Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below What is happening to this board. I don't want to be rude but dudes asking for juice that weigh 135 are full of shit. Next thing they will be asking if anybody knows where to get any "STUFF" . If you are one of these dudes eat some food and lift heavy and stay off the juice for a while. At 20 years old your test levels are at their peaks. Do a little work and then maybe in a couple of years after your body is done growing naturally do something. Man this pisses me off. I did.t really start gaining good weight till I WAS 24 OR 25 . Sorry for my venting to all the serious guys on the board I appologize for being a dick I just thought it had to be said. I hope you guys agree.
What's Up With These 135 Pound Dudes?
- Thread starter bigdog9
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Damn...6'0 and 150 at 13 yrs. old...But, nottt thinking of juice. I ate everything in the house trying to grow. Lived in the gym for about 6 years. Now 6'4 295 lbs and 34 yrs. old, getting ready for my 1st cycle. Been studying a yaer. These guys need to wait. Do I hear 325?
well i am at 135 pounds and depress. all you had to tell me man was that i think you should wait awhile before you start to juice. you didn't have to call me a dumb ass. we are not all as lucky as you. we didn't weigh 135 pounds when we were 10 years old. well at lest you can do is help me out on my eating shcedule.
lilman22, Damn dude, RELAX. The 1st thing you need to do is like YOURSELF!!!!
There is no magic pill. You have done the 1st part by typing this thread. People on the board will do alot for you if you slow down and do as Yenigma and Bigdog9
have recommended. You need to have a base 1st.
I know this sounds like everyone is downing you, but they are only trying to help. Go to the gym. Read, learn how to train. How do you eat now? How tall are you? If you want some help, give a little more info.
Ironman65
There is no magic pill. You have done the 1st part by typing this thread. People on the board will do alot for you if you slow down and do as Yenigma and Bigdog9
have recommended. You need to have a base 1st.
I know this sounds like everyone is downing you, but they are only trying to help. Go to the gym. Read, learn how to train. How do you eat now? How tall are you? If you want some help, give a little more info.
Ironman65
I have got to agree with Hello Kitty on this one. Just think about what you said. You graduated high school weighing 175. I was athletic in high school, and ate everything in sight. I remember my parents complaining about how much I ate. Do you want to guess what I weighed when I graduated? About a buck o' five. Now I did not take any gear immediately after high school, but if I knew then what I now know, I sure as hell would have.
Do you guys really think you are fooling anybody? Recommending to get 30 pounds over what this guy probably EVER wants to weigh before he touches the gear? Get real. Not everybody wants to be Mr. O and not everybody has the genetics to be Mr. O. One of my best friends has no concept of how to eat right. In high school he dranks constantly, and was twice as strong as anybody else his size. And to top it off, he had a fucking 6 pack abs constantly. Does that mean I should be more like him to get stronger? No, it means he is gifted genetically in that department. He benched 315 when he was 17.
Yes, I gained a hell of a lot of weight natural compared to where I started, but I honestly believe that was wasted time. I am talking years here. Years of minimal, if not zero gains. I can now beat that by week 3 of a cycle. And if you are going to juice, what does having a base have to do with anything? What about these guys gaining 40 pounds on their first cycle? I would call that a base. And they shaved 4 years off of what they were going to do naturally.
I could go on and on about this (lol, I already have), but if the gear is there, why not use it? The way I look at it, if you are 5'11" 200 pounds and 7% bodyfat, then you really don't need a.s at all. The 135 pounders are the ones who really need it.
Do you guys really think you are fooling anybody? Recommending to get 30 pounds over what this guy probably EVER wants to weigh before he touches the gear? Get real. Not everybody wants to be Mr. O and not everybody has the genetics to be Mr. O. One of my best friends has no concept of how to eat right. In high school he dranks constantly, and was twice as strong as anybody else his size. And to top it off, he had a fucking 6 pack abs constantly. Does that mean I should be more like him to get stronger? No, it means he is gifted genetically in that department. He benched 315 when he was 17.
Yes, I gained a hell of a lot of weight natural compared to where I started, but I honestly believe that was wasted time. I am talking years here. Years of minimal, if not zero gains. I can now beat that by week 3 of a cycle. And if you are going to juice, what does having a base have to do with anything? What about these guys gaining 40 pounds on their first cycle? I would call that a base. And they shaved 4 years off of what they were going to do naturally.
I could go on and on about this (lol, I already have), but if the gear is there, why not use it? The way I look at it, if you are 5'11" 200 pounds and 7% bodyfat, then you really don't need a.s at all. The 135 pounders are the ones who really need it.
