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My uncle has a sportster for sale and I'm thinking about buying it. I've only ridden dirt bikes on few occasions. Post your feelings about Riding...
 
I used to have several. The first Harley I had was an 883 sportster. It was a real fun bike. I rode it all over the southeast. Around here you don't get quite the same return on a sportster as you do on the big bikes, but they are fun to ride. The only big problem I had with it was the size of the gas tank, it only held 2.25 gallons of gas and no gas gauge.
 
If you are going to get a Harley, then buy a big one.... or you'll wish you did.

Otherwise, buy a Jap bike with the savings.
 
No flame intended but Harley's are overpriced, unreliable, obsolete piece fo shit museum pieces. They are the most technologically deficient bikes. Death on wheels.

My honda CBR1100xx wil brake faster with the rear brake only then a Herley will with the front. Don't get me wrong, the are nice to look at and all, but put your money in something that's actually WORTH your money. LIke a Ducati, Honda, suzuki etc..
 
GinNJuice said:
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Otherwise, buy a Jap bike with the savings.


Ya, you'll save until you have to buy the insurance for that rice rocket brother. WAY WAY high. Plus, they depriciate by what 30% at LEAST as soon as you put your name on the pink slip. A Harley-Davidson(although I've never had one, unfortunately)is an investment similar to a house. They appreciate, and if you put some money into improving one, you can make a hefty markup. That being said, I see NOT how a rice rocket saves you money in the long run. Just a thought. No flame intended!:D:D
 
LOL, no flame taken.

I wasn't really refering to sport-bikes when I mentioned "Jap bike".

I was talking about the crusiers that you can buy for half the price and a fraction of the maintenance.

But yes, even the Jap crusiers depreciate (but not as fast as the sport-bikes)
 
GinNJuice said:
LOL, no flame taken.

I wasn't really refering to sport-bikes when I mentioned "Jap bike".

I was talking about the crusiers that you can buy for half the price and a fraction of the maintenance.

But yes, even the Jap crusiers depreciate (but not as fast as the sport-bikes)

Don't buy a bike thinking it will appreciate in value, that does not happen, ever, regardless of what harley leg-humpers tell you.

If the bike is a deal, buy it. If not don't.

If you're interested in bikes, then I suggest getting your license and test riding as many different styles you can:
Cruisers
Street Bikes
Sport Touring Bikes
Cafe Racers (crotch rockets)

Don't worry about price or even make until you decide on a style of bike.

Then narrow the field down to make, model etc.
 
Code said:


Don't buy a bike thinking it will appreciate in value, that does not happen, ever, regardless of what harley leg-humpers tell you.


Absolutely false. I know several guys who have bought just a basic Harley Model for around 7k(ish), chromed the shit out of it & whatnot, and made a nice markup.
 
Zerxes said:


Absolutely false. I know several guys who have bought just a basic Harley Model for around 7k(ish), chromed the shit out of it & whatnot, and made a nice markup.

Thats not appreciation, they had to pay to put the stuff on.

Appreciation is when it increases in value on it's own accord. When you add to your house you increase it's value but it's not due to market appreciation.
 
Code said:


Thats not appreciation, they had to pay to put the stuff on.

Appreciation is when it increases in value on it's own accord. When you add to your house you increase it's value but it's not due to market appreciation.


HUH?! I know what appreciation means bro. They put the parts on & YES they had to pay for them. Just as you would have to pay to have a shitty house(in a decent neighborhood)fixed up ya know?! You DO that so you can make a markup on it. Markup being you make more than the TOTAL amount invested in whatever it is you're selling. Its simple & needs no explaination. Thanks though.:D
 
Zerxes said:



HUH?! I know what appreciation means bro. They put the parts on & YES they had to pay for them. Just as you would have to pay to have a shitty house(in a decent neighborhood)fixed up ya know?! You DO that so you can make a markup on it. Markup being you make more than the TOTAL amount invested in whatever it is you're selling. Its simple & needs no explaination. Thanks though.:D

You cannot buy a sportster in 1980, garage is and expect to get more than you paid for it. This is the fallacy that harley pushers try to get people to believe.

The value of the bike will only increase in proportion (not greater than) the amount you put into it.

Very very few bikes raise in value, ever. Like an Arlen Ness.

You will never buy a harley for 18K and sell it for more than you bought (or put ) into it. Especially if you put miles on it.

