Who here has done short blast cycles?

[Texas Monster]

Hey guys,

So been doing some reading and came across the shorter blast cycles.

Basically it would look something like this.

Week 1-4 Tren ace 100 mg eod
Week 1-4 Tbol 40mg
Week 1-4 Mast P 200 mg eod
Week 1-4 HCGenerate
Week 1-6 Caber .5 mg e3d

PCT Week 5-8
Clomid 25/25/12.5/12.5
PCT+Unleashed
Forma
DAA

Has anyone ever done a cycle like this? I was just curious to see the results vs longer cycles and how it stacks with gains vs recovery.

Was thinking in the future that I will have to be cycling like this because of the whole family thing. ( Recently engaged ).

I kind of like how this stacks up though with the HCGenerate because it would be the whole bottle for 1 cycle. This way I wouldnt have to use HCG on cycle and worry about keeping it in the fridge for the Mrs or ( future kids ) to see. Dont want that word getting spread around.

Now some people say that less than 6 weeks is a waste but what about the guys who know what they are doing in the gym. IN perspective 4 weeks is a solid amount of time in the gym IMO and if you are going in there with a fire under your belly then in 4 weeks you should have no problem seeing results. Now they may not be the results of a killer 10 week tren ace, mast prop, primo cycle but I got other things to start worrying about especially when kids come into the picture.

Or would my best bet be to suck it up for another 4-6 weeks and just run cycles in this catagory.

Week 1-8,10 Test prop 200mg eod
Week 1-8,10 Npp 200mg eod or Tren ace 100mg eod
Week 1-8,10 Mast prop 200mg eod
Week 1-4 Tbol 40mg eod
Week 1-8,10 Caber .5 mg e3d

Then Same PCT.

Thanks for your help and advice guys.

 

[musclei]

Is it really that hard to come out to your loved one and tell her "honey, I'm on roids. See that mini-fridge in the basement? Don't touch it or you'll get pregnant"?

I too I'm trying shorter blasts but with two differences: I'm on blast and cruise and I think it's a viable option in that case. And two, even in my case, short cycles are something like 8 weeks or so, which is already longer than what you're trying.

I've never read of anyone doing the kind of cycle you're proposing here. I wouldn't make a decision as important as this either based on the fear you have to tell your wife you're on gear.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Blast cycles to me would be 3-4 week runs of test suspension. There was a great guy that used to be here. Used to run 300mg suspension ed 3 weeks at a time. He was absolutely monsterous. He also did Tren suspension but I believe he made it himself. Pretty advanced shit.

I don't think I would ever run a blast with prop or ace esters less than 6 weeks. I think your really robbing yourself of two great weekday by only going 4. If your only going 4 hen why not run dbol or adrol and 200 mg test suspension ed.

 

[ballslee]

I think that I would skip the tbol and throw in Var, Winny,or Halo. but i get the logic of not getting too many DHT drugs.
But tbol is a slow process, and for the blast as you suggest on. Anadrol would also be awesome on this cycle.
But no test? I dont think you fiance will like your tren dick....

barry bonds used to run blast cycles in his 2001 homerun season. They did it extremely wrong as far as post cycling, but they did 3 weeks on...then a week of PCT. then 3 weeks on, etc. it was his way of running a cycle the entire season. he did short esters EOD, and HGH the days in between (I know this is dumb as fuck, but just my two cents on what i have heard about blasting)

 

[Texas Monster]

@ Burn

Thanks for that. That is actually a better Idea to run the suspension every day. And at 300mg ed man those pumps must of been killer in the gym. But coming off of that much test must of been a bitch. I think I will reconsider using prop and ace for less than 6 weeks until I can find different compounds as suspension. Tren Suspension I have never heard of. I bet I can find a ugl that makes some suspension vials though and give those a shot.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Blasting is fine...it's the "cruising" that is bullshit. That's just staying on HRT.

 

[jmat2407]

Blast cycles to me would be 3-4 week runs of test suspension. There was a great guy that used to be here. Used to run 300mg suspension ed 3 weeks at a time. He was absolutely monsterous. He also did Tren suspension but I believe he made it himself. Pretty advanced shit.

I don't think I would ever run a blast with prop or ace esters less than 6 weeks. I think your really robbing yourself of two great weekday by only going 4. If your only going 4 hen why not run dbol or adrol and 200 mg test suspension ed.

Nothing special about Tren suspension or Tren in oil. You can suspend the crystals in water like test or make a solution in EO using Guaiacol. Hardest part is just finding a source that carries Tren Base powder.

But yes I agree if your running a short one month blast you should be running base compounds with multiple daily injections.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Nothing special about Tren suspension or Tren in oil. You can suspend the crystals in water like test or make a solution in EO using Guaiacol. Hardest part is just finding a source that carries Tren Base powder.

But yes I agree if your running a short one month blast you should be running base compounds with multiple daily injections.

Yes correct. But your average gym rat isnt a home chemist. Not to mention you have to source the powder.

 

[jmat2407]

Yes correct. But your average gym rat isnt a home chemist. Not to mention you have to source the powder.

Fair enough. Fortunately I am tho.

