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Why are steroids illegal and immoral?

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OK all.

I dont get this, why are usefel and SAFE drugs like steroids are getting such a bad
rep, and why is it illegal???


What is the point of making such great hormones illegal?


Safety? Well steroids are on the safest drugs out there. You cant overdose on them and die. The biggest possible side effect ever existing from anything is death.
You can die from "safe and legal" tylenol if you take 100 pills, you wont die if you take 100 pills of dbol.

Drinking alchohol isnt considered immoral or illeagal (if your over 21). Yet drinking KILLS 1000 of people each year in UNITED states alone.

Through entire steroid history of 50+ years, and millions of users only few people have died. Those people who died were few and it was their fault.

Drinking on other hand kills indiscriminately, innocent, healthy, or not. As you read this there probably have been an accident involving the usage of "safe legal and moral drug", alchohol.



Steroids can be related to your death if you majorly screw up, and your health is horrible to begin with. Howeever unlike smoking and drinking I WONT BE AFFECTED BY IT. You see safety isnt and issue here.

Ethnic/Moral reasons

(taken from tmag)
I mean, if a woman can get a false penis made and be prescribed hormones to help her become a man, and if a man can be prescribed hormones to grow breasts after his sex change operation, then why can't a man be given hormones to help him grow a little extra muscle?

In this country, a man can become a woman but it's against the law to become more of a man. It's really silly when you think about it. You can go get artificial pec implants, but you're not allowed to use a hormone that would help you grow your own pecs.

The main goal should be to keep steroids out of the hands of teenagers and those who don't know how to use them. If doctors were able to prescribe them, that would dry up a large part of the black market. At the very least, the laws against personal use should be relaxed. I'd much rather see law enforcement focusing on hard drugs and terrorists right now than trying to bust some guy who wants to increase his bench press.
end of tmag article my text follows)
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PROS of legalising steroids (and other drugs)

1st) Safety . it is much safer buying a product froma reputable AMERICAN manufacturer than some little dirty Sanchez from Mexico. By buying it off
an american company you are guranteed of quality (in most cases. )/

2nd)Money. Government can tax it and get more money for it pockets. More money = more funding left for other more important reasons.

3rd) Victory over drug dealers. By mass manufacturing goods in America you can make it cheap, you dont need to smuggle it over the boarder, you dont have dozens of middlemen trying toi get their cut, etc.
Drug dealers are now OUT of business.
Furthermore anyone can tell you that current war on drugs is a failure at best.

4th)More succesful War on Terrorism.
Instead of busting desperate guys trying to grow 2 inches on their arms and increase their bench press, police can now focus on REAL targets. terrorists, illeagal aliens, and all around security. Lets imagine a lineup from mexico to USA border. Border patrol notices a car with a big roided out user there. "it must be one of them, roids" Sargeant says and busts the guy. Then situation is repeated couple times, since it seems to be one of those days when everyguy is smuggling something to get big and ripped for the summer. unfortunately a terrorist is driving behind those roid heads, carying a nuclear weapon in the trunk. The border patrol decides to let few cars go , and the terrorist is now safely in USA. What follows then is a nuclear explosion that wipes out Washington. Great job. You busted few people who wanted to increase tehir gym performance, and the REAL fish that is actually harmful has now slipped through. Possibilities are scary...



Legalising drugs and lets roll to better future!

(ps. I dont take drugs. The views expressed are mine and are not nessesary expressed by insane community of average joes and janes. )
 
SSAlexSS, you're a good man. The answer to the question is: Revolution. Or fear of it. Same reason the people in power want to get rid of guns and free speech.
 
good post... as much as i agree with everything you have said if steroids were made more readily available then im sure the general population would be bigger and in better condition making it harder to look better than the average joe. If you get me?

TAILS
 
Because there is too many morons out there that get screwed up on them. Im glad there illegal, more for me, less for everyone who wants it and cant get it.
 
Mr_Pincushonass said:
Because there is too many morons out there that get screwed up on them. Im glad there illegal, more for me, less for everyone who wants it and cant get it.

Well, when you have all the connections that you need, you dont have to worry about it. But what if YOU or YOUR connection gets popped? Then how will you get your gear? How will you protect your dignity from inmates???


Furthermore, steroids could be prescribed and monitored BY DOCTORS , so you dont mess up. Arnold used lots of roids, yet he never screwed up and he didnt have any gyno problem. Why? he was using dbol>??!!!!

Doctor helped him. Hey you can screw up on aspirin and insulin worse than screwing up on roids! Insulin and aspirin isnt illeagal, so...
 
tails007 said:
good post... as much as i agree with everything you have said if steroids were made more readily available then im sure the general population would be bigger and in better condition making it harder to look better than the average joe. If you get me?

