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looking to run 25mg ed winny w/ ECA to cut. anyone have any experience with the effectiveness of a winny only cycle? hoping to maintain all my muscle. currently about 14%bf trying to get to 10%.

also i was thinking of adding clen instead of ECA, but i dont think it will help much and ECA is cheap.

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Minimum of 50mgs ed at least. 25mgsx7=175mgs total gear a week . This seems like just enough to shut down, but not do much positive. 350mgs would be much better.
 
ran a 6 week winny/clen cycle:

50mg ed: wks 1-4
100mg ed: wk 5
150mg ed: wk 6

I personally don't respond to low doses of winny and didn't see much results until i raised the dosage to 100mg and the hardness came even more around week 6 at 150mg.

overall i was not that excited about results, but I got to see how i responded to it. I have used it in another 6 week cutting cycle and it worked really well.
 
I wouldn't switch to clen - ECA is better .. I think Big Cat said add Y at the last two to three weeks.

Winny would be a very good androgen to cut with. Also try Masteron or Proviron - with proviron you could just run low dose test and cut even better.
 
winny isnt gonna get u cut u need to diet and do cardio as well at 14% bf u won't see much of its muscle hardening effects.
 
i have done winstrol depot only before, 50mg ED for 6 weeks. it was one of the best cycles i have done! hard muscles, great strengh, and a couples of pounds of LBM.
 
what kind of calories would you recommend? Im trying to be about 1200-1300/day w/ 100-150 grams of protein. i may try the ketogenic thing

also, im 180lbs now 6'0".

thanks
 
From experience, DO NOT USE WINNY BY ITSELF WITHOUT SOMETHING OIL BASED ....I am assuming you were are like I used to be, afraid of needles.....it took me some time to get over that, but I understand if that is the case....but trust me here, I did winny by itself for my first cycle (at age 25)... unbelievable results at 50mgs... but I should have listened to my peers and people from this very board, but didn't.....

by itself, especially with an ECA, will absolutely KILL your joints...by the end of my 8 week cycle of winny and xenadrine, my shoulders were like bone rubbing against bone...I just turned 30 and have been having joint problems ever since....they haven't been as bad since I gave in and did Deca a couple of years ago, but before that they were pretty bad.....

I have done var by itself on a few occasions and did not have any added problems in regards to joint pain, so that is an alternative, but much more expensive....I would recommend 20 mg(honestly enough if you are a rookie) - 40 mg of var (seperated in equal doses throughout the day) with a good creatine product, a good diet high in protien and a consistent workout schedule and sleep schedule to anyone ANYDAY over a winny only cycle....

just wanted to voice my opinion, because I should have listened to others when I asked this same question years ago...
 
IJ26 said:
winny isnt gonna get u cut u need to diet and do cardio as well at 14% bf u won't see much of its muscle hardening effects.
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cardio is not a must. you need to put together a good diet.
 
i do get joints problems but its nothing MSN and glukosamine can take care off. i use both of them and the pain disepere, i like winstrol depot so much because i can eat large amounts of food ( of course "lean" food) without gaining fat! I loose fat instead. with diet in check (enough food) and good hard training you can expekt 5 kg of LBM.
 
I didn't have any other sides from it at the time (except accelerated hair growth, wanting to f-ck all the time, a few long hairs in weird places, and a few big zits occasionally) .....if you are prone to hairloss it is supposedly hard on the hairline....I just started thinning some in the front over the past year, who knows if the winny had anything to do with speeding that up or not....IT DOES SHUT YOU DOWN, MAKE SURE TO HAVE CLOMID POST THERAPY...shit like tribulus or 6-oxo isn't enough...otherwise the gains you do get will go away quick....

Honestly, you may be able to get away with 1 cycle of winny by itself for 6-8 weeks, just be careful because you will get strong as an ox....don't overdo yourself and go from benching 200 lbs to benching 275 lbs in 3-4 weeks....because there is a chance your strength will increase that much in if it is good winny and your receptors are totally fresh....I got that strong my first cycle of winny only, honestly.....take your time and do solid, perfect reps...and move up weights gradually because I know that doing winny dries you up and going from moderate to big weights quick is a sure way to put extra added stress on joints and tendons...

but if you are afraid of needles, I'm telling you.....only do this winny only cycle once if you must (and AGAIN make sure you have clomid for post therapy).....

you should be fine with one cycle only of winny, but I guarantee it is going to change you and you are going to want to do another cycle....make sure that next cycle isn't winny only again....you will regret it....if you can't see yourself playing butt darts in the future, or having somebody do it for you, don't get into the game....

MSN and glucosamine helps, but becomes a chore having to take them all the time...it is a short term fix and costs money and can make you contispated..etc etc.....
 
MSN and gluko does help but the best thing you can do to avoid joints problems is runnning it with deca. or better with NPP.
 
twistedneck said:
I wouldn't switch to clen - ECA is better .. I think Big Cat said add Y at the last two to three weeks.

