You don't need a Fina Kit bro's

[Realgains]

Really you don't.......The following is what you need to make your own tren at home without a kit! IT works 100% bro's!

Two old large vials.... one with the top off and one with the rubber top still on.......30cc or bigger or buy off the net.
Buy some BA(Benzyl Alcohol) over the "net"
Buy syringe filters off the net or use an old one that has been cleaned with acetone and dryed
Wesson soybean oil from any store.
Candy thermometer of $3
2000mg of Finaplix H off the "net"

RECIPE

Dump 2000 mg of Fina pellets in the vial without the top. Pour in 5 cc of BA. You can then crush it up and heat it very slightly and stir or simply let it sit over night in order to get the pellets to dissolve. Make sure all of the pellets are dissolved. You now have about 7 cc of solution....5cc of BA and a couple for the fina.

Next add 10 cc of soybean oil and shake it up. Let it settle for a few hours and then filter with a .2 micron filter into a vial with a rubber top intact(old vial will do). Don't try to suck up the sediment

Next put 10cc more oil into the vial with the sediment and shake again , let settle and filter once more into the other vial. This step gets all the remaining tren out of the sediment...we don't want to waste any tren.

STERILIZING
The .2 micron filter and BA is good enough BUT to be extra safe you may wish to pasturize.

NEVER EVER bake the tren in the oven at 250 degree's F as this will damage some of the hormone. (I learned this from Bill Roberts and a friend that I work with ....a pathologist in a lab)

Heat some water in a pan to 160 dgree's F and keep the heat constant. The best thing to use is an electric frying pan. Always check the temp with a candy thermometer.
Put the finished product into the water and leave the rubber top of the vial uncovered. Pasturize for 35 minutes at 160-170- degree's. Remember to take some air out of the vial to allow air expansion.

There you have it bro's a 75 mg per ml home made tren mix.........HINT The "magic solution" is simply Benzyl Alcohol bro's....it's not rocket science.

 

[WannaImpress]

Realgains

Hey this sounds pretty simple. How many times have you done this, you obviously haven't gotten any infections correct? This sure would beat paying over 60 for a 8g kit.

 

[Realgains]

I have used this method many times and never got an infection....I always pasturize though and not just filter just in case. Sometimes one can use too much pressure with the syringe and a little bacteria can get through a filter.
Even 10 minutes at 165 degrees F will kill the bacteria if any actually remains.

The kits are a waste of money. All they have is pharmacy grade oil , benzyl alcohol and a few supplies that many already have or can easily get. Incidentally this is what labs use when they make their injectables
You can even get the pharmacy grade oil over the net too but the Wesson soybean oil is just fine.

 

[barbell265]

I agree..

I agree, I have used a similar process for three batches. Although instead of using BA I have used methanol, it dissolves the pellets at a fairly decent rate and also evaporates more readily leaving less alcohol in the mix. My method is done in two hours though, start to finish. I use whatman filter papers pre-soaked in sesamee oil,(another difference), for filtering. Once dissolved and no solid pellets remain I use warm water from the tap run against the side of my flask and add 1/2 my oil. Swirl for a few moments and pour into the funnel w/ filter paper and 2nd flask. once drained I use an applicator stick to mix the paste/residue and run the rest of my oil. I then put on latex gloves, wash w/ 90% isoproply alc and wring out the sediment to get all the tren out. I did bake it though at 200 for 10 min x3, as I was under the impression it wouldn't hurt the hormone until you hit 300 deg +. I may try letting the sediment settle next time, but my batches I mixed to 50, 75 and 100 mg/ml and the work great!

 

[Realgains]

Re: I agree..

I agree, I have used a similar process for three batches. Although instead of using BA I have used methanol, it dissolves the pellets at a fairly decent rate and also evaporates more readily leaving less alcohol in the mix. My method is done in two hours though, start to finish. I use whatman filter papers pre-soaked in sesamee oil,(another difference), for filtering. Once dissolved and no solid pellets remain I use warm water from the tap run against the side of my flask and add 1/2 my oil. Swirl for a few moments and pour into the funnel w/ filter paper and 2nd flask. once drained I use an applicator stick to mix the paste/residue and run the rest of my oil. I then put on latex gloves, wash w/ 90% isoproply alc and wring out the sediment to get all the tren out. I did bake it though at 200 for 10 min x3, as I was under the impression it wouldn't hurt the hormone until you hit 300 deg +. I may try letting the sediment settle next time, but my batches I mixed to 50, 75 and 100 mg/ml and the work great!