TAILS

Well, not so sure. First of all

1) It would be more competative, thus you would push your training and dieting further to be even better.... result?? You got a better body.


2nd)getting BIG and CUT takes more than just heavy constant steroid cycles! You need to actually TRAIN and EAT and RECUPERATE. Most joes and janes cant do that, result - you are bigger than them.


3rd)because you come to this site 9and other sites too) , you know MORE about steroids,training, and nutrition.
Knwledge = Power!

And hey. They would still waste time and money for steroid advice, while you can get it free from sites like this. Result? More money in your pocket to use on more gear, heheh///



So it is not so bad after all.
:)
 
James Maddox said:
SSAlexSS, you're a good man. The answer to the question is: Revolution. Or fear of it. Same reason the people in power want to get rid of guns and free speech.
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Thank you very much for such a good reply!
 
jstrong20 said:
Illegal? I don't know why

Imoral? They aren't!


If you live in US or Canada they are illegal!

Plus I just watched anti steroid commercial. BOOOO. There are so many books that talk about all these 'dangers of steroid use" that I want to end it all.
And what is worse, people actually beleive it!

About being immoral.

Tell the priest that you are using drugs and tell us (or better yet, record and upload it) his responce and all biblical citations he said to condemn the use of these "danger drugs". There will be lots of writing needed to be done.
 
there illegal because the government makes to much money on scripts and thats the Honest to gods truth.....It a money issue
 
muscleup said:
there illegal because the government makes to much money on scripts and thats the Honest to gods truth.....It a money issue

wouldnt they make more money if THEY produces and sold steroids, rather than make people pay MEXICANS??? And occasioanlly fine someone???

what scripts are you talking about?
 
but 99.9% of people around you do!

fuck what people think! If this country spent as much time cleaning up their own back yards as they do worring about everyone elses problems, it would be a far better place!
 
Re: but 99.9% of people around you do!

hardrock said:
fuck what people think! If this country spent as much time cleaning up their own back yards as they do worring about everyone elses problems, it would be a far better place!

Tell this to the DA or other cops , or feds!


If steroids had more positive "spin", many people wouldnt been arrested for such non-crime!!!
 
I agree, I don't think gear is emoral either, if it is then supplements & protien drinks would be too, its a muscle enhancing drug just because the egg heads pencil necks made it illegal don't mean its emoral to . just my 0.2 cents
 
The unauthorized use of anabolic steroids is wrong only b/c of a law prohibiting said use. Absent such a law, it's a morally indifferent act. It's not like abusing a child. We don't need a law to tell us that's wrong. Child abuse is evil in and of itself. Obviously, there's no moral turpitude involved with A.A.S. use.

There was a big hue and cry in the media about steroid use at the 1988 Olympics in general and by Ben Johnson, the notorious runner, in particular. Books like "A Death In The Locker Room", anti-steroid "After School Specials", former gear using athletes getting up on their soap boxes bashing gear, the I.O.C. and U.S.O.C. demonizing a.a.s. in the wake of the Johnson debacle, and the media blitz that followed it, etc, was too much for the politicians to take. Many of them were clamoring for the media spotlight as champions of the anti-steroid movement. It was political opportunism plain and simple. The Anabolic Steroid Control Act was snuck into the Omnibus Crime Control Bill of 1989 that was signed by president Bush, and the rest, as they say, is history. I don't know if the President was all that enthused about the the A.S.C.A., but their were things in that crime bill that he very much wanted. Remember, there was no line item veto back then. As President, he couldn't strike out any part of the bill without vetoing the whole bill. And he wasn't going to sacrifice that whole bill just to keep a.a.s. from becoming controlled substances.

Politics, ain't it a bitch?
 
blaster220 said:


Perfect answer. PERIOD.


Not so perfect, bro. While plenty of people have experienced negative side effects from a.a.s., that alone will not make a substance a scheduled drug. If that were the case, then alcohol would be off the shelves. How many people will die from alcohol abuse this year? Get killed in drunk driving crashes? How many people will cigs kill? How many people will die b/c of health complications brought on by obesity? You think whisky, Marlboro, or the whopper is on a controlled substance list? Nope. Though alcohol, tobacco, and fast food are messing more people up everyday than a.a.s. use could hope to do in a century. Whisky or Winstrol, which one do you think will yield greater political capital by outlawing? Outlawing a.a.s. was feel good stuff to the voting public. But, how do you think the voting public would have felt about losing Jack Daniels? The voting public would have been pissed! Jack will damn sure kill more people in a day than winny will in a hundred years. But the voting public wants their Jack, so he stays and winny goes. This ain't a democracy, it's a hypocrisy! That's where were at.
 
