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wow, look what they're allowed to feed cattle in the U.S.....

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Banned
By-Products and Regionally Available Alternative Feedstuffs for Dairy Cattle




This is just from the "unusual" classified section.........

Bakery Waste
Pastry products from stores or bakeries. May be received without drying or removal of the wrappers.

Consists of various combinations of bread, crackers, cookies, cakes, and doughnuts. Usually dried and ground together.
Higher in energy than corn, but very low in fiber.
Restrict to not more than 20% to 25% of grain ration, 10% of the TMR, or 8 pounds per head per day.
Tends to depress milk fat content when fed at high levels. Avoid more than 1 pound of added fat per cow per day.
Higher levels may be fed to replacement heifers and dry cows.
Salt content variable, generally 1% to 3%.
Highly palatable and may be run through a forage chopper to facilitate feeding.


Beans (or Peas), Cull
Seed not acceptable for food use.

Cull beans and peas contain about 25% CP (DM basis).
Palatability and protein quality restrict use.
May comprise 15% to 20% of concentrate DM or 7% to 10% of total mixed ration dry matter. Researchers have fed 25% of grain as field peas with no negative effect.
Generally recommend rolling prior to feeding.
Anti-nutritional component of raw navy beans (lectin) reduces nutrient uptake by the small intestine, limiting feeding rate to less than 2 pounds per cow per day.
Heat processing will minimize detrimental effects of lectins and increase UIP value.


Candy
Rejected product from candy and sweetener manufacture.

Examples include chocolate candy bars, cull gummy bears, lemon drops, and licorice.
Products available through distributors and sometimes the factory.
Analysis will vary depending on source.
Sources of certain nutrients, namely, fat and sugar, but low in protein.
Highly palatable.
Limit to 5 pounds per day, equivalent to 1 pound of supplemental fat.
May be blended with pasta or peanut skins.
Typical analysis of candy products is: 5.2% CP, 5% ADF, 1.10 Mcal NEL per pound, .07% calcium, .17% phosphorus, and 22.4% other extract (fat).


Fat
Common sources include whole oilseeds, animal fat, and various ruminal-inert granular fat products.

Best used in a combination of both plant and animal fat when added to diet.
Source of concentrated energy -- 2.25 times the energy of carbohydrates.
Unsaturated fats (vegetable oils) tend to lower milk fat test.
Saturated fats from animal sources or animal-vegetable blends.
Increase calcium and magnesium levels in diet to 1% and .3%, respectively.
Several "dry fat" forms available commercially referred to as inert fats.
Generally, oilseeds are limited to 1.5 pounds per cow per day or 3% of the total mixed ration dry matter. This limits intake of whole oilseeds to less than 7 pounds of dry matter per cow per day or 15% of the TMR dry matter.
Can feed animal fat (tallow) at 2% of ration DM (about 1 pound per cow per day) to high producing cows along with whole oilseeds.
Choice white grease guidelines similar to tallow.
Restaurant grease is not recommended to be fed to lactating cows because of milk fat depression related to trans-fatty acids in vegetable oil.
Because the fatty acid profile of vegetable oil is more highly unsaturated than animal fat, its feeding rate should be limited to .5 pounds per cow per day and should not be fed along with whole oilseeds.
Total supplemental fat should be limited to less than 5% of ration DM (3% whole oilseeds, and 2% from animal fat) or less than 2.5 pounds per cow per day. This limits total ration fat levels (including basal ingredients) to about 7% to 8% of ration DM.
Animal fat must be melted and can be difficult to blend in TMR or to feed individually.
Blending animal fat with the protein concentrate or grain mix at the feed mill or purchasing commercial high-fat supplements make it easier to handle.
Fat can be fed during lactation as long as the level of milk production (>70 pounds per day) and body condition (BCS <3.0) warrant its use.


Molasses, Cane
Coproduct from manufacture of sugar from sugar cane.

Highly palatable.
Used for flavor and control of dust in rations.


Pasta
Available from processors and ingredient distributors as straight pasta or blends with other ingredients.

Use in limited amounts to avoid milk fat depression because of high starch content. Less restrictive than cooked starch or bread.
Can be fed at rates from 4 to 8 pounds of DM per cow per day, depending on its starch content.
Typical analysis, on a dry matter basis: 14.6% CP, 3% ADF, .90 Mcal NEL per pound, .02% calcium, .16% phosphorus, and 1.6% fat (EE).


