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Which Oral anabolic do you prefer?

Which oral anabolic do u prefer?

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1- Anadrol 50

2- Tbol

3- dbol

4- Halo

Which of the above do you prefer and why?
 
a50's are probly my no 1 oral as for me my strength gos through the roof and i dont get very many sides just a crazy bloat but that will soon come off any way
 
I like var to, im really gyno sensitive to d-bol unfortunatly but not as bad with test. but oral for me is var
 
For good results fast with the least amount of sides 40mg dbol ED. For the most even steady lower sides gains 60 mg/ day var and if you want to blow up like a balloon and torture your liver A50.
 
fitwitlem said:
I like var to, im really gyno sensitive to d-bol unfortunatly but not as bad with test. but oral for me is var
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Did you keep most of the gains you got from Var?
 
the_alcatraz said:
Did you keep most of the gains you got from Var?
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yeah, I did pretty good with my gains as far as keepable, but ran it with other stuff to and did a real good full pct after words. so it treated me verry well
 
for some reason i think im not prone to gyno no matter what i take so i say a50 gives me great results but var and methandienone are 2 different classes of drugs so they both really havetheir own place
 
I haven tried var yet and only heared good things but as said befor how can you go past the BIG RUSSSIAN. No cycle is the same without dbol that is for sure and i bet i can get a few amen's from the bro's on here.
 
gotta go with dbol... i did a 5 week adrol stack and felt like a total fatass... strength was threw the roof though. loved that part
 
love tbol. works well with my body. get great results! if i could still get them id get a life supply. lol
 
xrsist said:
var
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Alright, since a lot of people prefer this, I'm gonna need some input on it! I never tried it personally, but have had great results with dbol (although it brings pain) and Anadrol50.
 
daville said:
first time runnin var right now so my decision might change. im in day six @ 50mg a day.
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Keep us posted with results. Have you tried anything other than Var out of the above orals?
 
halfcenturian said:
I LOVE Halo... it's just so freakin' toxic. No other oral comes close.

1. Dbol
2. Var
3. Halo
4. Tbol
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Halo is frickin awesome bro :chomp: I always keep most of my gains on it and it helps me get endurance when I'm fighting.

However, I believe the most toxic one is Anadrol 50...I dose it at 100-150mg / day.
 
halfcenturian said:
I LOVE Halo... it's just so freakin' toxic. No other oral comes close.

ya toxic to evryone around you. if it didnt make me so damn irritable id take 24/7/365..........
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the_alcatraz said:
1- Anadrol 50

2- Tbol

3- dbol

4- Halo

Which of the above do you prefer and why?
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I love ANADROL for a hardcore oral,,,,but all time fave is ANAVAR!
 
I find it strange that no one has voted for Halo. I think that stuff is awesome.
 
Personally just from past results I have to go the almighty D-BOL!!! The most I ever gained on a cycle, strength and size was a High Test+Reforvit B!!!!! For some reason Ref-B always seemed to be more effective then the tabs for me. I will soon be on A-Bombs for the 1st time though so we'll see!!!!!
 
Nohaters78 said:
Personally just from past results I have to go the almighty D-BOL!!! The most I ever gained on a cycle, strength and size was a High Test+Reforvit B!!!!! For some reason Ref-B always seemed to be more effective then the tabs for me. I will soon be on A-Bombs for the 1st time though so we'll see!!!!!
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You'll love A-bombs....you will grow big time...but you'll also get a lot of water retention and your weights will increase exponentially.
 
Dbol always gets the party started but I luv Var.
I have ran both at low ED mgs and have had great results... I think a lot of bros run way too high mgs of both Dbol and Var and should experiment with lower doses.
What works well for one bro may not for another.

BigGuy
 
BigGuyPHX said:
Dbol always gets the party started but I luv Var.
I have ran both at low ED mgs and have had great results... I think a lot of bros run way too high mgs of both Dbol and Var and should experiment with lower doses.
What works well for one bro may not for another.

BigGuy
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I always like to use bodyweight as one of the factors in determining how much oral steroids one should be consuming. It does differ from one person to another I suppose.
 
D-bol..always use at the start of a cycle...it's like Ol' faithful for me.

Halo I think is ideal for MMA/fighter but not so much for BB'ing and probably why not rated too highly. Improves endurance and strength but not too much growth from it and of course aggresiveness is increased.
 
Access said:
D-bol..always use at the start of a cycle...it's like Ol' faithful for me.

Halo I think is ideal for MMA/fighter but not so much for BB'ing and probably why not rated too highly. Improves endurance and strength but not too much growth from it and of course aggresiveness is increased.
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Is Halo regularily used with fighters?
 
bbkingpin said:
Why are you asking then, bro? If you already have your mind made up?
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I don't. I've taken almost all of the above and I like them all. I just want to see everybody else's views on them.
 
