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winstrol or boldenone undecylenate

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casbarocker

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I am a newbiee

I am a male mid 20's 180 pounds.
I have been working out seriouse for 1.5 years now 4 days a week.

I want to gain 10 to 15 pounds of lean muscle, and want to be extremely ripped. I have a 6 pac now and am hoping for an 8 pac.

Some people I know suggested winstrol or boldenone undecylenate. I was hoping someone could give me info, suggestions to help me out on wich to choose.
 
well thanks

but anyways

i'm sorry if I am a noobie and sound dumb at all for asking

but if anyone can give me advice on the two I was asking about, or suggestions on wich to use, I would be very greatful.

or even good places to read more up on them

thanks in advance
 
If this is your 1st cycle, test is best. A single ester like Enanthate or cyp. 500mg ew for 8 to 12 wks. Diet and training will get you what you want, not some magical chemical. If you want to cut up, lower carbs and fat, keep the protien high...blah, blah, blah. The diet forum has more on this. The extra chemicals will just speed the process up a bit. Diet and training 1st, any anabolic will work. I think test is best for a 1st cycle, no matter what the goal is.
 
I think you need to study up more, and the number of abdominal muscles you have is genetic, you won't make a "6" become an "8"...
 
read up on some sample stacks, nutrition while on and training..

test at 600 for 12 weeks is a great first stack... get nolva before you order your gear.. if you dont know why then keep readiing...
 
I agree with nucman. Work on your diet... throw more cardio in too! Winny and boldenone will only do so much without either of these!
Good luck!
 
as far as getting more ripped, thats gonna be up to your diet,cardio..etc...but both EQ and Winstrol would help becuase you gain muscle with very little water/fat which will obviously make you appear more lean if you eating good. And as far as which one is better ...for me Winstrol is some strong shit, i got great gains off it,,,,Eq is a veryyyy mild steroid and i seriously doubt you would gain 10-15 lbs unless you were eating like a madman, in which case you would gain some fat too.
 
thanks guys
I really appreciate all the info
I think I will probably start out with the boldenone
I eat now about 4 meals a day plus 3 protien shakes, all my meals are low low carb and fat, and high protien.

Since from what I am understanding so far with boldenone, it is more mild, but good lean muscle, if I wanna push to gain how much would you recomend i take a week?
 
You are missing the picture here. EQ will, no doubt, make for a shitty 1st cycle. I dialtone said in another post:

"I would not do EQ for a first cycle - reason being you're a newbie and chances are no more than three weeks in you'll be crying about the lack of obvious results. You need muscle and strength. Go 300mg test E3D for 10 weeks then go into PCT. Toss in 30mg anavar ED for 6 weeks if you can afford it."
It came from this thread on the same topic:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=309890

TEST CYP or TEST ENANTHATE for a 1st cycle. Lean gains are a function of DIET not drugs. A strict diet with plenty of protien, will produce slow, quality, lean, gains. Eat like a horse, and you'll grow like a weed, and maybe gain 30 or more lbs.
 
Nucman said:
You are missing the picture here. EQ will, no doubt, make for a shitty 1st cycle
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I think you can do well with Eq for a first cycle, at 600mg/week he can get 10 lean pounds. Do it for 10-12 weeks, and even the winstrol the last 6 weeks. What you need is a solid diet.

Again, he doesn't have to have test. Stop insisting that everything else sucks beside test.
 
tri~zillla said:
eq sucks for a first cycle ?

my first was an eq only...and it rocked!!!!
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Agreed! It was one of my beginning cycles as well and I gained well on even just 300mg/week for 8 weeks.

casbarocker try 400-600mg/week for 10-12 weeks and you should definately see some good gains for your first cycle. Make sure your diet and training is in order. No need to even add winny for your first time around. Good luck with it.

