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It's different from his old line?
His old line had a funky taste IMO
His old line had a funky taste IMO
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/dya/promr.html
Maltodextrin IS ON that label.
What's In It?
Supplement Facts:
Serving Size: 1 Packet (72g)
Servings Per Container: 20
Amount Per Serving:
Calories: 270
-Calories from Fat: 25
Total Fat: 3 g
-Saturated Fat: 1 g
Cholesterol: 35 mg
Sodium: 380 mg
Potassium: 1240 mg
Total Carbohydrates: 19 g
-Dietary Fiber: 2 g
-Sugars: 3 g
Protein: 42 g
Vitamin A: 4500 IU
Niacin: 20 mg
Vitamin C: 36 mg
Vitamin B6: 1.2 mg
Zinc: 6 mg
Magnesium: 600 mg
Folic Acid: 200 mcg
Copper: 0.8 mg
Riboflavin: 1 mg
Iodine: 60 mcg
Manganese: 1 mg
Vitamin K: 40 mcg
Molybdenum: 60 mcg
Vitamin D: 240 IU
Biotin: 180 mcg
Vitamin E: 18 IU
Pantothenic Acid: 6 mg
Calcium: 1000 mg
Thiamine: 0.9 mg
Phosphorus: 900 mg
Iron: 8 mg
Vitamin B12: 3 mcg
Chromium: 50 mcg
Selenium: 30 mcg
Choline: 80 mg
Added Glutamine: 3 g
-(peptide bonded glutamine)
Ingredients:
Pro+MR Proprietary Structured Protein Blend (Milk Protein cultured with bifidus, acidophilus, and yogurt organisms, Peptide Bonded Glutamine, whey Protein from high fraction concentrate, Egg White), Maltodextrin, Vitamins and Minerals (Dicalcium Phosphate, Potassium Chloride, Dipotassium Phosphate, Potassium Citrate, Salt, Sodium citrate, Magnesium Oxide, Choline Bitartrate, Ascorbic Acid, d-Alpha Tocopheryl Acetate, Ferrous Fumarate, Niacinamide, Vitamin A Palmitate, Zinc Oxide, Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin K, Manganese Sulfate, Vitamin D3, Copper Sulfate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin, Thiamine Hydrochloride, Chromium Chloride, Cobalamin Concentrate (Vitamin B12), Folic Acid, Biotin, Sodium Molybdate, Sodium Selenite, Potassium Iodate), Calcium Iodate), Proprietary Metabolic Fat Blend (Sunflower Oil, Medium Chain Triglycerides, Lecithin), Natural and Artificial Flavors, Beet Root Powder, Cellulose Gum, Xanthan Gum, Aspartame, Carageenan, Acesulfame Potassium.
Phenylketonurics: Contains Phenylalanine.
Please Note:
Nutritional content and ingredients may vary slightly between Pro-M.R. flavors.
Directions: For a rich, delicious shake, combine contents of one envelope with 16 ounces of cold water and thoroughly mix in a blender for 60 seconds. Consume 2 to 3 servings per day.
These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.
Maltodextrin IS ON that label.
What's In It?
