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Why Arod should get the MVP over Ortiz

KillahBee

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First, I shall preempt this case with a few notes:
- if only one of the two make the playoffs, that person will win
- if both make it, but one of them leaves a lasting impression on the media (i.e. Ortiz hits a game winning bomb in the 9th on Sunday to win the series), that person will win

WHy Arod should win:
- yes, the fielding thing. you would have to be a complete retard to ignore this part of the game. a complete fucking retard. Arod has had (at most) 2 errors in the last 3 months. maybe none, I am not sure. and he has won games with plays, but that doesn't show up on your pretty little stat sheet, now does it - virgins.
- try and wrap your simpleton minds around this one - everyone keeps talkign about ortiz's clutch hits. think about this - a run in the first inning is NO DIFFERENT than a run in the 9th. both equal one run on the scoreboard. yesterday's NYY game was a perfect example. Arod hit a bomb in the early-mid innings to tie it up and they went on to win. the ONLY difference between that hit and the same hit in the bottom of the 9th, is drama. and drama shouldn't win MVP's. Arod beats Ortiz in 9 out of 10 hitting statistical categories.
- oh yeah, he plays the field too.


I know most of you will not be mature or even intelligent enough to look at this in a non-emotional manner and realize the common sense that is lacked in the general sports world. but I am right, and you are wrong.
 
KillahBee said:
First, I shall preempt this case with a few notes:
- if only one of the two make the playoffs, that person will win
- if both make it, but one of them leaves a lasting impression on the media (i.e. Ortiz hits a game winning bomb in the 9th on Sunday to win the series), that person will win

WHy Arod should win:
- yes, the fielding thing. you would have to be a complete retard to ignore this part of the game. a complete fucking retard. Arod has had (at most) 2 errors in the last 3 months. maybe none, I am not sure. and he has won games with plays, but that doesn't show up on your pretty little stat sheet, now does it - virgins.
- try and wrap your simpleton minds around this one - everyone keeps talkign about ortiz's clutch hits. think about this - a run in the first inning is NO DIFFERENT than a run in the 9th. both equal one run on the scoreboard. yesterday's NYY game was a perfect example. Arod hit a bomb in the early-mid innings to tie it up and they went on to win. the ONLY difference between that hit and the same hit in the bottom of the 9th, is drama. and drama shouldn't win MVP's. Arod beats Ortiz in 9 out of 10 hitting statistical categories.
- oh yeah, he plays the field too.


I know most of you will not be mature or even intelligent enough to look at this in a non-emotional manner and realize the common sense that is lacked in the general sports world. but I am right, and you are wrong.
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wow i dont even want to respond to this.. :(
 
lol, killahbee, you are a much bigger sports guy than me, but did you play baseball when you were a kid? do you remember the difference between hitting a double in the first inning and getting a hit in the bottom of the ninth with the game on the line? the nerves? the jitters? the people who choked? wow! that's what an MVP is! that's what michael jordan was..... man.... you know this!

you don't remember who you wanted up at the plate in those situations? that's VALUABLE. I can't believe you said that!

simpleton mind?????????
 
Consigliere! oh well

I think ARod should win too, since we shipped him to you and you took over that ridiculous contract.
 
Lets see. Ortiz hit the game tying home run tonite in the 8th and then the game winning single in the 9th. Not bad.lol

But it will all come down to this weekends series either way. Arod choked in the ALCS last year, so hes definately got somthing to prove.

And Arod isnt even the MVP of the Yankees. Mariano Rivera is the Yankees MVP .
 
bran987 said:
lol, killahbee, you are a much bigger sports guy than me, but did you play baseball when you were a kid? do you remember the difference between hitting a double in the first inning and getting a hit in the bottom of the ninth with the game on the line? the nerves? the jitters? the people who choked? wow! that's what an MVP is! that's what michael jordan was..... man.... you know this!

you don't remember who you wanted up at the plate in those situations? that's VALUABLE. I can't believe you said that!

simpleton mind?????????
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you see, this is the issue. you are getting all caught up in some fairytale drama bullshit. a run is a run. 1 = 1. you can't argue that. of course it's nice to have someone that is clutch on your team, but that should not trump everything Arod has over him - better numbers and the fielding.
 