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MikeyLikesJuice
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well if they are 20 years old and up, and weigh 135, and have been training, and have bad genetics, sure I think they should juice, they are depressed I'm sure. I was depressed when I weighed 160, I could imagine 135. I won't be happy until I hit 225, I think.
HOLY SHIT!!! 135 out of high school. I was like 205 @ 6' and with my frame, I still looked malnourished. My 10 year old son just busted 100 solid as a rock. He's gonna be bigger than me by the time he's 18 if I don't juice. Damn! A buck 35. Being a white guy going through the Baltimore city schools in the 70s, I would have been killed if I were that small. You must of been brought up in the burbs or box like Roy Jones Jr or both. Fuck waiting. Don't pass go, proceed directly to your neighborhood gas station and buy some gear today!
THE BOUNCER
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SO WHAT HE WEIGHTS 135 POUNDS. DON'T YOU THINK HE IS ALREADY DEPRESSED ABOUT IT? I WEIGHED 135 POUNDS WHEN I WAS 11 YEARS OLD BUT I DON'T THINK I AM BETTER THAN ANYBODY. MODESTY IS A VIRTUE. LEAVE THE KID ALONE.
You guys are full of shit. You think cuz you are 200+ that no one else can be skinny? It should be opposite, you guys who are 210+ SHOUL NOT be on teh juice, you are big enough. Me, Im 4'10, 31 years old and 3 weeks ago my max weight was 150. This was after a year of training and eating big with 250 grams of protien a day. I went from 143 to 150 in a year. You say I shouldnt Juice? Hell, Im on my 1st cycle of dbol/sus250 and into week 3. Training HARD, eating BIG, and my protien intake is more than enough. For us hard gainers it is not as easy as drinking milk and eating peanut butter. It does not work like that. I think if someone is 135lb at 5'10 and over 21 they should juice if they want to, not be deterred by a 210lb guy with good genetics. No the juice is not a miracle pill, but if it helps me pack on 10-15lbs of permanant muscle Ill be happy. My goal is 175-180, Im now at 164. In High School I was 5'10 118lbs. This was at my graduation. I got to 130 when I was 26, and 140 when I was 29 (fat gut) didnt hit the 150 till I trained for a year. SO to all of you who think small frame guys shouldnt juice, who do you think it benefits more? A skinny guy that can go from 130-175 or a genetic freak who is already big just to look bigger?
I don't think weight is so much the issue. I weighed 155Lbs comming out of HS. I started training when I was 17 years old ( now 25) I don't think I learned to train correclty until I was 22. This might have been a slow example but I don't think steroids should come in until you know how to train correctly and have some generall idea on how to eat. If I used gear back when I was 20 I would have wasted the cycle do to poor diet and bad training( which at the time I thought was good) I by no means a pro I have only done two cycles and am no where near where I want to be ( 5'8 190 around 12%) I was sticking at 170 for years so I tuned to gear
I think once you hit a sticking point and have training and eating in perspective then juice is an option. I hate when people say you should not start until you are 200LBS because there is no way in HELL icould reach that naturally. I have not cycled in over a year and am having a tough time holding the 190.
I also think you have to be dedicated when you take gear. training is # 1 priority. At 20 yrs old this would not have been viable for me do to going out and partying. when I do a cycle I refrain from all that garbage and believe me it is not easy. I think being 20 is to young just in that aspect but agin this is opinion
I think once you hit a sticking point and have training and eating in perspective then juice is an option. I hate when people say you should not start until you are 200LBS because there is no way in HELL icould reach that naturally. I have not cycled in over a year and am having a tough time holding the 190.
I also think you have to be dedicated when you take gear. training is # 1 priority. At 20 yrs old this would not have been viable for me do to going out and partying. when I do a cycle I refrain from all that garbage and believe me it is not easy. I think being 20 is to young just in that aspect but agin this is opinion
lilman22
Are you 135 pounds of pure muscle (5% bf) or are you 135 pounds of pure lard?
How do you train? What exercises, how many reps, how much weight do you use?
What and how often do you eat? Give an honest description of what you consume regularly in a day?
Have you experimented with "natural" supplements?
Ex: Pure whey, creatine, etc.
Steroids should be an option for you only after you have exhausted your natural ability to make gains.
Look at it as sort of a rite of passage.