Potato Waste
Potato processing waste. Usually a mixture of various components: steam peel, raw chip, french fries, and cooked potato.

Potato waste straight from a processing plant may contain varying amounts of inedible or rotten potatoes, french fries, chips, skins, and fats or oils from frying operations. Pay attention to its composition.
By-product is quite liquid (approximately 75% to 80% moisture), making it difficult to transport and store.
Primarily an energy source that is highly digestible and very palatable. Caution is required to avoid ruminal acidosis. Cattle will need to adapt to it gradually.
Protein content (about 9%) is typically only 60% digestible, depending on amount of heat used while processing.
Low fiber content may be associated with a decrease in milk fat percentage.
Potato-based rations often vary in calcium and, to some degree, magnesium. A mixture of limestone, dicalcium phosphate, and trace mineral salt is suggested to prevent deficiencies.
Deficient in fat soluble vitamins requiring added supplementation.
When feeding culls, use fresh. Can be fed to cows either whole or chopped.
Do not use frozen, rotten, or sprouted potatoes. Frozen potatoes may cause choking.
Limit dairy cattle to 25 to 35 pounds per cow per day, on an as fed basis, or 5 to 8 pounds of DM per cow per day.
Typical nutrient analysis (DM basis) for cull potatoes and potato waste is: 10% CP, 3% ADF, .83 NEL per pound, .02% calcium, .24% phosphorus, and .4% EE; and 8% CP, 6% ADF, .87 NEL per pound, .16% calcium, .25% phosphorus, and 5% EE, respectively.
Potato processing wastes can be mixed with chaff, chopped hay, or haylage and preserved as silage, as well as dried and preserved as potato meal.


Screenings
Clean out from various small grains and corn.

Best grade consists primarily of broken and shrunken kernels of grain, wild oats, and other weed seeds.
When ground, good screenings approach grain in feeding value and have been used as 25% of concentrate mixes for dairy and 15% to 20% in feedlot rations.
Light, chaffy screenings are much higher in fiber and resemble straw (more than grain) in feeding value. Restrict to 10% or less of concentrate mixes.
If screenings contain much mustard, lambs-quarters, and pigweed, their feeding value is very low and may be unpalatable.
Some weed seeds may cause objectionable flavor in the milk and meat of animals consuming large quantities.
Some weed seeds pass through the digestive tract and contaminate fields and pastures where manure is deposited.
Mycotoxins tend to associate with the fines when mold problems exist in the field.
Vomitoxin is an indicator of mycotoxin contamination.


Starch
Unheated starch is available from some candy manufacturers.

Most effective when used in rations needing more rumen fermentable starch.
May comprise up to 15% to 20% of concentrate DM or 7% to 10% of total mixed ration DM, depending on starch content.
Typical nutrient analysis: 10.8% CP, 4.4 ADF, .85 Mcal NEL per pound, .13% calcium, .18% phosphorus, and .4% EE.


Wastes, Animal
Recycled animal wastes from broilers or layer-house litter.
Feeding level in grower and finishing rations for beef cattle and sheep is 5% to 15%.
Animal wastes are not approved as a feed for lactating dairy cattle.
Mineral levels extremely variable.


Whey
Liquid residue of milk separated from curd during cheese making. Consists mainly of lactose, protein, minerals, and waste.

