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Why Pre-Workout Stretching is BAD!!!

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So, I've always advocated a short warmup activity (riding bike, jogging, walking, jumping, etc.) depending on the activity you're about to perform. I've always considered it bad to stretch a cold muscle. Think about taking a rubber band out of the freezer (after it's been in say an hour) and immediately stretching it. What is likely to happen is...SNAP! Now I know that's a rather drastic analogy, but it demonstrates a point.

Here is an article I found while perusing a site (www.fitnessparadiseworld.com) that talks about this. It's not that long and it's a good read.

If you're extremely lazy and don't like to read or don't read well, you can read the bold part and skip the study info...but definitely check out the site in the link!!! You'll be very glad you did! :D

from: http://fitnessparadiseworld.com/index.php?module=Page&action=content&param=2_2

Even though about 65 per cent of all runners will be injured during 1994 and the average runner misses from 5-10 per cent of scheduled workouts each year because of injuries, many runners feel they know how to keep their own risk of injury at a minimum. The solution, they say, is to stretch before workouts. In one respect, pre-workout stretching is a logical thing to do. After all, overly tight muscles and tendons probably are more susceptible to little tears and strains during exercise, compared to relaxed, flexible sinews and connective tissues. And studies have shown that pre-workout stretches can improve flexibility in the hamstrings and is especially effective at unkinking tautness in the lower back. But can stretching really reduce injury rates?

Not according to David A. Lally, Ph.D., an exercise physiologist at the University of Hawaii-Manoa. Lally has just completed a careful study of 1543 individuals who participated in the Honolulu Marathon, and his investigations actually link pre-workout stretching with a higher risk of injury.

When Lally analyzed the training habits of the marathon runners, he uncovered some of the usual relationships between training and injuries. For example, high-mileage runners and individuals who conducted unusually long individual workouts tended to have significantly higher rates of injury, compared to low-mileage people. To count as an actual injury, a physical problem had to prevent usual training for at least five days.

But Lally's key finding - that stretching was associated with more injuries - was a shocker. After all, many runners believe that stretching has a protective effect, and a prior study carried out by Dutch researchers had indicated that although stretching might not lower injury frequency, it wouldn't lead to greater muscle mayhem, either.

White males get hurt

In Lally's survey, 47 per cent of all male runners who stretched regularly were injured during a one-year period, while only 33 per cent of male runners who didn't stretch were hurt, a statistically significant difference. However, this link between stretching and injury didn't apply to female marathoners; female stretchers had the same rate of injury as female non-stretchers. The relationship also didn't apply to Oriental runners of either sex (a large number of Japanese runners compete in the Honolulu Marathon each year). Only in white male marathoners was there a connection between stretching and injury.

An adept researcher, Lally was able to control for the possibility that those individuals who had been injured before his study began had taken up stretching as a prophylactic measure, a linkage which would have strongly biased his results. After all, the strongest predictor of a future running injury is a past injury. Thus, including runners who had taken up stretching after a prior injury would automatically make stretching look bad. When Lally threw the males with previous injuries out of his study, things still were bad for the stretchers, who had a 33-per cent greater risk of injury, compared to non-stretching runners. The stretched runners did not run more miles than the non-stretched individuals, so higher mileage was not a possible explanation for the stretching & injury phenomenon.

'I don't know why stretching is associated with a higher risk of injury,or why the relationship is only true for white males,' said Lally in a recent interview with PEAK PERFORMANCE. 'But there's certainly no a priori reason why stretching should limit injury risk. After all, most running injuries are caused by overuse, and stretching your muscles before workouts is not going to prevent you overusing them.'

One weakness in the Lally study is that there was no control of the actual stretching process. As a result, white males may have carried out larger amounts of ballistic stretching or might have overstretched their muscles - lengthening them well beyond their normal range of motion, a process which could have increased the risk of injury. However, there's little evidence that this is what actually happened.