Conside this example: You copy the first cycle you see on the board. You get some "stuff" from the guy at the gym whose selling it out of his trunk. After buying it for an extremely over-inflated price and suggesting that the stuff in the bottles is actually what it says on the label you proceed to take the deepest plunge you will ever make in your life next to getting married.
Now what exactly did you get? Some fina and liquidex?
Some eq and dbol? Now say you have some serious test running through you body and you feel like a mad man at the gym, you are going to workout while taking mass quantities of steroids right? But heres the kicker, you've never really trained very hard, you have shit for form and you don't know how to manipulate your body. Ah, now you can eat crispy cream donuts, double fudge chocolate chip icecream and french fries and get that six pack and 200 pounds of lean body weight in just under 8 weeks. Bodybuilding is a way of life. It takes "EXTREME" dedication. You have to change the way you live. Diet is as important to making solid gains as steroids are. Training, as well as diet, are the foundation "base" for deciding if steroids will be helpful for you. Make what god gave you a machine of perfection and then ask for help from the anabolic gods.
Are you 135 pounds of pure muscle (5% bf) or are you 135 pounds of pure lard?
How do you train? What exercises, how many reps, how much weight do you use?
What and how often do you eat? Give an honest description of what you consume regularly in a day?
Have you experimented with "natural" supplements?
Ex: Pure whey, creatine, etc.
Steroids should be an option for you only after you have exhausted your natural ability to make gains.
Look at it as sort of a rite of passage.
Conside this example: You copy the first cycle you see on the board. You get some "stuff" from the guy at the gym whose selling it out of his trunk. After buying it for an extremely over-inflated price and suggesting that the stuff in the bottles is actually what it says on the label you proceed to take the deepest plunge you will ever make in your life next to getting married.
Now what exactly did you get? Some fina and liquidex?
Some eq and dbol? Now say you have some serious test running through you body and you feel like a mad man at the gym, you are going to workout while taking mass quantities of steroids right? But heres the kicker, you've never really trained very hard, you have shit for form and you don't know how to manipulate your body. Ah, now you can eat crispy cream donuts, double fudge chocolate chip icecream and french fries and get that six pack and 200 pounds of lean body weight in just under 8 weeks. Bodybuilding is a way of life. It takes "EXTREME" dedication. You have to change the way you live. Diet is as important to making solid gains as steroids are. Training, as well as diet, are the foundation "base" for deciding if steroids will be helpful for you. Make what god gave you a machine of perfection and then ask for help from the anabolic gods.
I'm 24 , 146 pds, 16% bf, 5'7" tall and female.
I started my first cycle 8 1/2 wks ago. Anavar, T3, Clenbuterol. I'm a personal trainer. I've trained for and played almost every sport imaginable. Cheerleading being my favorite. I've gained probably 15 pounds of lean body mass and gained 9 pds all together. Not exactly what I dreamed about, but everything just moved to the right places. I'm in better shape than I have ever been. These fitness models, though some are my age, many of them are around 30. I think for men as well as women it takes years of hard work to see real results and to reach a certain level of fitness. I mean at my gym some of the most solid guys are 28, 30 40!!!! Crash diets, tried them, extreme workouts, over training. I took these drugs because I was positive that I would follow a clean diet and a serious fitness routine. I made these gains through hard work as have most of the people on this board. Steroids are a waste of money and a real pain in the ass if you don't know what you are doing and why you are doing it.
I started my first cycle 8 1/2 wks ago. Anavar, T3, Clenbuterol. I'm a personal trainer. I've trained for and played almost every sport imaginable. Cheerleading being my favorite. I've gained probably 15 pounds of lean body mass and gained 9 pds all together. Not exactly what I dreamed about, but everything just moved to the right places. I'm in better shape than I have ever been. These fitness models, though some are my age, many of them are around 30. I think for men as well as women it takes years of hard work to see real results and to reach a certain level of fitness. I mean at my gym some of the most solid guys are 28, 30 40!!!! Crash diets, tried them, extreme workouts, over training. I took these drugs because I was positive that I would follow a clean diet and a serious fitness routine. I made these gains through hard work as have most of the people on this board. Steroids are a waste of money and a real pain in the ass if you don't know what you are doing and why you are doing it.
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harddtime
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TxLonghorn said:
my thoughts exactly. I've been lifting for 5 years, eating everything right got to 165lbs at round 7-8%bf at 5'9. My friend who was always smaller and weaker then me, lifted with me here and there, nothing serious. Started a deca only cycle and lifting serious and in 3 weeks PISSED on what i did in 5 lifting naturally. That was a blow to my ego. So I agree with TxLonghorn, if you have the lifting down, diet, sleep, and all the other stuff down and you've done your research and weighed out the pros and cons, and you still believe it's for you, then WHY not?
