I wouldn't expect any size per se. I'd expect hardening and shredding, maybe lean lean gains, definitely mirror-wise, but not so much tape measure-wise, if that makes sense
Hes saying there are ones for water loss, ones for recomp ones for cutting and ones for bulking....if you are looking to bulk you have listed the wrong ones.
Mast Winny, I find just let you keep what you have better while cutting, they're sure not gonna bulk you, that's what drol is for. You will notice "gains" with Winny/mast, but they're more in the mirror, because 200 shredded looks bigger/better than 210 bloofy.
to put it simple it is my opinion that winny is one of the shittiest, most worthless steroids used for muscle building...... if for on stage use maybe.
neither is good for big muscle gains, both are poor choices if that is your object but winny will put more muscle on you then mast.Mast will no muscle at all. its a pure hardner