winny tab vs inject

[VictorBR]

with victor on this one although I would much rather take the slightly less effective oral any day...

>> Me too , if I can avoid injections I will , much easier to swallow a damn tab . And bro , you can make it just as EFFECTIVE if you go a BIT higher on the dose .

Say if you are used to take 50 mg injectable daily , go for 60 mg or 70 mg oral , this way results will be the same


Victor

 

[VictorBR]

mg for mg winstrol injected would give you more of an effect. If you drink it use 1 1/2 - 2 times more winstrol.

>>> Something like that . But I am sure you don't need to DOUBLE de dose to see the same results , more like add something between 25 % - 40 % more .

So , 50 mg injectable = 60-70 mg oral .


Victor

 

[stressman13]

I was referring to the localized growth statement when I said that was wrong. I'm not doubting that the injectable is slightly more efficient then the oral. Fair enough. Ive injected winny and prop in mainly my quads and delts for cycles and never noticed them any bigger then when I injected in other spots. The notion that the liquid injected in the muscle can stretch the muscle fascia, perhaps but that would be more dependant on amount of liquid injected and frequency wouldn't it? Perhaps I was a bit condescending with my reply. I wasnt trying to come off like that. I simply disagree with the statement about the juice hitting the muscle you injected in faster then the others. You would see dudes running around with monster glutes if thats where they injected, wouldn't you? If macro came on here and said other wise with some decently scientific facts supporting this I would probably give localized injections another try.

 

[stressman13]

I was referring to the localized growth statement when I said that was wrong. I'm not doubting that the injectable is slightly more efficient then the oral. Fair enough. Ive injected winny and prop in mainly my quads and delts for cycles and never noticed them any bigger then when I injected in other spots. The notion that the liquid injected in the muscle can stretch the muscle fascia, perhaps but that would be more dependant on amount of liquid injected and frequency wouldn't it? Perhaps I was a bit condescending with my reply. I wasnt trying to come off like that. I simply disagree with the statement about the juice hitting the muscle you injected in faster then the others. You would see dudes running around with monster glutes if thats where they injected, wouldn't you? If macro came on here and said other wise with some decently scientific facts supporting this I would probably give localized injections another try.

 

[VictorBR]

I was referring to the localized growth statement when I said that was wrong. I'm not doubting that the injectable is slightly more efficient then the oral. Fair enough. Ive injected winny and prop in mainly my quads and delts for cycles and never noticed them any bigger then when I injected in other spots. The notion that the liquid injected in the muscle can stretch the muscle fascia, perhaps but that would be more dependant on amount of liquid injected and frequency wouldn't it? Perhaps I was a bit condescending with my reply. I wasnt trying to come off like that. I simply disagree with the statement about the juice hitting the muscle you injected in faster then the others. You would see dudes running around with monster glutes if thats where they injected, wouldn't you? If macro came on here and said other wise with some decently scientific facts supporting this I would probably give localized injections another try.

>>>>> but you said wrong and wrong . I understood that you ALSO called the " oral more effective than injectable " statement WRONG . Am I right ? Now , you are saying that it is not WRONG . I am confused .

" have injected winny and drank/swallowed it. No detectable difference "

>>> It sounds to me that you are trying to prove me wrong about oral less effective than injectable . And worse you are trying to prove me wrong based on your personall experience when everybody knows that orals are in FACT less effective .

NOW , About the localized muscle growth , like I said , macro and nobody else will be able to come with scientific proof because it doesn't exist ( I think so )

So , if there is no scientific proof indeed , it is not a FACT , it is just a MYTH or just a THEORIE . You can choose to believe it or not .

My shoulders were noticably bigger when I was injecting 100 mg ZAMBON winstrolls EOD . I injected in my shoulders for 10 weeks . It made my shoulders bigger , fuller and more vascular than they have ever been .

So , from my personall experience I do believe in the theorie , but I am not putting it like a FACT simply because there is no scientific proof .

Victor

 

[gautho]

" It hasn't been scientificly proven that localized growth however in theory it should work for three reasons:

1) It has been proven that the stretch of the fascia in the muscle creates additional space for new muscle to be developed. This is why muscle memory exists , and it is always harder to gain muscle size you have never had compared to gaining muscle size you have had before. The stretch of the fascia takes time and requires hard training to encourage where as if the fascia is already stretched the time required to add muscle in that space is much less.

Based on this the belief is localized injections will cause a stretch of the fascia... which explains why synthol works.

2) Fast acting AS such as prop and winstrol are believed to be acting immediately in the muscle of which it was injected. Because of this behavior the muscle of which you inject in should have an additional benifit of this fast acting steroid.

3) Everyone who has injected locally has confirmed tremendous muscle pumps. It has been proven that the bigger the pump the more blood ( carrying nutrients ) will fill the muscle. Therefore , the belief is that more blood in the muscle leads to faster recovery and eventually more growth. Hence , the bigger pumps help increase the amount of growth for the injected muscle.


Based on this I would say localized growth does exist. "


source : http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-93768.html

Like I said , it is a myth and there is no scientific proof . So you can choose to believe it or not .


Victor

Well, i should have the biggest set of glutes in the world based on this theory.

 

[VictorBR]

Well, i should have the biggest set of glutes in the world based on this theory.

>> your glutes would probably still be smaller than Jay Cutler's glutes .


Victor

 

[Extra_Strong]

bullshit!! oral and inject same. the amount used by the body is just different.

" It has been proven that the bigger the pump the more blood ( carrying nutrients ) will fill the muscle"

 

[VictorBR]

bullshit!! oral and inject same. the amount used by the body is just different.

" It has been proven that the bigger the pump the more blood ( carrying nutrients ) will fill the muscle"

>> Of course it is the same , the only thing DIFFERENT IS THE BODY'S ABSORPTION which is HIGHER with the injectable and that is why you need MORE ORAL to have the SAME RESULTS .

Victor

 

[stressman13]

>>>>> but you said wrong and wrong . I understood that you ALSO called the " oral more effective than injectable " statement WRONG . Am I right ? Now , you are saying that it is not WRONG . I am confused .

" have injected winny and drank/swallowed it. No detectable difference "

>>> It sounds to me that you are trying to prove me wrong about oral less effective than injectable . And worse you are trying to prove me wrong based on your personall experience when everybody knows that orals are in FACT less effective .

NOW , About the localized muscle growth , like I said , macro and nobody else will be able to come with scientific proof because it doesn't exist ( I think so )

So , if there is no scientific proof indeed , it is not a FACT , it is just a MYTH or just a THEORIE . You can choose to believe it or not .

My shoulders were noticably bigger when I was injecting 100 mg ZAMBON winstrolls EOD . I injected in my shoulders for 10 weeks . It made my shoulders bigger , fuller and more vascular than they have ever been .

So , from my personall experience I do believe in the theorie , but I am not putting it like a FACT simply because there is no scientific proof .

Victor

Localized growth is defintely wrong bro. Sorry to bust your bubble. Im not going to post a much of links to studies either. I have tried it, no difference. Dudes would be walking around with masive glutes then and smaller everything else. And honestly, i did not notice a difference between the injectable or oral winny. Im not looking to win an internet debate here. Seriously. And if your injecting 100mg of zambon winny then your shoulders should be very vascular. But more noticibly vascular then if you drank the zambons? Thats the real question.