arod 190/594(h/ab) 121(r) 47(hr) 129(rbi) 20(sb) .320(ba)
ortiz 177/593(h/ab) 117(r) 47(hr) 146(rbi) 1(sb) .298(ba)

as you can see the only stat ortiz is ahead of a rod in is rbis by a fairly large margin
now in the stat that really matters
arod is ranked #1 overall this year in fantasy baseball stats while ortiz is ranked 4th

on a side note there isnt much of a difference between ortiz's #s and the #s of manny or teixeira
 
hamstershaver said:
arod 190/594(h/ab) 121(r) 47(hr) 129(rbi) 20(sb) .320(ba)
ortiz 177/593(h/ab) 117(r) 47(hr) 146(rbi) 1(sb) .298(ba)

as you can see the only stat ortiz is ahead of a rod in is rbis by a fairly large margin
now in the stat that really matters
arod is ranked #1 overall this year in fantasy baseball stats while ortiz is ranked 4th

on a side note there isnt much of a difference between ortiz's #s and the #s of manny or teixeira
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the other difference between the two, and it is not a HUGE one but still deserves to be noted - Ortiz is hitting in front of Manny, possibly the best hitter in the big leagues.
 
KillahBee said:
First, I shall preempt this case with a few notes:
- if only one of the two make the playoffs, that person will win
- if both make it, but one of them leaves a lasting impression on the media (i.e. Ortiz hits a game winning bomb in the 9th on Sunday to win the series), that person will win

WHy Arod should win:
- yes, the fielding thing. you would have to be a complete retard to ignore this part of the game. a complete fucking retard. Arod has had (at most) 2 errors in the last 3 months. maybe none, I am not sure. and he has won games with plays, but that doesn't show up on your pretty little stat sheet, now does it - virgins.
- try and wrap your simpleton minds around this one - everyone keeps talkign about ortiz's clutch hits. think about this - a run in the first inning is NO DIFFERENT than a run in the 9th. both equal one run on the scoreboard. yesterday's NYY game was a perfect example. Arod hit a bomb in the early-mid innings to tie it up and they went on to win. the ONLY difference between that hit and the same hit in the bottom of the 9th, is drama. and drama shouldn't win MVP's. Arod beats Ortiz in 9 out of 10 hitting statistical categories.
- oh yeah, he plays the field too.


I know most of you will not be mature or even intelligent enough to look at this in a non-emotional manner and realize the common sense that is lacked in the general sports world. but I am right, and you are wrong.
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I don't care either way, but I heard a good argument. If Manny Ramirez was having the same season as Ortiz, would he be more deserving because he plays the field, as sorry as he is in the field??

People like Canseco, Juan Gonzales (& even Bonds) have won MVP. You they had a mit on out there, but really didn't do anything.
 
rudeboyja said:
I don't care either way, but I heard a good argument. If Manny Ramirez was having the same season as Ortiz, would he be more deserving because he plays the field, as sorry as he is in the field??

People like Canseco, Juan Gonzales (& even Bonds) have won MVP. You they had a mit on out there, but really didn't do anything.
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i agree with your assesment of bonds not making a difference with his glove
he has only won 8 gold gloves in his career, if you havent won 10 your arent shit
 
hamstershaver said:
i agree with your assesment of bonds not making a difference with his glove
he has only won 8 gold gloves in his career, if you havent won 10 your arent shit
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Bonds has won 8 gold gloves? That's news to me. Especially with his bubble gum arm. If that's the case it hasn't been in the last few years when he's been pretty much a liability out there & has still ran away with the MVP.
 
hamstershaver said:
i agree with your assesment of bonds not making a difference with his glove
he has only won 8 gold gloves in his career, if you havent won 10 your arent shit
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:) bonds rules..
 
i'm sorry kb.. but saying that a homerun in the 9th is no different than a homerun in the 1st just goes to show that you've never played baseball in your life.. :)
 
Phaded said:
i'm sorry kb.. but saying that a homerun in the 9th is no different than a homerun in the 1st just goes to show that you've never played baseball in your life.. :)
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And it goes to show that you have no ability to think on your own. Does 1=1? It is that simple. And I noted that being "clutch" is definitely a great attribute, but is it better to hit a homerun in the 9th to win it in the last inning than to hit one in the 2nd and win it then? NO

Was recruited in highschool as a catcher, but not good enough to play above DIII in college.
 