With all of the experience I have had, I believe that AAS must be by prescription only. I do not believe that AAS should be a controlled substance. It really doesn't fit into any class of meds in any of the Schedules. Almost all of the Scheduled meds are physically addicting and one could die from an overdose from most scheduled meds. This is not the case with AAS. Second, doctors would need to be educated in school and CE seminars on the practical use of AS and the ancillaries. Today, most drugs are used to treat diseases/symptoms and not used for prevention. The public/government has worked hard to eliminate the use of these meds in sports competition-this effort has failed. That's why the meds were Scheduled in the first place.

The private citizen, within reason, has the right to optimize their fitness and health. If that means doing HGH and Test injections, then so be it..The research points the way. But all of the ingredients discussed above must be present. Take a look around. Is every doctor practicing anti-aging/longevity medicine? DrJMW
 
Great post guys,
Alot of you are right.
1. If they were legalized there would be a bunch of morons abusing the shit out of them.
2. the gov't makes more off of illegal drugs than if they were legalized and could tax them. try 300 billion a year on illegal drugs.
3. By being illegal it keeps those who really want to be big mofo's , big mofo's with the exception of a the occasional idiot.
4. gear should be illegal but not a class 3 drug like heroin (that's politics for you).
5. If they were legal you think the gear would be that much cheaper? look at how fast the cost of health care is going up. it's almost doubling every year. old people give thier entire social security check for a few meds that control thier BP, and cholestoral. Of course, some would be cheaper than they are now but not by much.
5b. How much you want to bet the companies would make less effective gear if legalized. thier would be a flood of new drug companies making gear at who knows what dose.
6. If you look at the US people's reaction to bodybuilding you will find your answer. Sure, it's more popular than ever but not popular enough.
7. Ask yourself what your first thoughts of gear were before you knew anything about it. Or the first time you found out one of your huge friends or favorite BB used gear. It was a total mind fuck wasn't it. Multiply that by about 200 million americans and there is another reason why gear is illegal.
8. Bottom line the uneducated public is scared of anything they don't understand and will do anything to keep things the way they are because their afraid of change.
 
Illegal nobody knows for sure the reason probably because nobody spoke up for it

As for immoral there is NOTHING immoral or fake about steroids and the muscle you gain off them . Nobody calls iit imoral when a bald guy uses rogaine or porpecia in hopes of regrowing hair, nobody yells at people who buy colored contact lenses and that fake ,people dye there hair all the tiime , hell i knwo a girl who pulled a geek to hottie by dying her hair,geting blue contact lenses,boob job nobody thinks thats immoral
 
God forbid any poor joe wanted to stay natural after they were legalized. Talk about bieng chastized..."You can get AS at CVS and he looks like THAT!?"


I think they should be illegal, just descheduled.
 
Also to anybody who gives u the whole speech about the dangers of steroids to shut them up ask them to name a steroid besides testosterone because since there such experts they could probably name you these horrible drugs that have these horrid horrid side effects right? wrong!! i tried this on 6 people so far i mostly got well its not important the names , but the funniest answer i got was "o i can name you one gorilla hormones"
 
Re: 100 dbol pills haa

kamae said:
dude if you took 100 dbol pills at once you SURELY die haa haa

This steroid craze on TV is stupid..... Damn...

They think that creatine is steroids.,... noooo!
 
notpuff said:
Illegal nobody knows for sure the reason probably because nobody spoke up for it

As for immoral there is NOTHING immoral or fake about steroids and the muscle you gain off them . Nobody calls iit imoral when a bald guy uses rogaine or porpecia in hopes of regrowing hair, nobody yells at people who buy colored contact lenses and that fake ,people dye there hair all the tiime , hell i knwo a girl who pulled a geek to hottie by dying her hair,geting blue contact lenses,boob job nobody thinks thats immoral

Good point. You can put plastic in your body, or inject botox in your face, but you can't use steroids for cosmetic reasons. BULLSHIT! You should be able to go to a plastic surgeon and say, I want to be 300bls at 5% BF, and they should be able to right you a script for what ever you want. Along as the doc explained the risk and gives you blood tests and ancillary drugs, then what’s the problem. I don’t see a difference between the two, either legal or moral.
 
Mr_Pincushonass said:
Because there is too many morons out there that get screwed up on them. Im glad there illegal, more for me, less for everyone who wants it and cant get it.

There are more deaths and screw ups due to alcohol and tobacco usage than anything else so what are they still legal????????
 
bigkraut said:
The unauthorized use of anabolic steroids is wrong only b/c of a law prohibiting said use. Absent such a law, it's a morally indifferent act. It's not like abusing a child. We don't need a law to tell us that's wrong. Child abuse is evil in and of itself. Obviously, there's no moral turpitude involved with A.A.S. use.

