What's with the rec...

[glennds]

It's not like I had much of a choice-my source flaked w/ only a couple days notice. The bastard knew he was running out too and he didn't tell me-probably cuz he was afraid I'd find another source, ultimately hurting his biz. I don't think he expected me to quit altogether. If someone would've offered me some during my 3 days of WD's I probably would still be using today. About a month later my source called me-said he was back in biz. I never returned his call. April 16th of 2005 was the last time I took it. Maybe next month I should celebrate my one yr off Nubain by tooting up an 8 ball of blow and huffing some red paint??? I wonder if it will affect my workouts negatively???

if you really wanted to stay on nubain you probably could have found another source.

 

[BigCracker]

if you really wanted to stay on nubain you probably could have found another source.

You're absolutely right. I could've had a bottle sent via overnight mail which would've cost me 2.5 x what I normally paid. I guess I didn't want it that bad???

 

[BigCracker]

BigCracker. Things happen for a reason and it is great that your source ran out on you cause who knows where you would be. I just feel that we need to stop accepting the fact that people use recreational drugs and try to put an end to their use.

As crazy as it sounds to most non drug users, smoking weed is often what keeps people from using hard drugs like coke and RX drugs like Percs. I've never been a big fan of alcohol cuz it's extra calories and affects my training the next day. I haven't had a beer in almost a year.

I truly wonder what would be more harmful to your health long term-smoking weed 2-3x/day or consuming 2 cases of beer/wk? I also wonder how much more popular weed would be if you could buy it OTC like cigarettes? IMNSHO if it weren't for the paper industry's fear of taking a $$$ hit(no pun intended) from hemp legalization and the alcohol/tobacco companies fear of competition from weed it would already be legal. Weed is pretty tame in comparison to other drugs-even RX drugs like percs and oxycontin. I'd much rather see people punished for the manufacture/distribution of meth. It's gotta be the most evil Rec Drug ever conceived.

People talk openly about their Prozac RX's yet weed use /roid use has to be kept in the closet??? Gimme a break.

 

[nuevo laredo]

I guess I see your point, but I don't think you get anywhere in life by being wishy-washy and trying to please "everyone". I've always admitted when I was wrong (which is often) - but to ask me to "chill" is asking me to change the person I am - and that's not going to happen.

I shoot from the hip - if you don't like it, - get out of the way, and let me know about it.

I am actually a very understanding person.................

I definitely don't want anyone to change just as I wouldn't expect anyone to make me change.
Also, I wasn't suggesting being wishy-washy or asking you to cater to the lowest common demoninator. To use your analogy I was asking you to avoid friendly kills when "shooting from the hip". That's all. Not even sure why I care; it may be some leftover thoughts from a negative interaction I had with Mr and Mrs Indy. I'll let you know if I think I've seen some innocent bystanders get mowed down by you.

There are a lot of politics and hidden agendas here at EF. Some are open about their agenda while others you have to read between the lines. I don't get involved because I don't have time and frankly I don't care. I relate better to real life interaction and true "bros" that have become "bros" by chasing pussy together, cheating death together, getting in trouble, and all the othert things that create strong bonds.

I'm glad to see someone challenging the status quo and asking questions outside of the box. The first post I remember reading from you was a "what if" scenario addressing using AAS in a person with a high bf%. Many were just repeating the same mantra about no AAS unti less than 10% (or whatever) and missing the point that it was an academic "what if" exercise. The thread turned out great and made people think.

-NL

 

[mendo]

I never would have stopped using recs if I didn't start taking AAS.

I was the biggest dumbass around now that I look back. I had a leather jacket with a fucking special hidden pocket sewn-in, just so I could always walk around with an 8ball of coke! How fucked up is that. I thought I was the coolest mofo lol. I was a weekend warrior who always wanted to pushe the party to the extreme. I would lift heavy and eat right all week, just to throw it all away over the weekend cause I wanted to out-drink and out-snort my buddies. I must have spent about 4 years busting ass without getting anywhere with my body. Actually I gained fat.

Then when I ran my first cycle I was suddenly in a dilemma. There was no way I was going to go through all the hassle of buying and injecting AAS and just waste my gains. Just something about putting time into planning out my cycle, spending the cash...and sticking a needle in my ass regularly that made me get serious and drop the partying. And I'm not gonnna lie, I've had a drink or two since then, but its literally once or twice a year now and I've never looked back. Ive been clean, sober, making my way through college and following my dreams. Meanwhile I had a friend who got hooked on oxy and another that got hooked on heroin. I stopped hanging with the ones who turned to meth early on...so I have no idea what happened to them.

I'm not Mr just-say-no. I think you should be allowed to do whatever you want to your body, and talk about it too...as long as it doesn't screw anyone else's life up. But in my case recs were killing me and AAS was part of me getting my life together. So there is a huge difference to me.

 

[DannoMight]

As crazy as it sounds to most non drug users, smoking weed is often what keeps people from using hard drugs like coke and RX drugs like Percs. I've never been a big fan of alcohol cuz it's extra calories and affects my training the next day. I haven't had a beer in almost a year.