P4D2A022 said:
you should have added winny and cheque drops in man
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Personally, I prefer winny injectables. I know they hurt like a bitch and everyone thinks it's the same as drinkable winny, but I like the injectables more...
 
P4D2A022 said:
oh ok. i hear ya. ppl say inj winny gives better results. do u feel that is true dude?
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Never tried oral winny, but injectable winny is solid.
 
Dbol. Cheap, works fast, and good strength.

Bad sides for me are the bloat, and anything over 40 mg/day and I can't walk up stairs without the low back pumps.
 
hardrock said:
Dbol. Cheap, works fast, and good strength.

Bad sides for me are the bloat, and anything over 40 mg/day and I can't walk up stairs without the low back pumps.
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Heard several people mention those on the board. What are those?
 
the_alcatraz said:
Heard several people mention those on the board. What are those?
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It's where your lower back muscles get pumped and filled with blood as if you were doing good mornings or back extentions. It is quite uncomfortable tho. Dbol gives you excellent pumps. just not always when you want them :)
 
hardrock said:
It's where your lower back muscles get pumped and filled with blood as if you were doing good mornings or back extentions. It is quite uncomfortable tho. Dbol gives you excellent pumps. just not always when you want them :)
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Strange. Never had that happen to me while on dbol.
 
the_alcatraz said:
Never tried oral winny, but injectable winny is solid.
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i dont mess with injecting winny anymore so i just usually get tabs. too risky imo with water based.
 
8and20 said:
i dont mess with injecting winny anymore so i just usually get tabs. too risky imo with water based.
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I love winny. I dnt know, I just like to inject it.
 
i always hated poking winny cuz i couldn't walk for 3 days, but was always worth it. when it got bad i'd drink it but i would always go back to jabbin it when i had a spot that wasn't too sore.
 
bbkingpin said:
Ultimately, I don't think anyone keeps much, if any, of gains from any aas if you stay off long enough.
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Realy? What the longest you've or anyone kept what they had before loosing it . or if you were just starting to and just started another cycle?
 
dbol - best all around
tbol - had nice gain from tbol only cycle
abombs - loved the incredable gains, age keeps me from using now
halo - one of the few I have never used
 
Wow dbol has ran away with this one and it's the only one I've tried out of these but it's been awhile. I had thought about tbol but maybe not after this poll.
 
var. No sides at all, and I get decent strength, fat loss and pure muscle gains on very low dosages(25mg)

halo did absolutely nothing for me except cost me a shitload of cash, probably had fake halo.
 
Mighty-d said:
I see it old thread but voted anyway

Dbol, old school baby.
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dbol dbol dbol dbol fucking dbol all the fucking way baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
needtogetaas said:
dbol dbol dbol dbol fucking dbol all the fucking way baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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dbol is sooo like oldschool.... :p
 
My face gains to much weight when I do Dbol... I hold water bad when I do orals
 
Arabian said:
My face gains to much weight when I do Dbol... I hold water bad when I do orals
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me too. Check out my avatar. I was on anadrol 50, 150 mgs ed, decca, 400mg / week and susta250, 500mgs / week. I hold HUGE amounts of water.
 
Harleymarleybone said:
None. I love my liver and it loves me.
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that's why you have rALA, milk thisle, NAC and some say cranberry juice.
 
the_alcatraz said:
me too. Check out my avatar. I was on anadrol 50, 150 mgs ed, decca, 400mg / week and susta250, 500mgs / week. I hold HUGE amounts of water.
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same here... what do you use to for bloat?
 
Arabian said:
same here... what do you use to for bloat?
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usually only proviron and clomid for pct...nothing else...anti-e helps me decrease bloating...
 
the_alcatraz said:
that's why you have rALA, milk thisle, NAC and some say cranberry juice.
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Really? Please provide primary research (non-anecdotal) that shows these compounds, particularly Milk Thistle, (which is the most popular), provide sufficient liver protection against the assault the liver takes from oral AAS.
 
Harleymarleybone said:
Really? Please provide primary research (non-anecdotal) that shows these compounds, particularly Milk Thistle, (which is the most popular), provide sufficient liver protection against the assault the liver takes from oral AAS.
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Mav, care to elaborate on this?
 
Harleymarleybone said:
Really? Please provide primary research (non-anecdotal) that shows these compounds, particularly Milk Thistle, (which is the most popular), provide sufficient liver protection against the assault the liver takes from oral AAS.
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On the other hand, get a plat membership and do a plat search and find a million different posts where people have posted links and information regarding how to minimize liver toxins caused by orals by using the above mentioned products. If there is something you don't know, don't make yourself look stupid by pretending that you do.
 
