Why aspirate?

[glennds]

i have been juicing for years and NEVER aspirate. never have. i dont understand why you need to if you are shooting intramuscularlly.

if you are shoogting intraveniously i get it. if you aspirate you know you ahve hit a vein and whatever you are shooting goes into your bloodstream. there is so much room for error shooting intramuscularly it doesnt seem to be necessary.

can anyone enlighten me on benefits of aspirating when shooting steroids?

 

[shibs]

put your flame suit on.

there's ALWAYS a chance of hitting a vein. It's a lot more common to some people than it may be to you. It's just not worth the risk, period. why not take 2 extra seconds to ensure you're not shooting that shit into a vein. is your time really that much more valuable than your health?

 

[glennds]

i shoot my glutes, sometimes my shoulders. even if i hit a vein the worst thing that has even happened is it bleeds. after seven year of successful cycling i dont worry. flame away.

 

[aj13]

I aspirate but anyway - Iv heard need2 say it doesnt matter if you hit a vein its not gonna kill you etc etc i geuss you don't waste juice though

 

[Voijn]

LOL <-

I´ve always thought that aspirateing was a must, so ive been totaly aspirating. Acutally while shooting i do aspirate 2-3times just to be sure, on the 2nd or 3nd aspirate some blood always comes and i stop shooting

Now when thinking about it, i think the blood comes from a vein that ive pop though and when aspirating it pull the blood into the muscle. Ive always been scared to pin, due to that ive thought if ya moved the pin alittle while shooting you might hit a vein and kill your self..

you know you aint totaly steady while shooting

 

[twenty47]

ive been going through veins a shit load and bleeding like a mofo lately but ive only ever had blood rush the syringe once when i pulled back.

 

[Voijn]

you guys pin all the way down or leave alittle space left on the needle?

 

[Voijn]

hitting a nerve is painfull, ive done it once and FEAR it..

Ill try to see if i am able to ejucate some mates about pinning so that they are able to inject my cheeks, arent they the best since the glutes dont have that many veins?

 

[stevesmi]

sometimes its impossible to aspirate anyway, if you have a 3ml syringe filled to capacity. I don't do it anymore.. once you get experienced you know exactly where to pin to avoid veins

 

[Voijn]

so what your saying is that your able to avoid hitting a vein and you know if your not in one without aspirateing.. ?

 

[RADAR]

Phoo! I have never aspirated,and i have a lot more yrs in then glennds-never a problem

 

[C.K.]

kinda hard to when the syringe is completely full

 

[twenty47]

you guys pin all the way down or leave alittle space left on the needle?

ive been using 1.5's on my quads and going all the way down. first cycle.


what is all this nerve talk on quads. got me scared. ive had a few that fucking hurt when it goes in but i have a feeling the way u guys describe it that i havent hit a nerve. i only do outer quads is that a safe area?

 

[Discreet User]

For me the more appropriate question has been: Why not aspirate?

It's quick & simple to do, and is supposed to reduce the risks....

 

[mmk64]

I hate aspirating but always do it. I can never pull it back smoothly, so usually I end up pulling out a bit too hard and it just feels weird

 

[ryno9000]

There is absolutely no fucking reason to do it. It's folklore and paranoid.

Go to the doctor and get a flu shot. Do they aspirate? No. Guess why not? Because there is not fucking reason to.

How many threads do you see like: "OMG OMG I shot directly into a vein?!" And guess what, you're still alive!

There is no risk. You could IV your oil and be fine. Good idea? No. But it's not going to kill you. You want to aspirate, go ahead. You don't want to, go ahead.

Thank you.

 

[DJ_UFO]

I agree with the question should be: Why NOT aspirate. It is so simple, easy and fast, and is just an extra step to double secure everything. In the 80's NASA became so cocky with the Shuttle program, flying shuttles was like talking the bus up and down. Then the Challenger tragedy due to human error. Then the Columbia tragedy due to Human negligence again. There is always room to improve. It is hard to think on what else can be improved, but if you know already, DO IT. You know aspirate can save you from a very bad experience. And even if you don;t experience bad sides, you will waste your juice going into a vein. Stick it in, pull the plunger, literally 2 seconds, then shoot.

