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which steroids kick your immunity's ass?

which steroids (and ancillaries etc) lower immunity?

  • Test

    Votes: 1 16.7%
  • D-Bol

    Votes: 1 16.7%
  • Winny

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Primobolan

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Tren

    Votes: 3 50.0%
  • Anavar

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Beast, Diesel, Super, etc. (recent OTC orals)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Proviron

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Clomid

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Nolva

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Deca

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • HCG

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Anadrol

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • EQ

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • M1T

    Votes: 1 16.7%

  • Total voters
    6

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around 5-6 years ago I did my first real (albeit short and low dosage) cycle with the infamous M1T. If I remember correctly it was 4 weeker at 5mg ED. At the end I got pneumonia and after being in the best shape of my life I lost 17 lbs, most of which I credit to the sickness. I researched and found out that many people got the 'M1T flu' and that it can lower your immunity. Anyways, just wanted to poll which steroids can lower one's immune system. Any comments are welcome.

Thanks
 
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bump, or maybe i should rephrase... do any of the commonly used AAS have a negative effect on the immune system? was the M1T flu just an isolated side with that particular oral?

thanks
 
i get the flu from test and winny everytime and my joints start killing me and i get inflamations from old surgeries due to lower immunity specially if i start with a high dose from the begening like 1 gram per week, that's why i learned to start from the minimum dose 250mg/week and progressively to 750mg/week max , i add deca to boost my immune system and support my joints, not too much 50-100mg is enough and too much vitamin C and a multi vit too.
 
interesting. so u figure that deca boosts immunity but doesn't leave you compromised after stopping? or does it boost and then leave you lower after you quit?
 
interesting. so u figure that deca boosts immunity but doesn't leave you compromised after stopping? or does it boost and then leave you lower after you quit?

i think deca boosts because i have read it boosts and when i'm on i never get sick even if my gf is sick and i come in contact with viruses.
 
so what other aas boost immunity? i thought i read somewhere that primo might... anyone know by what mechanism tren and others lower immunity? what supps or actions can be taken to minimize this effect?

cheers
 
so what other aas boost immunity? i thought i read somewhere that primo might... anyone know by what mechanism tren and others lower immunity? what supps or actions can be taken to minimize this effect?

cheers
download this pdf file it explains about aas effect on immunity, it's only a 10 pages read, don't worry it's clean no viruses, i respect this board :)

and about what u can do to minimize the effect u can take vit c , multi vit , drink too much water , sleep 8 hours at least, and go up slowly with the dosage of any aas and keep it around the lower end recommended.
 
hey xman, thanks a lot for that pdf. i'll be reading it later today. looks very in depth at a glance. it's interesting to learn about all the extra precautions/supps one should take when on AAS to minimize sides. i appreciate all the info everyone.

:biggrin:
 
that was a good read. very in depth. this is what i get out of it. essentialy deca, oxandrolone, anadrol, and winstrol are immunity boosting whereas straight test (p.,c.,e.) lowers immunity (those seemed to be the only aas studied). This sentence sums it up...

In summary, the literature indicates that
supraphysiologic doses of AAS with an intact steroid
nucleus are immunosuppressive, while those with
alterations to the steroid nucleus are immunostimulatory.

So the question now is which of the mainstream AAS have 'alterations to the steroid nucleus'?



 
yeah surly, i saw those mentioned a few times in the article. i'm wondering about things like masteron, dbol, tren, proviron, boldenone, etc, etc (all the other mainstream gear that wasn't specifically mentioned).... which steroids have alterations to the nucleus as mentioned in the article?
 
with the drugs that have been extensivley studied, medical controlled studies, none have a direct effect either way, on immunity. this includes; oxandrolone, anadrol, testosterone, winstrol and nandrolone.

theoretically all steroids could inadvertently boost immunity by way of lean mass gains, metabolic stimulation and improved mood.

"test flu" is more likely a result of contaminants or excess ba in UG products. it could also be your immune system thinking that the substance is an "invader" so it sets in to fight it off with a fever.

trenbolone doesn't lower immunity per se. it's ill effects can be attribited to its potency and ill fit with human biology. there's a reason that it's never been ok'd for human use in any country in the world.
 
Deca-Durabolin aka nandrolone decanoate is available as a human grade and veterinarian grade. According to the study posted it does boost the immune system.
 