Sweet whey (from cheddar and mozzarella processing) has pH of 6.0. Acid whey (from processing cottage cheese) has pH of 4.6 making it less palatable. Acid levels of both whey products drops pH to about 3.5 in two days.
Corrosive -- store in suitable holding tank (plastic, stainless steel, glass, or wood).
Should be delivered fresh daily.
Whey over 36 hours old and of low pH is not as palatable as fresh product.
Cows adapt slowly to product. May require up to 4 weeks.
Once accustomed, cows will consume about two-thirds of their normal water intake as whey. Contains about 4% to 7% dry matter, with the solids fraction relatively high in feeding value.
On DM basis, whey is similar to corn in TDN; contains one-third more protein.
Most whey contains 11% to 13% CP, energy similar to ear corn. Some whey contains 7% to 8% fat, but more typically .2% to .1% fat (DM basis).
Few problems are generally encountered. However, bloat and acidosis can occur if supply is allowed to run out and hungry animals over-consume whey in a short period of time.
Whey is best provided using a tank or watering device, however, flies can be a problem.
Feeding whey increases urine output.
It is important that animals fed whey have free access to water at all times. Animals will naturally reduce water consumption on their own, but it may be necessary to restrict water intake for five to 10 hours each day for several days to encourage intake.
Intake of liquid whey should be limited to not more than 100 to 150 pounds per cow per day.
Can also be used in feeding programs for replacement heifers.
Dried whey products are considered energy feeds and contain 37% to 72% lactose, which is readily fermented in the rumen. It can be added to diets to increase ruminal fermentation and microbial protein synthesis.
Dried whey is usually more expensive than traditional feed ingredients, limiting its use.





pretty sure animals werent' designed by nature to eat this kind of shit no matter what they "allowable" intakes are......like those are adhered to anyway. Meat isn't bad for people, it's this kind of meat that's what's bad. I'm utterly disgusted. I've severely cut down on meat regardless, but when I do eat it it's free range for me. No wonder they have to pump these animals full of anti biotics......:barf:
 
Go watch the documentary "Food, Inc."
 
I think it's the recycled chicken shit that I find the most revolting. What sick bastard thought that one up?

On the plus side, with the advent of Mad Cow at least feed animals are no longer cannibals.
 
apparently their even allowed to mix into the general feed a certain amount of slaughterhouse leftovers.......ie they're turning herbivores into part carnivores. Revolting to say the least.
 
When a country has a demand as high as the U.S. it's not surprising how low they'll $toop to meet it. Apparently it's still not time for some decent border control either. This country simply wasn't made for everybody. No country is.
 
who cares, meat tastes good.



dude, you do realize that animal tissue that has been fed this kind of crap retains some of that shit right? Yes, meat can taste good......but for fuck's sake it wouldn't bother me none to never have another piece of meat ever again in my life if it meant I didn't have to be exposed to this shit. I'll take free range steak from now on thank you. I always knew that cattle weren't really fed what they were supposed to, but I had no fucking clue the level of depravity that they stooped to. And I know someone is going to say that the bad stuff is such a small portion of the overall feed..........I don't care. 1 part per trillion of shit is too much shit.
 
dude, you do realize that animal tissue that has been fed this kind of crap retains some of that shit right? Yes, meat can taste good......but for fuck's sake it wouldn't bother me none to never have another piece of meat ever again in my life if it meant I didn't have to be exposed to this shit. I'll take free range steak from now on thank you. I always knew that cattle weren't really fed what they were supposed to, but I had no fucking clue the level of depravity that they stooped to. And I know someone is going to say that the bad stuff is such a small portion of the overall feed..........I don't care. 1 part per trillion of shit is too much shit.

all i eat is free range, the 1 time a month i ever get around to eating beef.
 
This is why I only buy Maple Leaf Prime chicken (chicken that is only fed VEGETABLE GRAIN feed – a blend of corn, wheat, soybean, canola, and vitamins that contains NO ANIMAL BY-PRODUCTS), and Alberta beef. A buddy of mine has a line on bison that are strictly grass-fed also.

There is better quality meat out there if you are willing to look for it, and spend a little more than the big-box supermarket charges for their cut-rate crap.
 
I think it's the recycled chicken shit that I find the most revolting. What sick bastard thought that one up?

On the plus side, with the advent of Mad Cow at least feed animals are no longer cannibals.

+1 just another reason why I don't eat meat.
 
I saw one documentary where they were feeding cattle powdered concrete to help them gain weight faster so they could be slaughtered earlier.

You almost have to feel for the farmers though. That is a tough business to be in and while the free range organic farmers have better stuff, it costs more plus taking much longer to produce (meat wise) and that equals lower demand.
 
+1 just another reason why I don't eat meat.
I was a lacto-ovo vegetarian for 11 years. Unfortunately, that stopped being an option when I developed an intolerance to glutens and legumes.

Despite the fact of eating meat, and always taking a good balanced multivitamin and B complex supplement since I was a teen, I'm still discovering I'm deficient in certain nutrients (B12, of all damned things, who knows what else ...)
 