Supplement Facts:
Serving Size: 1 Packet (72g)
Servings Per Container: 20
Amount Per Serving:
Calories: 270
-Calories from Fat: 25
Total Fat: 3 g
-Saturated Fat: 1 g
Cholesterol: 35 mg
Sodium: 380 mg
Potassium: 1240 mg
Total Carbohydrates: 19 g
-Dietary Fiber: 2 g
-Sugars: 3 g
Protein: 42 g
Vitamin A: 4500 IU
Niacin: 20 mg
Vitamin C: 36 mg
Vitamin B6: 1.2 mg
Zinc: 6 mg
Magnesium: 600 mg
Folic Acid: 200 mcg
Copper: 0.8 mg
Riboflavin: 1 mg
Iodine: 60 mcg
Manganese: 1 mg
Vitamin K: 40 mcg
Molybdenum: 60 mcg
Vitamin D: 240 IU
Biotin: 180 mcg
Vitamin E: 18 IU
Pantothenic Acid: 6 mg
Calcium: 1000 mg
Thiamine: 0.9 mg
Phosphorus: 900 mg
Iron: 8 mg
Vitamin B12: 3 mcg
Chromium: 50 mcg
Selenium: 30 mcg
Choline: 80 mg
Added Glutamine: 3 g
-(peptide bonded glutamine)
Ingredients:
Pro+MR Proprietary Structured Protein Blend (Milk Protein cultured with bifidus, acidophilus, and yogurt organisms, Peptide Bonded Glutamine, whey Protein from high fraction concentrate, Egg White), Maltodextrin, Vitamins and Minerals (Dicalcium Phosphate, Potassium Chloride, Dipotassium Phosphate, Potassium Citrate, Salt, Sodium citrate, Magnesium Oxide, Choline Bitartrate, Ascorbic Acid, d-Alpha Tocopheryl Acetate, Ferrous Fumarate, Niacinamide, Vitamin A Palmitate, Zinc Oxide, Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin K, Manganese Sulfate, Vitamin D3, Copper Sulfate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin, Thiamine Hydrochloride, Chromium Chloride, Cobalamin Concentrate (Vitamin B12), Folic Acid, Biotin, Sodium Molybdate, Sodium Selenite, Potassium Iodate), Calcium Iodate), Proprietary Metabolic Fat Blend (Sunflower Oil, Medium Chain Triglycerides, Lecithin), Natural and Artificial Flavors, Beet Root Powder, Cellulose Gum, Xanthan Gum, Aspartame, Carageenan, Acesulfame Potassium.
Phenylketonurics: Contains Phenylalanine.
Please Note:
Nutritional content and ingredients may vary slightly between Pro-M.R. flavors.
Directions: For a rich, delicious shake, combine contents of one envelope with 16 ounces of cold water and thoroughly mix in a blender for 60 seconds. Consume 2 to 3 servings per day.
These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.
macrophage69alpha
New member
thats actually a low quality protein and MRP
milk protein concentrate:cheap
whey protein concentrate:cheap
egg white:fairly cheap
rest is
maltodextrin and vitamins
milk protein isolate, micellar casein, whey isolate should be part of a good MRP
milk protein concentrate:cheap
whey protein concentrate:cheap
egg white:fairly cheap
rest is
maltodextrin and vitamins
milk protein isolate, micellar casein, whey isolate should be part of a good MRP
JKurz1
Banned
Damn you..dont hate bro....do a search and find out how many people, amat. and pros swear by this shit...many say its the only MRP they use.....sugar is 1g!!!! Malto is so minimal it will have ZERO effect!
As for the protein, it's quality...........plain and simple....one postworkout, one any other time fo the day .....eat a good additianal 5-6 clean meals and report back to me....honestly.....I dont reccomend products I am not confident in...just like Muscle Milk...did I buy a tub? yes, it's taken me 3 months to finish it cause I am still skeptical!
As for the protein, it's quality...........plain and simple....one postworkout, one any other time fo the day .....eat a good additianal 5-6 clean meals and report back to me....honestly.....I dont reccomend products I am not confident in...just like Muscle Milk...did I buy a tub? yes, it's taken me 3 months to finish it cause I am still skeptical!
Lifterforlife
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JKurz1 said:
Selling points Jkurz...macro is right on.
JKurz1
Banned
Calories: 550
Total Fat: 5g
Saturated Fat: 1g
Cholesterol: 40mg
Sodium: 350mg
Potassium: 350mg
Total Carbohydrates: 84g
Dietary Fiber: 2g
Sugars: 1g
Protein: 42g
Vitamin A: 0%
Vitamin C: 0%
Calcium: 600mg
Iron: 0.9mg
Phosphorus: 420mg
Magnesium: 48mg
Other Ingredients:
Proprietary Carbohydrate Blend (Polymerized Glucose, Maltodextrin, Rice Starch, Tapioca Starch, Potato Starch), Proprietary Protein Blend (Milk Protein cultured with bifidus, acidophilus, and yogurt organisms, Whey Protein from concentrate and isolate, Peptide Bonded Glutamine, Egg White, Hydrolyzed Whey Protein), Proprietary Metabolic Fat Blend (Sunflower Oil, Medium Chain Triglycerides, Lecithin, Omega 3 Fatty Acids), Dutch Cocoa, Natural and Artificial Flavors, Cellulose Gum, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Aspartame, Acesulfame Potassium.