In summary, the literature indicates that
supraphysiologic doses of AAS with an intact steroid
nucleus are immunosuppressive, while those with
alterations to the steroid nucleus are immunostimulatory.
Testosterone has been shown to decrease NK activity
and the number of lymphocytes by inhibiting the
differentiation of stem cells into B lymphocytes, thereby
depressing antibody production and resulting in a
reduction in immune function. Testosterone propionate
similarly depressed the immune system. In contrast,
treatment with testolactone, oxandrolone and stanozolol
improved immune function. While these effects were
long lasting, continuing to influence the immune system
several weeks after the administration of a single dose,
the effects of various dosing regimes and of treatment
with combinations of AAS have not been clearly
elucidated.

Clinical and experimental evidence suggests that
gonadal steroids regulate immunological function
[
95,111]. Some studies suggest that AAS are
immunosuppressive [
102,112-116], while others suggest
that AAS enhance immune function [
117]. However, the
nature of their effects on the immune system depends
on the type of AAS used and the dose and timing of
administration. It has been shown that different AAS can
act in either immunosuppressive or immunostimulatory
manner [
52,102,103,107].

Mendenhall​
et al. [103] also used intact and castrated
rats to test the effects of endogenous gonadal hormones.
The rats were treated for 8 days with oxandrolone
(1.1 mg/kg/day,) testosterone (1.1 mg/kg/day),
or oxandrolone combined with physiologic amounts of
testosterone (15 ÎĽg/day). After 8 days of treatment with
oxandrolone, intact animals experienced a 41% increase
in T cell proliferation function. Conversely, rats treated
with testosterone experienced a 36% reduction in T cell
proliferation function. Rats treated with oxandrolone
and physiologic testosterone gave results that were

not significantly different to baseline. Therefore, any​
net immunostimulation was abolished by testosterone.
In general, castration resulted in an increase in
immune responses. Supraphysiologic doses of AAS,
as found during abuse, may mimic medical castration
by suppressing serum levels of gonadotropins (follicle-​

stimulating hormone and luteinizing hormone) and
testosterone [​
109]. However, treatment with oxandrolone
returned the DCH response in castrated rats to baseline
while treatment with oxandrolone and physiologic
testosterone produced an even greater suppression
(45%). Therefore only a direct immunosuppressive
effect was observed. These results appear to be linked
to the integrity of the steroid nucleus as those with
an intact steroid nucleus consistently produced an
immunosuppressive effect, while those with structural
alterations produced immunostimulation.



The above 3 cut and pastes are what related to it. Looks like anavar might have a great boosting capacity. Although it doesn't directly say that deca will improve T count it does infer that being a steroid that has an altered steroid nucleus it will improve immune function. My big question is which steroids fall into that category? It seems like deca, winny, and var do but what about all the other popular ones that weren't mentioned in the article?
 
around 5-6 years ago I did my first real (albeit short and low dosage) cycle with the infamous M1T. If I remember correctly it was 4 weeker at 5mg ED. At the end I got pneumonia and after being in the best shape of my life I lost 17 lbs, most of which I credit to the sickness. I researched and found out that many people got the 'M1T flu' and that it can lower your immunity. Anyways, just wanted to poll which steroids can lower one's immune system. Any comments are welcome.

Thanks

The ONLY AAS that has actually effected my well being and made me lethargic is when I was running TREN ACE 100MG daily with nothing else,,,no additional testosterone.
 
Its not as easy as this one does and that one doesnt.....

the literature indicates that
supraphysiologic doses of AAS


and

Some studies suggest that AAS are
immunosuppressive [102,112-116], while others suggest
that AAS enhance immune function [117]. However, the
nature of their effects on the immune system depends
on the type of AAS used and the dose and timing of
administration.


There is a lot more to this than just the levels of AAS also but where your other hormone levels sit in comparison play a bit of a role as well. Having estradiol below or above accepted lab values greatly increases chances of various diseases as well.
 
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In summary, the literature indicates that
supraphysiologic doses of AAS with an intact steroid
nucleus are immunosuppressive, while those with
alterations to the steroid nucleus are immunostimulatory.
Testosterone has been shown to decrease NK activity
and the number of lymphocytes by inhibiting the
differentiation of stem cells into B lymphocytes, thereby
depressing antibody production and resulting in a
reduction in immune function. Testosterone propionate
similarly depressed the immune system. In contrast,
treatment with testolactone, oxandrolone and stanozolol
improved immune function. While these effects were
long lasting, continuing to influence the immune system
several weeks after the administration of a single dose,
the effects of various dosing regimes and of treatment
with combinations of AAS have not been clearly
elucidated.