Winny would be a very good androgen to cut with. Also try Masteron or Proviron - with proviron you could just run low dose test and cut even better.
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Is proviron on its own good for cutting?! I didn't think so...
 
25mg you won't even notice; use 100mg/day... works well; you should get down to 10% naturally though, then throw in some winny and go to 7%

joint problems, I got them when I first started using winny, I started taking glucosamine at 2g a day and the joint pain went away quickly; though I stopped taking the glucosamine and continued using winny and they didn't come back... soo....... *shrug*
 
shouldnt use winny alone, shouldnt use it if you arent lready somewhat lean which you arent, and you needd more than 25mg ed even when stacked..peace
 
"IT DOES SHUT YOU DOWN, MAKE SURE TO HAVE CLOMID POST THERAPY...shit like tribulus or 6-oxo isn't enough...otherwise the gains you do get will go away quick...."

Newbie here - I thought Winny is pretty mild on the system compared to test or dbol, and does not require clomid post cycle. Can someone confirm?
 
Alteration of hormone levels in normal males given the anabolic steroid stanozolol.

Small M, Beastall GH, Semple CG, Cowan RA, Forbes CD.

Anabolic steroids have widespread metabolic effects but, to date, their proven clinical indications have been limited. Recently the 17 alpha-alkylated steroid, stanozolol, has been shown to be of value in a variety of commonly occurring vascular diseases. Its endocrine effects have received little attention and we have investigated the effect of administering a 14 d course of stanozolol (10 mg orally per day) on a variety of important hormonal pathways in nine healthy male subjects. Significant changes occurred as follows: a 55% reduction in serum testosterone levels was noted and was accompanied by reductions in 'derived' free testosterone, sex hormone binding globulin and LH levels; total T4 and T3 levels fell in association with a decrease in thyroxine binding globulin, but no alteration was detected in TSH or free T4 levels. Changes in vitamin D status, with falls in 25-hydroxycholecalciferol and vitamin D binding globulin were also observed. These effects were reversible on stopping treatment. Stanozolol therapy therefore leads to a number of hormonal changes, probably by an action at both pituitary and hepatic levels.
 
jnycash said:
"IT DOES SHUT YOU DOWN, MAKE SURE TO HAVE CLOMID POST THERAPY...shit like tribulus or 6-oxo isn't enough...otherwise the gains you do get will go away quick...."

Newbie here - I thought Winny is pretty mild on the system compared to test or dbol, and does not require clomid post cycle. Can someone confirm?
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winny is not very mild at all. Hard on the liver, fucks with cholesterol bad, hard on joints, definetly need pct !
 
I actually made the same assumption a couple years back thinking Winny is a mild steroid used for cutting and hardening of the muscles. I've noticed my joints "rack" easier now since I used winstrol. I'm going to be using it again this summer with test and tren because my body reacted very well to it. Gave me crazy vascularity. I was harder and had more veins bulging when on Winstrol than ever before...it was almost too much, wait a second you can never bee to vascular...:D
 
i know many people say that winny is hard for joints but i found this from big cat article he says its supposed to be good for joinst!

"with regards to safety, why I chose to include stanozolol and not a more potent bulk-up agent as the oral component of this cycle, is because of its effects on tendons. It has long been a concern that steroid usage causes tendon damage. Directly it doesn’t of course, but as muscle size increases and strength increases, so does pressure on tendons. And since the tendons do not have a large degree of vascularity they cannot adapt as quickly as the muscle. Repeated strain causes microtraumata, and when enough microtraumata have built up, eventually the tendon will rupture. Stanozolol however, has been found to increase collagen synthesis (16) where testosterone did not. Collagen is a key component in fibrous tissue such as cartilage and tendons, and may therefore offer us the bonus effect of maintaining tendon health or even repairing damage of microtrauma, and keep our cartilage healthy so we can resist the pressure on our joints."
 
It appears the ones asking the questions about winny only are guys like me who used to be afraid of needles...

what Daddyx and many others said is right....winny is hard on the body...maybe NOT as hard on the body as a test or dbol because some of the sides associated with them, but it shuts your ass down like anything else....I know from my experience and the experience of 3 other guys I used to lift with who I am still friends with that used winny by itself for our first cycle....guess what, butt darts became part of our normal routine not too long after that winny only cycle...I started off driving 30 minutes one way to play a game of grab ass twice a week because I couldn't do it myself, but you know what I grew some ballz and knew to play the game I had to suck it up...and that means budgeting not only for what I am doing for that 8-12 weeks, but budgeting in what I am going to do for the weeks following as well....if you don't do it right, then you are going to pay for it in the end....I learned from my own mistakes and should have listened to my older, more experienced peers...anyway,

I don't know what this Big Cat article is talking about???!!!...good for joints....maybe when stacked with an oil...
 
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