Total Fat: 5g
Saturated Fat: 1g
Cholesterol: 40mg
Sodium: 350mg
Potassium: 350mg
Total Carbohydrates: 84g
Dietary Fiber: 2g
Sugars: 1g
Protein: 42g
Vitamin A: 0%
Vitamin C: 0%
Calcium: 600mg
Iron: 0.9mg
Phosphorus: 420mg
Magnesium: 48mg
Other Ingredients:
Proprietary Carbohydrate Blend (Polymerized Glucose, Maltodextrin, Rice Starch, Tapioca Starch, Potato Starch), Proprietary Protein Blend (Milk Protein cultured with bifidus, acidophilus, and yogurt organisms, Whey Protein from concentrate and isolate, Peptide Bonded Glutamine, Egg White, Hydrolyzed Whey Protein), Proprietary Metabolic Fat Blend (Sunflower Oil, Medium Chain Triglycerides, Lecithin, Omega 3 Fatty Acids), Dutch Cocoa, Natural and Artificial Flavors, Cellulose Gum, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Aspartame, Acesulfame Potassium.
Lifterforlife
New member
Well, buy it. You will get hhhyyyyooooogggee I bet.
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T-Matt
Guest
With all due respect for AF Store, Biotest has the best MRP in my opinion..
http://www.t-nation.com/category.jsp?categoryID=34&pageNo=1&s=leftTable1
Spike, Power Drive, all their proteins, and Alpha Male are all friggin' awesome.. I just ordered some of their BCAA's and I'll let you know..
T-Matt
http://www.t-nation.com/category.jsp?categoryID=34&pageNo=1&s=leftTable1
Spike, Power Drive, all their proteins, and Alpha Male are all friggin' awesome.. I just ordered some of their BCAA's and I'll let you know..
T-Matt
JKurz1 said:
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T-Matt
Guest
Surge is the best PWO drink out there.. You can't really describe the taste.. it's not bad.. it's not great tho.. Almost like coconut really..lol
Now, the Metabolic Drive complete is good in ANY flavor.. All of them leave a film in your mouth making you feel like you just sucked down a milkshake.. Not exaggerating.. My fav is the vanilla b/c it's a great base giving you an option to make it any flavor you want.. The bars are friggin awesome too.. I'm a little skeptical about the Carbolin product.. They claim that it is superior to anavar.. They no longer offer it as a standalone supplement, they tossed it in their fatburner (Hot Rox Extreme) and their Test booster (Alpha Male)..
T-Matt
Now, the Metabolic Drive complete is good in ANY flavor.. All of them leave a film in your mouth making you feel like you just sucked down a milkshake.. Not exaggerating.. My fav is the vanilla b/c it's a great base giving you an option to make it any flavor you want.. The bars are friggin awesome too.. I'm a little skeptical about the Carbolin product.. They claim that it is superior to anavar.. They no longer offer it as a standalone supplement, they tossed it in their fatburner (Hot Rox Extreme) and their Test booster (Alpha Male)..
T-Matt
bruce410 said:
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T-Matt
Guest
LOL.. Biotest Trash? mannn.. I'll tell Winky Wright to stop using Spike since Biotest Shit is trash.. OH yeah and someone let St. Pierre (UFC) know too..If you're lucky he won't kick your ass..
Their bars are top of the line, high quality protein man.. Taste damn good too..
YEs, Metabolic Drive Vanilla has absolutely no bitter aftertaste.. as a matter of fact, I am 100% sure that you will actually end up looking forward to your PWO drink like it's a dessert because it tastes THAT good..
T-Matt
Their bars are top of the line, high quality protein man.. Taste damn good too..