Clinical and experimental evidence suggests that
gonadal steroids regulate immunological function
[
95,111]. Some studies suggest that AAS are
immunosuppressive [
102,112-116], while others suggest
that AAS enhance immune function [
117]. However, the
nature of their effects on the immune system depends
on the type of AAS used and the dose and timing of
administration. It has been shown that different AAS can
act in either immunosuppressive or immunostimulatory
manner [
52,102,103,107].

Mendenhall​
et al. [103] also used intact and castrated
rats to test the effects of endogenous gonadal hormones.
The rats were treated for 8 days with oxandrolone
(1.1 mg/kg/day,) testosterone (1.1 mg/kg/day),
or oxandrolone combined with physiologic amounts of
testosterone (15 ÎĽg/day). After 8 days of treatment with
oxandrolone, intact animals experienced a 41% increase
in T cell proliferation function. Conversely, rats treated
with testosterone experienced a 36% reduction in T cell
proliferation function. Rats treated with oxandrolone
and physiologic testosterone gave results that were

not significantly different to baseline. Therefore, any​
net immunostimulation was abolished by testosterone.
In general, castration resulted in an increase in
immune responses. Supraphysiologic doses of AAS,
as found during abuse, may mimic medical castration
by suppressing serum levels of gonadotropins (follicle-​

stimulating hormone and luteinizing hormone) and
testosterone [​
109]. However, treatment with oxandrolone
returned the DCH response in castrated rats to baseline
while treatment with oxandrolone and physiologic
testosterone produced an even greater suppression
(45%). Therefore only a direct immunosuppressive
effect was observed. These results appear to be linked
to the integrity of the steroid nucleus as those with
an intact steroid nucleus consistently produced an
immunosuppressive effect, while those with structural
alterations produced immunostimulation.



The above 3 cut and pastes are what related to it. Looks like anavar might have a great boosting capacity. Although it doesn't directly say that deca will improve T count it does infer that being a steroid that has an altered steroid nucleus it will improve immune function. My big question is which steroids fall into that category? It seems like deca, winny, and var do but what about all the other popular ones that weren't mentioned in the article?

intersesting read, but it's still a bit ambiguous.

check out the studies on ox, andadrol , nandrolone and test in hiv
postitive peeps. they're certainly paying attention to immune
function in these real world studies. of course there's an over
all improvement in health-well being, but no T cell effect either
way. dosages are low to moderate by bb'ing standards and there
may be an entirely different effect at higher doses. oxandrolone
is usually 20 40 and 80 mgs. test is 100 200 400 and 600.

nandrolone is 50 100 200. anadrol is 1 mg - kg weight. studies are
usually 3 months duration. anywho, interseting stuff. you'll dig it.
 
intersesting read, but it's still a bit ambiguous.

check out the studies on ox, andadrol , nandrolone and test in hiv
postitive peeps. they're certainly paying attention to immune
function in these real world studies. of course there's an over
all improvement in health-well being, but no T cell effect either
way. dosages are low to moderate by bb'ing standards and there
may be an entirely different effect at higher doses. oxandrolone
is usually 20 40 and 80 mgs. test is 100 200 400 and 600.

nandrolone is 50 100 200. anadrol is 1 mg - kg weight. studies are
usually 3 months duration. anywho, interseting stuff. you'll dig it.


There is an effect on T cell count..

watch "bigger, stronger, faster."
 
Aids guy that hopped on Oxandrin trial at high dose.

He seems to be taking other AAS as well, I didn't see the full clip of him.
 
Aids guy that hopped on Oxandrin trial at high dose.

He seems to be taking other AAS as well, I didn't see the full clip of him.

we've already concluded that overall health which leads to improved
immune function..

we are talking about DIRECT effect on T 4 cells.
 
He said his T cells went from like 3 to 400 or some shit... watch the clip with him in it again.

i will and if he had a 3 T count, he'd be dead. 50 and you develop all sorts
of horrific infections including brain fungus, perpetual pneumonia etc..

but an ancedotal report on a juice documentary is hardly evidence.

if you go to the doc and find out you have a serious disease would
you care if he says, " i saw a movie about this last night and i'm going
to give you a treatment some guy said worked for him."

or would you prefer that he treats you in accordance to proven, clinically
studied methodology?
 
lol. Valid points, lay.
I would rather real studies.. but everyones anecdotal evidence with tren works pretty well with me here! lol

If I had AIDs I'd juice my ass off... of course... I do that anyways.
 
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