KillahBee said:
And it goes to show that you have no ability to think on your own. Does 1=1? It is that simple. And I noted that being "clutch" is definitely a great attribute, but is it better to hit a homerun in the 9th to win it in the last inning than to hit one in the 2nd and win it then? NO
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YES, makes more news, more excitement, sells more tickets :)
 
bran987 said:
YES, makes more news, more excitement, sells more tickets :)
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This has nothing to do with the MVP award. Stop fucking up my attempted intelligent converstiong about sports (which will NEVER happen).
 
galaxy said:
Lets see. Ortiz hit the game tying home run tonite in the 8th and then the game winning single in the 9th. Not bad.lol

But it will all come down to this weekends series either way. Arod choked in the ALCS last year, so hes definately got somthing to prove.

And Arod isnt even the MVP of the Yankees. Mariano Rivera is the Yankees MVP .
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Mo should really win the MVP but he will not. A Rod should win the defence thing does make a diiference when all the other stats are so close. Look at the game against Toronto when he turned a sure double into a walk off double play. Yeah Ortiz had a great game last night but he was something like 5 for 27 with 4 rbi's over his last 6 games going into last night.
 
KillahBee said:
This has nothing to do with the MVP award. Stop fucking up my attempted intelligent converstiong about sports (which will NEVER happen).
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congrats on your crowns buddy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
wow bro.. so if 1 = 1 then lets see.. hitting a game winning freethrow to win by 1 is the same as hitting the first point of the game.. 1 = 1 right.. they are EXACTLY the same.. great call my friend..
 
Phaded said:
wow bro.. so if 1 = 1 then lets see.. hitting a game winning freethrow to win by 1 is the same as hitting the first point of the game.. 1 = 1 right.. they are EXACTLY the same.. great call my friend..
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nope, you are right. 1 does not equal 1. take away the first run of yesterday's game for the Sox, but keep Ortiz' 9th inning RBI single. now how fucking precious is it?
 
KillahBee said:
nope, you are right. 1 does not equal 1. take away the first run of yesterday's game for the Sox, but keep Ortiz' 9th inning RBI single. now how fucking precious is it?
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One thing people are missing even with Ortiz's game winning rbi he is only tied with A-Rod on that stat.
 
bluehen said:
One thing people are missing even with Ortiz's game winning rbi he is only tied with A-Rod on that stat.
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nah, we covered it. evne without the fielding, Arod is a better hitter.
 
You aren't looking at the "MVP" award thoroughly enough. Ortiz is more valuable TO HIS TEAM than A-Rod. If Ortiz doesn't get the big homers or RBIs, Manny might. After that, you start to struggle a bit with the Red Sox lineup. They have a bunch of guys that can hit singles but not many power threats.

After A-Rod you have Sheffield, Giambi, and Matsui to pick up the slack; Ortiz doesn't have that luxury.

And an RBI in the 9th counts the same as an RBI in the 1st, but it's a lot harder to get when the pressure is on. I have a lot more respect for a guy that gets that game winning homer in the bottom of the 9th w/2 out than one who hits a solo homer in the first.

One stat I would like to see is the number of walk-offs that Ortiz has and A-Rod. I can think of 3 off the top of my head for Ortiz but I'm sure that the number is more than that. I have no idea about A-Rod.
 
I completely agree with you. Ortiz doesn't even play defense. A-Rod is amazing on both sides of the bat. A-Rod has had his fair share of walk-offs too.

I also agree with you on the hitting part. Ortiz is clutch but that run in the 9th has the same affect on the game if it would have been in the 4th. However, it doesn't have the same affect on voting sadly enough. It's just the media coverage of it. It's all about timing during the game. Ortiz's runs are hyped up to be more than they are.