 

[moya]

all the talk about not aspirating has made me think of another scenario... injecting dirty gear into a vein...
a lot of us here use UG labs, thankfully i have access to some of the best gear out there, but for those who dont, or are trying out new sources, the question is...
what would happen if you injected dirty gear into a vein... in your muscle you get an infection... in your bloodstream?

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

I can't remember what the exact side effects of shooting into the blood stream are, but I think loss of breath or rapid heart beat might be one. Somebody here knows I'm sure.

I would guess(and I'm a lightweight user atm) that I have injected around 150x over the last 5 years and only once that I can remember have I seen blood while aspirating.

I aspirate every time because it's not hard to do.

It's gotten to the point if I want to do a solid delt shot I have to lean on a counter and completely fold the arm of the delt I want to inject across my body to get a good angle and even then I still aspirate.

Refusing to aspirate in my honest opinion is sheer laziness and nothing more. I don't look down on guy's that don't, but I don't understand why not when it takes hardly any extra time to do it. Considering I hold the syringe like a dart and have to reposition my hand to get good leverage with a 25g needle to press the oil at a reasonable rate of speed while not moving it side to side too much or mini-jabbing while aspirating from needle pressure wobble anyway.

(big part of excess inject soreness in the presence of clean gear and procedure is pushing the needle in while moving it, mini-jabbing yourself too much while injecting from the pressure of pressing the needle causing the needle point to do tiny little jabs while injecting the oil and pulling the needle out at an angle thus slicing the muscle and causing excess irritation)

I don't think I would notice much difference not aspirating so I don't see a reason not to.

Just my opinion.

 

[Voijn]

Ive never had trouble aspirateing. I feel that its alot safer, actually i thought that you would die if you shot into a vein.
Ive shot 5times and these times has been the worst in my life... I hate it..

So you guys pin all the way down to the plastic or leave little space on needle left?

Yeah your right about the doctor thing, theres alot of times they dont aspirate.. lol, but dont think that gear is going to be wasted if going into a vein

 

[Gawd]

Ive never had trouble aspirateing. I feel that its alot safer, actually i thought that you would die if you shot into a vein.
Ive shot 5times and these times has been the worst in my life... I hate it..

So you guys pin all the way down to the plastic or leave little space on needle left?

Yeah your right about the doctor thing, theres alot of times they dont aspirate.. lol, but dont think that gear is going to be wasted if going into a vein

I use 5/8" or 1" pins and go all the way in.

I always aspirate, easy enough to do to avoid the nasty effects of injecting into a vein.

 

[psizzle_8]

I am TERRIFIED of doing this. Just the thought makes me cringe. But, I got over my fear of needles and practically look forward to pin days now maybe I can face my fear of this gross gross thing as well.. eek

 

[RADAR]

dirty gear might be a problem ,however know your source ,I have been injecting for over 30 yrs with no problems ,i hit a vein once and had the alcohol feeling in my lungs,but nothing came of it!

 

[BamaGuy1024]

Anyone injecting intramuscular MUST aspirate: it is so easy, insert the needle all the way, then gently pull the plunger UP and see if blood starts filling the syringe below if it does, pull out and pick another injection site nearby. Why? If you inject into a blood vessel it is bad news... not fatal but not good.

 

[shibs]

all the talk about not aspirating has made me think of another scenario... injecting dirty gear into a vein...
a lot of us here use UG labs, thankfully i have access to some of the best gear out there, but for those who dont, or are trying out new sources, the question is...
what would happen if you injected dirty gear into a vein... in your muscle you get an infection... in your bloodstream?

I agree, that could be a bad deal

 

[stevesmi]

Anyone injecting intramuscular MUST aspirate: it is so easy, insert the needle all the way, then gently pull the plunger UP and see if blood starts filling the syringe below if it does, pull out and pick another injection site nearby. Why? If you inject into a blood vessel it is bad news... not fatal but not good.

i've aspirated had no blood and still hit blood vessels.. . when i pulled out blood pored out.

also what if you are injecting 3ml's with a 3ml syringe?