Something appreciates when it is worth more than you both paid for AND put into it.
 
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I dont know about other parts of the country, but in the south Harleys definitely do not appreciate. Theres always hundreds for sale in the near vicinity. The good news is that bikes dont depreciate as bad as cars do. You can buy a bike (harley, or rice rocket, whatever) ride it for a couple hundred miles and sell it for close to what you paid. But thats mostly for rare bikes, like the latest gsxr or ninja.
 
Some harleys have been known to sell for 30% above cost.

But if you broke it down by cost to the owner you end up with a mere 5% appreciation.

Such bikes have litle or no miles on them and are usually rare or discontinued models.
 
How big are you??? Most large guys aren't comfortable on a sporty unless it is just for short trips. If you are going to do longer rides you will want a bigger bike but it will give you a good trade in when you are ready to get something else.
 
I'm with code on this.. I think appreciation isn't as much as people think on Harleys. Main thing is if you want it to appreciate at all you have to keep it immaculate and that means washing the thing weekly (I wash my bikes weekly anyways) and taking care of it. People mainly are so into the Harleys because of the Mystique of the name and it's history and badboy image. Everyone wants to be a badboy including all the weekend riding Lawyers, Dentists, and Businessmen. I own 2 Metric Customs and will put them up against any bike out there. If I was to shell out a whole lot of doh for a bike, it would most likely be an Indian model of some sort and a full dresser. I hear they don't handle that well but I'm in it for the slow cruise and just being seen on a nice bike. You can make any of the new model cruisers american or metric look killer with the right bolt ons and customing.
 
I like the fatboy style better than the sportster but I was thinking I might be able to get a real nice deal on this since my uncle owns it. Yes, I would prefer a bigger bike, I like the beefy look of the fatboy with fat tires and so forth. I'm sure I sound like a kook, because I have no idea about bikes. What are some other styles like the fatboy made by diferent manufactures. Any bikes out there for a real decent price. I'm going to look for Indian's website.
 
I ride a Harley now here is some advice.

Buy whatever you buy because it is the ride you want to ride.

Don't buy one type or another because of the cost or what you preceive the value to be down the road.

You wanna be happy, try a bunch of different rides out and buy the one that feels right to you.
 
If you can get a good enough deal on the sportster you can always "fatten" it up. Just add fat bob tanks, change the front end, and the fenders, it will cost money, but I have seen some very cool looking sportsters.
 
Someone above mentioned maintenance costs being high on Harleys. I have put many miles on my Low Rider and it has been infallable. It has a rubber mount engine that isolates vibration and as a result: maintenance.

I don't expect my FXDL to appreciate, but it won't be a complete loss like a car or any rice made bike would be.

For me riding a Harley is about pride, kinda like driving an expensive car. Aside from training, there is nothing I like better than to sit in the sun on a Sunday morning and get all my chrome PERFECT...not speck anywhere, and then go on nice long ride.
 
do you think an in experienced rider should go straight to a harley? If I'm going to buy a bike I want it to be the one I want, but I don't want to fuck it up because of in-experience.
 
How many years do you have on dirt bikes?

My 883 was only the second street bike that I rode. I used to ride dirt bikes all the time before that though and I didn't have any problem. The main thing is to respect the bike, don't be afraid of it, but show it the respect that it deserves. Bikes can be very unforgiving.
 
The main reason Harley's are chosen (aside from that trailer park machismo) is that they are forgiving bikes.
 
big4life said:
How many years do you have on dirt bikes?


not really any, just have ridden them before...not real dirt bikes like today's dirt bike, I'm talking 1970 Honda dirt bike. My buddy had a couple and we used to ride them when we were younger. Virtually I am totally in experienced.
 
Oh, then maybe you want to look into a used smaller bike, just to learn on. You can find some cheap Honda's and stuff like that around.

Or you could always ask your uncle to help you learn. I tought my nephews on my 883, and they didn't have any problems.
 
that's the thing, I don't want to have to spend money on a shit bike. If he could teach me I'd go that route.
 
gwl9dta4 said:
No flame intended but Harley's are overpriced, unreliable, obsolete piece fo shit museum pieces. They are the most technologically deficient bikes. Death on wheels.

My honda CBR1100xx wil brake faster with the rear brake only then a Herley will with the front. Don't get me wrong, the are nice to look at and all, but put your money in something that's actually WORTH your money. LIke a Ducati, Honda, suzuki etc..