Sounds good too bro.........BUT Bill Roberts goes mad when he hears people bake tren at 250 degrees F ....200 might be okay though but all that is needed is pasturizing temp of 160 degrees and time, 30 minutes at most.

 

[steeledan]

Re: I agree..

I agree, I have used a similar process for three batches. Although instead of using BA I have used methanol, it dissolves the pellets at a fairly decent rate and also evaporates more readily leaving less alcohol in the mix.

I don't think methanol is a very good idea. The doses may be small enough that it doesn't make any differance. Methanol causes blindness, death, and a few other bad thing.

 

[Realgains]

Re: Re: I agree..

I don't think methanol is a very good idea. The doses may be small enough that it doesn't make any differance. Methanol causes blindness, death, and a few other bad thing.

Dude Methanol has been used many times too with no probs. The dose is tiny bro tiny. BA could cause those sides too if taken in large amounts
I would prefer BA though

 

[el cubano]

Sounds great for those that want to do it all themselves, but with all this "buy this", "buy that" it would be much simpler to just buy a kit which includes everything than to go out and buy it all separately. Kits are very cheap.

 

[HugeWannabe]

Bump for more opinions from fina users, mods, vets. I am just gonna try and make my own fina for the first time soon. I ordered a kit cause everyone says you need one. So this is interesting!

 

[Realgains]

Sounds great for those that want to do it all themselves, but with all this "buy this", "buy that" it would be much simpler to just buy a kit which includes everything than to go out and buy it all separately. Kits are very cheap.

I don't think they are that cheap....besides its fun to do it yourself....steroid handyman

 

[barbell265]

Steroid handyman..

Hey El'..

I priced everything you would need to have a home"lab" after the initial start up cost,(the most expensive item being the pharma. grade sesamee, $35.00 for 500 ml), it is still cheaper than buying 6g of comp-th and buying a 6g kit!! Best of all these items are reuasable!! that way after your initial start up all you have to buy is the comp-th save yourself $60.oo each time !! That would make me want to at least look into it.

 

[Realgains]

Re: Steroid handyman..

Hey El'..

I priced everything you would need to have a home"lab" after the initial start up cost,(the most expensive item being the pharma. grade sesamee, $35.00 for 500 ml), it is still cheaper than buying 6g of comp-th and buying a 6g kit!! Best of all these items are reuasable!! that way after your initial start up all you have to buy is the comp-th save yourself $60.oo each time !! That would make me want to at least look into it.

No need for the pharma grade oil bro if you get a nice clear sesamee or soy bean oil and filter it. Heck you could use any kind of vegetable oil.......its only vege oil and will not hurt ya...just need to make sure it is sterile thats all.

Pharma grade would be a no brainer though

 

[Lift or Die]

If you have to nickle and dime every cycle you put together then you really should be saving your money for other things.

Good info for making it from scratch but really, the kits are cheap.

 

[pauly]

If you have to nickle and dime every cycle you put together then you really should be saving your money for other things.

Good info for making it from scratch but really, the kits are cheap.

good point.......lol

 

[Realgains]

If you have to nickle and dime every cycle you put together then you really should be saving your money for other things.

Good info for making it from scratch but really, the kits are cheap.

Okay okay they are not that expensive but I can save over $60 over a 6 gram kit and its easy to do and fun too. I could spend that $60 on something else. The savings really goes up when doing a big batch like 80-100 grams. And $60 saved several times per year adds up I think.

The point is ....its easy, fast and fun so why throw money away.

 

[Your_Moms_Kneepads]

Brock Strasser had said that the magic solution was just BA, another person (very smart mod here and on another board) had told me that that was one of the 3 components of the "magic solution".

 

[Realgains]

Brock Strasser had said that the magic solution was just BA, another person (very smart mod here and on another board) had told me that that was one of the 3 components of the "magic solution".

BA is in the magic solution for sure bro just take a wiff. The magic solution is considered to be 100% BA by many bro and not just Brock.
Thing is you only need BA to do the job............all we are trying to do is to break down the fina so it will go into solution. The BA works 100%.
There isn't a lot of things that the "magic solution" can be bro. If there was Benzyl benzoate in it then you would smell it and it does not smell like BA. Ethanol will work but not as well as BA.

Remember ALL the drug companies use BA to increase soluability and for sterility reasons. That is all they ever use bro ,BA plain and simple.

 

[Realgains]

One last go- round

 

[basskiller]

Sounds great for those that want to do it all themselves, but with all this "buy this", "buy that" it would be much simpler to just buy a kit which includes everything than to go out and buy it all separately. Kits are very cheap.