Could the timing make a difference? Lally's analysis did yield one fascinating bit of information. Those marathoners who stretched before training sessions had higher rates of injuries, compared to runners who didn't stretch. However, athletes who stretched after their workouts actually had lower frequencies of injuries.

When you think about the role that stretching should play, this latter finding makes good sense. Although it's popular to include stretching before the beginning of a workout, there's actually very little resemblance between the act of stretching out a muscle and the rapid shortenings (contractions) which muscles undergo during a workout. In other words, stretching doesn't represent specific preparation for a real-life training session. In a stretch, a muscle is elongated and then held in a static position; in a workout, a muscle shortens repeatedly.

On the other hand, muscles are often fairly tight - and in some cases are even close to going into a spasm - after a very strenuous workout ends. At that point, stretching is a fine way to transform a hypercontracted muscle into a relaxed collection of fibres which can comfortably adapt to the more passive activities which follow a training session.

So, while stretching is good after a workout, it probably makes sense to carry out some more specific preparatory activities before one. Walking, jogging slowly, and completing the hops, skips, vertical jumps, and 'duck walks' described in the recent Sports Injury issue of PEAK PERFORMANCE will in most cases prepare you for a workout more effectively than sitting on your rump and trying to lengthen your hamstrings by a fraction of an inch or so (see the article 'Staying Strong Between Your Knees and Feet,' on page S of that issue). Such specific activities 'wake up' your cardiovascular, muscular and nervous systems so that you're fully ready to train intensely. If you carry out the specific activities regularly, you'll be surprised at the improved quality of both your workouts and your competitive efforts.

Check out this and other great articles at:

http://fitnessparadiseworld.com/index.php?module=Page&action=show&param=1
 
What about stretching during the work-out when your muscles are warmed up? Ie: in between sets.

As long as you are stretching the muscle AFTER you have completely worked it. So, you do all your work sets for chest, then you go stretch the hell out of your chest, then you go work shoulders or triceps or whatever. That is fine...but not in between sets of the same exercise. At least not a static stretch.

If you do a couple warmup sets (of let's say chest), then before your big set(s), you do the Michael Phelps arm-swinging thing...I think that's fine, lol. Basically something like that would be a very mild dynamic stretch. Hope you follow me!
 
Yeah I understand. What about when I'm doing my chest warm up and my muscles feel a bit tight. Do a dynamic stretch before my working set?
 
Yeah I understand. What about when I'm doing my chest warm up and my muscles feel a bit tight. Do a dynamic stretch before my working set?

Yeah, like I said in my previous answer, I think a very light, mild dynamic stretch (remember how Michael Phelps would flap his arms around?) it would be ok.

Something similar to the Phelps thing, but not quite as wild. So, arms crossed in front of you, swing them back so that your scapulae (shoulder blades) push towards each other, then swing them back to crossed in front. Doing that a few times puts a pretty mild stretch on the pecs. Something like that or similar. If you use a stationary object, like a wall, to help you stretch, you should be careful you don't stretch too much or hold it too long.

Let your warmup sets be your warmup.

What I usually do when I hit the gym is get on the bike for 5 minutes at level 6-7 and keep a pace of about 80RPM. It's fairly easy, but gets the heart rate up enough to get blood flowing throughout the body. While I am riding I rotate my shoulders, elbows and wrists about 20 times in each direction.

Then I get to work with my warmup sets, but I don't overdo them. Warmups shouldn't be taxing like the work set(s). Say chest for example, I would do 135x10-12; 225x8; 275x4-6; 315x2; then workset(s) of 355x9x4x2.

If I were doing shoulders next I would do maybe two warmup sets. These would likely be the last two sets before the workset. Say shoulder press: 185x8; 225x4; then workset of 275x10x5x3.

If I were doing triceps next, I would likely not warmup at all and just go to the workset...depending on the exercise (if it were close grip bench - no warmup, skullcrushers - maybe one quick wamrup).