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[callmejay]

I think that I would skip the tbol and throw in Var, Winny,or Halo. but i get the logic of not getting too many DHT drugs.
But tbol is a slow process, and for the blast as you suggest on. Anadrol would also be awesome on this cycle.
But no test? I dont think you fiance will like your tren dick....

barry bonds used to run blast cycles in his 2001 homerun season. They did it extremely wrong as far as post cycling, but they did 3 weeks on...then a week of PCT. then 3 weeks on, etc. it was his way of running a cycle the entire season. he did short esters EOD, and HGH the days in between (I know this is dumb as fuck, but just my two cents on what i have heard about blasting)

In my experience, tbol is very effective in the first 4 weeks and then you have to up the dosage. I put on 5-6 solid lbs with 4 weeks of tbol @ 50mg/d.

ballslee, it was my understanding that var should be run for at least 6 weeks? Have you used it effectively at only 4 weeks before?

Heard great things about halo - mostly that it can turn you into an over-aggressive man-beast with super strength. Which is perfect for some and maybe not so great for others. Just depends on your situation.

Dbol might be good for a short run...

HCGenerate will certainly help with libido.

Similar to what burnthiscorpse said, adding prop and extending from 4 weeks to 6 or 7 weeks could also be a good option. I get the appeal of a short blast. But whats the big difference in adding two or three weeks to maximize your results?

As far as keeping HCG in the fridge, I got an idea from someone on here to put it in a big bottle of fish oil in the fridge. This is what I'll be doing very soon.

Looking forward to seeing what you choose and how it goes. Log?

 

[GreenBastard]

blast cycle.....

well what exactly are your goals?

for strength/size i would do 4 weeks of 50-100mg of Anadrol ED with Prop or even suspension.

for just strength, i would run halo with suspension or prop.

for cutting run 80mg of var with an OTC fat burner like hydroxycut hardcore or something, ntmb seems to have a few good cutting supplements too.

 

[Texas Monster]

My goals are just mainly to keep on the same track that I have been going on.

I have been making steady strength and size gains while cutting BF. My diet is on point and I can fine tune it pretty easily based on how I am looking ie add more carbs if im getting to flat or up fats to cut up a little bit more.

My appeal for this is because I have only done 1 short cycle and that was with just orals. I made some great gains but I am interested in seeing how a 4 week blast of Test suspension with an oral would yield because recovery for me should be a cake walk on that kind of cycle ( considering my cycling history )

If I blast like this I will keep a log and update you guys on my next move for this idea.

I have a lot of cycles I still want to try out though.

 

[rustilldown]

You can make enough gains in 4 weeks, and since the time off is less you can get back on for another 4 weeks sooner than the alternative. Why not give it a go I have heard a few success stories of guys doing this. 4 weeks on, 6 weeks off , 4 on.. So forth


Ride it like you stole it!!

 

[Texas Monster]

You can make enough gains in 4 weeks, and since the time off is less you can get back on for another 4 weeks sooner than the alternative. Why not give it a go I have heard a few success stories of guys doing this. 4 weeks on, 6 weeks off , 4 on.. So forth


Ride it like you stole it!!

Yeah that is what I was thinking. And if my goal is either bulking or cutting I would rather go balls to the wall for the full 4 weeks and then collect my gains through PCT.

Idk if I would be wanting to go on again after 6 weeks though. I would probably wait double time off so I can make each cycle count to the best of its possibilities.

To tell you the truth I hate being "on" other than the feeling of the pump and invincible feeling. When I come off I feel a whole lot better being normal. The training is more rewarding as well.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I say for less than 6 weeks that suspension is the way to go.

But the biggest issue i see with 4 on a bunch of times in a row is a very expensive pct over and over.

 

[sanfrandan]

Read Nelson's book^^^^^- "Bottom Line Bodybuilding". He has a whole section dedicated to and explaining the benefits of 4 week cycles. Makes a lot of sense. It's a slower process but you keep all gains with little to no sides.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Everything nelson writes is good stuff.

What I boils down to is how big do you want to get and how maintainable is it going to be when your off cycle. You can get pretty big if you do shit right. But there's only so much you will achieve without having to consider alternative hormones. Slin, hgh ect.

I know for myself, I don't want to be a pro at all. But when I walk down the street in a regular xl t shirt and average people can't help but double take and go "jesus Christ" then I will know Im there. Obviously this is an example. I don't do this for other peoples reaction. But its going to take more than AAS to get me where I wanna be.

 

[sanfrandan]

I know for myself, I don't want to be a pro at all. But when I walk down the street in a regular xl t shirt and average people can't help but double take and go "jesus Christ" then I will know Im there. Obviously this is an example. I don't do this for other peoples reaction. But its going to take more than anabolic steroids to get me where I wanna be.

From the looks of your AV you are well on your way bro!

 

[Power36]

Interesting thread. Im on HRT and have dabbled in a few blasts over the last 3 years, pretty much Primo and Mast for 8-12 weeks. Orals Ive tried Var and tbol. I love Primo and Mast but think I need to do a 16 weeker at maybe higher doses to see what they really can do....but if I am going to do that next year sometime, I would like to try a shorter cycle which I thought would be 6-8 weeks....so Im all about learning more about fast acting stuff that works and running it for 8 weeks.

I thought the Tren "should be" ED from some threads on here? Or you can run Tren Ace EOD and still get good results?

