Why Mideast Peace is a fantasy that will never materialize:

[Lao Tzu]

The idea of peace in the middle east is a sham anyway. The middle east is filled with backwards dictators only out for their own well being and people who are unable to face the fact that they are on the fringes/bottom of humanity. Egypt is on the verge of a violent overthrow of the gov, Iranians are massively discontent with their gov. (same with Syrians), Iraq was just overthrown, Saudi Arabia may go soon, Lebanon is a colony of Syria (who knows how long that will last) and Sudan is fighting the bloodiest civil war on the planet while Algeria & morocco try to deal with their own terrorism and civil plots at violent overthrow. And those are just hte countries i know shit about. Claiming Israel/palestine issue will give peace int he middle east is like saying a band aid will heal someone who was caught in a grenade attack.

 

[Jimsbbc]

Israel won the land fair and square in the '67 war. To the victor goes the spoils. The arabs from surrounding areas that call themselves "Palestinians" should have gone the diplomatic route. Once war is waged it's anybody's for the taking. Israel won it and they have no obligation to give it back. The arabs want to wage war against the Jews, but when they lose they want their forfeited land back.

 

[Nikola Teslasterone]

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Totally true and something EVERY muslim will deny.

Which part are you agreeing with? That the Palestinians were invented fifty years ago just to spite the state of Israel, or that muslims are denying that Arafat is Egyptian? Either way, my main point still stands:

"Israel, as the aggressor in the conflict, has to make the first move and withdraw from the occupied Palestinian territories before the Palestinians can be expected to stop their resistance."

There it is. can you refute that with a logical argument?

 

[HULKSTER]

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With all due respect to my neighbor, the fact is that Prior to 1824 Texas was a Spanish possession and thereafter part of independent Mexico. AGainst the U.S. neutrality laws, a movement began to rebel against mexico by those that lived in mexico. The Mexican Army moved to crush the Texas rebellion, (remember theAlamo ). After losing at the Alamo the Texans were able to KICK ass at San Jacinto, capture Mexican leader Santa Anna, and gain their independence in 1836. It was only after the mexicans were defeated did they unwillingly agree to the independence. If i had a gun to my head, i would agree to alot myself.

However, it must be addressed that the US did not take/steal the land of Texas from the Mexicans; the people in what is now known as Texas fought the Mexican Army to claim independence. Subsequently, Texans declared the Republic of Texas. ONLY AFTER TEXAS BECAME AN INDENPENDENT AND SOVEREIGN STATE, did they petition the United States to annex Texas into the US as one of its states.

 

[Lao Tzu]

Nikola Teslasterone; you condemn US bias in favor of Israel. I would say the US is in favor by 70% Israel/30% Palestine. But Russia is 70% Palestine/30% Israel. the Middle east is 99% Palestine/1% Israel. Why not condemn any of these other biases? Europe in general is probably 65% Palestine/35% ISrael.

Also, you state that 'ending the occupation will help'. no it won't. Elimiating Israel is the goal of many palestinians (46% last time i checked), and the goal of most arab countries. Not only that, but realistically, too many ARab countries have too much invested in Israel. THe more they can make the wound of palestine/Israel fester, the more they can distract their own populations while a handful of ruling elites steal all the oil money. Israel is the middle easts war on drugs, it distracts the people from more serious issues. I honestly don't think countries like Iran, Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, etc. want a working peace plan because then their populus will become restless without something to distract all their sense of injustice (The US & Israel are big tools (more like victims) the middle east elite use to manipulate their people into deflecting criticism from the ruling elite).

Israel has violated UN resolutions, but they are a different kind than Iraq has violated. israel violates ch. 6 regulations, which are advisory and non binding. Iraq violated ch. 7 regulations, which are binding and call for military action. They are not the same type of resolution.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1055-638446,00.html

 

[Lao Tzu]

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"Israel, as the aggressor in the conflict, has to make the first move and withdraw from the occupied Palestinian territories before the Palestinians can be expected to stop their resistance."

There it is. can you refute that with a logical argument?

Israel isn't the aggressor. the 1948 & 1967 war were started by Arab countries.

What occupied territories are you referring to? the 2 state partition of 1948 or the west bank/gaza?

 

[Nikola Teslasterone]

Nikola Teslasterone; you condemn US bias in favor of Israel. I would say the US is in favor by 70% Israel/30% Palestine. But Russia is 70% Palestine/30% Israel. the Middle east is 99% Palestine/1% Israel. Why not condemn any of these other biases?

Because they dont matter much. Nobody is hooking up the Palestinians the way we help out Israel. We give them billions of dollars, the most advanced weapons which they slaughter Palestinians and most importantly, we give Israel total freedom to do as it pleases under our protection. No one does that for the Palestinians.

Also, you state that 'ending the occupation will help'. no it won't. Elimiating Israel is the goal of many palestinians (46% last time i checked), and the goal of most arab countries.

That is absurd. Do you really think that a Palestinian state would pose a real threat to Israel? With what army? Im not going to go into your assumptions on the intent of the Palestinians. It doesnt really matter, because even if they wanted to attack Israel, they know that that would be their end. What makes you think statehood would enable them to do more harm to Israel?

 

[HULKSTER]

Who gives a fuck about these two moronic, scum people? They both live their lives according to the supposed teachings and laws of invisible men, because they are too mentally inferior and weak to take matters into their own hands. Proof is in the pudding---the more the religous the people/society, the more they become uneducated, undemocratic, fearful and suspectible to being controlled and abused by authorities who claim to have derived power and authority from "their God".

 

[Nikola Teslasterone]

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Israel isn't the aggressor. the 1948 & 1967 war were started by Arab countries.

In case you missed, we are discussing the CURRENT situation. If you dont think that Israel is the agressor and occupier in the Palestinian conflict then please tell me who is?

 

[HULKSTER]

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In case you missed, we are discussing the CURRENT situation. If you dont think that Israel is the agressor and occupier in the Palestinian conflict then please tell me who is?

As per the partition agreement as set forth between Britian and the UN, the Palestians were granted a sizable amount of land when Israel was established. However, those ignorant, stupid fucking camel-humpers promptly launched a war against Isreal (which was really a bigoted war against Jews). The Jews/Israelis CRUSHED the combined Arab forces. Subsequently, they lost their land as a consequence of their defeat in an unjust war that the raghead Arabs initiated. Boo fucking hoo. If the Palestians wanted to keep their land, then they shouldn't have launched an UNPROVOKED WAR against Israel.