YEs, Metabolic Drive Vanilla has absolutely no bitter aftertaste.. as a matter of fact, I am 100% sure that you will actually end up looking forward to your PWO drink like it's a dessert because it tastes THAT good..
T-Matt
bruce410 said:
Bruce
New member
awesome, winkT-Matt said:LOL.. Biotest Trash? mannn.. I'll tell Winky Wright to stop using Spike since Biotest Shit is trash.. OH yeah and someone let St. Pierre (UFC) know too..If you're lucky he won't kick your ass..
Their bars are top of the line, high quality protein man.. Taste damn good too..
YEs, Metabolic Drive Vanilla has absolutely no bitter aftertaste.. as a matter of fact, I am 100% sure that you will actually end up looking forward to your PWO drink like it's a dessert because it tastes THAT good..
T-Matt
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T-Matt
Guest
Here's a little about Biotest's MRP...........
So after studying your physiology, the brainy aliens design a meal replacement — a food designed to be a compete meal. It has to be pretty much the perfect food for humans. It contains the most evolved proteins known to science. It contains nominal but essential amounts of fats (no trans fatty acids, of course).
Beyond all that, it contains something earth really isn't familiar with: functional carbohydrates — stuff that sooths and heals your digestive tract, in addition to slowing absorption and thus ensuring a smooth insulin profile. It even has exotic nutrients in it to feed the bacteria in your gut that play a part in gut health, not to mention increasing nitrogen retention.
And, holy moons of Neptune, it tasted great....
"How the heck did they do that?" you ask. Well, they're advanced aliens, for Pete's sake! They can do anything they want! They've got technology we can't even comprehend!
Okay, forgive my lame science fiction intro, but science fiction is what comes to mind when I take a look at Biotest's new Metabolic Drive Complete because it almost seems too good to be true. Comparing this 2006 version of an MRP to the ones that first started showing up about 16 years ago is like comparing today's cell phones to their shoebox-sized ancestors that started popping up around the same time.
Many of you are familiar with Biotest's first MRP, Classic Grow! It was a fine product, but it was built with yesterday's technology and yesterday's nutritional beliefs. Metabolic Drive Complete is its high-tech successor.
Let's look at its profile, working down from the macro to the micro.
Each serving has 41 grams of protein, consisting of whey-protein concentrate, highly prized micellar casein, milk-protein concentrate, whey-protein isolate, calcium caseinate, and whey-protein isolate.
If you're not familiar with micellar casein, it's the absolute Ferrari of proteins. It's pure, elegant, highly anabolic, very difficult to make, and generally very expensive.
Beyond the micellar casein, the assorted proteins might not mean anything to you, but I do want to point out one important fact. The aliens...I mean, Tim and I, included a couple of protein concentrates in the blend for one very important reason: while isolates are great, they don't possess the valuable immunological fractions that we, along with a lot of scientists, feel are important to human health.
Believe me, they are cool and you want them.
Now let's take a look at our carbohydrate blend. Each serving has an average of 21 grams of carbohydrates (the chocolate flavor and the vanilla flavor have slightly different amounts), but oh, what carbohydrates they are!
Almost 6 grams consist of rice oligodextrin, which is a very slow-to-burn, low glycemic index carbohydrate that soothes the gastrointestinal tract and even prevents dehydration. We literally put as much of this exotic, functional carbohydrate into the formula as we could afford!
Another 6 grams of carbohydrate comes from a blend of rice bran, barley flour, oat fiber, Psyllium husk, brown rice flour, apple fiber, inulin, fibersol, and cellulose gum.
If you're not a fiber freak, let me tell you that's a great blend of healthy, largely natural soluble and insoluble fibers.
The remainder of the carbs consists of milk sugars and gums that ensure cohesiveness and a smooth mouth feel that's similar to an ice cream milkshake.
As far as fat, each serving contains 8 grams, consisting of sunflower oil and some naturally occurring milk fats.
While that covers the macronutrients, there are a few intangibles that deserve a little attention. While most people don't think much about the gut, it's crucial to health and anabolism. After all, how are you going to grow if you have lousy nutrient absorption?