Halo is sounding like a good oral to try....I threw out an idea to a moderator on here of doing 8 weeks of Test prop, Tren Ace, Mast Prop, and Halo and he said Id want to kill people on that haha...so to drop the Tren maybe. My goals are to stay lean, cut, and recovery from heavy olympic lifting sessions and MMA. I am plenty big (5'10 and 245 prob 10%BF currently), if anything Id love to drop 10 or 15 pounds and stay lean and look freaky hah. I do love Primo, Mast, and Var....so sweet just doesnt kick in fast so might not be worth the cash to do 8 weeks of them and not see or feel big benefits.

This isnt my thread so maybe I should shut up haha...but Im curious about these fast acting blasts or fast acting stacks that are good, might be better for me to do since Im on HRT.


Man thats a hard dilemma hiding it from a wife.

 

[Texas Monster]

Interesting thread. Im on HRT and have dabbled in a few blasts over the last 3 years, pretty much Primo and Mast for 8-12 weeks. Orals Ive tried Var and tbol. I love Primo and Mast but think I need to do a 16 weeker at maybe higher doses to see what they really can do....but if I am going to do that next year sometime, I would like to try a shorter cycle which I thought would be 6-8 weeks....so Im all about learning more about fast acting stuff that works and running it for 8 weeks.

I thought the Tren "should be" ED from some threads on here? Or you can run Tren Ace EOD and still get good results?

Halo is sounding like a good oral to try....I threw out an idea to a moderator on here of doing 8 weeks of Test prop, Tren Ace, Mast Prop, and Halo and he said Id want to kill people on that haha...so to drop the Tren maybe. My goals are to stay lean, cut, and recovery from heavy olympic lifting sessions and MMA. I am plenty big (5'10 and 245 prob 10%BF currently), if anything Id love to drop 10 or 15 pounds and stay lean and look freaky hah. I do love Primo, Mast, and Var....so sweet just doesnt kick in fast so might not be worth the cash to do 8 weeks of them and not see or feel big benefits.

This isnt my thread so maybe I should shut up haha...but Im curious about these fast acting blasts or fast acting stacks that are good, might be better for me to do since Im on HRT.


Man thats a hard dilemma hiding it from a wife.

Go ahead and post a pic to verify those stats if they are true you are as big as arny.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Go ahead and post a pic to verify those stats if they are true you are as big as arny.

I second this

 

[Power36]

haha not posting pics to any public forum for occupational reasons, and I have nothing to prove to anyone other than myself. Anyone here lives in SoCa I will meet you in person if it bothers you that bad. This has come up on here before about stats...How many of you guys have played or coached Division One football or been around NFL guys? Im not that big compared to D1 football players and NFL guys, and many throwers in track and field. Ive been 235 since I was 17 at this height and training since 12 years old consistent, and hitting high protein diet and supplements hard since about 13 or 14. Id have no problems buying one of you a cup of coffee if you live local to verify Im no midget or fat ass.

March '11 I was dunk tanked at 7.5% at 235 pounds while doing my regular HRT doses. Im not that low BF now, not watching diet as much and have more work and other life stressors that are priorities. Still hitting the weights hard, just not the conditioning for time being. Im not a bodybuilder like many of you on here. I do 4 full body workouts a week primarily based on olympic lifting and structural (ie "powerlifting" which really isnt power its strength) lifts in the rack. Due to injuries I do not push maximal weights, but I can easily throw up significant reps at decent numbers in cleans, deads, squats (back and front), and bench.

I love this website and forum, as well some other sites because Im a late in life AAS guy and want to learn from people who are experienced and know their shit like folks on here (which is why this is the top site I go to for learning about HRT and AAS). However most of the sites are bodybuilding based, and Im just guessing in general bodybuilders are not used to being around high level strength athletes because guys my size are a dime a dozen in college and pro football.

 

[Power36]

Coffee on me, and if Im not a midget or a fat ass, you can buy the grub? Either way coffee on me

 

[Texas Monster]

I see your point on not posting pics. I got the same problem.

So you were on HRT even before touching AAS?

 

[Power36]

Im assuming you are on TX so coffee isnt gonna be easy hah....I was in Dallas this summer, might be there next summer too if you are in that area.

Yes I was on HRT before I got the gonads to try AAS. Prior to that never needed them, daydreamed about them of course and super curious...but I was 230-245 and could clean, squat, and deadlift a house as long as I ate, supplemented, and lifted heavy.

Once I got on HRT, then I got ever more super curious...and then the more I read forums like this one to learn about HRT, since steroid folks seem to know more about hormones than most doctors, ah the bug bit I guess...Ive still been conservative though, and since size isnt an issue I doubt Ill try things beyond Primo, Mast, Var, EQ, Tren in tiny tiny doses, and other orals. If I want size for me its lift heavy barbells and eat meat, and lots of protein shakes....but getting leaned out and cut up is a different story! That forces me to do lots of conditioning, be stricter with carbs, calories, etc.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Everything nelson writes is good stuff.

What I boils down to is how big do you want to get and how maintainable is it going to be when your off cycle. You can get pretty big if you do shit right. But there's only so much you will achieve without having to consider alternative hormones. Slin, hgh ect.

I know for myself, I don't want to be a pro at all. But when I walk down the street in a regular xl t shirt and average people can't help but double take and go "jesus Christ" then I will know Im there. Obviously this is an example. I don't do this for other peoples reaction. But its going to take more than AAS to get me where I wanna be.