You can't put a price on mystique.........however you're partially correct.

Who cares whether your rice burner will brake faster? You'll need it to.....to watch us SweatHawgs picking up the girlies.
;)
 
Iwan2bsolid2 said:
that's the thing, I don't want to have to spend money on a shit bike. If he could teach me I'd go that route.


I'd get a small little shitbike just the same to take your test on brother, assuming that they don't have one there that people can use. They are alot easier to learn to do "figure 8's" on than it would be a larger bike of say 400 or more pounds. Plus, you might dump it a few times learning to do them. I dumped my Suzuki Katana 600 a few years back during the drivers test, because I wasn't prepared to do the tight figure 8's that they wanted you to do with that heavy of bike. I failed, but I think that I had them downpat by the end of that day. Just a suggestion.
 
Cold!!

I have a Harley Sporster 883. I love the way it looks and take a lot of pleasure from cruising along on it.
The biggest downside that I've experienced is how cold they are to ride. Bikes with fairing provide far more protection from cold wids.......as a result my Harley sits in the garage waiting for the few times a year I can take it out!!
 
Code said:
The main reason Harley's are chosen (aside from that trailer park machismo) is that they are forgiving bikes.

Wow, someone hates Harleys... What do you mean by trailer park machismo??? Maybe, just MAYBE people prefer the sound or looks of a Harley to the Jap bikes... Or maybe it's the legend that attracts them??? whatever the reason, who are you to talk shit about the bikes themselves? NONE of my Hogs, even my little piece of shit '74 iron head sporty has EVER left me stranded. Yes, some of the new Jap cruisers are nice bikes, but NONE compare to the sound of a Harley, I don't care what kind of pipes you put on them. They just don't compare. As far as looks go, again, the jap cruisers are nice looking (some of them), but they just don't have that little something that stirs the soul like a Hog does. And maintenance-wise, Harleys are now just as well built as the others. This may not have been true years ago, but now, with isolation mounting, belt drive, wet clutches, the list goes on and on... And let me tell you another thing, the prices are not all that far off either, just go look at a new Yamaha V-star, or Kawi Vulcan. Factory stock, some of these "much cheaper" Jap bikes are upwards of $14k. For the $2-3k difference, my money is going to a Harley. Resale value, no matter what ANYONE says, is WAYYYY higher than the jap bikes, even after you put miles on it. Right no, you could go to a Harley dealer in Meredith, NH, buy a BRAND NEW '03 optioned Heritage Softail for list, (about $17200), ride it away, put 1500 or so miles on it, and a month later sell it for $19k. period. don't believe me??? look at Ebay, it happens all the time... Even if you have it a few years, and ride it frequently, you'll STILL be able to come up almost even money. Show me a car or a jap bike, or ANY OTHER VEHICLE IN THE WORLD, that after it's a few years old, you can sell it for ANYWHERE EVEN CLOSE to what you paid for it.....
 
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Taffy said:
.......as a result my Harley sits in the garage waiting for the few times a year I can take it out!!

That's why I love Southern California.

Nice post FLASHMAN1


And where could I go about getting a "shit" bike to learn on, what kind would be good, ebay? Auto Trader? How much should I expect to pay? Thanks peeps.
 
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Iwan2bsolid2 said:


That's why I love Southern California.

Nice post FLASHMAN1


And where could I go about getting a "shit" bike to learn on, what kind would be good, ebay? Auto Trader? How much should I expect to pay? Thanks peeps.

I personally wouldn't spend any more than $1,000 on a "learner" bike, look throught the want ads or your local paper for an 80's yamaha or honda cruiser. Ride that P.O.S. for 6 months, so you can get used to balancing a heavy bike (some of the older jap bikes are VERY clumsy), and then you'll be ready to be spoiled by the ease of balancing and controlling a Harley...

A buddy of mine bought his first bike EVER 2 years ago. (Fatboy) He had not ridden anything but a dirtbike in the past, and the last time he rode one of those was like 10 years before... He has never even dropped his bike, not even when I was teaching him to ride... Harleys are in a league of thier own when it comes to ease of use, that's for sure. I personally don't like sportsters anymore, simply because thier center of gravity is higher than that of the bigger bikes, making them slightly harder to ride. My favorite bike (that I've actually owned) up to now was my Heritage Softail... Comfortable, easy to ride, versatile, great for a Saturday night barhopping run or for a ride out to Sturgis. And let's face it......... Ask any WOMAN (excluding 16-year old airheads) whether they prefer a man on a dressed up harley or on a crotch rocket, and see what they say.... If they say they prefer the sportbike (they're few and far between), give 'em a ride on your Harley, and thier mind will be changed for good!!!!! trust me...........
 