With that in mind, we've included a little-known ingredient in Metabolic Drive Complete that's known as glucono-delta-lactone, or GDL. Japanese health food manufacturers have long known about how GDL is actually the preferred nutrient for intestinal bacterium, more so than the fructooligosaccharides that are their natural food stuff. While Americans rarely use GDL, we've included it in Metabolic Drive Complete.
As far as the sweetener, we've used a blend of various dextrins (including the rice ogligodextrin described above) and a small amount of the most evolved sweetener on the planet, sucralose.
T-Matt
So after studying your physiology, the brainy aliens design a meal replacement — a food designed to be a compete meal. It has to be pretty much the perfect food for humans. It contains the most evolved proteins known to science. It contains nominal but essential amounts of fats (no trans fatty acids, of course).
Beyond all that, it contains something earth really isn't familiar with: functional carbohydrates — stuff that sooths and heals your digestive tract, in addition to slowing absorption and thus ensuring a smooth insulin profile. It even has exotic nutrients in it to feed the bacteria in your gut that play a part in gut health, not to mention increasing nitrogen retention.
And, holy moons of Neptune, it tasted great....
"How the heck did they do that?" you ask. Well, they're advanced aliens, for Pete's sake! They can do anything they want! They've got technology we can't even comprehend!
Okay, forgive my lame science fiction intro, but science fiction is what comes to mind when I take a look at Biotest's new Metabolic Drive Complete because it almost seems too good to be true. Comparing this 2006 version of an MRP to the ones that first started showing up about 16 years ago is like comparing today's cell phones to their shoebox-sized ancestors that started popping up around the same time.
Many of you are familiar with Biotest's first MRP, Classic Grow! It was a fine product, but it was built with yesterday's technology and yesterday's nutritional beliefs. Metabolic Drive Complete is its high-tech successor.
Let's look at its profile, working down from the macro to the micro.
Each serving has 41 grams of protein, consisting of whey-protein concentrate, highly prized micellar casein, milk-protein concentrate, whey-protein isolate, calcium caseinate, and whey-protein isolate.
If you're not familiar with micellar casein, it's the absolute Ferrari of proteins. It's pure, elegant, highly anabolic, very difficult to make, and generally very expensive.
Beyond the micellar casein, the assorted proteins might not mean anything to you, but I do want to point out one important fact. The aliens...I mean, Tim and I, included a couple of protein concentrates in the blend for one very important reason: while isolates are great, they don't possess the valuable immunological fractions that we, along with a lot of scientists, feel are important to human health.
Believe me, they are cool and you want them.
Now let's take a look at our carbohydrate blend. Each serving has an average of 21 grams of carbohydrates (the chocolate flavor and the vanilla flavor have slightly different amounts), but oh, what carbohydrates they are!
Almost 6 grams consist of rice oligodextrin, which is a very slow-to-burn, low glycemic index carbohydrate that soothes the gastrointestinal tract and even prevents dehydration. We literally put as much of this exotic, functional carbohydrate into the formula as we could afford!
Another 6 grams of carbohydrate comes from a blend of rice bran, barley flour, oat fiber, Psyllium husk, brown rice flour, apple fiber, inulin, fibersol, and cellulose gum.
If you're not a fiber freak, let me tell you that's a great blend of healthy, largely natural soluble and insoluble fibers.
The remainder of the carbs consists of milk sugars and gums that ensure cohesiveness and a smooth mouth feel that's similar to an ice cream milkshake.
As far as fat, each serving contains 8 grams, consisting of sunflower oil and some naturally occurring milk fats.
While that covers the macronutrients, there are a few intangibles that deserve a little attention. While most people don't think much about the gut, it's crucial to health and anabolism. After all, how are you going to grow if you have lousy nutrient absorption?
With that in mind, we've included a little-known ingredient in Metabolic Drive Complete that's known as glucono-delta-lactone, or GDL. Japanese health food manufacturers have long known about how GDL is actually the preferred nutrient for intestinal bacterium, more so than the fructooligosaccharides that are their natural food stuff. While Americans rarely use GDL, we've included it in Metabolic Drive Complete.