Amen

 

[Realgains]

To Buy BA....and all the other stuff needed too(except the Finaplix H)

www.voigtglobal.com/B.htm
They sell 500 cc at a time for $60

Also try www.pharmtools.com
They sell small amounts.........e-mail them.

 

[ryker77]

Seams good. But for me its alot easier to order a from A. I can get the kits, extra vials in any size, some pins, and funnel. All from one person. Plus I think I'd feel a little bit better injecting sterile oil in myself vice cooking oil.

 

[Hbone]

Ingredients BA, methanol, and propylene glycol.

You can put almost any steriod powder into the mix..

 

[Realgains]

Seams good. But for me its alot easier to order a from A. I can get the kits, extra vials in any size, some pins, and funnel. All from one person. Plus I think I'd feel a little bit better injecting sterile oil in myself vice cooking oil.

Yes it is easier to get a kit but I think the cost adds up over time.

Bro the cooking oil can be sterilized via pasturization as I mentioned

 

[Primal X]

Can you get BA at Eckerds or something?

 

[Realgains]

www.pharmtools.com

 

[Realgains]

Bumping due to questions I am getting about making tren via e-mail and pm.

 

[solidspine]

What is wrong with simply buying tren in vials premade?

 

[Realgains]

What is wrong with simply buying tren in vials premade?

Nothing bro but it is a bit expensive for some bro's especially if they are a University student etc......I remember those days

 

[jboldman]

Re: Re: I agree..

It would be interesting to see why bill roberts thinks over 200degrees would hurt the fina, that is just the melting point for the compound. Ask him for his rational. I respect Bill a lot and would like to hear the reason not just a blanket statement.

jb

Sounds good too bro.........BUT Bill Roberts goes mad when he hears people bake tren at 250 degrees F ....200 might be okay though but all that is needed is pasturizing temp of 160 degrees and time, 30 minutes at most.

 

[WormAAA77]

The magic solution contains more than just BA. If it were that easy then why would the leading kit manufacturers use anything more than BA? I suspect strictly BA isn't as effective as the 3 chemicals in the magic solution and produces more painful shots.



BTW, the 3 chems are PG, BA, PeG. The PG and PeG make the heavy particles such as methycelluslose insoluble in the solution. Stricly BA probably doesn't make ALL the mc settle at the bottom, some of it will be in your solution.

If you try making the magic solution with the 3 chems listed above you're going to need more than just a kitchen. PeG and PG usually come in crystalline form and you'll have to sterilize those reagents with more than just a sF.

 

[drrman]

I think i'll skip the home brew home brew process and just buy a cheap ass kit, shit you get 50 ml of fina for a little over 100 bucks, i mean why you wanny try and save 20 more bucks?????

 

[HEALTHFREAK]

I don't understand the logic of some people! Maybe its just me but this is our bodies, our lives we are talking about! Youre not putting a car together, or doing some plumbing in your house. Youre making a substance that already has its dangers (as all AS do) and putting it directly in your body. Why the hell would you want to fool around with "do it yourself methods", when you are dealing with something as serious as your health. Fina kits and pre made trenbolone are made for a reason. If you had a headache would you open a book and brew up a batch of your own Tylenol, NO! If you have to nickel and dime something, dont let it be something that involves your health, save money other ways. And if its just something you wanted to try as a hobby than take up something else. Its shit like this that gives AS a bad name, and why bodybuilders such as ourselves have a stereotype of being dumb. I just dont want to see people get infections, abcesses, or even worse die.

just my 2 cents

 

[Brax]

"""Ingredients BA, methanol, and propylene glycol.

You can put almost any steriod powder into the mix.."""

how about white and pink dbols? those be ok? if so how much if anyone has expirmented

 

[jboldman]

tren has been around for a long time and the kits were an evolution of methods the guys were using. Animal was the guy who invented the "kit" to make money off his fellow bodybuilders rather than sharing the info which had been the norm up to that time. What do you think these kits are? Nothing but ingredients someone is putting together in their kitchen labs and likewise with the premade tren solutions. THere is really no way to tell what is in them and how they are made. I for one, am much more comfortable doing it myself and assuring myself of the purity and sterily of all the components and process to say nothing of saving 50% over the cost of doing it with a kit. To say that this is what gives bbldng a bad name is a bit of a reach, most "normal" folks when advised that someone is taking a farm product and making up a homebrew solution for injecting that consists of one or more mystery ingredients would be appalled!
Good post RG.
jb

I don't understand the logic of some people! Maybe its just me but this is our bodies, our lives we are talking about! Youre not putting a car together, or doing some plumbing in your house. Youre making a substance that already has its dangers (as all AS do) and putting it directly in your body. Why the hell would you want to fool around with "do it yourself methods", when you are dealing with something as serious as your health. Fina kits and pre made trenbolone are made for a reason. If you had a headache would you open a book and brew up a batch of your own Tylenol, NO! If you have to nickel and dime something, dont let it be something that involves your health, save money other ways. And if its just something you wanted to try as a hobby than take up something else. Its shit like this that gives AS a bad name, and why bodybuilders such as ourselves have a stereotype of being dumb. I just dont want to see people get infections, abcesses, or even worse die.

just my 2 cents

 

[MadCow1]

Re: Re: Re: I agree..