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FLASHMAN1 said:


I personally wouldn't spend any more than $1,000 on a "learner" bike, look throught the want ads or your local paper for an 80's yamaha or honda cruiser. Ride that P.O.S. for 6 months, so you can get used to balancing a heavy bike (some of the older jap bikes are VERY clumsy), and then you'll be ready to be spoiled by the ease of balancing and controlling a Harley...


Heh what a crock of shit, i think you got it reversed boy. Harleys are clumsy as hell. Jap bikes are very well balanced with a very low center of gravity, they are engineering achievements that Harley can't even touch. Hell they had to hire Porsche to design a new engine. They are worhtless i tell you, worthless.
 
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gwl9dta4 said:



Heh what a crock of shit, i think you got it reversed boy. Harleys are clumsy as hell. Jap bikes are very well balanced with a very low center of gravity, they are engineering achievements that Harley can't even touch. Hell they had to hire Porsche to design a new engine. They are worhtless i tell you, worthless.


BOY?!?!?! Christ, I'm not even going to go there... First of all, unless you have owned bikes on BOTH SIDES like I have and others have, shut your swollen face-anus.... I've owned jap bikes, and I never said that they were junk, I just personally prefer harleys. Unless you've ridden a motorcycle long distance, (i.e. not one of those jerk-offs that wheelies from bar to bar on your rice rocket, while I chug by and pick up the chicks) you shouldn't be talking about how comfortable and easy to manage they are. I guess a Harley COULD be clumsy if you're a little pansy douchebag that's 100#'s soaking wet in corduroys. They are HEAVY, yes, but heavy and clumsy are completely different things.... I guess you must be weaker than my 5'2" 110# girlfriend that used to take out my Heritage all the time if you think they're clumsy. Either that or you're just one of those little speed racer wannabe's that tiptoes at stoplights on your CBR that couldn't even handle riding BITCH on a Harley. I'm thinking you're a combo of both.....
 
Iwan2bsolid2 said:

Bottom line, if you can get a good deal on your uncle's sporty, BUY IT!!! get used to riding, and in a year or so, sell it. (you'll probably come up even money) and go buy a bigger bike at that point. My first street bike was a Honda Hurricane 1000 (some of you older fuckers like me will remember this one), and it was a great bike. But even though it only weighed like 500#, it was still harder to negotiate slow speed turns, stoplights, and FORGET about riding long distance, unless you consider looking like Quasimodo when you get off your scoot a fun time..... That bike was great when I was 16, but the first time I rode a Harley, that was it, I was hooked.... Now I'm in the process of building my dream chopper..... ahhhhhhhhh
 
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FLASHMAN1 said:
BOY?!?!?! Christ, I'm not even going to go there... First of all, unless you have owned bikes on BOTH SIDES like I have and others have, shut your swollen face-anus.... I've owned jap bikes, and I never said that they were junk, I just personally prefer harleys.

Swollen face anus? Hmm, my "boy" remark got you that rallied up? Well boy, if i ever catch you tlking to me like this in the real world, Mr internet tough guy, I will pull your fag harley riding ass off your bike and do a burnout between your ass cheeks, you leather chaps wearing freak.

Unless you've ridden a motorcycle long distance, (i.e. not one of those jerk-offs that wheelies from bar to bar on your rice rocket, while I chug by and pick up the chicks) you shouldn't be talking about how comfortable and easy to manage they are.

You of all people should know that in reality most harley owners use them to bar hop from truck stop to truck stop to pickup toothless hoes.

I guess a Harley COULD be clumsy if you're a little pansy douchebag that's 100#'s soaking wet in corduroys. They are HEAVY, yes, but heavy and clumsy are completely different things....

Actually, Heavy and Clumsy are closely related. Simple physics when subject to the law of gravity. They are closely related, dumbass.

I guess you must be weaker than my 5'2" 110# girlfriend that used to take out my Heritage all the time if you think they're clumsy

She did not think i was clumsy last night

. Either that or you're just one of those little speed racer wannabe's that tiptoes at stoplights on your CBR that couldn't even handle riding BITCH on a Harley. I'm thinking you're a combo of both.....

