Why Mideast Peace is a fantasy that will never materialize:

[Nikola Teslasterone]

Ok I understand you now. Jews are better people than Arabs because they are more successful in medicine politics and law. By that standard, they are better people than all non-Jewish Americans, because percentagfe wise, they outnumber them as well in those professions. So you are basically a Jewish supremacist in my humble evaluation, and that explains your willingness to put Israel's interests above anyone elses. And your last paragraph supports my statement that the US has supported Israel from day one, remember, you said that we didnt support them until the late sixties. In closing, I shall remind you that the definition of a fanatic is one who argues more and more every time he is proven wrong.

 

[rsnoble]

yep your female you avoided the post.

 

[Lao Tzu]

Ok I understand you now. Jews are better people than Arabs because they are more successful in medicine politics and law. By that standard, they are better people than all non-Jewish Americans, because percentagfe wise, they outnumber them as well in those professions. So you are basically a Jewish supremacist in my humble evaluation, and that explains your willingness to put Israel's interests above anyone elses.

That is semi true. Call me what you like, i tend to believe Israel (which has freedom of speech, freedom of the press, economic productivity, secularism, science, a pretty good human rights record and inhabitants who like the US) deserves more support than nations which are backwards, illiterate, sexist, homophobic, unproductive & hate the US.

I am not a jewish supremacist though. The Jewish people are just more useful to humanity than the Arabs. If the Arabs had freedom of speech, representative government, and tried to discover the cure for cancer i might hold their desires in higher esteem. But they don't.

And your last paragraph supports my statement that the US has supported Israel from day one, remember, you said that we didnt support them until the late sixties. In closing, I shall remind you that the definition of a fanatic is one who argues more and more every time he is proven wrong.

The last paragraph talks about how the US helped pave the way for the war of 1967.

I dont think you have proven me wrong once. Sorry. If i am wrong i usually admit it, but you haven't proven anything. ALl you've done is reinforce the stereotype that the Palestinian cause is run almost entirely on emotions.

 

[Nikola Teslasterone]

ALl you've done is reinforce the stereotype that the Palestinian cause is run almost entirely on emotions.

No emotions in my main point, which is the cornerstone of my entire argument:

"Israel, as the aggressor in the conflict, has to make the first move and withdraw from the occupied Palestinian territories before the Palestinians can be expected to stop their resistance."

 

[Lao Tzu]

well again, which occupied territories are you referring to? The 1948 partition plan territories or the West bank & Gaza strip?

 

[Nikola Teslasterone]

well again, which occupied territories are you referring to? The 1948 partition plan territories or the West bank & Gaza strip?

I did forget to clarify that earlier. I am referring to the West Bank and Gaza strip in this case, however it is my personal belief that Israel should also vacate the partition territories and occupy no more land than it was allotted in '48.

 

[primetime21]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why Mideast Peace is a fantasy that will never materialize:

In case you missed, we are discussing the CURRENT situation. If you dont think that Israel is the agressor and occupier in the Palestinian conflict then please tell me who is?

Israel has been the one attacked over and over again by the arab nations. To expect them now to trust these same arabs and withdraw (leaving the terrorist organizations to grow) all the while these terrorists are bombing buses and restaurants is a bit ignorant.

This is like the chicken and the egg argument. What should come first is anyones guess. And both sides have been wrong. But the fact is that the israelis have made more good faith efforts for peace than the palestinians. They have made peace with other arab nations (nations that ATTACKED THEM..unprevoked..less than 50 years ago).

As for only discussing the current situation we have to realize that what israel is doing is very common throughout modern history. its only because they are jews, that the world is against them. Dont let anyone tell you otherwise.

 

[The Republican]

Nordstrom knows what he's talking about. We as a country support Israel because they support us. Crazy notion, correct?
They are the closest thing to a true democracy in that area of the world.
Whether or not there are a high number of Jews in the government and/or media isnt really relevant.

As far as the Israel/Palestenian conflict is concerned, anyone with an IQ above 20 should admit that the Israelis have shown EXTREME resistance when dealing with the Palestenians.

 

[Nikola Teslasterone]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why Mideast Peace is a fantasy that will never materialize:

Ive condensed your argument down to its very essence:

its only because they are jews, that the world is against them. Dont let anyone tell you otherwise.

 

[Lao Tzu]

I did forget to clarify that earlier. I am referring to the West Bank and Gaza strip in this case, however it is my personal belief that Israel should also vacate the partition territories and occupy no more land than it was allotted in '48.

I would agree with giving Gaza & the west bank back if there was a method of ensuring Israeli security and decreasing palestinian hostility by doing so. However, Gaza & the West bank weren't even Israeli property until 1967. For the first 19 years of Israels existence Egypt & Jordon controlled them. There was no mention of 'liberating' them when arabs controlled those territories.

I disagree with the 1948 part. The Palestinians renounced that deal. Besides, the Israelis have invested many billions in building up Israel, they shouldn't give 1/2 of it to the Palestinians.

Also, what of the 900k Jews who had their land stolen and their money taken when they were kicked out of the Arab states from 1948-2003? Shouldn't Morocco, iraq, Egypt, etc. give them their land and money back?