Why Mideast Peace is a fantasy that will never materialize:

[Nikola Teslasterone]

Who gives a fuck about these two moronic, scum people?

I wouldnt give a crap either but in case you havent noticed, were involved because of our governments blind, unwavering and unconditional support of anything Israel does.

 

[CAESAR7]

very good points on both sides...so why is the US on the side of the Israelis?

 

[HULKSTER]

very good points on both sides...so why is the US on the side of the Israelis?

I'm sorry to anyone I might offend, but the Jewish-dominated (if not controlled) American media heavily skews favoritism towards the Isreali cause. Notice how Jews in American media never focus on the much greater evil person of WWII, Joseph Stalin, who murdered 20 million of HIS OWN SOVIET PEOPLE? But since Stalin was the enemy of Hitler (later on in the war, of course), and was a COMMUNIST, Jews in the media have become major apologists for Stalin----to the point that they never mention him.

Additionally, the American media squarely focuses on Hitler not because he killed 6 million people---but because he killed 6 million JEWS. If evil was based on total murders, I think that Stalin's 20 million dead deserve at least some mention, considering that Hitler murdered 6 milllion.....I didn't major in math, but 6 million is a helluva lot less than 20 million. Then again, those 20 million weren't all Jews.

 

[Nikola Teslasterone]

very good points on both sides...so why is the US on the side of the Israelis?

Simply put, there are more Jews than Palestinians in positions of power in the US. Also, Christians feel a great affinity with the Jewish nation. And dont forget, the US was instrumental in the creation of a Jewish state after WWII. I guess we'd looked silly if we reduced our support now.

 

[ariolanine]

I'm sorry to anyone I might offend, but the Jewish-dominated (if not controlled) American media heavily skews favoritism towards the Isreali cause. Notice how Jews in American media never focus on the much greater evil person of WWII, Joseph Stalin, who murdered 20 million of HIS OWN SOVIET PEOPLE? But since Stalin was the enemy of Hitler (later on in the war, of course), and was a COMMUNIST, Jews in the media have become major apologists for Stalin----to the point that they never mention him.

Additionally, the American media squarely focuses on Hitler not because he killed 6 million people---but because he killed 6 million JEWS. If evil was based on total murders, I think that Stalin's 20 million dead deserve at least some mention, considering that Hitler murdered 6 milllion.....I didn't major in math, but 6 million is a helluva lot less than 20 million. Then again, those 20 million weren't all Jews.

The 6 million number has never been verified. The total death camp toll is more like 4 million and that includes gypsies, homosexuals, retarded people, dissedents, etc... Also, the Japanese did far worse to china and southeast asia than Hitler did to the jews. The Japs killed around 10 million chinese between 1933 and 1945.

 

[Lao Tzu]

very good points on both sides...so why is the US on the side of the Israelis?

a mixture of things (if i remember correctly). I don't think they even were an ally before 1970. I'm pretty sure these things are large factors.


Israel was an ally in the cold war, and the relationship spilled over after the cold war ended. most arab countries leaned towards the soviet union during the cold war and Israel leaned towards the US (thats why all Iraq's tanks were Soviet made T-72's and their jets were Soviet MiGs while Israel's weapons are US made).

the US would rather side with a liberal, technologically inclined democracy than nations filled with backwards, anti-semetic religious fanatics (for lack of a more palatable definition).

The Israels have been persecuted and still are. liberal guilt.

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/US-Israel/roots_of_US-Israel.html

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/US-Israel/special.html

 

[Lao Tzu]

Simply put, there are more Jews than Palestinians in positions of power in the US. Also, Christians feel a great affinity with the Jewish nation. And dont forget, the US was instrumental in the creation of a Jewish state after WWII. I guess we'd looked silly if we reduced our support now.

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/US-Israel/lobby.html#The Arab Lobby

Your statement makes no sense. SUre there are no palestinian lobbyists, but there are Arab lobbyists fueled with oil money.

The US didn't even support Israel until the mid/late 1960s, when Israel was no longer really under threat of destruction anymore (think the last war was in 73).

 

[Lao Tzu]

Because they dont matter much. Nobody is hooking up the Palestinians the way we help out Israel. We give them billions of dollars, the most advanced weapons which they slaughter Palestinians and most importantly, we give Israel total freedom to do as it pleases under our protection. No one does that for the Palestinians.