It takes a someone with at least a pre school education to look at specs sheets on Japanese and Harley Bikes to conclude that Harleys are Underengineered and inferior, BUT good at selling an image. Yes harley does not sell a good motorcycle, they sell a good image. And incidentally i DO ride a CBR. The CBR1100XX. You could never handle a beast like that for you are a slow, inferior rider of mediocre skill at best. So stick to harleys boy.
 
FLASHMAN1 said:


Wow, someone hates Harleys... What do you mean by trailer park machismo??? Maybe, just MAYBE people prefer the sound or looks of a Harley to the Jap bikes...

Buying a bike for sound and looks???
Sounds like uninformed trailer trash to me.
 
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gwl9dta4 said:
Swollen face anus? Hmm, my "boy" remark got you that rallied up? Well boy, if i ever catch you tlking to me like this in the real world, Mr internet tough guy, I will pull your fag harley riding ass off your bike and do a burnout between your ass cheeks, you leather chaps wearing freak.

Well, you're calling me "Mr internet tough guy", yet you're the one making threats. Hmmmm, that's intelligent. Tell you what, since you're so intent on catch me talking to you like that in person, which I most certianly would, I'll gladly tell you how I can be found so you can test your theory, and see how anxious you are to "rip my fag harley riding ass" off my bike then. Yes, your "boy" comment annoyed me, I don't think anyone likes being called boy. I was definitely unnecessary, and ignorant. So I responded in kind.


You of all people should know that in reality most harley owners use them to bar hop from truck stop to truck stop to pickup toothless hoes.

Anyone who is tall enough to reach the magazine rack in thier local supermarket can pick up a motorcycle mag and see the kind of "toothless hoes" that hang around Harley riders :rolleyes: You will in fact see some of the hottest women you've ever seen at any rally, pick one... whereas, for the most part, sportbike riders get the 16 year old girls that think you look cool pulling a wheelie.

Actually, Heavy and Clumsy are closely related. Simple physics when subject to the law of gravity. They are closely related, dumbass.

what I mean when I said heavy and clumsy are different, they are, in this way.... Deadlift 500 lbs on a bar (if you can) now try to lift a 500 lb refrigerator. Which one is clumsier to lift? By your rationale, they should be equally difficult to lift, right??? WRONG!!! weight that is properly balanced on a bar is ALWAYS easier to lift and control than something unbalanced and hard to grip. Liken that to the comparison of you, the pillow biter, riding your high center of gravity, tippy, crotch rocket which is in fact LIGHTER than even the sportster 1200, to me, riding a bike that has a 25.5" seat height and a leaned back riding position. Try both, trust me, you'll grudgingly agree. Anyways when explaining it that way, heavy and clumsy, are not as closely related as you portrayed them to be, DUMBASS.

She did not think i was clumsy last night

A LAME attempt at a comeback, you couldn't have thought of anything better than that??? :rolleyes: you tore me up on that one :FRlol:

It takes a someone with at least a pre school education to look at specs sheets on Japanese and Harley Bikes to conclude that Harleys are Underengineered and inferior, BUT good at selling an image. Yes harley does not sell a good motorcycle, they sell a good image. And incidentally i DO ride a CBR. The CBR1100XX. You could never handle a beast like that for you are a slow, inferior rider of mediocre skill at best. So stick to harleys boy.

Yes, they are GREAT marketers, and I never once said anything to detract from the Japanese Engineering, However what I did say was that they (Harley) has made quantum leaps in the motorcycle game in the past 20 years, and the unreliable Harleys of the AMF era are long gone. People like you, however, like to try to keep the facade of unreliability alive to discredit the progress they have made. As far as your laffable attempt to try to say I couldn't handle your less than superior CBR, :FRlol: tell you what, take a couple of high speed passes through some high speed twisties on a Hayabusa, and after you shit your pants, get back on your CBR :FRlol: and ride away in shame. You have no clue about my riding skills. I ride Harleys because I prefer them, period, not because of the image, or any other reason.... Don't worry I'll stick to Harleys, you stick to your Vanilla Ice bike, and we'll all be happy, and no more :argue:

P.S. My Chopper is almost finished, so anytime you want to race a 1/4 mile run, your CBR :FRlol: against my "inferior piece of shit" Harley, just come on up. But don't cry when you get dusted.... BOY....
 
