Posted by Dr L on February 13, 1997 at 14:43:26:
In Reply to: Anti-aromatase... proviron posted by Asia the Invincible on February 13, 1997 at 13:18:29:
: From my experience, it seems that Nolvadex, while able to prevent water
: retention during a heavy steroid cycle, seems to slow down or reduce
: results in muscle growth. Now, there are other anti-armoatases around. In
: particular, I am talking about proviron.
Although proviron has never been
: an androgen that is known for causing dramatic or indeed any increases in
: strength and/or muscle mass, it has been used successfully, or so I've
: heard as a water retention preventer. Since it is an androgen, I would
: think that it may contribute to muscle growth instead of reduce it like
: nolvadex, but another line of argument is that as an androgen, it would
: compete for or down-regulate androgen receptors, thus rendering the other
: steroids less effective, while not causing much in terms of muscle growth
: itself. Does anyone have an opinion on this? I have no problem causing
: muscle growth, and do not mind holding water while doing it, but right
: now, the bloat is going out of control.
: Asia
-Don't believe all what you read or hear form AS user
Proviron is not really an anti oestrogen
Proviron is an androgen without any interaction on the
female hormone level (it doesn't aromatize itself) and
on the hypophyse. SO because it increases the free testosterone level
and doesn't raise the oestrogen level THE EFFECT of
female hormone is reduced.
That is to say that the ratio female hormone /free male hormone is reduced
because the free male hormone is increased and not the female hormone level
The female hormone level is not decreased !
(Proviron is not used to cure ovary or breast cancer)
-Proviron doesn't cause any water retention, that's the (main) reason why
the mass gains after a cycle(10-12 weeks) of proviron are less important than
for others AS
If you want absolutely stack Proviron with another AS, use it
with a low androgen one
10 weeks -12 weeks for a cycle of AS is the worst situation
The most efficient in terms of lean mass gain vs side effects and receptors downgrading is
low dose for more than 6 months (like in the medical field)
or high dose for less than 3 weeks (like used by world class athletes
to avoid detection, visible side effects)