GinNJuice said:.
Otherwise, buy a Jap bike with the savings.
GinNJuice said:LOL, no flame taken.
I wasn't really refering to sport-bikes when I mentioned "Jap bike".
I was talking about the crusiers that you can buy for half the price and a fraction of the maintenance.
But yes, even the Jap crusiers depreciate (but not as fast as the sport-bikes)
Code said:
Don't buy a bike thinking it will appreciate in value, that does not happen, ever, regardless of what harley leg-humpers tell you.
Zerxes said:
Absolutely false. I know several guys who have bought just a basic Harley Model for around 7k(ish), chromed the shit out of it & whatnot, and made a nice markup.
Code said:
Thats not appreciation, they had to pay to put the stuff on.
Appreciation is when it increases in value on it's own accord. When you add to your house you increase it's value but it's not due to market appreciation.
Zerxes said:
HUH?! I know what appreciation means bro. They put the parts on & YES they had to pay for them. Just as you would have to pay to have a shitty house(in a decent neighborhood)fixed up ya know?! You DO that so you can make a markup on it. Markup being you make more than the TOTAL amount invested in whatever it is you're selling. Its simple & needs no explaination. Thanks though.![]()
big4life said:How many years do you have on dirt bikes?
gwl9dta4 said:No flame intended but Harley's are overpriced, unreliable, obsolete piece fo shit museum pieces. They are the most technologically deficient bikes. Death on wheels.
My honda CBR1100xx wil brake faster with the rear brake only then a Herley will with the front. Don't get me wrong, the are nice to look at and all, but put your money in something that's actually WORTH your money. LIke a Ducati, Honda, suzuki etc..
Iwan2bsolid2 said:that's the thing, I don't want to have to spend money on a shit bike. If he could teach me I'd go that route.
Code said:The main reason Harley's are chosen (aside from that trailer park machismo) is that they are forgiving bikes.
Taffy said:.......as a result my Harley sits in the garage waiting for the few times a year I can take it out!!
Iwan2bsolid2 said:
That's why I love Southern California.
Nice post FLASHMAN1
And where could I go about getting a "shit" bike to learn on, what kind would be good, ebay? Auto Trader? How much should I expect to pay? Thanks peeps.
FLASHMAN1 said:
I personally wouldn't spend any more than $1,000 on a "learner" bike, look throught the want ads or your local paper for an 80's yamaha or honda cruiser. Ride that P.O.S. for 6 months, so you can get used to balancing a heavy bike (some of the older jap bikes are VERY clumsy), and then you'll be ready to be spoiled by the ease of balancing and controlling a Harley...
gwl9dta4 said:
Heh what a crock of shit, i think you got it reversed boy. Harleys are clumsy as hell. Jap bikes are very well balanced with a very low center of gravity, they are engineering achievements that Harley can't even touch. Hell they had to hire Porsche to design a new engine. They are worhtless i tell you, worthless.
Iwan2bsolid2 said:
FLASHMAN1 said:BOY?!?!?! Christ, I'm not even going to go there... First of all, unless you have owned bikes on BOTH SIDES like I have and others have, shut your swollen face-anus.... I've owned jap bikes, and I never said that they were junk, I just personally prefer harleys.
Swollen face anus? Hmm, my "boy" remark got you that rallied up? Well boy, if i ever catch you tlking to me like this in the real world, Mr internet tough guy, I will pull your fag harley riding ass off your bike and do a burnout between your ass cheeks, you leather chaps wearing freak.
Unless you've ridden a motorcycle long distance, (i.e. not one of those jerk-offs that wheelies from bar to bar on your rice rocket, while I chug by and pick up the chicks) you shouldn't be talking about how comfortable and easy to manage they are.
You of all people should know that in reality most harley owners use them to bar hop from truck stop to truck stop to pickup toothless hoes.
I guess a Harley COULD be clumsy if you're a little pansy douchebag that's 100#'s soaking wet in corduroys. They are HEAVY, yes, but heavy and clumsy are completely different things....
Actually, Heavy and Clumsy are closely related. Simple physics when subject to the law of gravity. They are closely related, dumbass.
I guess you must be weaker than my 5'2" 110# girlfriend that used to take out my Heritage all the time if you think they're clumsy
She did not think i was clumsy last night
. Either that or you're just one of those little speed racer wannabe's that tiptoes at stoplights on your CBR that couldn't even handle riding BITCH on a Harley. I'm thinking you're a combo of both.....
It takes a someone with at least a pre school education to look at specs sheets on Japanese and Harley Bikes to conclude that Harleys are Underengineered and inferior, BUT good at selling an image. Yes harley does not sell a good motorcycle, they sell a good image. And incidentally i DO ride a CBR. The CBR1100XX. You could never handle a beast like that for you are a slow, inferior rider of mediocre skill at best. So stick to harleys boy.