Code said:


Buying a bike for sound and looks???
Sounds like uninformed trailer trash to me.

Calling someone trailer trash because they buy a car or bike because of how it looks is just plain stupid. There are a LOT of people who buy Ferrari's based solely on how they look, are they trailer trash also? How about Arnold? He has what, 5 Hummers? those things aren't pictures of reliability, is he also trailer trash? You say that Harleys are unreliable, where is your data to support that? When you DO see a Harley that is broken down on the side of the road, try to notice how old the bike is. The last one I pulled over for was a '48 panhead. you show me ONE jap bike that's over 50 years old and still roadworthy. you can't, no way..... food for thought....
 
Like trailer trash can afford to drop $18000-$22000 on a bike. My cousin is married to a guy that owns one of the largest Yamaha/Kawasaki dealerships in the state, he is working on buying a HD dealership because he really has to ride what he sells and he wants to ride a HD because in his opinion Harley makes a better cruiser. This is a fairly bright guy, he started with nothing and is looking at a franchise that requires $750000 in LIQUID assets before they will even talk to you - definitely can't call him trailer trash.
 
Temple01 said:
Like trailer trash can afford to drop $18000-$22000 on a bike. My cousin is married to a guy that owns one of the largest Yamaha/Kawasaki dealerships in the state, he is working on buying a HD dealership because he really has to ride what he sells and he wants to ride a HD because in his opinion Harley makes a better cruiser. This is a fairly bright guy, he started with nothing and is looking at a franchise that requires $750000 in LIQUID assets before they will even talk to you - definitely can't call him trailer trash.

Thank you, my point exactly.... Even some of the guys who ride Jap cruisers will tell you that the ONLY reason they didn't buy a Harley is because they couldn't afford one, so they settled for the next best thing, a look-alike. I'm not dogging guys who ride Jap bikes in general, because like I said in a previous post, I believe they do make reliable bikes, but the ultimate cruiser is a Harley, always will be....
 
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Flashman you are so fucking stupid it baffles me. You stated the HAyabusa in your previous post and ditched the cbr1100xx. Anyone that knows or appreciates anything about motorcycle engineering would laugh at your comparison. My CBR 1100XX is 5hp short on the hayabusa, big fucking deal. It more then makes up in other aspects. And any motorcycle connesouir will know they are 2 different class of machines. As far as speed and me handling a bike, does 170mph in a turn impress you? How about well worn pegs on a 550lb bike with a 255lb rider? Can you do that?

Harley's may have improved leaps and bounds, but they only caught up from the 1940's to the 1970's technology. Their engines are joke, they have the weakest HP output per cc of any bikes manufactured today. And they sell the American image, which i think is cool, but most of the newer technology in them is from Europe and Japan. Their new model with the Porshe made powerplant still has MAJOR engineering flaws, like solid wheels. I need not tell you what solid wheels do in cross winds on a highway. Face it, HArley has lost a huge future market share, as their current crop of buyers is aging and are not getting replaced by young people, they will be in trouble and they know it. The motorcycles are of low quality outdated parts and that is a fact. Put 60,000 miles on one and i guarantee you, it will not hold up without some major work, at least twice. That is the point i am making.
 
Thank God for HEAVY bikes...my husband just called and told me that he hit a small deer this morning. It was one of those things where there it was just there, no avoiding it. The bike is fine, he is fine, the deer is not so fine.
 
Temple01 said:
Thank God for HEAVY bikes...my husband just called and told me that he hit a small deer this morning. It was one of those things where there it was just there, no avoiding it. The bike is fine, he is fine, the deer is not so fine.


OUCH!!!!:(

Glad he is OK.:angel:
 
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gwl9dta4 said:
Flashman you are so fucking stupid it baffles me. You stated the HAyabusa in your previous post and ditched the cbr1100xx. Anyone that knows or appreciates anything about motorcycle engineering would laugh at your comparison. My CBR 1100XX is 5hp short on the hayabusa, big fucking deal. It more then makes up in other aspects. And any motorcycle connesouir will know they are 2 different class of machines. As far as speed and me handling a bike, does 170mph in a turn impress you? How about well worn pegs on a 550lb bike with a 255lb rider? Can you do that?