There was a big hue and cry in the media about steroid use at the 1988 Olympics in general and by Ben Johnson, the notorious runner, in particular. Books like "A Death In The Locker Room", anti-steroid "After School Specials", former gear using athletes getting up on their soap boxes bashing gear, the I.O.C. and U.S.O.C. demonizing a.a.s. in the wake of the Johnson debacle, and the media blitz that followed it, etc, was too much for the politicians to take. Many of them were clamoring for the media spotlight as champions of the anti-steroid movement. It was political opportunism plain and simple. The Anabolic Steroid Control Act was snuck into the Omnibus Crime Control Bill of 1989 that was signed by president Bush, and the rest, as they say, is history. I don't know if the President was all that enthused about the the A.S.C.A., but their were things in that crime bill that he very much wanted. Remember, there was no line item veto back then. As President, he couldn't strike out any part of the bill without vetoing the whole bill. And he wasn't going to sacrifice that whole bill just to keep a.a.s. from becoming controlled substances.

Politics, ain't it a bitch?

Perfect answer - but you forgot to add that no politician now would ever sponser a bill to legalize aas. It would be political suicide because of public perception.
Now - if someone got up there and told the truth about how much money we are spending to try and stop aas and weed and prescription drugs from canada/mexico from entering this country and how much we would make if we just taxed the hell out of them like alcohol or cigs...then people would see the whole thing differently. People can make anything moral if there is money involved (cough, war, cough, oil)
 
Very good points made on this thread. I d never thought about the whole trans gender debate before! Thats f*cked up!

A Man cant use hormones to be more manly but can get it done for free if he wants to go the other way?????????!!!!!!!!!(in the uk they get it done on the NHS)

Thanks for bringing that up, im mad as hell now. :evil:

That whole transgender thing is an absolute crock. If i woke up tommorow, went to the doc and said i felt i was a dog born into a male humans body by mistake, I would be in the back of the fun wagon on my way to a secure unit before i could say Woof.

But if a man or woman decides that they were actualy born into the wrong body, its politically incorrect to label them as having a serious mental disorder and so they get their body changed. At least in the US its not paid for by taxes but if you live in the UK, youve got to pay for this madness!
 
Rod555 said:
At least in the US its not paid for by taxes but if you live in the UK, youve got to pay for this madness!

But you can get it paid for by insurance, which is close enough.
If a man wants to become a woman, he can do so for FREE.
But if he wants to be more manly, he can spend 5 years in the pokey.
 
Can anyone clear up for me how serious the whole legality of gear thing is in the US? Because it seems when asked about sources or any slightly incriminating information the US bros on this sight run a mile.
In the UK seroids are classed as a class C drug which would put them along side Valium, Tamazopan, stuff that you should have a perscription for, ie the least serious group, which never warrents police attention. i dont know anyone whos been busted for selling or possesing AS. And ive never heard of any busts on the news as i commonly hear about Weed, X, Smack, coke (very big at the moment in uk) etc. And to be honest, the police would not bother unless you were importing vast, vast amounts. They sure as hell wouldnt trawl through forums looking for ways to bust people!

Is it serious shit over there for you guys then?
 
It seems like everybody who posts in this thread is 100% for the legalization of steroids. Posting this in the AAS forum will likely get you this type of response. Posting this q here is like asking a group of Pro-Lifers, "Is abortion wrong?" Just a suggestion: Try posting this q in the general chat forum and see what people say.

You can't win an argument until you know what you're up against. Stop preaching to the choir and expand your horizons.

Just my .02
 
Uhhhhh maybe because ...... premature balding or hair loss
dizziness
mood swings, including anger, aggression, and depression
seeing or hearing things that aren't there (hallucinations)
extreme feelings of mistrust or fear (paranoia)
problems sleeping
nausea and vomiting
trembling
high blood pressure that can damage the heart or blood vessels over time
aching joints
greater chance of injuring muscles and tendons
jaundice or yellowing of the skin; liver damage
urinary problems
shortening of final adult height
increased risk of developing heart disease, stroke, and some types of cancer

Can experience acne, shrinkage of the testicles, lower sperm count, enlarged breasts, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, water retention, abnormal liver function and prostate enlargement. Women also might see elevated blood pressure and abnormal liver function, and they risk taking on male characteristics, such as a deepened voice and facial hair growth.

Now whoever the hell put all these ideas that you wrote about up the top into your mind about how steroids are good for you is really really really stupid! Wow..... and no wonder steroids are illegal..... they are dangerous want to here a long term effect?...... DEATH!!!!!
 
^^^ i haven't had a single one of those things ever happen to me.

if you already have some of those issues like lets say high blood pressure, then yeah steroids can make the problem worse. but a healthy ADULT male who juices responsibily and takes the right support supps there will be little to no effects that you wrote
 
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