Why Mideast Peace is a fantasy that will never materialize:

[Nikola Teslasterone]

Israel will never give up the Palestinian land it has occupied until someone forces them. With the worlds lone superpower in their back pocket, no one ever will. I find all these "peace plans" an insult to our collective intelligence, because it is obvious that Israel will never give the land back. Why should they? Its funny that Israel, the occupying force, can get away with demanding that Palestinians cease all resistance before they stop the occupation. How can the victim of occupation be expected to stop resisting?

Truth be told, I could care less about the damn Palestinians. I just hate the political charade we play. We, America, is obviously showing Israel preferential treatment, why dont we just say it and end this peace process sham?

 

[primetime21]

Israel will never give up the Palestinian land it has occupied until someone forces them. With the worlds lone superpower in their back pocket, no one ever will. I find all these "peace plans" an insult to our collective intelligence, because it is obvious that Israel will never give the land back. Why should they? Its funny that Israel, the occupying force, can get away with demanding that Palestinians cease all resistance before they stop the occupation. How can the victim of occupation be expected to stop resisting?

Truth be told, I could care less about the damn Palestinians. I just hate the political charade we play. We, America, is obviously showing Israel preferential treatment, why dont we just say it and end this peace process sham?

its funny how you claim you "Could care less" about the palestinians, yet your second post on this site is in relation to the palestinians. Alterior motive?

As for the giving up "occupied territory" would you consider texas "occupied territory" since it was once owned by mexico and then won in a war? Well, israel got this territoryafter they were attacked. Since when has ANY country given up land it won in a war that they were NOT the aggressor? Only in a world of jew haters does that happen. Dont let people tell you otherwise.

 

[Nikola Teslasterone]

Re: Re: Why Mideast Peace is a fantasy that will never materialize:

its funny how you claim you "Could care less" about the palestinians, yet your second post on this site is in relation to the palestinians. Alterior motive?

Judging from your response, I personally think your alterior motive is to portray anyone who disagrees with Israel as a Jew hater. But thats neither here nor there. Lets talk about facts instead of trying to guess what the other person is secretly thinking.

Your Texas-Mexico analogy is invalid. The annexation of those territories by the US was legal under international law. It is very much different from Israel illegaly taking the land not from a legitimate country at war, but rather from a displaced and homeless nation of people. As a matter of fact, Israel has violated more UN resolutions and international demands than Iraq ever did, yet they get away with it, simply because they know that the US is their own private enforcer.

Listen, I dont have a problem with supporting and favorizing Israel above all other countries. After all, far many more Americans favor Israel over Palestine. There arent really any powerful pro-Palestine lobbies in the US. I just wish we werent so hypocritical about it.

 

[Frackal]

Good post nikola

 

[HULKSTER]

Re: Re: Why Mideast Peace is a fantasy that will never materialize:

its funny how you claim you "Could care less" about the palestinians, yet your second post on this site is in relation to the palestinians. Alterior motive?

As for the giving up "occupied territory" would you consider texas "occupied territory" since it was once owned by mexico and then won in a war? Well, israel got this territoryafter they were attacked. Since when has ANY country given up land it won in a war that they were NOT the aggressor? Only in a world of jew haters does that happen. Dont let people tell you otherwise.

Sorry to diss a fellow Forrest Hills native, but the United States never won the land of Texas from the Mexicans during the Mexican War. In reality, the people of Texas declared themselves a Republic (Republic of Texas). Subsequently, Mexican General Santa Anna and his Mexican Army launched an attack against the Texans (such as the battle at The Alamo). The Republic of Texas finally defeated the Mexican Army, and won independence as a free and sovereign nation. A few years later, The Republic of Texas petitioned the United States to annex Texas into the United States. The US agreed, and thus Texas became a state within the US.

 

[ajtomasi]

we should just give the middle east to white people and have this whole thing settled.

 

[primetime21]

Re: Re: Re: Why Mideast Peace is a fantasy that will never materialize:

Your Texas-Mexico analogy is invalid. The annexation of those territories by the US was legal under international law. It is very much different from Israel illegaly taking the land not from a legitimate country at war, but rather from a displaced and homeless nation of people.

So Israel TOOK the land from a NATION of people. You want to find that nation on any map that has ever existed. You cannot, cause there was never a palestine. Its funny how only when israel was created did a people known as the "palestinians" all of a sudden POP into existence. And its even funnier that these "Palestinians" call their leader Yasser Arafat, who is not even a quote end quote Palestinian. He is an egyptian.

And the creation of israel was also legal. The taking of land only occurred after they were attacked. And America was taken over from the indians. I have no problem giving these "palestinians" some land back, in fact israel agreed to give back land when clinton was in the white house, but arafat said no.

Since you think americas right to texas is based on it being a legal takeover, do you consider all the land that israel recieved LEGALLY to be israel's possession forever? Because much of israel was created legally.

 

[primetime21]

Re: Re: Re: Why Mideast Peace is a fantasy that will never materialize:

Sorry to diss a fellow Forrest Hills native, but the United States never won the land of Texas from the Mexicans during the Mexican War. In reality, the people of Texas declared themselves a Republic (Republic of Texas). Subsequently, Mexican General Santa Anna and his Mexican Army launched an attack against the Texans (such as the battle at The Alamo). The Republic of Texas finally defeated the Mexican Army, and won independence as a free and sovereign nation. A few years later, The Republic of Texas petitioned the United States to annex Texas into the United States. The US agreed, and thus Texas became a state within the US.

With all due respect to my neighbor, the fact is that Prior to 1824 Texas was a Spanish possession and thereafter part of independent Mexico. AGainst the U.S. neutrality laws, a movement began to rebel against mexico by those that lived in mexico. The Mexican Army moved to crush the Texas rebellion, (remember theAlamo ). After losing at the Alamo the Texans were able to KICK ass at San Jacinto, capture Mexican leader Santa Anna, and gain their independence in 1836. It was only after the mexicans were defeated did they unwillingly agree to the independence. If i had a gun to my head, i would agree to alot myself.

 

[Nikola Teslasterone]

primetime21, you make some great points about Texas and Mexico. When a war starts up there, you'll be ready for a debate on that topic. But this thread is about Israel and the Palestinians. Here is the main point: Israel, as the aggressor in the conflict, has to make the first move and withdraw from the occupied Palestinian territories before the Palestinians can be expected to stop their resistance. It is such a basic, common sense argument. For example, lets say you surprise an aggressive armed trespasser on your property. It is your God given right to drive him off. He cant demand that you disarm yourself before he leaves. Yet, this is exactly what Israel is doing. How do they get away with something that is so wrong, that the whole world condemns it? Because WE are their enforcers. Our democratically elected leaders are commiting us to a bad cause, and we are paying for it. We cant just bully the whole Arab world and not expect resistance.

 

[ariolanine]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Why Mideast Peace is a fantasy that will never materialize:

So Israel TOOK the land from a NATION of people. You want to find that nation on any map that has ever existed. You cannot, cause there was never a palestine. Its funny how only when israel was created did a people known as the "palestinians" all of a sudden POP into existence. And its even funnier that these "Palestinians" call their leader Yasser Arafat, who is not even a quote end quote Palestinian. He is an egyptian.

Totally true and something EVERY muslim will deny.