As far as the sweetener, we've used a blend of various dextrins (including the rice ogligodextrin described above) and a small amount of the most evolved sweetener on the planet, sucralose.
T-Matt
bruce410 said:
nuthinbutagoodtym
New member
JKurz1 said:
You still believe what you read in Muscle and Fitness? LMFAO
"Pros swear by this shit"
nuthinbutagoodtym
New member
JKurz1 said:
I know a lot of local pros who still think Flax Oil is "fattening", and fat is fat.
Some of these guys need to "leave" the gym once in a while.
And thanks for noticing my intelligence bro.
Can't say the same for you
macrophage69alpha
New member
its a low quality formula, but dorian has a good name (and perhaps they like the taste). low quality does not mean that its not ok to use or that its not suitable, just that it could use BETTER ingredients.
analogy:
you can drive the geo metro and it will get you there, its nicer to travel in S500 and probably quicker. What you have here is a geo metro MRP with a Mercedes name and price.
analogy:
you can drive the geo metro and it will get you there, its nicer to travel in S500 and probably quicker. What you have here is a geo metro MRP with a Mercedes name and price.
nuthinbutagoodtym
New member
bruce410 said:
i'd love to know the "real" BF levels of athletes.
I just have the feeling they are being reported a LOT ower than they really are.
Like the guys people say are sub 3% (dead)................
Not directing this at you Bruce - (we're tight), I'm just talking in general.
macrophage69alpha
New member
skin fold you can get 3%, particularly if using GH. its not true 3% though.
c3bodybuilding
New member
BUT i would require it to have GOOD CARBS, such as from rice, oatmeal, etc. not sugar.
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Lee Haney makes one that uses yams as it's carb source. I think he sells it on his site.
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Lee Haney makes one that uses yams as it's carb source. I think he sells it on his site.
Bruce
New member
agreed cause i can caliper at 3 and have lower when i was a tiny runt. caliper is off, ive been weighed in water, i was 6.5 a few weeks ago at loyola for 40 bucks. it is plus or minus 3%. t.o said he was 8-9% in SI when they gave him best body of an athlete award. so who knows. in chi town we were always told that mj was 3% year round, the only athlete ever yada yada. i'd say a pro fighter like wink really is close to 4-5% on fight night especially if they are coming down in weight. i think wink and roy jones jr. and floyd mayweather get down to the lowest. if you look at them there is not an ounce of fat. a bit less bf than t.o but they are not as jacked. i'd say pro fighter 5-6, pro WR or DB is prolly 8-10%. who knows though. macro what do you think about biotest on the link t matt gave, a lot of fighters do love it
c3bodybuilding
New member
Damn Bruce, just noticed your avatar. As dissapointed as I am that you aren't a bald black man, I gotta say looking shredded. Reminds me of the look Stallone had in Rambo 2.
How is the cycle going?
How is the cycle going?
JKurz1
Banned
Macro - I like u bro and not going to do battle, but Yates formula is as good as 99% of the SUPPLEMENTS out there protein quality wise....it's like saying, I dont want maltodex. in my shake, but when it's listed as the 4th or 54th ingredient and there is 1g of sugar total, it's irrelevant...just like brown vs white rice, instant vs rolled oats...
carb source is complex, so it's by far the best MASS GAINING formula Ive seen.....
Like I said, Im still confused about Muscle milk, so thats my next exploration....I've had a jug for 3 months.....trying to really map out the details.
As for the bars, you are seriously almost as well off to grab a snickers and glass of milk...way too many fillers, and junk...trust me, I wish they were good, I have about 5 cases that I got free, all different types!
carb source is complex, so it's by far the best MASS GAINING formula Ive seen.....
Like I said, Im still confused about Muscle milk, so thats my next exploration....I've had a jug for 3 months.....trying to really map out the details.
As for the bars, you are seriously almost as well off to grab a snickers and glass of milk...way too many fillers, and junk...trust me, I wish they were good, I have about 5 cases that I got free, all different types!
jkurs, im not sure about this one, but i dont think they have to classify matlodextrin as sugar on the label, just wondering. Because there is a weight gainer drink at my gym, XXL. Its like 19g of sugar, but like50+ carbs, coming from maltodextrin.