Burnt is obviously committed in every way -- hard raining , good diet, smart supps and the right approach to cycling. The man's got some serious mass.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Burnt is obviously committed in every way -- hard raining , good diet, smart supps and the right approach to cycling. The man's got some serious mass.

I appreciate the kind words Nelson. I have much respect for your wealth of experience and knowledge. I'm as committed as my constant nagging shoulder issues let me be. I'm only apx 235 at around 17% right now so I'm trying to get back to where I used to be without being 20%.

 

[Power36]

What shoulder issues you got? Toss it out, Ive battled shoulder issues for 20 years....Ive put off and hopefully never will have the surgeries they say I need....I hear horror stories of guys getting cut and then things being worst in the weightroom or in their sports than before surgery.

I have detached ligaments, hooked clavicle, bankhart lesions on both front and backside from different dislocations (bjj and football). If I nag it, I could go for months not being able to lift hard, other stretches it feels great....I go close grip or closer grip on pressing for most part now, slower controlled temp on upper body stuff, get deep tissue work often, ice often, PVC roll the heck outta my upper body pre workout and in the mornings....

I feel ya...everything is different these days training due to old nagging injuries, aches, and pains...

Since you guys play nice Ill post a pic. I see too many pics on here being judged by definition of abs and guys throwing out BF%s. I routinely get dunk tanked, and I know where I pretty closely based on having BF measured for the past 20 years literally, first calipers for many years, but last 7 years I prefer bod pod or dunk tanked. That way there is no estimating. So yea, I do not have shredded abs, but I didnt even have shredded abs at 7.5% dunk tanked.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I appreciate the kind words Nelson. I have much respect for your wealth of experience and knowledge. I'm as committed as my constant nagging shoulder issues let me be. I'm only apx 235 at around 17% right now so I'm trying to get back to where I used to be without being 20%.

Ha. Me? Bad shoulder, bad knees, bad back, tendonitus in the forearm, arthritis in my hands, bursitis in my elbows, eroded disk in my neck...fuck it. Still gotta train. Work around it. Sometimes you just work what hurts the least. That's bodybuilding.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Ok...ok....lol you two got me beat. Going to get prolotherapy with TNE of all things (brand new technique) next monday. Infraspinnatus tendons on both sides keep hanging on to tendonosis. Sometimes they burn like hell. AC ligament and side delt top attachments on my right get inflamed for no apparent reason. Infraspinnatus muscle knots at a trigger point and refers pain to the front of my side delt.
Add a torn left acl and torn medial meniscus to that too.

P36 you got alot of serious mass bro. (shave bro!!) Funny you say PVC...im staring at my pvc roller right now. Also do deep tissue when I can. Prolotherapy and PRP injections.

 

[Power36]

I did prolotherapy 12 years ago and hurt like a MFer...not sure it helped...but I think my doc was a quack....

Do you take fish oil? Im taking 15-25g a day...its a miracle worker for a host of issues, including reducing inflammation.

If you need to, start with foam rollers, work up to stiffer ones, and then work onto PVC. Also, either using the floor or a wall, try out tennis balls, golf balls, LAX balls, etc. Work around the shoulder and opposing muscles too, hit the pecs, lats, all around the hurting joint and stretch to tolerance...

Stuff costs a ton...but if you can find a good progressive PT they might have ways of doing things, or a good ART guy....needling has worked for many friends of mine if its allowed in your state....and the traditional stuff stim, TEMs, ultra sound, ICE, resting and laying off which I know is hard to do.....ever do cortisone injections? If you do, allow it to rest and lay off it for a while....its worked for me in the past...

Im burned out but will think more of other stuff I do for nagging injuries....deep tissue work for sure works miracles, as does rest and ice...and the right PT who knows how to do stability work without nagging it more....

So your ACL and meniscus are torn right now too?!?!?!?

I have a phone book list of injuries, but am thankful, truly thankful to God everyday I can still train...Ive been banged up, nearly killed, and shit hurts every day and some weeks or months I gotta quit training certain movements all together, but thank God Ive always been able to get back under a barbell in the rack or yank some heavy stuff on the platform


Shave??!? Me?? haha...Im an old school football, MMA, powerlifting and olympic lifting dude...never have shaved a thing...damn would be a lot of work, Im a hairy caveman bastard!

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I did prolotherapy 12 years ago and hurt like a MFer...not sure it helped...but I think my doc was a quack....

Do you take fish oil? Im taking 15-25g a day...its a miracle worker for a host of issues, including reducing inflammation.

If you need to, start with foam rollers, work up to stiffer ones, and then work onto PVC. Also, either using the floor or a wall, try out tennis balls, golf balls, LAX balls, etc. Work around the shoulder and opposing muscles too, hit the pecs, lats, all around the hurting joint and stretch to tolerance...

Stuff costs a ton...but if you can find a good progressive PT they might have ways of doing things, or a good ART guy....needling has worked for many friends of mine if its allowed in your state....and the traditional stuff stim, TEMs, ultra sound, ICE, resting and laying off which I know is hard to do.....ever do cortisone injections? If you do, allow it to rest and lay off it for a while....its worked for me in the past...