The US gives Israel about $2.25 billion a year in military aid. We also give Egypt about $2 billion a year in military aid too. Isreal could probably make that $2.25 billion up themselves out of their $122 billion GDP if they needed to.

Israel does not slaughter palestinians. During the Infatada (started by the Palestinians, just like most of these things are) Israel has killed 2000 Palestinians and lost 700 Israelis. Killing 2000 people over the course of 32 months is not slaughter when there is an undeclared war going on. Jordan killed more palestinians in one month in 1970 than Israel has killed in 55 years. KUwait & Saudi Arabia kicked more Palestinians out of their homes after Gulf war 1 (for treason) than Israel has.

The US does not give Israel total freedom.

That is absurd. Do you really think that a Palestinian state would pose a real threat to Israel? With what army? Im not going to go into your assumptions on the intent of the Palestinians. It doesnt really matter, because even if they wanted to attack Israel, they know that that would be their end. What makes you think statehood would enable them to do more harm to Israel?

Yes i think they would want to harm Israel. Seeing how about 70% of Palestinians support terrorism directed against Israeli civilians, and about 46% want to destroy the state of Israel. What if China wanted to move 300 million chinese into america, and 60-70%+ supported 9/11, and 47% wanted to destroy the US gov. and make a communist dictatorship that was friendly with china?

http://www.jmcc.org/publicpoll/results/2002/no47.htm

Another 47 percent believe the end result of the Intifada is to liberate all of historic Palestine compared with 43 percent in last September and only 39.6 percent in December 2001.


As for suicide bombing operations against Israeli civilians, there is a slight trend of decreased support for them since 62.7 percent of those interviewed supported them dropping from 64.3 percent last September, 68.1 last June, 72 percent last March and 74 percent in December 2001. Of those surveyed, 29.8 percent opposed suicide bombings compared with 26 percent in December 2001.

 

[Nikola Teslasterone]

Your statement makes no sense. SUre there are no palestinian lobbyists, but there are Arab lobbyists fueled with oil money.

The US didn't even support Israel until the mid/late 1960s, when Israel was no longer really under threat of destruction anymore (think the last war was in 73).

A) My statement makes perfect sense. Pro-Israel lobbyists and organizations have much more power in Washington than their Arab counterparts. How many Arab congressmen, senators and other power brokers are Arab anyway? Let alone Palestinian?

B) Your last paragraph makes no sense. The US has supported Israel since its creation. We even let them firebomb one of our ships in the late sixties, and didnt even get an apology for it.

 

[Lao Tzu]

A) My statement makes perfect sense. Pro-Israel lobbyists and organizations have much more power in Washington than their Arab counterparts. How many Arab congressmen, senators and other power brokers are Arab anyway? Let alone Palestinian?

don't you remember the OPEC embargo as a result of the US's support of Israel in the 70's? That constitutes a strong message of power (luckily the US isn't as dependent on Mid east oil now).

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/US-Israel/lobby.html#The Arab Lobby

In a more rigorous study of 782 policy decisions made from 1945 to 1984, I found the Israeli lobby won; that is, achieved its policy objective, 60 percent of the time.

Besides, why would there be Arab or Palestinain congressmen? Jewish people are, per capita, much much more accomplished at everthing good (literacy, science, education, medicine, politics) than arabs. Much much more. Naturally there will be more Jewish politicians, just like there are more Jewish doctors, or more Israelis can read than Saudi Arabians. Just another reason to support Israel over the Palestinians. The Israelis have much more to offer humanity than the Palestinians.

B) Your last paragraph makes no sense. The US has supported Israel since its creation. We even let them firebomb one of our ships in the late sixties, and didnt even get an apology for it.

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/US-Israel/US_criticism_of_Israel.html

The U.S. effort to balance support for Israel with placating the Arabs began in 1948 when Truman showed signs of wavering on partition and advocating trusteeship. After the surrounding Arab states invaded Israel, the U.S. maintained an arms embargo that severely restricted the Jews' ability to defend themselves.

Perhaps the most dramatic example of American policy diverging from that of Israel came during the Suez War when President Eisenhower took a strong stand against Britain, France and Israel. After the war, U.S. pressure forced Israel to withdraw from the territory it conquered. David Ben-Gurion relied on dubious American guarantees that sowed the seeds of the 1967 conflict.