Actually, Like I said before, I HAVE owned sportbikes before, and though I don't weigh 255 (I'm 220, but I'm also only 5'8") I Wore the pegs on on my old Hurricane so bad that I had to replace them twice, and spent a ton of time on my pegs and knee sliders on my ZX-11D carving the canyons in Southern CA when I was stationed out there in the military. 170 in a turn? that IS impressive, if speed in turns is your only concern. I used to ride like a maniac too, but with time, that got old, and I started becoming more concerned with creature comfort. And yes, I agree w/you that the Hayabusa IS a different class of machine than the CBR, but it's the only big-cc sportbike I've ridden in a number of years, so it was the only comparison that I could make from experience.

Harley's may have improved leaps and bounds, but they only caught up from the 1940's to the 1970's technology.

the new twin cam is an excellent motor, on par with it's leading Japanese competitors, CRUISER-wise.

Their engines are joke, they have the weakest HP output per cc of any bikes manufactured today.

Like I said, when compared to sportbikes, of course, thier hp numbers pale in comparison. But when compared to other cruisers, they're very close.

And they sell the American image, which i think is cool, but most of the newer technology in them is from Europe and Japan. Their new model with the Porshe made powerplant still has MAJOR engineering flaws, like solid wheels. I need not tell you what solid wheels do in cross winds on a highway.

from that standpoint, you're absolutely correct, I hate those solid wheels, not only are they ugly, but they're dangerous as well. However, I have ridden a VROD, and it is a fun bike to ride. Cool looks (except for the wheels), good power, and so on.

Face it, HArley has lost a huge future market share, as their current crop of buyers is aging and are not getting replaced by young people, they will be in trouble and they know it.

I don't agree here... A lot of younger kids that I talk to (16-25 age range), are buying sportbikes/Jap cruisers, and telling me they wish they could afford a Harley because of the sound, looks, etc. A lot of what they sell IS in fact the legend , the mystique, whatever you want to call it, that is true, but to say that they're losing ground, couldn't be farther from the truth. Most Harleys are sold before they even hit the dealers' showrooms, how many Japanese companies can that be said about??? Not one that I can think of.

The motorcycles are of low quality outdated parts and that is a fact. Put 60,000 miles on one and i guarantee you, it will not hold up without some major work, at least twice. That is the point i am making.

I don't agree here either.... I HAVE put WELL over 60,000 miles on a few of my Harleys, including my '74 sportster (my first Harley) and I have not had to do a rebuild, or any really MAJOR fixes... Also, my uncle has a '98 Ultra Classic Electra Glide w/about 81k on it, and all he's ever done is the recommended lubes and services. Like I said before, that may have been true in the 70's and early 80's, but since the inception of the EVO motor in '84, those days are gone.... I'm not saying they never break, but it's not even close to as bad as you've made it sound.

Let me say this, I'm not AGAINST other bikes, I just prefer Harleys. I've ridden MANY styles and brand names of bikes. I've owned many also. I like ALL motorcycles. I've never said Japanese bikes' engineering is inferior, I'm merely stating that the gap is not as wide as it was 25 years ago. No hard feelings bro, I just think a lot of people who talk a lot of shit and claim to know so much have never even ridden a Harley.
 
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Temple01 said:
Like trailer trash can afford to drop $18000-$22000 on a bike. My cousin is married to a guy that owns one of the largest Yamaha/Kawasaki dealerships in the state, he is working on buying a HD dealership because he really has to ride what he sells and he wants to ride a HD because in his opinion Harley makes a better cruiser. This is a fairly bright guy, he started with nothing and is looking at a franchise that requires $750000 in LIQUID assets before they will even talk to you - definitely can't call him trailer trash.

Umm, most HD's can be purchased far under 15k. So yeah, you and all your trailer trash buddies can afford one.
 
Code said:


Umm, most HD's can be purchased far under 15k. So yeah, you and all your trailer trash buddies can afford one.

Wow, you'd think that if you're going to trash people, you'd at least research it first. In fact, MOST Harleys are over 15k. The only ones that are "well below" 15k as you stated are the sportsters. others that are SLIGHTLY below, are the Softail Standard (around 14k and change) and the Superglide. ALL other softails, tourers, and low riders are OVER 15k. It really makes me laugh that you say that trailer trash are riding Harleys. That cracks me up.... Most "trailer trash" can't afford thier rent, nevermind a car or motorcycle, and how do you explain guys like Shaq, Mickey Rourke, Sly, Arnold, Chuck Zito? Are they all trash also??? I'm just trying to make sure I have a grip on your ridiculous stereotyping of people who ride Harleys.... people like you crack me up....
 