Im burned out but will think more of other stuff I do for nagging injuries....deep tissue work for sure works miracles, as does rest and ice...and the right PT who knows how to do stability work without nagging it more....

So your ACL and meniscus are torn right now too?!?!?!?

I have a phone book list of injuries, but am thankful, truly thankful to God everyday I can still train...Ive been banged up, nearly killed, and shit hurts every day and some weeks or months I gotta quit training certain movements all together, but thank God Ive always been able to get back under a barbell in the rack or yank some heavy stuff on the platform


Shave??!? Me?? haha...Im an old school football, MMA, powerlifting and olympic lifting dude...never have shaved a thing...damn would be a lot of work, Im a hairy caveman bastard!

Your muscles will look twice as large if you shave bro


Yes the ACL and meniscus(same knee) are torn. Have been for almost 20 years. Knew the meniscus was torn but it was minor. Didnt find out about the ACL til I went for a comparison MRI after tearing the medial meniscus in my right knee really bad in Pro wrestling. When my ortho checked my left knee he went whoa....this things moves too much lets MRI it. Comes back...err....you have a completely torn and wasted ACL in your left knee!! My legs being so massive (they were 28" cold then) my whole life has kept everything in check without issue. He was amazed.

I actually go once a week to the best Chiro/PT/ART guy for anything athletic in our area. He himself is a huge power lifter so he gets us meat heads. He has helped immensely in the last few months.
My prolo doc is also the shit. This guy is a fucking genius in my book. If it werent for him I wouldnt be training. Prolo has done wonders for me. Cortisone I am opposed to. Just a band aid IMHO. The only cortisone I allowed was in both shoulders under muscle but not in the joint to diagnose if it were joint/bone issues or connective tissue. I felt great for 2 days then I felt like I just came off a week long bender of vicodin and booze.

 

[broski87]

I was living in a sober house for alcohol and recreational drug reasons a year ago and I had some hcg and peptides in the house fridge. I just kept in a greek yogurt container either that or wrapped in tinfoil and put with box of butter. There is lots of ways.. Is it worth the risk.. Would they go through your food?

 

[ALIN]

I love the shorther acting AAS drugs but I still find even with those my best results are minimum of 8-10 weeks.

 

[Texas Monster]

Maybe I will just run an awesome hybrid cycle.

First 4 weeks incorporate some suspension in there and just run a sick 8-10 week prop cycle.

 

[Power36]

Sounds like you got your bases covered. Sounds like a rare but amazing snag on the PT/ART/Chiro who is a PL.

Yea lifting can do amazing things and stabilize joints (all that squatting is bad for knees is BS, you are perfect example maybe leg lifting kept you going all these years).

I did the cortizone when I had such severe pain from heavy sprinting, MMA, and back when I still did very heavy snatches, cleans, jerks, and push press...once they realized my tendons were detached and all the other damage I had, they said might as well try it cant make it worse....so it worked for me back then....otherwise when the shoulder does hurt it means backing off for months, and the oddest things can make it hurt...other times I can bench 375 for a single or shits and giggles rep 225 for 23-25 and no issues...other times if its not feeling good I cant do pushups!

Game plan on the knee? Just keep trucking? Or get cut at some point?

Ok ok maybe one of these years Ill shave haha....didnt know it made you look twice as big! haha

Your muscles will look twice as large if you shave bro


Yes the ACL and meniscus(same knee) are torn. Have been for almost 20 years. Knew the meniscus was torn but it was minor. Didnt find out about the ACL til I went for a comparison MRI after tearing the medial meniscus in my right knee really bad in Pro wrestling. When my ortho checked my left knee he went whoa....this things moves too much lets MRI it. Comes back...err....you have a completely torn and wasted ACL in your left knee!! My legs being so massive (they were 28" cold then) my whole life has kept everything in check without issue. He was amazed.

I actually go once a week to the best Chiro/PT/ART guy for anything athletic in our area. He himself is a huge power lifter so he gets us meat heads. He has helped immensely in the last few months.
My prolo doc is also the shit. This guy is a fucking genius in my book. If it werent for him I wouldnt be training. Prolo has done wonders for me. Cortisone I am opposed to. Just a band aid IMHO. The only cortisone I allowed was in both shoulders under muscle but not in the joint to diagnose if it were joint/bone issues or connective tissue. I felt great for 2 days then I felt like I just came off a week long bender of vicodin and booze.

 

[Power36]

I want to do an 8 weeker with fast acting ones starting Jan or Feb.....then do a long haul one in summer...

Maybe
test prop 300mg week
Mast prop 450mg week
tren 225mg week
Var 50mg-75mg daily (or tbol?)

Or test prop 300mg week
Mast prop 450mg week
Primo 300mg week (is it worth it in short cycle?)
Halo (??? dose and weeks not sure)

Also curious about NPP for short cycles...

Suspension sounds scary hahah

 

[Texas Monster]

I want to do an 8 weeker with fast acting ones starting Jan or Feb.....then do a long haul one in summer...

Maybe
test prop 300mg week
Mast prop 450mg week
tren 225mg week
Var 50mg-75mg daily (or tbol?)

Or test prop 300mg week
Mast prop 450mg week
Primo 300mg week (is it worth it in short cycle?)
Halo (??? dose and weeks not sure)

Also curious about NPP for short cycles...

Suspension sounds scary hahah

Def dont run the test prop that high. Mast prop is just about right.