The reason for this should be fairly obvious, but just in case...when you do bench, you're also using shoulders and triceps in the exercise. Shoulder press uses triceps too. So, when I get to triceps, they've already had plenty of work, so no need to keep doing warmups.
 
I was still pitching in baseball, we would run, then do a bunch of dynamic stretching excercises like arm circles, and all sorts of other things to get the muscle warm and loose. I always did LIGHT direct stretching AFTER the muscle was warm and pliable.

If we were ever seen strching our shoulders before running, and doing all of our warm-up excercises, would get get chewed out big time because it increases injury risk 10 fold.

I still incorporate the same warm-up method in lifting, but modified for weight lifting.

Always get warm and loose before doing any direct stretching. For weight lifting, you don't want to do any direct stretching until you are finished lifting. Stretching a lot while lifting will decrease your lift potentials.
 
I was still pitching in baseball, we would run, then do a bunch of dynamic stretching excercises like arm circles, and all sorts of other things to get the muscle warm and loose. I always did LIGHT direct stretching AFTER the muscle was warm and pliable.

If we were ever seen strching our shoulders before running, and doing all of our warm-up excercises, would get get chewed out big time because it increases injury risk 10 fold.

I still incorporate the same warm-up method in lifting, but modified for weight lifting.

Always get warm and loose before doing any direct stretching. For weight lifting, you don't want to do any direct stretching until you are finished lifting. Stretching a lot while lifting will decrease your lift potentials.

They started doing this int he army before I got out. We always used to stretch before pt in the morning, but the last few years I was in they changed it. No stretching before pt only after.
 
usually you warm up then stretch then do your main workout then cooldown. it helped me be injury free for 2 years in XC(not sure if it was the actual reason, but i like to think so). a msucle with blood flow is more elastic thus giving more stretch.
 
I'm glad you posted this up ceo! I never feel I've done much good when stretching before a workout but when I've stretched afterward I always feel the muscles get more benefit. I believe what this study is saying is true but always find it interesting to cross-examine the study. For instance, out of all the people that stretched vs people that didn't stretch before excercising it's important to know exactly WHY most of the people that decided to stretch before did so. I would venture to guess that a large portion of these people that stretch before excercising either had pre-existing ailments or are people that are less flexible than the general population. So the people that are stretching before a MORE likely to be injured during excercise NOT b/c they stretched before but b/c they are more pre-dispositioned to be injured.
 
The best stretch is dynamic warm-ups... Do that and your already stretched enough for any workout, you got your blood pumping, and your muscles are loose, though afterwards I do like to do some static stretching, but this is after I've warmed up, I also stretch between sets, but thats mainly because I have a lot of shoulder and back pain
 
Interesting article, and it's not the first time I had heard that. I confess, I was taught to stretch as part of the warmup, but I to get pulls and strains now & then, despite. My father-in-law is a marathon runner, and lifts also (age 76!!). He swears by not stretching until he's warmed up, and he's the type to read everything that gets published on any subject he's interested in. Must be something to this....

What about stretching during the work-out when your muscles are warmed up? Ie: in between sets.

I often do that to prevent spasms/cramps; particularly in biceps after a set of heavy curls.

Charles
 
warmup before. do not stretch.

you are welcome to stretch after though. charles your father is correct. stretching before running is a bad idea.

there are different circumstances though.. for example: if you are gonna play tackle football yeah you need to warm up AND stretch, you are being turned every which way.. bent in every which direction.
 
Yeah - but it doesn't say "why," and the article relates to running injuries, not lifting.

Also, I always stretch in between sets, or at least when it feels I "need" to. Never had one lifting related injury, not one.

I'm not saying it's "wrong," I'm just saying I think it needs more concrete evidence before you can say it's a "rule."

I hate stretching anyway.
 
Let your warmup sets be your warmup.