Tbol is the only oral I have tried. It was ok,,,,nothing to brag about.
I hear people talking so much how d-bol is the shizzatt. Have never used d-bol due to the fact I dont want to blow up quickly and start getting the "famous question". Whats the lowest dose of dbol you have used and it still was effective?
 
mark me down for dbol. this should be a landslide victory for dbol. should have thrown in var and winny in there and you would have had better poll info. Rock-n-Roll.
 
the_alcatraz said:
On the other hand, get a plat membership and do a plat search and find a million different posts where people have posted links and information regarding how to minimize liver toxins caused by orals by using the above mentioned products. If there is something you don't know, don't make yourself look stupid by pretending that you do.
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There are millions of references in historical documents that the Earth is flat, too. Most of the stuff on the internet about Milk Thistle is written by people who are selling it. Hmm. Let's think. And lots of people take this advertising drivel as gospel. If you think you actually know these products provide sufficient liver protection against AAS, it would seem you would have scientific evidence to back it up rather than mere hearsay and anecdote.

And what do you mean by "minimize"? How much does it "minimize"?
 
the_alcatraz said:
On the other hand, get a plat membership and do a plat search and find a million different posts where people have posted links and information regarding how to minimize liver toxins caused by orals by using the above mentioned products. If there is something you don't know, don't make yourself look stupid by pretending that you do.
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Here is some knowledge for you (not just "lots of bros say so"):

"Conclusions

Clinical efficacy of milk thistle is not clearly established. Interpretation of the evidence is hampered by poor study methods and/or poor quality of reporting in publications. Problems in study design include heterogeneity in etiology and extent of liver disease, small sample sizes, and variation in formulation, dosing, and duration of milk thistle therapy. Possible benefit has been shown most frequently, but not consistently, for improvement in aminotransferases and liver function tests are overwhelmingly the most common outcome measure studied. Survival and other clinical outcome measures have been studied least often, with both positive and negative findings. Available evidence is not sufficient to suggest whether milk thistle may be more effective for some liver diseases than others or if effectiveness might be related to duration of therapy or chronicity and severity of liver disease. Regarding adverse effects, little evidence is available regarding causality, but available evidence does suggest that milk thistle is associated with few, and generally minor, adverse effects."



http://www.ahrq.gov/clinic/epcsums/milktsum.htm

Nothing here says milk thistle provides sufficient protection against oral AAS toxins. By the way the above cite contains a summary of all the relevant research.
 
the_alcatraz said:
Mav, care to elaborate on this?
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the milk thistle is on very shakey ground - meta-study and later commentary by the authors says benefit cant be established and sides cant be ruled out. - I wouldnt waste time and money on it.

rALA, nac on the other hand have studies showing effectiveness at protection and regeneration (you'll have to dig them out yourselves :) )
 
Harleymarleybone said:
Here is some knowledge for you (not just "lots of bros say so"):

"Conclusions

Clinical efficacy of milk thistle is not clearly established. Interpretation of the evidence is hampered by poor study methods and/or poor quality of reporting in publications. Problems in study design include heterogeneity in etiology and extent of liver disease, small sample sizes, and variation in formulation, dosing, and duration of milk thistle therapy. Possible benefit has been shown most frequently, but not consistently, for improvement in aminotransferases and liver function tests are overwhelmingly the most common outcome measure studied. Survival and other clinical outcome measures have been studied least often, with both positive and negative findings. Available evidence is not sufficient to suggest whether milk thistle may be more effective for some liver diseases than others or if effectiveness might be related to duration of therapy or chronicity and severity of liver disease. Regarding adverse effects, little evidence is available regarding causality, but available evidence does suggest that milk thistle is associated with few, and generally minor, adverse effects."



http://www.ahrq.gov/clinic/epcsums/milktsum.htm

Nothing here says milk thistle provides sufficient protection against oral AAS toxins. By the way the above cite contains a summary of all the relevant research.
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It's funny how you only attack milkthisle, which is the last of my references. Do you have any evidence against rALA or NAC?

I can easily google milkthisle and get some good reviews about it, what's your point. You know how to use google. Big deal. Like I care if you want to use orals or not.
 
the_alcatraz said:
It's funny how you only attack milkthisle, which is the last of my references. Do you have any evidence against rALA or NAC?

I can easily google milkthisle and get some good reviews about it, what's your point. You know how to use google. Big deal. Like I care if you want to use orals or not.
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Milk thistle is the most popularly referenced; hence I focused on it. Where are your reviews that show milk thistle has any more effectiveness than, say, pissing on a burning house?

You are the one who said he thinks he knows that rALA or NAC are effective. If you know that then I would think you would be able to provide objective support for your knowledge. I merely asked for that support. Apparently you don't have any. So why did you recommend something you don't know about?

Well, you cared enough to take the time to post that if I take orals, I can use these products to protect my liver. I just don't think it is cool to give advice to people (and lots of people read these posts) about which you don't have knowledge.
 