Just a statement, can some1 prove it right/wrong?
Just a statement, can some1 prove it right/wrong?
macrophage69alpha
New member
Slyder190 said:
agree
macrophage69alpha
New member
JKurz1 said:
no need for a battle, though would say 90%- though being in the 90% of average supplements is nothing to be braggin about, though its better than the bottom 30% which are just junk. there are some high quality MRP's that use isolates and micellar caseinate.
basically not saying that its a terrrible MRP, just that there are better ones for similar or lower price.
JKurz1
Banned
GI index on this product would be in the low to med. range just like any other Mass shake.....I would rate it in the top 3 as far as MRPs and Weight Gainers as most are nothing but fillers, junk, high sugars, calories....Slyder190 said:
NOW, said that, there are some protein isolates and solid protein source shakes that have a better quality protein, but as far as I am concerned, pulling up in a convertible 3 series will bring me just as many chicks as a 5 series.....
c3bodybuilding
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very well my friend lovin var at 100mg ed, btw that is nothing, i am holding the cam so i can barely flex. i'm much more shredded and vascular than that. i will have a my gf take a pic at the end of this cycle.>>>>>>>
Yeah, it's hard to take a good pic when you have to hold the cam too. You just can';t flex or pose right like that. A very solid look you have now. What would you say your current bf is? 5 or lower? I wouldn't say any higher than that.
very well my friend lovin var at 100mg ed, btw that is nothing, i am holding the cam so i can barely flex. i'm much more shredded and vascular than that. i will have a my gf take a pic at the end of this cycle.>>>>>>>
Yeah, it's hard to take a good pic when you have to hold the cam too. You just can';t flex or pose right like that. A very solid look you have now. What would you say your current bf is? 5 or lower? I wouldn't say any higher than that.
silverbackn
New member
Yates stuff is always good
silverbackn
New member
I gotta be honest, lean mass complex by Prolab is very high quality and tastes good. The only MRP I will use.
silverbackn
New member
Word! It has fiber, complex carbs, healthy fats, and quality protein, you can't beat it.wellbilt said:
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T-Matt
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Don't forget, Biotest has a low carb MRP as well.. I"m not compensated by Biotest for pimping their products, I just let science do the talking.. If you have an understanding of the Glycemic Index you'll understand how great Biotest's MRP is..
Now, I have never tried Prolab or Nitrotech, I'm sure they design a great product, I am just partial to Biotest b/c I love the taste and IMO they have the highest quality of proteins in their MRPs..
T-Matt
Now, I have never tried Prolab or Nitrotech, I'm sure they design a great product, I am just partial to Biotest b/c I love the taste and IMO they have the highest quality of proteins in their MRPs..
T-Matt
JKurz1 said:
Slyder190
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JKurz1 said:
JKurz, I disagree with you, in a friendly way, as we've always been cool. I would put money down the GI Index is not low to moderate, most likely high or moderate to high at best. Maltodextrin is a high GI carb. I never pay attention when I see things like, "Only 1 gram of sugar", (or 2 or 3), on any type of product whether it be on line at DPS or in the supermarket. It's probabaly the major contributing reason we're now seeing new MRP's come out (well a few any way) with these new slow burning, higher fiber carb sources. I'm tellin ya bro, you're mistaken.
JKurz1
Banned
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Well, after going to vitaminworld (just to rack some brains), the gys there said Yates formulas didnt sell for shit. They were all against the Maltodex. too, but then said cytogainer was a huge hit. I looked at its ingredients and it just doesnt seem as good as Dorians. Then I found the MHP Mass, ingredients were damn good, but the dude said the taste usually is subpar.....so what are your thoughts? Make your own? How do you feel about Musclemilk?