FLASHMAN1 said:
Wow, someone hates Harleys... What do you mean by trailer park machismo??? Maybe, just MAYBE people prefer the sound or looks of a Harley to the Jap bikes...
gwl9dta4 said:Swollen face anus? Hmm, my "boy" remark got you that rallied up? Well boy, if i ever catch you tlking to me like this in the real world, Mr internet tough guy, I will pull your fag harley riding ass off your bike and do a burnout between your ass cheeks, you leather chaps wearing freak.
Well, you're calling me "Mr internet tough guy", yet you're the one making threats. Hmmmm, that's intelligent. Tell you what, since you're so intent on catch me talking to you like that in person, which I most certianly would, I'll gladly tell you how I can be found so you can test your theory, and see how anxious you are to "rip my fag harley riding ass" off my bike then. Yes, your "boy" comment annoyed me, I don't think anyone likes being called boy. I was definitely unnecessary, and ignorant. So I responded in kind.
You of all people should know that in reality most harley owners use them to bar hop from truck stop to truck stop to pickup toothless hoes.
Anyone who is tall enough to reach the magazine rack in thier local supermarket can pick up a motorcycle mag and see the kind of "toothless hoes" that hang around Harley ridersYou will in fact see some of the hottest women you've ever seen at any rally, pick one... whereas, for the most part, sportbike riders get the 16 year old girls that think you look cool pulling a wheelie.
Actually, Heavy and Clumsy are closely related. Simple physics when subject to the law of gravity. They are closely related, dumbass.
what I mean when I said heavy and clumsy are different, they are, in this way.... Deadlift 500 lbs on a bar (if you can) now try to lift a 500 lb refrigerator. Which one is clumsier to lift? By your rationale, they should be equally difficult to lift, right??? WRONG!!! weight that is properly balanced on a bar is ALWAYS easier to lift and control than something unbalanced and hard to grip. Liken that to the comparison of you, the pillow biter, riding your high center of gravity, tippy, crotch rocket which is in fact LIGHTER than even the sportster 1200, to me, riding a bike that has a 25.5" seat height and a leaned back riding position. Try both, trust me, you'll grudgingly agree. Anyways when explaining it that way, heavy and clumsy, are not as closely related as you portrayed them to be, DUMBASS.
She did not think i was clumsy last night
A LAME attempt at a comeback, you couldn't have thought of anything better than that???you tore me up on that one
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It takes a someone with at least a pre school education to look at specs sheets on Japanese and Harley Bikes to conclude that Harleys are Underengineered and inferior, BUT good at selling an image. Yes harley does not sell a good motorcycle, they sell a good image. And incidentally i DO ride a CBR. The CBR1100XX. You could never handle a beast like that for you are a slow, inferior rider of mediocre skill at best. So stick to harleys boy.
Yes, they are GREAT marketers, and I never once said anything to detract from the Japanese Engineering, However what I did say was that they (Harley) has made quantum leaps in the motorcycle game in the past 20 years, and the unreliable Harleys of the AMF era are long gone. People like you, however, like to try to keep the facade of unreliability alive to discredit the progress they have made. As far as your laffable attempt to try to say I couldn't handle your less than superior CBR,tell you what, take a couple of high speed passes through some high speed twisties on a Hayabusa, and after you shit your pants, get back on your CBR
and ride away in shame. You have no clue about my riding skills. I ride Harleys because I prefer them, period, not because of the image, or any other reason.... Don't worry I'll stick to Harleys, you stick to your Vanilla Ice bike, and we'll all be happy, and no more
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P.S. My Chopper is almost finished, so anytime you want to race a 1/4 mile run, your CBRagainst my "inferior piece of shit" Harley, just come on up. But don't cry when you get dusted.... BOY....
Code said:
Buying a bike for sound and looks???
Sounds like uninformed trailer trash to me.
Temple01 said:Like trailer trash can afford to drop $18000-$22000 on a bike. My cousin is married to a guy that owns one of the largest Yamaha/Kawasaki dealerships in the state, he is working on buying a HD dealership because he really has to ride what he sells and he wants to ride a HD because in his opinion Harley makes a better cruiser. This is a fairly bright guy, he started with nothing and is looking at a franchise that requires $750000 in LIQUID assets before they will even talk to you - definitely can't call him trailer trash.
Temple01 said:Thank God for HEAVY bikes...my husband just called and told me that he hit a small deer this morning. It was one of those things where there it was just there, no avoiding it. The bike is fine, he is fine, the deer is not so fine.

gwl9dta4 said:Flashman you are so fucking stupid it baffles me. You stated the HAyabusa in your previous post and ditched the cbr1100xx. Anyone that knows or appreciates anything about motorcycle engineering would laugh at your comparison. My CBR 1100XX is 5hp short on the hayabusa, big fucking deal. It more then makes up in other aspects. And any motorcycle connesouir will know they are 2 different class of machines. As far as speed and me handling a bike, does 170mph in a turn impress you? How about well worn pegs on a 550lb bike with a 255lb rider? Can you do that?