Would through in NPP at higher dose than test and lay it out something like this in my case.

Week 1-10 Test p 100mg eod
Week 1-8 Npp 200mg eod
Week 1-4 Test supsension 50-100mg ed pre workout
Week 5-10 Anavar 80mg
Week 1-10 Mast p 150mg eod

 

[Power36]

Def dont run the test prop that high. Mast prop is just about right.

Would through in NPP at higher dose than test and lay it out something like this in my case.

Week 1-10 Test p 100mg eod
Week 1-8 Npp 200mg eod
Week 1-4 Test supsension 50-100mg ed pre workout
Week 5-10 Anavar 80mg
Week 1-10 Mast p 150mg eod

Wouldnt 300mg week be similar to you doing 100mg EOD?

Im on 200mg T Cyp week for HRT...would I see a difference changing to Test Prop for 8-10 weeks?

Im all ears, the less juice the better, less pinning and less cost! ha

Are you considering NPP too? Would you do that over Tren?

Im all about getting leaner....never done clen or other stuff to drop BF, because I am also about being healthy so that stuff makes me weary. Im not 20 years old anymore and bulletproof! haha

Is that Test Suspension gonna hurt like hell, and its like you inject it and then feel an immediate boost for workout?!?! Cool!

 

[Texas Monster]

Wouldnt 300mg week be similar to you doing 100mg EOD?

Im on 200mg T Cyp week for HRT...would I see a difference changing to Test Prop for 8-10 weeks?

Im all ears, the less juice the better, less pinning and less cost! ha

Are you considering NPP too? Would you do that over Tren?

Im all about getting leaner....never done clen or other stuff to drop BF, because I am also about being healthy so that stuff makes me weary. Im not 20 years old anymore and bulletproof! haha

Is that Test Suspension gonna hurt like hell, and its like you inject it and then feel an immediate boost for workout?!?! Cool!

OOPS I feel Like a tard. I thought it said 300mg eod which would be insane.

350 mg a week is perfect. That comes out to 100mg eod. I like pinning eod with prop or ace.

Do not do clen that shit will destroy your heart.

It depends on which cycle I have ran previously. If I ran tren in the previous cycle then I would opt for NPP.

IMO and from experience I react the best with the least amount of sides with the best keepable gains from.

Nandralone
Test
Winny
Mast
Var

Tren is to be used very sparingly in cycling. I am actually trying to get away from using that stuff and just sticking to the list I laid out above.

It is all about finding the compounds and cycles that work for you.

 

[Power36]

Only stuff I have really tried is Primo and Mast, and its been wonderful. I think first time around I didnt take in enough protein, didnt use much, and didnt run it long...so I didnt feel like it did much...this last time upping my protein, going over 8 weeks, and doing 400mg of each felt wonderful. I imagine doing 16 weeks like people say would be fantastic. I dont want anymore size, I dont want serious health risks, and I love recovery. If anything I like being able to workout more and recover and would love to shed some pounds or drop BF%. Var has been good to me as well, but think Ive only tried it at 50mg a few times too.

My first HRT doc gave me Deca 100 or 200mg week for 8 weeks for joints....not sure if I felt much from it. But if its true it helps joints I will want to try it again. If NPP does the same but is faster acting maybe I should try it with Prop and Mast for an 8 week blast and throw some Var or Tbol on top of it.

Winny I did for a few weeks, I think it worked well and I liked it...but all the horror stories of it maybe causing more soft tissue tears or the wrong kind of collagen forming scares me off from wanting to do it again. I have always been a muscle ripping and ligament/tendon popping nightmare, so do not want to increase that chance (which is another reason Im scared to try higher dose cycles or the compounds that make people blow up fast).

So maybe:
350mg test prop week
450mg mast prop per week
600mg week NPP (gosh that sounds high???) or 225mg week Tren
80mg week Var or ??mg week Tbol or ??? winny?

This is daydreaming stress relief haha..who knew as an adult I would end up distracting myself by daydreaming about juice cycles to relax a few times a day hah

 

[sanfrandan]

[=Power36;14347693]
This is daydreaming stress relief haha..who knew as an adult I would end up distracting myself by daydreaming about juice cycles to relax a few times a day hah[/QUOTE]
Ha- Wait until your 55! LMFAO

 

[Power36]

Haha....well gives me nearly 15 more years of enjoyment to look forward to!!1

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Sounds like you got your bases covered. Sounds like a rare but amazing snag on the PT/ART/Chiro who is a PL.

Yea lifting can do amazing things and stabilize joints (all that squatting is bad for knees is BS, you are perfect example maybe leg lifting kept you going all these years).

I did the cortizone when I had such severe pain from heavy sprinting, MMA, and back when I still did very heavy snatches, cleans, jerks, and push press...once they realized my tendons were detached and all the other damage I had, they said might as well try it cant make it worse....so it worked for me back then....otherwise when the shoulder does hurt it means backing off for months, and the oddest things can make it hurt...other times I can bench 375 for a single or shits and giggles rep 225 for 23-25 and no issues...other times if its not feeling good I cant do pushups!

Game plan on the knee? Just keep trucking? Or get cut at some point?