I wonder if all the little kids in Asia with Beri Beri who eat nothing but polished rice would have the same concerns.


you mean the asians who suffer a 1/20 of the maladies we do? it's because of that diet that they don't have the vascular disease's we do. So I really wonder who's better off.

As a doctor in training you "should" be aware of the effects western diet has had on us.
 
you mean the asians who suffer a 1/20 of the maladies we do? it's because of that diet that they don't have the vascular disease's we do. So I really wonder who's better off.

As a doctor in training you "should" be aware of the effects western diet has had on us.

As a retard, I fully expect you to sensationalize everything that is bad in order to push your agenda while ignoring the fact that people in other countries dont even have access to the vitamins and minerals that are required for proper growth and as cofactors for the most basic of metabolic reactions out bodies require to sustain themselves. Dont be such a fucking faggot. I wasnt saying we necessarily are any better off. I was merely pointing out that for cry baby pieces of shit like you, someone will always be out to get you, you'll always have it harder than everybody else, and you'll always be whining and bitching about EVERYTHING.

The truth of the fact is, you dont have to eat anything you dont want to. Nobody's forcing it into your mouth. And the fact that you live in the western world means you have it A LOT better than the people in Africa, Asia, etc etc. Stop being a whiney little bitch. If you dont want to eat beef, don't fucking eat it. Is it that fucking difficult?

You dont see kids running around here looking like this. There's a reason for that.

beriberi4.jpg


nwaz_02_img0214.jpg


kwashiorkor.jpg

These kids arent fat b/c they eat a lot of TTT beef. That's not even fat....

marasmus.jpg


mcgill_pellagra.jpg


goiter.jpg



All of the above images are due to deficiencies in the most basic vitamins and minerals that due to the western diet, you had no problems getting an adequate supply of when you were a kid. Stop crying like a little girl and be thankful for what you have.
 
you mean the asians who suffer a 1/20 of the maladies we do? it's because of that diet that they don't have the vascular disease's we do. So I really wonder who's better off.

As a doctor in training you "should" be aware of the effects western diet has had on us.
Don't blame him, not his fault, docs in this country get shit for nutritional training.

I've literally typed, DOZENS of times a doctor's sage advice to some obese patient as being "I told him/her to stop eating." THOSE VERY WORDS and I'm not making it up. Not, "I recommended they meet with a nutritionist," not "I advised them to start getting some gentle exercise every day," just stop eating. Shit, it works for anorexics, right?
 
Don't blame him, not his fault, docs in this country get shit for nutritional training.

I've literally typed, DOZENS of times a doctor's sage advice to some obese patient as being "I told him/her to stop eating." THOSE VERY WORDS and I'm not making it up. Not, "I recommended they meet with a nutritionist," not "I advised them to start getting some gentle exercise every day," just stop eating. Shit, it works for anorexics, right?

you guys cry cry cry cry cry about it being so bad here..... Go "live off the land" in Zaire for a few years and see if you dont come running back.
 
I fully expect you to sensationalize everything that is bad in order to push your agenda


did you just write "push my agenda"?? oh please enlighten me you simpleton.



while ignoring the fact that people in other countries dont even have access to the vitamins and minerals that are required for proper growth and as cofactors for the most basic of metabolic reactions out bodies require to sustain themselves.



and I wasn't talking about people who don't eat period you simpleton, I was talking about asian diets where meat is something they have once in a while....not every fucking day. Of course I wasn't talking about people who aren't eating anything at all........fuck you're a dolt.



The truth of the fact is, you dont have to eat anything you dont want to. Nobody's forcing it into your mouth. And the fact that you live in the western world means you have it A LOT better than the people in Africa, Asia, etc etc. Stop being a whiney little bitch. If you dont want to eat beef, don't fucking eat it. Is it that fucking difficult?



FYI, I was eating meat "maybe" once or twice every few months before I learned about this. I had given up meat already.
As you were.....