Oh, and A-Rod is the youngest player EVER to hit 400 home runs.
 
arod sure has done alot for the yankees.. how many series have they won since he's been on the squad? oh ya 0?
 
im2manly said:
lol this is A-rod's second year in the league. Anyway I'll tell you why A-rod should win it. Ok first off the only thing Ortiz beats A-rod in is rbi's....greatly due to Damon (hes a great leadoff hitter) I am almost certain A-rod has more game winning rbis, Arod can run my friends the guy has 20 sb's ortiz is slow as fuck, A-rod is playing gold glove 3rd base while ortiz doesnt play defense at all....another thing about playing defense, if anyone out here has ever played baseball they know that fielding affects your hitting, fielding gets you worn out which in trun affects your hitting. Now on the line up thing. no one batting behind A-rod is batting over 300, matsui only has 22 hrs (grant it he has over a 100 rbis, but that doesnt always mean he has alot of power), for the majority of the first half giambi was fucking horrible, posada has had a horrible year (but has come around lately), so basically the only person A-rod has had to hit behind has been sheffield and for the majority of the season sheffield was hitting 3rd and arod 4th. Now ortiz has manny and vartiek (who have had great years), you take ortiz away i no way believe it affects boston as bad as taking a-rod away from the yankees. Ortiz is way too one dimensional all he can do is hit, the fucker cant even run. you take away A-rod you the yankees lose their best hitter, there biggest base stealing threat (sine womack dont play), and arguablely their best fielder, you take ortiz awa all u lose is a bat ....plain and simple......i win lol
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yankees fan huh? i wondered why you didn't like bonds.. and i guarantee ill put money on it.. arod has no where near as many game winning rbi's as ortiz.. i dont even have to look it up.. put your money where your mouth is bro..
 
rudeboyja said:
I think the voters will take into consideration the fact that ARod & his wife are swingers
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very good point.. they should also take into consideration that he got punked by ashton kutcher and was such a bitch about it he wouldn't let him put it on tv.. what a fag..
 
Phaded said:
yankees fan huh? i wondered why you didn't like bonds.. and i guarantee ill put money on it.. arod has no where near as many game winning rbi's as ortiz.. i dont even have to look it up.. put your money where your mouth is bro..
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YES had the stats last weeked and A-Rod had one more GW RBI. David Ortiz is the most clutch player in baseball but that does not mean he is the MVP. If you took Manny of the Sox they would be 10 games out. Manny's 2 run homer last night was the biggest hit of the game for the sox.
 
I will make this short and sweet because we are in between innings. What does MVP mean??? The most valuable player right? So sleep on this one Take Davod Ortiz OUT of the lineup...are the Sox in the postion they are in right now?? NO 20 of his 47 HRs have tied or won the game for the sox.


Take Arod out of your lineup and they are still where they are tonight

Mo is the MVP of the Yankees, everyone knows that
 
DieselGunz said:
I will make this short and sweet because we are in between innings. What does MVP mean??? The most valuable player right? So sleep on this one Take Davod Ortiz OUT of the lineup...are the Sox in the postion they are in right now?? NO 20 of his 47 HRs have tied or won the game for the sox.


Take Arod out of your lineup and they are still where they are tonight

Mo is the MVP of the Yankees, everyone knows that
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serious pwnage.. I MEAN SERIOUS
 
Not to mention Giambi has been carrying the Yanks the past 2 months....Like was stated before...MVP is most valuable to there team.....that is Ortiz hands down... to many arguments for MO or Giambi for it to be Arod....plus Arod is a fag. :rainbow:
 
galaxy said:
Not to mention Giambi has been carrying the Yanks the past 2 months....Like was stated before...MVP is most valuable to there team.....that is Ortiz hands down... to many arguments for MO or Giambi for it to be Arod....plus Arod is a fag. :rainbow:
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Well I can say the same thing for Manny. Take Manny out of the lineup and lets see how Ortiz does.
 
bluehen said:
Well I can say the same thing for Manny. Take Manny out of the lineup and lets see how Ortiz does.
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Put Arod in another team and see where they are. Hitting behind Jeter and in front of Shef and Giambi?

Manny's putting up the same numbers he was before Ortiz was around. Go to Yahoo and pull up manny's 1998 stats with Cleveland. Almost identical in every category.
 
gotmilk said:
Put Arod in another team and see where they are. Hitting behind Jeter and in front of Shef and Giambi?

Manny's putting up the same numbers he was before Ortiz was around. Go to Yahoo and pull up manny's 1998 stats with Cleveland. Almost identical in every category.
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A-Rod 4-5 with a HR on the day the Yankees clinch the division.
 
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