Why is benzyl alcohol blaimed for pain so often?

[stevesmi]

Wrong. It's the hormones crystallizing in your deltoid.The test prop content of 500mg/ml sustanon is most likely the culprit.

actually you are most likely wrong my friend. yes prop esthers are more painful and yes you can get an anti-histamine effect. but neither are what I experience with sustanon, its a totally different pain my friend than the pain you get from tren ace.. TOTALLY different.... sustanon prop ? its a VERY small amount in that compound, silly to blame it on that. its mostly long esthers. I have a very good thread up about painful injections and what causes them that I put up a month or two ago

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/injection-site-pain-facts-tips-746003.html

BA is one of the main factors, atleast with sustanon.

primo has the high concentration the fellow before me was talking about. primo is painful going in and if you dilute you are only gonna have to end up injecting more oil.. huge pain in the 'ass' literally. but its NOTHING compared to the hell that you will get injecting a large amount of sustanon, not even in the same league.

 

[UA_Iron]

actually you are most likely wrong my friend. yes prop esthers are more painful and yes you can get an anti-histamine effect. but neither are what I experience with sustanon, its a totally different pain my friend than the pain you get from tren ace.. TOTALLY different.... sustanon prop ? its a VERY small amount in that compound, silly to blame it on that. its mostly long esthers. I have a very good thread up about painful injections and what causes them that I put up a month or two ago

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/injection-site-pain-facts-tips-746003.html

BA is one of the main factors, atleast with sustanon.

primo has the high concentration the fellow before me was talking about. primo is painful going in and if you dilute you are only gonna have to end up injecting more oil.. huge pain in the 'ass' literally. but its NOTHING compared to the hell that you will get injecting a large amount of sustanon, not even in the same league.

How about instead of arguing about this you take a scientific approach and systematically start ruling out variables and unknowns that support your hypothesis?

1. Is it human grade sustanon? European pharmacopoeia 2005 states that Benzyl Alcohol content should not exceed 1% of the total volume... doesnt mean it doesn't though.
2. Is it UG sustanon? Then it might be 5% BA in that mix - which would be shitty, because sustanon esters will hold at 2% BA no problem. I'd be willing to send you some 2% BA sust.
3. Have you ever run Nandrolone Phenylpropionate? That is by far the most painful gear I've ever run. I attribute it to the phenylprop ester. Sustanon has two short esters, the prop and phenylprop that could contribute to pain.

There's still a lot of variables and unknowns. A proper root cause analysis is the only way to determine what factors are causing you pain.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ who is argueing? I sure am not.

and you know the rules.. we do not discuss brands or labs. so lets not even ask or mention that topic on here.

read the thread I linked on my prior post, I think you totally ignored it... and the 2 short esthers in sustanon probably do contribute but there is no way you can say its the sole pain people experience.. they are not very much of the 250mg that is in sustanon.

 

[UA_Iron]

I asked you if it was HG or UG, I could care less about the brand because if its hurting you that bad throw it away cause it sucks.

And yes, I did totally ignore your post. It appears as if you're well versed in injection pain, so I dont have to elaborate on that anymore. Attributing injection pain specifically to Sustanon because Sustanon has a higher BA content is where my question came from. How do you know Sustanon has higher BA content? Did you get it tested? I'm telling you that sustanon with 2% BA is very common, so if you run other gear thats 2% BA and sustanon hurts more then obviously its not the BA content.

 

[stevesmi]

no I have never tested juice for BA content... I am a bodybuilder, not a chemist.

i couldn't care less how much BA is in it, as long as it works. the pain doesn't bother me either because if you would of read the thread that you ignored you would knwo there are ways to reduce the pain.

so the BA content is not even an issue.

 

[CheapPinz]

alcohol burns, especially when its present in a larger %. some people have a sensitivity to certain alcohols and actually swell up and become red and puffy. crystalizing hormones are bad news. its a fast way to get an abscess that will need to be drained. painful, hot, ....just a bad situation. I'd just be aware if you're sensitive to alcohol and if so, you can always use a pin in the top as an air escape and heat your medication to evaporate some off thus decreasing the overall %. That should help.