I truly wonder what would be more harmful to your health long term-smoking weed 2-3x/day or consuming 2 cases of beer/wk? I also wonder how much more popular weed would be if you could buy it OTC like cigarettes? IMNSHO if it weren't for the paper industry's fear of taking a $$$ hit(no pun intended) from hemp legalization and the alcohol/tobacco companies fear of competition from weed it would already be legal. Weed is pretty tame in comparison to other drugs-even RX drugs like percs and oxycontin. I'd much rather see people punished for the manufacture/distribution of meth. It's gotta be the most evil Rec Drug ever conceived.

People talk openly about their Prozac RX's yet weed use /roid use has to be kept in the closet??? Gimme a break.

You must spread some Karma around before giving it to BigCracker again.

Exactly weed can be beneficial if used properly. Just a couple hits of some kind will get you where you need = good buzz and a stimulated appetite + your not nearly as impaired as when you would be after a few drinks. Also it doesn't destroy your liver like booze and boozin it while on AAS is doing a double hit to your liver and then some. MODERATION IS KEY!!

 

[i am what i am]

I never would have stopped using recs if I didn't start taking AAS.

I was the biggest dumbass around now that I look back. I had a leather jacket with a fucking special hidden pocket sewn-in, just so I could always walk around with an 8ball of coke! How fucked up is that. I thought I was the coolest mofo lol. I was a weekend warrior who always wanted to pushe the party to the extreme. I would lift heavy and eat right all week, just to throw it all away over the weekend cause I wanted to out-drink and out-snort my buddies. I must have spent about 4 years busting ass without getting anywhere with my body. Actually I gained fat.

Then when I ran my first cycle I was suddenly in a dilemma. There was no way I was going to go through all the hassle of buying and injecting AAS and just waste my gains. Just something about putting time into planning out my cycle, spending the cash...and sticking a needle in my ass regularly that made me get serious and drop the partying. And I'm not gonnna lie, I've had a drink or two since then, but its literally once or twice a year now and I've never looked back. Ive been clean, sober, making my way through college and following my dreams. Meanwhile I had a friend who got hooked on oxy and another that got hooked on heroin. I stopped hanging with the ones who turned to meth early on...so I have no idea what happened to them.

I'm not Mr just-say-no. I think you should be allowed to do whatever you want to your body, and talk about it too...as long as it doesn't screw anyone else's life up. But in my case recs were killing me and AAS was part of me getting my life together. So there is a huge difference to me.

great post bro.

I understand about the weed thing how a lot of guys use it to down more calories or to help with recovery or aching muslces. But weed also has its drawbacks.

This wasn't suppose to be a debate about if it was ok to use them or not. It was based primarily on the fact that this is an anabolic steriod forum, and should only be about steroids. But I guess Ii never realized how much recreational drugs have become an essential part of the BB community. Its kinda really sad.

 

[itlnstln]

I definitely don't want anyone to change just as I wouldn't expect anyone to make me change.
Also, I wasn't suggesting being wishy-washy or asking you to cater to the lowest common demoninator. To use your analogy I was asking you to avoid friendly kills when "shooting from the hip". That's all. Not even sure why I care; it may be some leftover thoughts from a negative interaction I had with Mr and Mrs Indy. I'll let you know if I think I've seen some innocent bystanders get mowed down by you.

There are a lot of politics and hidden agendas here at EF. Some are open about their agenda while others you have to read between the lines. I don't get involved because I don't have time and frankly I don't care. I relate better to real life interaction and true "bros" that have become "bros" by chasing pussy together, cheating death together, getting in trouble, and all the othert things that create strong bonds.

I'm glad to see someone challenging the status quo and asking questions outside of the box. The first post I remember reading from you was a "what if" scenario addressing using AAS in a person with a high bf%. Many were just repeating the same mantra about no AAS unti less than 10% (or whatever) and missing the point that it was an academic "what if" exercise. The thread turned out great and made people think.

-NL

Wow - i'm compared to Satch and Indy/Indy's Wife in less than 24hours


***awesome***

 

[BigCracker]

I find it to be strange when AAS users think weed is this horrible drug. The avg person would probably think jabbing your ass w/ a needle is a lot worse. Weed also affects everyone differently. Like alcohol, it's definitely not for everyone. The effects of weed also vary widely based on the strain. I know a lot of guys that use it as an appetite stimulant. Ironically a lot of guys I know also use it to curb hunger pangs when dieting.(it's possible to mentally shut off the munchie-sides after awhile)

Weed is most alluring to me because it's something you can use to relax without the calories/liver toxicity of alcohol. I imagine you could minimize the toxicity of weed by using a water pipe or even better, a vaporizer. Also smoking the higher quality-higher thc content-more expensive stuff would substantially reduce the negative effects on the body because you'd only need a small amount for desired effects.

 

[mendo]

I don't even put weed in the same category as other recs or even AAS. I don't think weed should be regulated for adults at all. I see no probs with weed use. It can be very useful for many things...including bulking. Of course it should be used carefully just like anything else.