I agree. I had this conversation with one of the guys at my gym today, though, as he spent 20 minutes stretching and warming up his entire body before squats.

When he does squats he does:
Body Weight x bunch
45 x 6
95 x 6
135 x 6
175 x 6 x 4 sets

When I squatted last week I did:
BW x 5
50 x 3
140 x 2
230 x 1
320 x 1
410 x 1
500 x 1
550 x 5
638.5 x 5
728.5 x 7 (PR)

The difference here is that it only took him 3 sets before he was at his training weight where it took me 9 to get to my training set. He has a much greater need for more non-lifting warm-up than I do.

Same on Deadlifts. Often my work set is my 10-12th set where his work set may be his 4-6th.
 
I always stretch my hips during sets of squats and deadlifts. Most people have tight hips which can lead to poor form or one side working harder than the other. My left hip is tighter than my right so I stretch my left hip to keep it balanced with my left so when I squat or dead both sides are balanced and working equally.
 
I agree. I had this conversation with one of the guys at my gym today, though, as he spent 20 minutes stretching and warming up his entire body before squats.

When he does squats he does:
Body Weight x bunch
45 x 6
95 x 6
135 x 6
175 x 6 x 4 sets

When I squatted last week I did:
BW x 5
50 x 3
140 x 2
230 x 1
320 x 1
410 x 1
500 x 1
550 x 5
638.5 x 5
728.5 x 7 (PR)

The difference here is that it only took him 3 sets before he was at his training weight where it took me 9 to get to my training set. He has a much greater need for more non-lifting warm-up than I do.

Same on Deadlifts. Often my work set is my 10-12th set where his work set may be his 4-6th.

First of all, that is massive weight, congrats on your PR!

A few questions. First, I don't understand what you meant when you said he (the other guy) has a much greater need for more non-lifting warm ups than you do. What do you mean by this? Why? Couldn't his progressions have been as numerous as yours, just not as big of jumps in weight? I'm not arguing, I really am curious what you meant because it wasn't 100% clear in your post. I'd like to learn.

Also - I notice you tac 2.5s to the normal progression of plates on each of your sets. Is there a reason behind that, or just what you have found is a good progression for you? I can only imagine seeing 5 plates on each side and then a 2.5, and you're still doing warm ups! It's scary and silly at the same time!
 
First of all, that is massive weight, congrats on your PR!

A few questions. First, I don't understand what you meant when you said he (the other guy) has a much greater need for more non-lifting warm ups than you do. What do you mean by this? Why? Couldn't his progressions have been as numerous as yours, just not as big of jumps in weight? I'm not arguing, I really am curious what you meant because it wasn't 100% clear in your post. I'd like to learn.

Also - I notice you tac 2.5s to the normal progression of plates on each of your sets. Is there a reason behind that, or just what you have found is a good progression for you? I can only imagine seeing 5 plates on each side and then a 2.5, and you're still doing warm ups! It's scary and silly at the same time!

My training partner (we don't get to train together often) SHOULD do more warm up weights but as beginner it often just doesn't happen. A lot of his lack of strength is technical since he is a beginner (he did front squat 220 x 1 on his 8th work set today). He could do a lot more sets...but most people don't and I don't think he really needs it...especially if he is doing multiple sets with the same weight...as he did in that particular workout. Let's say you wanted to do a high rep training session with more volume and less weight...like my speed bench session today.

Flat Bench:
45 x 3 x 3 sets
add short black bands
2 sets of 3
135 x 3 x 2 sets
205 x 3 x 8 sets, 45 sec rest between sets
(then I added my shirt and boards)

I didn't get A LOT of working warm ups in before I was already at 205 + bands yet too much work on the bench would have had me dead before I got to my first speed set (which they aren't difficult). I did some light stretching, band tricep punch downs, band presses, shoulder dislocates, etc...