You dont see kids running around here looking like this. There's a reason for that.

beriberi4.jpg


nwaz_02_img0214.jpg


kwashiorkor.jpg

These kids arent fat b/c they eat a lot of TTT beef. That's not even fat....

marasmus.jpg


mcgill_pellagra.jpg


goiter.jpg




no you're right, our kids look like this.........http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/strollerderby/2007/09/08-15/fat_kid.jpg



All of the above images are due to deficiencies in the most basic vitamins and minerals that due to the western diet, you had no problems getting an adequate supply of when you were a kid. Stop crying like a little girl and be thankful for what you have.



in conclusion, what does any of this have to do with the fact that cattle is being raised in this country being fed fecal matter amongst many other things? It doesn't, you're just flubbering as usual.
 
Oh man I saw that too.

Costs me a fortune in buying a new toilet every few months as well.



according to douchebag, stop your faggoty ass whining.....so what they're feeding cattle concrete? We should all be eternally grateful that we can walk to our grocery stores right now and get us some concrete seasoned t-bone. So we just shouldn't raise any complaints period and just let our collective health's slip further and further away from us while douchebags like chris work in a field which capitalizes on our dietary mistakes instead of doing everything in their power to keep us from making them in the first place.
 
you guys cry cry cry cry cry about it being so bad here..... Go "live off the land" in Zaire for a few years and see if you dont come running back.
See, there's not a damned thing wrong with those countries, WHEN the people lived tribally and WERE able to live off the land as their ancestors had. When tinpot dictators started breaking up the country into their private empires, and forcing people to live agriculturally on a land that was never meant to be lived on that way, people started starving.

Excess calories does not equal good nutrion. The vast majority of obese people are suffer from vitamin and mineral deficiencies. It's been my observation that people who feed their animals cheap pet food have fat pets. The animals are fat because they overeat. They overeat because they have to eat more calories to consume sufficient nutrition. You can overeat garbage, be as fat as a house, and still be suffering malnutrion.

If one of the first things physicians were taught to do with someone who is sick, whether the patient is fat or thin, was to test all vitamin and mineral levels, there'd be a whole bunch of other tests they'd never need to run. How often do you test for vitamin and mineral deficiencies, Doc?

People overeat for a lot of reasons, stress, depression, boredom, but I think the biggest reason people are obese is because their bodies are, literally, hungry for the right nutrition.
 
you're lecturing people who don't understand that there are a vast amount of alternative sources of nutrition than meat. Chris is just another brainwashed monkey.



See, there's not a damned thing wrong with those countries, WHEN the people lived tribally and WERE able to live off the land as their ancestors had. When tinpot dictators started breaking up the country into their private empires, and forcing people to live agriculturally on a land that was never meant to be lived on that way, people started starving.

Excess calories does not equal good nutrion. The vast majority of obese people are suffer from vitamin and mineral deficiencies. It's been my observation that people who feed their animals cheap pet food have fat pets. The animals are fat because they overeat. They overeat because they have to eat more calories to consume sufficient nutrition. You can overeat garbage, be as fat as a house, and still be suffering malnutrion.

If one of the first things physicians were taught to do with someone who is sick, whether the patient is fat or thin, was to test all vitamin and mineral levels, there'd be a whole bunch of other tests they'd never need to run. How often do you test for vitamin and mineral deficiencies, Doc?

People overeat for a lot of reasons, stress, depression, boredom, but I think the biggest reason people are obese is because their bodies are, literally, hungry for the right nutrition.
 
dude, you do realize that animal tissue that has been fed this kind of crap retains some of that shit right? Yes, meat can taste good......but for fuck's sake it wouldn't bother me none to never have another piece of meat ever again in my life if it meant I didn't have to be exposed to this shit. I'll take free range steak from now on thank you. I always knew that cattle weren't really fed what they were supposed to, but I had no fucking clue the level of depravity that they stooped to. And I know someone is going to say that the bad stuff is such a small portion of the overall feed..........I don't care. 1 part per trillion of shit is too much shit.

You know that when someone farts and you smell it you're getting gaseous particles of shit from their ass sucked up your nose into your chemical receptors...I doubt that's good for us either!
 
You know that when someone farts and you smell it you're getting gaseous particles of shit from their ass sucked up your nose into your chemical receptors...I doubt that's good for us either!


that's what makes crop dusting the weight room on your way out after a hard workout so satisfying. You know that all those people falling out clutching at their noses are getting a nice good up close experience with the inner walls of your colon..........everybody wins!
 
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