It would be interesting to see why bill roberts thinks over 200degrees would hurt the fina, that is just the melting point for the compound. Ask him for his rational. I respect Bill a lot and would like to hear the reason not just a blanket statement.

jb

I think B. Roberts is wrong unless there is more info on this (doubtful as it's pretty basic). Just about every chemist will not share his opinion - I know this as I've gone over this with 5+ of them.

Exceeding the melting point will not damage the structure of the compound - this is simply the temp where the ester melts. Deca melts at around room temp (liquid at this state) yet there is no damage to the molecule.

Furthermore - in a solution of BA and oil the melting point and point where damage may occur is further buffered above that of the molecule by itself. 300 would not be a stretch by any means.

 

[Realgains]

Why even risk it bro?...........if 160 degrees f kills the bacteria well then why subject the hormone to 250 degrees?

 

[haxedout]

I have used this method many times and never got an infection....I always pasturize though and not just filter just in case. Sometimes one can use too much pressure with the syringe and a little bacteria can get through a filter.
Even 10 minutes at 165 degrees F will kill the bacteria if any actually remains.

The kits are a waste of money. All they have is pharmacy grade oil , benzyl alcohol and a few supplies that many already have or can easily get. Incidentally this is what labs use when they make their injectables
You can even get the pharmacy grade oil over the net too but the Wesson soybean oil is just fine.

you sell fina premade too, dont ya? lol

 

[The Shadow]

Really you don't.......The following is what you need to make your own tren at home without a kit! IT works 100% bro's!

Two old large vials.... one with the top off and one with the rubber top still on.......30cc or bigger or buy off the net.
Buy some BA(Benzyl Alcohol) over the "net"
Buy syringe filters off the net or use an old one that has been cleaned with acetone and dryed
Wesson soybean oil from any store.
Candy thermometer of $3
2000mg of Finaplix H off the "net"

RECIPE

Dump 2000 mg of Fina pellets in the vial without the top. Pour in 5 cc of BA. You can then crush it up and heat it very slightly and stir or simply let it sit over night in order to get the pellets to dissolve. Make sure all of the pellets are dissolved. You now have about 7 cc of solution....5cc of BA and a couple for the fina.

Next add 10 cc of soybean oil and shake it up. Let it settle for a few hours and then filter with a .2 micron filter into a vial with a rubber top intact(old vial will do). Don't try to suck up the sediment

Next put 10cc more oil into the vial with the sediment and shake again , let settle and filter once more into the other vial. This step gets all the remaining tren out of the sediment...we don't want to waste any tren.

STERILIZING
The .2 micron filter and BA is good enough BUT to be extra safe you may wish to pasturize.

NEVER EVER bake the tren in the oven at 250 degree's F as this will damage some of the hormone. (I learned this from Bill Roberts and a friend that I work with ....a pathologist in a lab)

Heat some water in a pan to 160 dgree's F and keep the heat constant. The best thing to use is an electric frying pan. Always check the temp with a candy thermometer.
Put the finished product into the water and leave the rubber top of the vial uncovered. Pasturize for 35 minutes at 160-170- degree's. Remember to take some air out of the vial to allow air expansion.

There you have it bro's a 75 mg per ml home made tren mix.........HINT The "magic solution" is simply Benzyl Alcohol bro's....it's not rocket science.

How is that better than buying a kit???

 

[MadCow1]

Why even risk it bro?...........if 160 degrees f kills the bacteria well then why subject the hormone to 250 degrees?