I just don't think it makes a difference. i am most concerned with opening a vial and having small pieces of glass go into the oil then sucking it up, that is the real danger to watch out for. its highly unlikely but if i am gonna worry about something that is what i would worry about. so be careful opening those vials.

and also infections need to be watched out for or you will have to make a trip to the doctor for anti-biotics

 

[RearNaked]

So you guys pin all the way down to the plastic or leave little space on needle left?

Heh...quite some time since I've been on the boards yet again. I prefer to leave a bit of the pin exposed. I can recall some of the old boys discussing this once, and it was strictly due to fear of something out of the ordinary happening like slipping or ur gf accidentally scaring the shit out of you, causing you to break the pin off inside your muscle. Maybe im just paranoid lol. I'd just hate to try to explain that in the er lol.

 

[RADAR]

Anyone injecting intramuscular MUST aspirate: it is so easy, insert the needle all the way, then gently pull the plunger UP and see if blood starts filling the syringe below if it does, pull out and pick another injection site nearby. Why? If you inject into a blood vessel it is bad news... not fatal but not good.

learn to know where to inject ,i can do it with my eyes closed!

 

[needtogetaas]

put your flame suit on.

there's ALWAYS a chance of hitting a vein. It's a lot more common to some people than it may be to you. It's just not worth the risk, period. why not take 2 extra seconds to ensure you're not shooting that shit into a vein. is your time really that much more valuable than your health?

It disappoints me to see vets of this site still posting things like this. Is it common for people to get flamed around here if all they have done is ask a questions. Worded there question respectfully like this guy did. If I find some one flaming this guy for making this post And acting like a jerk to him for it I will ban there ass on site.

We dont "flame" around here for the sake of flaming or because we do not agree. You are respectful to each other at all times at least I know we are when I come lurking around. And I know we should be when all of my staff is around...

SO please lets not say things like this. I know for a fact the leadership and the vets,mentors of this site do a lot of work trying to keep this site free of flames. Thanks shibs my man you know I love ya bro

 

[Nelson Montana]

The question should be -- when was the last time who heard of somebody having a problem because they hit a vein?

If you shoot in the glutes of delts, there aren't any major veins big enough to carry a substantial dosage. Even doctors don't aspirate. Of course, ANYTHING is possible. But on the whole, if done correctly, it shouldn't be an issue.

 

[RADAR]

It disappoints me to see vets of this site still posting things like this. Is it common for people to get flamed around here if all they have done is ask a questions. Worded there question respectfully like this guy did. If I find some one flaming this guy for making this post And acting like a jerk to him for it I will ban there ass on site.

We dont "flame" around here for the sake of flaming or because we do not agree. You are respectful to each other at all times at least I know we are when I come lurking around. And I know we should be when all of my staff is around...

SO please lets not say things like this. I know for a fact the leadership and the vets,mentors of this site do a lot of work trying to keep this site free of flames. Thanks shibs my man you know I love ya bro

Agree with needto......no need to flame ,i work part time at the hospital ,and all that time i have never seen anyone aspirate, we are injecting IM here ,now if you had a compound like Demerol that needed to be injected into a vein then "SURE" You would aspirate,Failure to do so and the patient gets no benefits out of the administration ,no matter what the dostage is!

 

[needtogetaas]

I aspirate but anyway - Iv heard need2 say it doesnt matter if you hit a vein its not gonna kill you etc etc i geuss you don't waste juice though

And yes for the record I stopped Aspirating like 4-5 years ago.
I dont even aspirate when I am injecting tren any more ether. Why? Well for a number of reasons.

Over time I have learned that I should only inject tren into my delts. Aspiration or not injecting in my quads, ass, any other muscle group always ends in me coughing my lungs out sprawled out across the floor. Injecting in my delts almost never ends up this way..

Another reason. I cant stand that weird ass "sucking" feeling when I used to aspirate. Always felt like I was sucking half my arm/leg into the needle it just felt really really fucked up and even hurt at times.

Another reason. It would take a "big ass air bubble" TO kill you. Your blood carries oxagen and air and any tiny,small, to mid size Air bubble will get absorbed by your blood.
When air enters the veins, it travels to the right side of the heart, and then to the lungs. NO matter what the bubble will travel through the " right side" of the heart and then to the lungs. Once in the lungs even very large air bubbles are then converted in the lungs to just plan old air.

