Why Use all these high doses?

[sugashane]

People always want to get big quick, and they think more is better. Yes, you'll need more the further you go, but to begin with, I don't see why people go over 300 mg.

Get diet and training in line, and you'll grow off of it, and will be much easier to judhe how it affects the body. Its bullshit for people to use more gear to compensate for a weak training regimen or lack of a good diet. If you question either you have NO business using gear.

An easy example. A guy who trained with me Paul does great with doses of 300-500 mg EW. After 500 or so, he gets little if any more gains than at 500, but sides increase much more quickly. He can't take more than 30 mgs ED of Dianabol without the sides.

Now what would have happened if he started off at 750-1000 mg of test? He'd likely fuck himself up and might not know that you aren't supposed to feel like that. Start slow, don't rush into higher doses.

 

[shoestring2]

250-350 t is a good place to start imo

 

[LiquidPhire]

first off if you are running a ug or vet test you are goin to need a gram whereas if you had human grade you would only need 500mg. people usually have huge doses to make up for a lack of good diet and training. they think it will give them the build they want, but you can run 2grams of test a week with no results if you don't eat right. deca is the same, guys ramp it to 600mg ew because they don't eat enough and a calorie dependant steroid like deca requires food. once again if its ug deca it will not work well under 400-600, whereas human grade will kick ass at 200mg ew. this is all coming from experience. steroids allow you to train longer and harder and you need to pack in the food to make the mass and eat clean if you want to be lean. if you r an ecto and just bulking then by all means eat the whole kitchen. usually its to make up for other lacking areas. some guys who compete and have been using for over a decade i have no problem with running absurd doses. it is needed at certain points to attain a new level. but not to get to 200 lbs from 170. lol what is with all these newbs on here posting 170 lbs at 15% bf. learn to eat then maybe gear.

also 250mg ew is not going to do much for you. if you are a normal male its barely over what you are producing. that is a great dose if you are stacking eq with it so you have a good base of test. but alone 400-500mg is ideal. i find that 400mg ew of human test is perfect.

Bruce where ya been man?? hope all is good haven't seen ya around for awhile!

 

[Bruce]

The avg. male produces between 6 to 10 mg/day and 42 to 70 mg of testosterone per week. 250 mg/wk is between 3 to 6 times that amount. Its plenty to add significant muscle with proper diet and training.

its not that simple bro.many guys produce more than that and furthermore your natty test is not an ester nor does your facts show free test levels. go ahead waste your time with 250mg ew. youve been here how long? if i am running pct after a cycle i'm going to make it worth it, not a maintenence dose of test

 

[perryscoon]

I don't think more than 500mg EW is needed. I've tried up to a gram a week and the results were the same. 250mg EW just seems to close to an HRT dose to me.

 

[chefbone]

The Law of Diminsihing Returns.

 

[sensational]

Who here has actually used high doses for a full cycle?

I would elaborate on my previous use, but it is probably not the best advice.

 

[wootoom]

250-500 i would say also..depending on the drug obviously

 

[Powerbuilder333]

Because high doses work!

< Last November. 6'6" 315 lbs. 45 years old. 694 lb competition deadlift!

 

[HAYEZ]

Who here has actually used high doses for a full cycle?

I would elaborate on my previous use, but it is probably not the best advice.

id be surprised if most that give advice have never even used steroids....if they did they wouldnt be talking about 250mg ew as a cycle