whats up yall. i've got several questions. first of all i am 23 years old been training for about 7 years always been active and have never juiced. although i have always been in the gym i have never been under 8% bf. since i ahve never juiced i have always had the mindset that i would have to carry a little bf and give my body a fair chance to grow and just stay patient. i am 6 foot 215 and finally satisfied with my physique. i truely feel that if i was to lean up and see what my weak points are that competing would be an option. i have great training habits and my diet habits are progressing. i get up and go to the gym around 530 and do 45-1hr of cardio during the week. right now i jog but the more i read on fat loss the more isee about walking on the treadmill at4.0 incline at 3.5 speed or riding the bike with a good amount of resistance. and some of the juice heads in the gym are always telling me that their method is better for fatloss whilr mine will begin to eat up muscle. is this true. what should i be doing. and are htey getting the results that they are due to the chemical advantage or are they right even for an all natural guy.