BTW - flex2win is also right here.
 
flex2win said:
I think you need to study up more, and the number of abdominal muscles you have is genetic, you won't make a "6" become an "8"...
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if you can countm there are 8. no flame intended.
my first cycle was 6 weeks of winny 50mg on mon , wed, fri
i know the doses were really low, but with diet and cardio it was awesome
 
thanks everyone, i really appreciate all the info
I hope so start my 1st cycle of eq next week
hopefully i will have a good update to post :)
 
Personally I think running test, even if its only a small dose, with any cycle makes a great difference. This comes from personal experience.
 
I agree on a little test, if only QV test ( Eth ), 250 to 500mg a week
with a light first round of your EQ, and you will surely get the gains
you are asking for. You may even surprise yourself ;)

Good Luck.
 
no1special, n1tro your both idiots according to Clean:
nucman is an idiot, you don't need test bro. just like mike and tri~zilla said, EQ rocks.
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Boldenone does rock, but I am a believer that all cycles should include at least a little test. Especially with a more anabolic than androgenic aas like bold. Test fills the androgenic component, so to speak.
 
tri~zillla said:
eq sucks for a first cycle ?

my first was an eq only...and it rocked!!!!
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I agree as well ... good gains on eq only (for my first cycle)
ran it at 400mg/wk with a small amount of dianobol to further help
protein synthesis (10-15mg/day)... Kept all the results and haven't
been on gear for a while... Next cycle is starting real soon...
 
I was curious as to if a just winstrol cycle would help someone who was overweight at 280 Pounds lost weight and if so how much. Obviously with a good diet. etc?

Thanks!!
 
you are not dumb thats not the reason people laught at your post. i think EVERYONE of us remeber the time we were newbies and ask stupid questions (sorry bro), but back then there wasent. i think i use to belive that ALL the gains from steroids was pure muscle. i use to belive that water retention from steroids was in fact muscle, i didnt know that a high proteinintake is escensial for building muscle when taking steroids. So it may sound a little funny about you goals with this cycle you are planing to do. pure muscle gain of 15 lbs and be extremly ripped, man thats like a dream to come true. unless you are a genetic freak this may be very dificult to achive even with steroids. i think that you can gain muscle while being ripped and achive your "8-pack" but dont expekt that the muscle gains is gonna be as high as 15 lbs. one more thing, the key to muscle gain and lossing fat is not the drug is the diet.

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casbarocker said:
I am a newbiee

I am a male mid 20's 180 pounds.
I have been working out seriouse for 1.5 years now 4 days a week.

I want to gain 10 to 15 pounds of lean muscle, and want to be extremely ripped. I have a 6 pac now and am hoping for an 8 pac.

Some people I know suggested winstrol or boldenone undecylenate. I was hoping someone could give me info, suggestions to help me out on wich to choose.
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Casbarocker, good to see you here asking questions. There are some very helpful bro's here and they can point you in the right direction. Consider this: Before you start your first cycle have bloodwork done to determine your baseline values. Check out this thread http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=334230
This will also help determine how effective your pct is. Which brings us to pct, do you have a plan? If not you need to. Check out the pct forum. Injections, do you know the proper way to inject? and what pins to use? If not www.spotinjections.com can give you some tips. I would start with a single AAS for a first cycle to see how your body responds. Don't go crazy on your first cycle. Do a little research decide what you want to run with pct and post it up. You will get valuable feedback which will help you get it right. Then you will be ready. Make sure your nutrition is on and train hard.
 
I love both drugs, but eq is more suited for a beginer who has patience. You will see absolutely nothing the first month you are on it. Run it for 12 weeks or so at 400 mg a week.
 
what do you guys think of frontloading eq? or maybe using eq base or eq prop to get the levels up faster?
 
Judo Tom said:
what do you guys think of frontloading eq? or maybe using eq base or eq prop to get the levels up faster?
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Not sure if frontloading eq is that effective. Personally for a newbe, I would run something like this for an eq cycle:

wk 1-6 dbol 20 mg a day
wk1-12 eq 400 mg a week

Since dbol and eq are the same drug (dbol just has a much longer halflife in the bloodstream due to the 17-aa molecule).
 
