaps. A lot of end-of-life care is really clutching at straws, with doctors promoting, or patients' families demanding, heroic last-chance miracles that don't really add any quality time to to old folks' lives.

My father was a prime example. He had CLL Leukemia, and had received a "lifetime dose" of chemotherapy in the late 1990s. His numbers remained good, or "good enough" through about 2005, then his test results started coming back not so good. So they put him on another round of very aggressive chemo, even though he had been told a few years earlier that he couldn't take another aggressive round. He had massive sides from the chemo, his immune system was decimated, and he started getting all sorts of infections, constant hives, and was always sick. Finally, when he got a yeast infection in his esophagus, they gave up and put him in home hospice care. These symptoms were all sides from the chemo, not the Leukemia.

I'm not qualified to have a medical opinion, but it appeared to me that he would have lived longer, with a better quality of life, without the last round of chemo, and would have died with more dignity and less pain if they'd just have let him die from the Leukemia instead.

I wonder how many other elderly patients have similar stories? It seems to me that the medical profession is all too willing to sell inappropriate treatments to give the elderly some slim hope of eking out another few months, at great expense.

If my view reeks of "Kill Grandma" or "Death Panels", then so be it, but I think this practice is not only an unnecessary expense but also counterproductive.

 

[mrplunkey]

Perhaps. A lot of end-of-life care is really clutching at straws, with doctors promoting, or patients' families demanding, heroic last-chance miracles that don't really add any quality time to to old folks' lives.

My father was a prime example. He had CLL Leukemia, and had received a "lifetime dose" of chemotherapy in the late 1990s. His numbers remained good, or "good enough" through about 2005, then his test results started coming back not so good. So they put him on another round of very aggressive chemo, even though he had been told a few years earlier that he couldn't take another aggressive round. He had massive sides from the chemo, his immune system was decimated, and he started getting all sorts of infections, constant hives, and was always sick. Finally, when he got a yeast infection in his esophagus, they gave up and put him in home hospice care. These symptoms were all sides from the chemo, not the Leukemia.

I'm not qualified to have a medical opinion, but it appeared to me that he would have lived longer, with a better quality of life, without the last round of chemo, and would have died with more dignity and less pain if they'd just have let him die from the Leukemia instead.

I wonder how many other elderly patients have similar stories? It seems to me that the medical profession is all too willing to sell inappropriate treatments to give the elderly some slim hope of eking out another few months, at great expense.

If my view reeks of "Kill Grandma" or "Death Panels", then so be it, but I think this practice is not only an unnecessary expense but also counterproductive.

The problem is, health care providers don't know which way the patient will turn in these possible end-of-life situations. It's easy to retrospectively look back and see the signs, but it's very difficult to make the call looking into the situation.

I'm not one of those people who believe in keeping someone around at all costs (especially in terms of suffering), but when it's all over there is comfort in knowing everything possible was done.

 

[redsamurai]

You mean no federal taxes, obviously. They still pay a good portion of their income in payroll, sales, etc taxes.

this

 

[redsamurai]

I haven't gotten to the point where I bill vacations to Uncle Sam yet, but Barry will probably push me over that edge next year. His rhetoric makes me want to comb through every aspect of my life and figure out if I've missed sending part of the bill to him.

wow you're a jew....i mean just wow

 

[-SD-]

wow you're a jew....i mean just wow

and why not, since 2008 the goobermint has dished out billions to every other corporate fat cat in america. I should ask them to forgive my student loan in light of the debt debacle. if washington cant take care of its debt then why should i

 

[redsamurai]

"You really have no fucking clue what socialism is, do you?"

It's like Stewart reads EF C&C.

but you know what's even more disconcerting ole boy?.....half the monkeys in this thread don't even understand what capitalism is let alone socialism. It's unreal.

 

[mrplunkey]

wow you're a jew....i mean just wow

Yeah, what's a good racial slur among friends?