It's not the heat that kills all the bacteria. It is bringing the temperature up and down multiple times in a timespan too short for the bacteria to adjust to. This is why you bake it multiple times while letting it cool in between. I don't believe that 160 will kill 100% of the bacteria. You might pose the question to animal on his forum animalkits.be

<FYI - when fina first came out in the early 90's I would crush up 3 pellets at a time, disolve in a hot 1.5 cc of oil, and then inject after cooling (yes, I was a total fucking idiot). No infections ever but that does not necessarily mean my gear was sterile or procedure sound. You'd be amazed what you can get away with so don't assume that because it worked your process is the absolute best way of doing it.>

 

[projection]

I believe either way would be fine. Why attack Realgains when he is just sharing his time and knowledge to help us out. He is just pointing out that, yes you can make your own and save a little money by using near identical components as the "kits." Or if you don't feel comfortable buy pre-made kits.

Its the same as buying an already built computer, or buying all the individuals parts and building themselves. Some people freak out and think if your buying all-in-one package then it must be better then building piece by piece. Again, I know we are dealing with our bodies, not a piece of equipment. However, if you are insightful and brave enough to make fina with the "kits", then you are already the type that know the inherent risks involved. Therefore, it makes no difference of having a "kit" or not since you are going to pasteruize. I am the type to do most things myself, and that goes for anything. I appreciate Realgains post and can relate to what he is trying to convey.

 

[rjl296]

L

 

[negaun]

once this thread came back from death i have something to say
Realgains' method works. i`ve used it last july and it`s very easy.

negaun

 

[JoBu]

Sounds great for those that want to do it all themselves, but with all this "buy this", "buy that" it would be much simpler to just buy a kit which includes everything than to go out and buy it all separately. Kits are very cheap.

I agree...Keep It Simple, Stupid! I'm lazy like that...I'd rather let someone else do the leg work and assemble the necessary stuff for me In exchange for the convienence I'm willing to pay a premium as long as it's reasonable. Nor that Realgains' method isn't valid for those who want to save a few bucks and don't mind doing the shopping.

JoBu

 

[negaun]

I agree...Keep It Simple, Stupid! I'm lazy like that...I'd rather let someone else do the leg work and assemble the necessary stuff for me In exchange for the convienence I'm willing to pay a premium as long as it's reasonable. Nor that Realgains' method isn't valid for those who want to save a few bucks and don't mind doing the shopping.

JoBu

of course if i could buy a kit i`d do it.
the reason i`ve used RG`s method is it`s difficult to buy one in Brazil since we are in the last century yet. lol
we cant send $$ by Moneygram, WU and other stuff like that..

 

[Keep it beefy]

just a quick search on the internet:

Sterilization is a term most frequently referenced in describing the destruction of microorganisms. Sterilization is, however, a process defined as the complete destruction of microorganisms either by heat, radiation, or microcidal chemical compounds (bactericides or virocides). It is seldom achieved and in food and feed ingredient processes and preparation seldom attempted. Sterilization obviously becomes important in a number of procedures with surgery being most notable. Several surgical functions including the procedure, the tissue preparation, and the preparation of the instruments are all-important steps in maintaining aseptic conditions. Most surgical packs are prepared using an autoclave, which effects sterilization by using high temperature steam (250 degrees Fahrenheit (F) or 121 degrees Celsius (C)) under pressure (15 psi).

Sterile means free of life of every kind and is actually achieved under very limited conditions. The control of microorganisms in medicine, industry, sanitation, food, and feed service involves the acceptance that sterilization is most often not achievable without destroying or severely damaging the product. However, acceptable numbers and types of microorganisms are controlled below any disease-producing threshold. In the food service sector, the term of commercially sterilized is used to describe non-sterile but safe product. Similarly, pasteurization is a process of heating, usually to either 145 degrees F (63 degrees C) for 30 minutes or 161 degrees F (72 degrees C) for 15 seconds, to kill pathogenic bacteria and inhibit total bacterial development. Pasteurization is a process that kills a percentage of the inherent microorganisms but is not a sterilization process.

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Incineration: burns organisms and physically destroys them. Used for needles , inoculating wires, glassware, etc. and objects not destroyed in the incineration process.
Boiling: 100°C for 30 minutes. Kills everything except some endospores (Actually, for the purposes of purifying drinking water 100°C for five minutes is probably adequate though there have been some reports that Giardia cysts can survive this process). To kill endospores, and therefore sterilize the solution, very long or intermittent boiling is required.
Autoclaving (steam under pressure or pressure cooker): 121°C for 15 minutes (15#/in2 pressure). Good for sterilizing almost anything, but heat-labile substances will be denatured or destroyed.
Dry heat (hot air oven): 160°C/2hours or 170°C/1hour. Used for glassware, metal, and objects that won't melt.

for more info: http://www.bact.wisc.edu/microtextbook/ControlGrowth/sterilization.html

it appears that boiling for 30 minutes three times kills allbacteria as well.

 

[acneman]

ohhh yeahhh