BodyByFinaplix said:
Not sure if frontloading eq is that effective. Personally for a newbe, I would run something like this for an eq cycle:

wk 1-6 dbol 20 mg a day
wk1-12 eq 400 mg a week

Since dbol and eq are the same drug (dbol just has a much longer halflife in the bloodstream due to the 17-aa molecule).
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Dbol has a longer halflife than eq??? :confused:
 
yomama said:
Dbol has a longer halflife than eq??? :confused:
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Ok, I'll keep this in layman's terms:

Eq is released into the blood stream much slower than dbol, due to being an IM injection with a long chain ester.

Dbol obviously is absorbed into the bloodstream a LOT faster due to being an oral, but once it reaches the bloodstream, the individual molecules have a halflife in the bloodstream that is over 10 times as long as that of eq. This is the reason, dbol (a reduced testosterone with less binding affinity to the AR than test) actaully seems to be more anabolic per mg than test. It stays in the blood stream longer and has more time to bind to an AR.

This is also the reason for the pronounced estragenic effect. Dbol and boldenone and are same compound if the ester and 17-aa molecule is removed from each, thus are acted upon by the aromatase enzyme in the same manner. Both are substraits for the enzyme at roughly 42% of the rate that testosterone is, thus produce less than half the estragen that testorone does per mg. However the estragen created by the dbol has the 17-aa molecule still attached, and has the same half-life advantage, and has more time to bind to an ER than estragen without this side chain. Thus a more estragen effect is created.

Understand?
 
You must spread some Karma around before giving it to BodyByFinaplix again.

wow that is a nice idea.. i like that a whole bunch..

but i might add some test in there just to keep test in my sytem maybe something like 200mg a wk

BodyByFinaplix said:
Not sure if frontloading eq is that effective. Personally for a newbe, I would run something like this for an eq cycle:

wk 1-6 dbol 20 mg a day
wk1-12 eq 400 mg a week

Since dbol and eq are the same drug (dbol just has a much longer halflife in the bloodstream due to the 17-aa molecule).
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If I where you I'd do Test, EQ and Winny how about that!!! And I know it's alot. BUT I think evryone will agree you grow the best your first cycle, so why just Creep in, if your going to come to the dark side, F'ing GO.

Test Eth 500mg 1-10
EQ 400mg 1-10
Winny 50mg ED 6-10
 
Briweve1 said:
If I where you I'd do Test, EQ and Winny how about that!!! And I know it's alot. BUT I think evryone will agree you grow the best your first cycle, so why just Creep in, if your going to come to the dark side, F'ing GO.

Test Eth 500mg 1-10
EQ 400mg 1-10
Winny 50mg ED 6-10
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Too much gear. If someone wanted to do test/eq/winstrol for their first I would do this

wks 1-10 test ena/cyp 200 mg every week
wks 1-10 eq 200 mg every week
wks 1-12 winstrol 20-30 mg orally every day
 
BodyByFinaplix said:
Too much gear. If someone wanted to do test/eq/winstrol for their first I would do this

wks 1-10 test ena/cyp 200 mg every week
wks 1-10 eq 200 mg every week
wks 1-12 winstrol 20-30 mg orally every day
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That looks good to me, bro!!
 
Both are kickass for endurance workouts.
EQ gains will take longer and last longer (Veins pop out more during workouts).
Winstrol gains won't be as noticeable in mass, but you will be happy with the shredded look if your diet is good. Gains won't last as long as EQ's either.
I recommend both, just at different times of course - see how you respond.
Maybe start with EQ and finish with Winstrol.
You'll never know until you try both, which one you like better.
 
eq is fine but your natural test is going to be suppressed and it is essential for muscle growhth. i advise you to at least run a low dose of test with the eq or 250iu's of hcg weekly to keep you t levels up
 
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