Not really saying it's right...just something to consider with beginners or with people not using near as much weight on exercises. Heck...shoulder pressing could be another great example... Tricky muscles often injured yet you don't use tons of weight and you can get to a max weight fast if you are new to doing them.

As far as my weights...my squat bar is a 50 pound bar (extra long and thick) so the numbers are a little different than the norm. My bar before it was 52 pounds...lol.
 
Not sure I can agree with the notion of no stretching prior to lifting.

However, there is a correct procedure which should NEVER start with static stretches. Prior to a work out with cold muscles one should use ballistic and dynamic stretches to warm up muscles. After several minutes of ballistic and/or dynamic stretching one can transition into static stretching.

You NEVER want to do static stretching first. And as others have suggested, if you want to be even safer, a 3-5min warm up on the bike/treadmill/elliptical before starting into ballistic/dynamic and then static stretching is good too.
 
My routine would be something such as :

Leg days - Recumbant bike for 10 minutes slow-med speed and gradually building resistance. At that point the cardiovascular system is awake and ready to go. Muscles are noticably full of blood. Muscles are also warm. Especially legs. At which point I do stretch them. I do this mostly to stretch out my hams and my groin area. If I get into squats or heavy leg press without stretching those areas out they cramp or sometimes charlie horse on me. So for me its a must. I have to keep them stretched out throughout too.

Upper body days - Since I have had tendon issues at the tri/elbow area and still have rotator issues I do 10 minutes of brisk walking on the treadmill at a 2 degree incline to get the cardiovascular system woken up and the mucsles full of blood.
At that point I don't really stretch. I will grab a 5 lb plate in each hand and do arm circles big ones and smaller tight ones (controlled not flailing around) to warm up the shoulders and rotators. I'll do some overhead extensions with these same plates til I feel a slight burn in the tri. Again to hit the elbow area. I might free hang from the chin bar for a few seconds to get the spine straight. But no actual stretching per say.
Then on a chest day i'll do 2 light 25 rep sets on the pec dec and 3 light DB press sets to make sure everything is good and warm and pumped before hitting work sets. After the first heavy work set I stretch. The again in between and after each work set.
 
Great read CEO, however I disagree.

I'll give you an example. In arm wrestling, if you're looking to "hit" i.e. one fast exertion of tendons / muscles to get the other guys ar to the pad, then you generally don't stretch, because stretching and being warm can decrease your reaction time / speed.

However, before an arm wrestling workout / intense gym session, everyone always stretches because there are things like tendons / ligaments and muscles that can get seriously hurt if you don't stretch.

I guess, dependingon what you're doing, it can hinder or help. Most cases however, please stretch...it'll def. save you.
 
I stated in 2 or 3 posts in this very thread that very mild dynamic stretching can be done after a warmup and before the actual work is performed. As for static stretches, I would only do them after I'm done working that muscle or muscle group.

If you want to do static stretches before you lift, go for it bro.
 
I stated in 2 or 3 posts in this very thread that very mild dynamic stretching can be done after a warmup and before the actual work is performed. As for static stretches, I would only do them after I'm done working that muscle or muscle group.

If you want to do static stretches before you lift, go for it bro.

Yeh, makes sense. I'll eliminate static stretching and see how it goes.
 
I have a nagging injury in my groin from pre workout stretching prior to squats. Nothing big and doesnt hinder my lifting but Im conscious of it because I dont want it to get worse. Took 2 weeks out of the gym due to sickness and it still hasnt gone away...

I pulled it doing some "cossack squats" which Ive seen on videos from joe defranco and diesel crew. I heard they were great for loosening up the hips prior to squatting and pulling but def pulled something in my groin. I didnt feel anything go snap or pop it just feels like Iv slightly irritated or pulled a muscle, it only hurts on my first few sets of squats as Im getting warmed up.

Not sure what to do...

any ideas ceo? maybe I should just leave it since its not really major or impacting on my lifting...

I've just fucked my progress with injuries so many times before I dont want it to happen again.
 
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