Ok ok maybe one of these years Ill shave haha....didnt know it made you look twice as big! haha

Yeah my PT is an amazing guy. Either this winter or next winter I'm going to get reconstruction done and my meniscus trimmed out on the knee. It's been very good for a long time buy its starting to become more of something I'm having to be cautious of. Even jumping down off my truck tailgate I now stop, put my hand down and jump easy.
Yeah bro.....if you shave and especially tanned, you would look completely different and way bigger.

I like short esters too. But mast @150 and prop and npp especially at 200.....goddamn that's a LOT of pinning. 4.5 ml !!!!! If you go that route I would pin ED so you can do smaller injections in more places.

 

[Power36]

Hmmmm....is 3mL the biggest syringes there are? Yea if I could fit everything in 3cc for M/W/F pinning that would be preferred, and take an oral maybe. Ive never done anything fast acting so this would be my first go around at it...maybe I wouldnt need alot? Maybe test prop 100 (1cc?), mast prop 150 (1.5cc) and Tren 75mg (.5cc) is a way to max the 3cc syringe for EOD pinning? Then take an oral, Var, Winny, or tbol?

Maybe if this short blast makes me feel more "ripped" or in the summer doing Primo and EQ and getting back to multiple training sessions a day which leans me out, Ill go crazy and shave, and get tanned by just going outside more! I do live near the beach so when I have time getting a tan isnt too hard.

Good luck with the surgeries when you do it, if your chiro knows a good surgeon maybe you are good to go! Not good if jumping off the tailgate is hurting and gotta slow down...Ive known guys who get knee surgeries and rehab right (which you got covered with your PT), supplement, eat right, and do all the proper ice and treatment stuff at home, start training earlier than most docs suggest, and come back on fire...

 

[ballslee]

They make 5CC syringes, but what I like to do is split up the dosage. I would just do 2 shots each day.

I had some test that would swell up everywhere except the glutes, and had to change my injections because of it.
So i started doing test in one, and 1 or 2 other compounds in another shot.
Please never do a 4.5ml shot, if you survive that shit you wont be able to move that body part for the better part of a week.
if you result to doing 3CC shots, then please make sure you work the muscle up to being capable of handling it. If the most you have done in one muscle is 1.5CC then I would say dont go above 2CC the next time, at the most 2.5CC (next time meaning next cycle). It doesn't matter how big your muscles are, if they have not experienced and become accustomed to larger shots, then you will severely regret it.

power36 i would run the npp at 100EOD in that cycle, no need to go to 200EOD when you have not ran it yet.

 

[ballslee]

Texas Monster have you considered doing injectable winny on these blasts?
I think 4-6 weeks would be perfect for it, and you could minimize joint pain by cycling it shorter time.

You could do winny inject, test suspension, and like a Dbol or Tbol oral and make sure you have a bunch of liver supps and dont drink at all.
I have always wanted to try the Winny 100mg EOD because some people make the inject at that strength.

 

[Texas Monster]

Texas Monster have you considered doing injectable winny on these blasts?
I think 4-6 weeks would be perfect for it, and you could minimize joint pain by cycling it shorter time.

You could do winny inject, test suspension, and like a Dbol or Tbol oral and make sure you have a bunch of liver supps and dont drink at all.
I have always wanted to try the Winny 100mg EOD because some people make the inject at that strength.

I have plenty of experience with winny.

As far as inject I prefer the oral because it is easier to dose lower if I need to. And since it is still 17-a it effects your liver so why not just take it orally.

And When I have taken winny I haver never once experienced joint pain at all. This is probably because I take in a lot of omega 3s and stay plenty hydrated.

And I Run winny for 6 weeks and that is it. No more no less that is the sweet spot.

 

[ballslee]

well I feel that I get different effects from the oral vs the inject. I know they are both 17A, but it was just a thought. But if i am not mistaken, the injectable only has to survive the first pass of the liver, and the oral has to go through 2 passes. So in that way, it is lighter than the oral on the liver.
also, the injectable version is absorbed better by the body...the oral version going through 2 liver passes is reduced and partially destroyed.
(this is the least knowledgeable post i have posted on this site, but from what i remember i believe it is correct)

 

[Power36]

thanks friend, solid advice...I worked up to 3cc shots before, Primo 2cc and Mast 1cc, and pinned my .5cc test in a quad with 29g....so ill blast this with 3cc EOD in glutes and keep doing my GH in quads IM...

So this might be good blast for me according to your guys blended advice EOD injects:
1cc Test Prop
1cc NPP
1cc Mast

If I need to bump up the Mast I will add it in a quad shot.

What oral would you guys thing in this blast? Halo, Tbol, Var, or Winny?

Ill be doing heavy olympic lifting and possibly MMA and sprint training...or maybe just lots of lifting for the blast period

They make 5CC syringes, but what I like to do is split up the dosage. I would just do 2 shots each day.

I had some test that would swell up everywhere except the glutes, and had to change my injections because of it.
So i started doing test in one, and 1 or 2 other compounds in another shot.
Please never do a 4.5ml shot, if you survive that shit you wont be able to move that body part for the better part of a week.
if you result to doing 3CC shots, then please make sure you work the muscle up to being capable of handling it. If the most you have done in one muscle is 1.5CC then I would say dont go above 2CC the next time, at the most 2.5CC (next time meaning next cycle). It doesn't matter how big your muscles are, if they have not experienced and become accustomed to larger shots, then you will severely regret it.

power36 i would run the npp at 100EOD in that cycle, no need to go to 200EOD when you have not ran it yet.