It is only when the air pocket is of substantial size that it is able to cause a 20/30% rise in pressure which allows it to pop passed the lungs and into the "left ventricle" and it is here and only here where it can and will cause death. So the bubble must travel through the blood stream through the right side of the heart, through the lungs and be strong enough and large enough to pass through the lungs as a bubble and back into the blood and on its way to the lefts ventricle where then and only then its deadly...

We have all gone to the doctors and got vaccination shots. These shots are intramuscular shots . Now stop and think real real hard!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you ever remember seeing or feeling the nurse who injected you aspirate? In all my life of all the intra shots I have gotten from every nurse, from every doctor I have yet to see a single one of them Aspirate?

Now think back throughout your life. Do you know anyone who has died from this ( and keep in mind we all know a lot of juicers dont we?) ? how about your friends have they are said they know some one first had who died from this? I am betting no!!

If you hold the needle upward and flick it till you can physically see no bubbles then the chances of you getting a air bubble big enough to kill you inot your veins is like winning the lottery guys.... However I play Lottery tickets all the time because " I know there is still a chance"


So yes if you do not aspirate before you inject it is like you are playing the lottery every time you do this. Lets hope I dont/ you dont win that lottery some day!!!!!!! In all honesty the smart thing to do is not play the lottery...

YOu know how the saying goes. You have to play to win. in this case the prize won would not be a fun one..

My self I hate aspirating

And for god sakes I now hate the word aspirate and every variation of it. It looks way to much like I am saying Ass Pirate or ASS pirating lmao...

 

[bluflame]

I never aspirate. Doesn't mean it is wrong to aspirate, but as many times as I have injected I would already say the possibility of a problem is very slim.

 

[RADAR]

And yes for the record I stopped Aspirating like 4-5 years ago.
I dont even aspirate when I am injecting tren any more ether. Why? Well for a number of reasons.

Over time I have learned that I should only inject tren into my delts. Aspiration or not injecting in my quads, ass, any other muscle group always ends in me coughing my lungs out sprawled out across the floor. Injecting in my delts almost never ends up this way..

Another reason. I cant stand that weird ass "sucking" feeling when I used to aspirate. Always felt like I was sucking half my arm/leg into the needle it just felt really really fucked up and even hurt at times.

Another reason. It would take a "big ass air bubble" TO kill you. Your blood carries oxagen and air and any tiny,small, to mid size Air bubble will get absorbed by your blood.
When air enters the veins, it travels to the right side of the heart, and then to the lungs. NO matter what the bubble will travel through the " right side" of the heart and then to the lungs. Once in the lungs even very large air bubbles are then converted in the lungs to just plan old air.

It is only when the air pocket is of substantial size that it is able to cause a 20/30% rise in pressure which allows it to pop passed the lungs and into the "left ventricle" and it is here and only here where it can and will cause death. So the bubble must travel through the blood stream through the right side of the heart, through the lungs and be strong enough and large enough to pass through the lungs as a bubble and back into the blood and on its way to the lefts ventricle where then and only then its deadly...

We have all gone to the doctors and got vaccination shots. These shots are intramuscular shots . Now stop and think real real hard!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you ever remember seeing or feeling the nurse who injected you aspirate? In all my life of all the intra shots I have gotten from every nurse, from every doctor I have yet to see a single one of them Aspirate?

Now think back throughout your life. Do you know anyone who has died from this ( and keep in mind we all know a lot of juicers dont we?) ? how about your friends have they are said they know some one first had who died from this? I am betting no!!

If you hold the needle upward and flick it till you can physically see no bubbles then the chances of you getting a air bubble big enough to kill you inot your veins is like winning the lottery guys.... However I play Lottery tickets all the time because " I know there is still a chance"


So yes if you do not aspirate before you inject it is like you are playing the lottery every time you do this. Lets hope I dont/ you dont win that lottery some day!!!!!!! In all honesty the smart thing to do is not play the lottery...

YOu know how the saying goes. You have to play to win. in this case the prize won would not be a fun one..

My self I hate aspirating

And for god sakes I now hate the word aspirate and every variation of it. It looks way to much like I am saying Ass Pirate or ASS pirating lmao...

so ! you're admitting to be an ass pirate?