Well, after going to vitaminworld (just to rack some brains), the gys there said Yates formulas didnt sell for shit. They were all against the Maltodex. too, but then said cytogainer was a huge hit. I looked at its ingredients and it just doesnt seem as good as Dorians. Then I found the MHP Mass, ingredients were damn good, but the dude said the taste usually is subpar.....so what are your thoughts? Make your own? How do you feel about Musclemilk?
silverbackn
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MHP mass is a GREAT formula, except for the fact that the main protein is SOY!JKurz1 said:
nuthinbutagoodtym
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JKurz1 said:
Dude - just pick on, and fukin go with it.
Is this all you think about 24/7?
Ever heard of OCD?
I'm REALLY not trying to flame here, but it's not the last 24 hours before a competition for you - it's just a fukin shake...........
I think your problem is that you don't just ask a question and then accept/appreciate feedback. Instead , it's lke you have something YOU like and no matter how anyone responds - you keep pushing your point.
Ask a question, get some responses, and then move on with your life..........
Take a Valium Bro,.......................
marshallmadman
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I like the MHP Mass. I seriously doubt that the main protein is soy, dude.
marshallmadman
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Okay, I'll admit it. I was wrong. Soy Protein is the main source of Protein. Shoot me. Refresh my memory here. Why is this on the Steroid Board? The AF Store doesn't carry Dorians stuff.
marshallmadman
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You musta been typing that before you saw my retraction.
c3bodybuilding
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Cyto is just sugar. I use it post w/o with 7ius of slin. Otherwise I wouldn't touch it.
Honestly, the best shake I've ever used to gain mass is one that AAP posted a recipe for a while back. I will search to see if I can find the link. Now that I have the time to eat more real meals, I do that. But I understand that sometimes you just have no choice but to drink an mrp or a few shakes through out the day.
Honestly, the best shake I've ever used to gain mass is one that AAP posted a recipe for a while back. I will search to see if I can find the link. Now that I have the time to eat more real meals, I do that. But I understand that sometimes you just have no choice but to drink an mrp or a few shakes through out the day.
c3bodybuilding
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I thought I had it saved to my favorites. It's basically oats, milk, grahm crackers, protein powder and natural peanut butter all blended up.
I would put one cup of oats, three scoops of whey, one tablespoon of natural pb, 2 grahm crackers and some fat free milk. It would take about 30minutes to drink, but would really fill you up!
I would put one cup of oats, three scoops of whey, one tablespoon of natural pb, 2 grahm crackers and some fat free milk. It would take about 30minutes to drink, but would really fill you up!
JKurz1
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Graham crackers arent in the equation bro....junk.
It would be nice to just be able to find a nice mass gain shake, as they have more vitamins, nutrients, glutamine, etc...
That MHP Mass....it has soy, but I believe a good balance overall.....what if we took half the dose and tossed in another scoop of whey
It would be nice to just be able to find a nice mass gain shake, as they have more vitamins, nutrients, glutamine, etc...
That MHP Mass....it has soy, but I believe a good balance overall.....what if we took half the dose and tossed in another scoop of whey
nuthinbutagoodtym
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JKurz1 said:
You're the most OCD person I have ever seen.
You are getting good advice from people whom obviously know more about nutrition than you.
If you're afraid of a few graham crackers in your shake - then you must be -3% BF year round, cause you act like anything outside of a few nutrients are pure "poison".
I'd love to see you in a supplement store - i bet it's like someone shopping for a Lambo.................
I wonder how many sales associates have literally walked off the job over your OCD.
Fukin GREAT
nuthinbutagoodtym
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JKurz1 said:
You are SO full of shit.
You are starting to lose sight of your abs and you think you're 3%??????
LMFAO
c3bodybuilding
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You could always remove the graham crackers (but there's only like two little pieces) and still have a quality shake. The oats and fat free milk won't hurt you. Neither would a little natural pb.
If you are really this worried about ingredients, I think it might be best to stick to whole food. I know you want a meal replacement for times you can't get a meal in, but you could always just have some cottage cheese with either a piece of fruit or some nuts. It's quick and dull, but it works.
If you are really this worried about ingredients, I think it might be best to stick to whole food. I know you want a meal replacement for times you can't get a meal in, but you could always just have some cottage cheese with either a piece of fruit or some nuts. It's quick and dull, but it works.