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Umm, most HD's can be purchased far under 15k. So yeah, you and all your trailer trash buddies can afford one.

I paid $19500 for mine, guess maybe I got took...and you are absolutely right, I am trailer trash, if we are counting my 32' motor home.
:lmao:
 
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Umm, most HD's can be purchased far under 15k. So yeah, you and all your trailer trash buddies can afford one.

Where? :confused:


I paid right at 15,000 for my last one, that was in 1999 and sold it for 18,000.
 
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Where? :confused:


I paid right at 15,000 for my last one, that was in 1999 and sold it for 18,000.

Bob Dron in the Bay Area (one in Livermore and one in Oakland) has a stock Vrod for 16,650. And dozens of bikes under 15k.
 
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Wow, you'd think that if you're going to trash people, you'd at least research it first. In fact, MOST Harleys are over 15k. The only ones that are "well below" 15k as you stated are the sportsters. others that are SLIGHTLY below, are the Softail Standard (around 14k and change) and the Superglide. ALL other softails, tourers, and low riders are OVER 15k. It really makes me laugh that you say that trailer trash are riding Harleys. That cracks me up.... Most "trailer trash" can't afford thier rent, nevermind a car or motorcycle, and how do you explain guys like Shaq, Mickey Rourke, Sly, Arnold, Chuck Zito? Are they all trash also??? I'm just trying to make sure I have a grip on your ridiculous stereotyping of people who ride Harleys.... people like you crack me up....

Celebrities consider riding the HD (wearing chaps and queer leathers) as "slumming it" for a reason.
 
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Celebrities consider riding the HD (wearing chaps and queer leathers) as "slumming it" for a reason.

That's funny, some celebs enjoy "slumming" as you call it so much that they do it every weekend.... hmmmmm

Also, I love to see all you webtoughguys that talk so much shit about someone wearing "chaps and gay leathers". Makes me laugh to know that you'd never say that in the presence of a buch of those same "queers" :rolleyes: I'd LOVE to see you tell someone like Chuck Zito that his leathers make him look like a fag. :FRlol:
 
Code said:


Bob Dron in the Bay Area (one in Livermore and one in Oakland) has a stock Vrod for 16,650. And dozens of bikes under 15k.

Well, I call BULLSHIT on the price of that VROD... If it's brand new, MSRP is $18995. I don't care how "aggressive" thier pricing is, NO FUCKING WAY is ANY Harley dealer in the country going to sell ANY Harley for $2k under MSRP. NO WAY!!! As far as the others, I'm sure there ARE a BUNCH of SPORTSTERS for less than 15k.... but I'll bet not one single big bike..... nice try though...
 
ok, here's a link to my uncles bike. I found out it's a softail standard 1999 FXST...he's asking 15,500. He said he couldn't ask less than 15, 000.

http://www.recycler.com/asp/AdDetails.asp?iID=7709&sBAC=714&bSQ=0

still under warrenty till april 03, 13k miles, mag rims - has the spoke rims too, has 4 seats, saddle bags, helmet, 2 dif sissy backs, forward control, screaming eagle exhaust, lowered, fat tire, chrome, steel braided line's for throttle clutch.


what do you think? Good deal or no?



Here is a similar one for 12,500. it says it only has 700 miles- but that has to be a missprint.

http://adcache.cycletrader.com/5/0/4/30670704.htm



Which one would you go for? BTW, my uncle is a mechanic so I know his bike is in great condition.
 
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If you can, try checking with your local H-D dealer and see what the wait is for a new standard or a nightrain. The new motors are so much more smoother than the 1340's. I know when I got my last one, a nightrain, I only waited like 2 months before he called and said that it was coming in at the end of the month.

As for the millage that one bike had, I would guess he meant 7,000 not 700.

Your uncle's bike sounds like a good deal if he is going to give you all the extras that he has. I would still check with the local dealer.
 
big thanks for the response bro. Yeah, he's going to throw in all the extra's - that is one reason why I think it's worth the price...plus that he is a mechanic and I know how he treats his bikes. So, if I ever had a prob he'd totally help me with it. I really like the looks of it too.
 
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