 

[needtogetaas]

so ! you're admitting to be an ass pirate?

Pretty muc yes. I am saying everyone really should aspirate and although I do not it does not make it the right thing to do. In fact its the wrong thing to do. SO do as I say and not as I do. Be sure to always aspirate all you ass pirates you!!!

 

[bblazer]

I'll chime in on this one with a little different perspective.

Many years ago, I was an EMT-P. Part of that training involved working in an ER and then for a trauma surgeon - all in addition to paramedic training.

The general rule I was taught was that if what I was injecting (and we are talking IM injections here) a water based drug, no aspiration was needed. If it was oil based (which is somewhat rare in a clinical or ambulance setting), you DID aspirate.

The thinking behind this was that if for some reason, you did get the water based compound into a vein, it is very easily assimilated and diluted in the bloodstream. That is not the case with oil based. Blood is mostly water, and we all know what happens when you mix oil and water, and since you can't exactly use a wire whisk or stand mixer to emulsify the oil into the blood, you have these oil "globules" that can travel through the bloodstream. Here is where the problem lies. Should one of these get caught in a small blood vessel or in the alveoli (the small air sacs in the lungs), you can have a heap of trouble on your hands.

Here comes the disclaimer...

The incidence of this happening is relatively rare. It has a greater chance of happening when one or both of these conditions exist:

1) It is a trauma or a time where extremely fast action on the part of the care giver is needed. Speed kills!
2) The injection is being administered by someone with little experience or training.

Now, based on the fact that right here on this forum, there are posts asking for instructions on how to inject, and others where members ask if they can reuse syringes, etc, I think it is fair to say that there is a general lack of formal training going on. That's just the nature of what we do. You just don't go to your local Doc or nurse and ask to be taught how to inject your juice.

So when asked, I always say to aspirate before pushing the drugs. It is cheap and quick insurance. I think that advice is even more relevant now since we are starting to see more and more use of ethyl oleate in UG lab gear so they can cram huge amounts of gear into small volume injections. EO can be bad juju, and compounding that with what can happen if oil gets in the blood, aspiration is even more warranted.

B-

 

[Gawd]

I'll chime in on this one with a little different perspective.

Many years ago, I was an EMT-P. Part of that training involved working in an ER and then for a trauma surgeon - all in addition to paramedic training.

The general rule I was taught was that if what I was injecting (and we are talking IM injections here) a water based drug, no aspiration was needed. If it was oil based (which is somewhat rare in a clinical or ambulance setting), you DID aspirate.

The thinking behind this was that if for some reason, you did get the water based compound into a vein, it is very easily assimilated and diluted in the bloodstream. That is not the case with oil based. Blood is mostly water, and we all know what happens when you mix oil and water, and since you can't exactly use a wire whisk or stand mixer to emulsify the oil into the blood, you have these oil "globules" that can travel through the bloodstream. Here is where the problem lies. Should one of these get caught in a small blood vessel or in the alveoli (the small air sacs in the lungs), you can have a heap of trouble on your hands.

Here comes the disclaimer...

The incidence of this happening is relatively rare. It has a greater chance of happening when one or both of these conditions exist:

1) It is a trauma or a time where extremely fast action on the part of the care giver is needed. Speed kills!
2) The injection is being administered by someone with little experience or training.

Now, based on the fact that right here on this forum, there are posts asking for instructions on how to inject, and others where members ask if they can reuse syringes, etc, I think it is fair to say that there is a general lack of formal training going on. That's just the nature of what we do. You just don't go to your local Doc or nurse and ask to be taught how to inject your juice.

So when asked, I always say to aspirate before pushing the drugs. It is cheap and quick insurance. I think that advice is even more relevant now since we are starting to see more and more use of ethyl oleate in UG lab gear so they can cram huge amounts of gear into small volume injections. EO can be bad juju, and compounding that with what can happen if oil gets in the blood, aspiration is even more warranted.

B-

Great info bro,

That's something I was wondering as oil "globules" in the bloodstream doesn't sound that pleasant, lol.

 

[RearNaked]

excellent and very informative reply bblazer! thanks bro!