 

[Texas Monster]

Go with the Var hands down!!!!!!!! That shit will put the strength on you!

Is your NPP 200mg/ml or 100mg/ml. Because I think you would see better results at a higher NPP dosage.

thanks friend, solid advice...I worked up to 3cc shots before, Primo 2cc and Mast 1cc, and pinned my .5cc test in a quad with 29g....so ill blast this with 3cc EOD in glutes and keep doing my GH in quads IM...

So this might be good blast for me according to your guys blended advice EOD injects:
1cc Test Prop
1cc NPP
1cc Mast

If I need to bump up the Mast I will add it in a quad shot.

What oral would you guys thing in this blast? Halo, Tbol, Var, or Winny?

Ill be doing heavy olympic lifting and possibly MMA and sprint training...or maybe just lots of lifting for the blast period

 

[Power36]

I didnt purchase anything yet. Im game planning for Jan/Feb blast. I guess if I can find 200mg/mL I can do higher dose...if not maybe Ill do the 100mg EOD with Mast Prop and Test Prop....and you are a fan of Var haahah....

Will I need something to combat the nandrolone side effects of NPP if I do indeed do this?

 

[Texas Monster]

I didnt purchase anything yet. Im game planning for Jan/Feb blast. I guess if I can find 200mg/mL I can do higher dose...if not maybe Ill do the 100mg EOD with Mast Prop and Test Prop....and you are a fan of Var haahah....

Will I need something to combat the nandrolone side effects of NPP if I do indeed do this?

Just run caber .5mg e3d.

And I am guessing your not a big fan of var?

 

[ballslee]

well is your MMA training for a fight?
if so Halo might be your oral of choice, for the added aggression and strength.

Tbol would also be awesome for strength, and leaves the DHT out of the window with Var and Winny since you already have mast. (with your joint problems you were referring to)

i agree that the 200mg of NPP would be better, but just depends on what your dosing is. Honestly i would split up my shots and up my dose on each of them.

and why the HGH IM? at least if you are going to do multiple shots, switch the HGH back to SubQ...(i know why people do it IM, just saying you leave yourself more available shot locations i.e glutes, quads, shoulders)

i think your Mast is on the low side at 100 EOD.
Why not just run a hybrid Deca for 10wks then switch to NPP.
And run Mast E too, switch to Mast P.

 

[Power36]

No MMA is for pure fun, moving meditation, mental toughness, self defense, fun way to do intervals, and just boosts self confidence hitting shit!

Yes, many joint and soft tissue injuries over the years. Im very prone to tearing and straining shit...possibly a lifetime of overtraining, maybe being injury prone genetically I dont know, or just not knowing when to be smart and a slow learner about doing more prehab, rehab, restorative work....still got nagging soft tissue issues so I foam roll, get ART, stretch and do other stuff as much as I lift!

Dont have any of this cycle purchased yet, still brainstorming...but staying lean or getting leaner is goal, so Test Prop and Mast Prop sounded good and like many of you do it for cutting cycles....and I do like Mast ive felt good on it....add in NPP or Tren...and an oral that compliments those.... so Var and Tbol might be good options, if Tbol compliments a potential cycle more with less injury risks I can give it a shot, Im game for opinions on dosing it.

I do GH IM because of another board thats super popular, some wicked smart guys who juice a lot, read a lot of science ,and advise athletes on juice suggest doing it IM or freaking A some of them do it IV!! EOD or every 3rd day, in multiple dosings a day IM they suggest to pulse it....so I just do EOD IM. They say doing it SubQ is a waste of a lot of the GH? That for fat loss long term SubQ is okay, but if you want muscular changes then IM pulses of it is better? Ive never tried it ED or mon-fri, so maybe I can go to SubQ and try it ED or 5 on weekends off and see if I feel any changes in addition to this blast.

Im not familiar with hybrid? What Mast dose would you suggest? Deca and Mast E for 10 weeks then switch to NPP and Mast Prop for how long?
Whats the benefits of doing that?

Im fair game for proposed cycles and doses..my thinking on this was 8 weeks max, so I can take off March, April, May and then go for a full June, July, August of Primo and EQ since Ive never run EQ and never ran Primo as long as folks suggest to maximize its benefits.

 

[ballslee]

well basically I think that you wouldnt wanna do tren for those MMA workouts, you may have to stop from not being able to breath.

I mean since you are on TRT, you could do whatever cycles you want really. But with Deca you could have a longer cycle, and mast E would compliment that or Primo (as far as 2X a Wk injects).

Oh wait just read your thing about all summer long. Well how do other says to cycle on Trt? Tren, Deca, NPP you may need to up your test....others you could keep your TRT dose.

I have not read much about IM HGH, but i am familiar with the after workout dose vs every day dose. I have had success with every day dose (i do 6 on, 1 off)
IM seems to me like unnecessary pinning....i would much rather a tiny ass insulin needle over a 25G or 23G needle for IM.
But have you had success this way? You could to the subq EOD if you wanted....but i have read 3X a week after workouts like 10 IU each time.

 

[Power36]

During this next blast I might try the ED every week day SubQ for the GH. Would for sure be less pinning.