Actually, Like I said before, I HAVE owned sportbikes before, and though I don't weigh 255 (I'm 220, but I'm also only 5'8") I Wore the pegs on on my old Hurricane so bad that I had to replace them twice, and spent a ton of time on my pegs and knee sliders on my ZX-11D carving the canyons in Southern CA when I was stationed out there in the military. 170 in a turn? that IS impressive, if speed in turns is your only concern. I used to ride like a maniac too, but with time, that got old, and I started becoming more concerned with creature comfort. And yes, I agree w/you that the Hayabusa IS a different class of machine than the CBR, but it's the only big-cc sportbike I've ridden in a number of years, so it was the only comparison that I could make from experience.
Harley's may have improved leaps and bounds, but they only caught up from the 1940's to the 1970's technology.
the new twin cam is an excellent motor, on par with it's leading Japanese competitors, CRUISER-wise.
Their engines are joke, they have the weakest HP output per cc of any bikes manufactured today.
Like I said, when compared to sportbikes, of course, thier hp numbers pale in comparison. But when compared to other cruisers, they're very close.
And they sell the American image, which i think is cool, but most of the newer technology in them is from Europe and Japan. Their new model with the Porshe made powerplant still has MAJOR engineering flaws, like solid wheels. I need not tell you what solid wheels do in cross winds on a highway.
from that standpoint, you're absolutely correct, I hate those solid wheels, not only are they ugly, but they're dangerous as well. However, I have ridden a VROD, and it is a fun bike to ride. Cool looks (except for the wheels), good power, and so on.
Face it, HArley has lost a huge future market share, as their current crop of buyers is aging and are not getting replaced by young people, they will be in trouble and they know it.
I don't agree here... A lot of younger kids that I talk to (16-25 age range), are buying sportbikes/Jap cruisers, and telling me they wish they could afford a Harley because of the sound, looks, etc. A lot of what they sell IS in fact the legend , the mystique, whatever you want to call it, that is true, but to say that they're losing ground, couldn't be farther from the truth. Most Harleys are sold before they even hit the dealers' showrooms, how many Japanese companies can that be said about??? Not one that I can think of.
The motorcycles are of low quality outdated parts and that is a fact. Put 60,000 miles on one and i guarantee you, it will not hold up without some major work, at least twice. That is the point i am making.
I don't agree here either.... I HAVE put WELL over 60,000 miles on a few of my Harleys, including my '74 sportster (my first Harley) and I have not had to do a rebuild, or any really MAJOR fixes... Also, my uncle has a '98 Ultra Classic Electra Glide w/about 81k on it, and all he's ever done is the recommended lubes and services. Like I said before, that may have been true in the 70's and early 80's, but since the inception of the EVO motor in '84, those days are gone.... I'm not saying they never break, but it's not even close to as bad as you've made it sound.
Let me say this, I'm not AGAINST other bikes, I just prefer Harleys. I've ridden MANY styles and brand names of bikes. I've owned many also. I like ALL motorcycles. I've never said Japanese bikes' engineering is inferior, I'm merely stating that the gap is not as wide as it was 25 years ago. No hard feelings bro, I just think a lot of people who talk a lot of shit and claim to know so much have never even ridden a Harley.
Temple01 said:Like trailer trash can afford to drop $18000-$22000 on a bike. My cousin is married to a guy that owns one of the largest Yamaha/Kawasaki dealerships in the state, he is working on buying a HD dealership because he really has to ride what he sells and he wants to ride a HD because in his opinion Harley makes a better cruiser. This is a fairly bright guy, he started with nothing and is looking at a franchise that requires $750000 in LIQUID assets before they will even talk to you - definitely can't call him trailer trash.
Code said:
Umm, most HD's can be purchased far under 15k. So yeah, you and all your trailer trash buddies can afford one.
Code said:
Umm, most HD's can be purchased far under 15k. So yeah, you and all your trailer trash buddies can afford one.

Code said:
Umm, most HD's can be purchased far under 15k. So yeah, you and all your trailer trash buddies can afford one.
big4life said:
Where?![]()
I paid right at 15,000 for my last one, that was in 1999 and sold it for 18,000.
FLASHMAN1 said:
Wow, you'd think that if you're going to trash people, you'd at least research it first. In fact, MOST Harleys are over 15k. The only ones that are "well below" 15k as you stated are the sportsters. others that are SLIGHTLY below, are the Softail Standard (around 14k and change) and the Superglide. ALL other softails, tourers, and low riders are OVER 15k. It really makes me laugh that you say that trailer trash are riding Harleys. That cracks me up.... Most "trailer trash" can't afford thier rent, nevermind a car or motorcycle, and how do you explain guys like Shaq, Mickey Rourke, Sly, Arnold, Chuck Zito? Are they all trash also??? I'm just trying to make sure I have a grip on your ridiculous stereotyping of people who ride Harleys.... people like you crack me up....
Code said:
Celebrities consider riding the HD (wearing chaps and queer leathers) as "slumming it" for a reason.

Code said:
Bob Dron in the Bay Area (one in Livermore and one in Oakland) has a stock Vrod for 16,650. And dozens of bikes under 15k.
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