Harleymarleybone said:
Milk thistle is the most popularly referenced; hence I focused on it. Where are your reviews that show milk thistle has any more effectiveness than, say, pissing on a burning house?

You are the one who said he thinks he knows that rALA or NAC are effective. If you know that then I would think you would be able to provide objective support for your knowledge. I merely asked for that support. Apparently you don't have any. So why did you recommend something you don't know about?

The issue is not merely why I won't take orals. Presumably, one of the main purposes of this board is to provide knowledge about AAS use, and your post is not based on knowledge.
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I know pretty much everything there is to know abotu orals simply because i think they are pretty effective and i like to incorporate them in most of my cycles. They're an easy way to add mass. I don't think they're that hazardous if you take the proper procedures.

rALA:

"ALA is one of the very few substances that can actually cross the blood/brain barrier to enter the brain and go directly where it is needed most. ALA supplementation causes increased levels of glutathione, which helps the body dispose of toxins. "

http://www.ralapure.com/

NAC:

NAC is a supplement used by PHAs. NAC stands for N-acetyl-cysteine and is similar to the amino acid cysteine. Taking NAC helps to increase levels of the protective compound glutathione (GSH) in the body.

Basically helps with getting rid of toxins.

http://www.catie.ca/supple-e.nsf/07d5dd50a873071d85256863005cb89f/b740eedf3eed4b9285256c230050c88d!OpenDocument

I can also google. I've read some sources about those being really effective in getting rid of toxins in the body and when used with oral anabolics.

You can take my word for it or do your own research it's up to you. I'm not here to criticize you, was just trying to help you out.
 
the_alcatraz said:
I know pretty much everything there is to know abotu orals simply because i think they are pretty effective and i like to incorporate them in most of my cycles. They're an easy way to add mass. I don't think they're that hazardous if you take the proper procedures.

rALA:

"ALA is one of the very few substances that can actually cross the blood/brain barrier to enter the brain and go directly where it is needed most. ALA supplementation causes increased levels of glutathione, which helps the body dispose of toxins. "

http://www.ralapure.com/

NAC:

NAC is a supplement used by PHAs. NAC stands for N-acetyl-cysteine and is similar to the amino acid cysteine. Taking NAC helps to increase levels of the protective compound glutathione (GSH) in the body.

Basically helps with getting rid of toxins.

http://www.catie.ca/supple-e.nsf/07d5dd50a873071d85256863005cb89f/b740eedf3eed4b9285256c230050c88d!OpenDocument

I can also google. I've read some sources about those being really effective in getting rid of toxins in the body and when used with oral anabolics.

You can take my word for it or do your own research it's up to you. I'm not here to criticize you, was just trying to help you out.
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Well, there is googling and there is googling. Your ralapure link is a site that sells rALA, so it is not an objective, unbiased source. Of course, they are going to hype its benefits. Your other source is better on the objective front, but in both cases your googling has only produced brief statements about "helping" to reduce toxins. In neither case does it say that these compounds help much or whether they are any more effective than say pissing on a burning house. What would be useful is some kind of research that shows an effective dose of oral AAS produces x amount of liver enzymes over the safe/normal range, and that any or all of the compounds you mentioned had a significant effect in pushing them towards the safe/normal range.
 
Harleymarleybone said:
Well, there is googling and there is googling. Your ralapure link is a site that sells rALA, so it is not an objective, unbiased source. Of course, they are going to hype its benefits. Your other source is better on the objective front, but in both cases your googling has only produced brief statements about "helping" to reduce toxins. In neither case does it say that these compounds help much or whether they are any more effective than say pissing on a burning house. What would be useful is some kind of research that shows an effective dose of oral AAS produces x amount of liver enzymes over the safe/normal range, and that any or all of the compounds you mentioned had a significant effect in pushing them towards the safe/normal range.
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I'll look into that for you. But I'm pretty sure they make a big difference. I've tried NAC and milk thisle and my liver has survived.
 
the_alcatraz said:
I'll look into that for you. But I'm pretty sure they make a big difference. I've tried NAC and milk thisle and my liver has survived.
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How do you know your liver would not have survived anyway?
:)
 
Harleymarleybone said:
How do you know your liver would not have survived anyway?
:)
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Because I tired dbol without taking any of the mentioned above and...let's just say it was the wrong thing to do. Anadrol is more toxic than dbol.
 
the_alcatraz said:
Because I tired dbol without taking any of the mentioned above and...let's just say it was the wrong thing to do. Anadrol is more toxic than dbol.
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Did you have your liver values checked and what were they? I would be interested to know.
 
I kept the majority of my gains. Even after not being able to lift consistantly for the past 1 1/2 years I'm still pretty solid man. I'm only like 175 but solid
the_alcatraz said:
Did you keep most of the gains you got from Var?
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