You are over training. If you don't leave time for recovery you will not only hurt yourself, but you will also make little or no gains. Still no diet description. What are you eating? How much and how often? Steroids will break the plateau, but only if you eat correctly will you see the best results.
The Man Child
New member
Nothing worse than a skinny bitch who hasn't put in the "blood & guts" and wants to juice at 135lb. I worked my ass off for 4 years before I touched the gear. I was benching 350lb. all natural before touching the sauce. It's bullshit to see people that are small all of the sudden blow up.
138 when I graduated
I was 138 at 5'10" when I graduated. Although I worked out and was involved in sports I never gained wait, just shredded bone with a little muscle. I never slept or ate enough in HS, always on the move, never wanting to miss anything.
Hell when I was 22 I moved to Austin and started training-I bulked up to 218 NATURALLY in 9 months (I'll get some of those before and afters scanned when I dig them up). It was amazing, I went from 155 at 6% to 218 at 10% in 9 months, so it's possible for someone to gain a large amount in a short time. I was fanatical about it, took my igloo full everywhere, you could set a watch to my every 2 hour eating schedule, I slept 10 hours a night and trained 5 on 2 off 1 body part a week, 1 hour per session. I stagnated for several months, so I juiced up to 248 on a very small amount of ref and tornel t200. Fell off the wagon within a year due to a 6 year relationship end-I was down to 180 in WEEKS. Partying, no sleep, no food.
OK, that was rugger's story...point is...YOU CAN GAIN WEIGHT NATURALLY, just fucking eat and sleep, get that down, then get training sorted out-training is ZERO without the other 2.
To build a house you have to have a solid foundation first.
Good Luck to ALL
Rugger
I was 138 at 5'10" when I graduated. Although I worked out and was involved in sports I never gained wait, just shredded bone with a little muscle. I never slept or ate enough in HS, always on the move, never wanting to miss anything.
Hell when I was 22 I moved to Austin and started training-I bulked up to 218 NATURALLY in 9 months (I'll get some of those before and afters scanned when I dig them up). It was amazing, I went from 155 at 6% to 218 at 10% in 9 months, so it's possible for someone to gain a large amount in a short time. I was fanatical about it, took my igloo full everywhere, you could set a watch to my every 2 hour eating schedule, I slept 10 hours a night and trained 5 on 2 off 1 body part a week, 1 hour per session. I stagnated for several months, so I juiced up to 248 on a very small amount of ref and tornel t200. Fell off the wagon within a year due to a 6 year relationship end-I was down to 180 in WEEKS. Partying, no sleep, no food.
OK, that was rugger's story...point is...YOU CAN GAIN WEIGHT NATURALLY, just fucking eat and sleep, get that down, then get training sorted out-training is ZERO without the other 2.
To build a house you have to have a solid foundation first.
Good Luck to ALL
Rugger
pgerardone
New member
Unless the person is under 18 I see no reason to wait. I think you are wrong. I feel lifting natural is a waste and most are just wasting time in the gym when they are natural. I have never seen a natural guy, a real natural guy not these team universe liars, that impresses me at all. They all look like skinny swimmers. I would have to guess that Flex Wheeler was probably one of these so called 135 pounders who are full of shit. He probably still would be if he didn't get on the shit. So all you 135 pound guys go for it. Everyone has to start somewhere.
pgerardone
New member
Good lucklilman22 said:
Some of these responses have made me laugh.
1. Your big enough!! You don't need steroids?????
You think steroids just make you big?
They make you faster, improve response times,
endurance, recuperation etc....
Have you EVER PLAYED A PROFESSIONAL SPORT??
You can't just stay the same day in day out, YOU HAVE TO
GET BETTER AND BETTER PROGRESSIVELY.
Its just the nature of sports.
TO BE THE BEST YOU CAN BE.
Nowadays, its all about winning. Period.
You do what you have to do.
I can almost guarantee you that 99% of al olympic
athletes take "enhancing" drugs of some kind.
THEY WOULD NOT BE THERE IF THEY DIDN'T.
If you think blood and guts got them there you're deluded.
Maybe 3 or 4 genetic freaks, but thats about it.
I took steroids to make myself a better athlete not to just
"put on weight".
Who cares if you're 230,260,290,180 etc,,, if you
haven't improved your athleticism in some way.
Godspeed
1. Your big enough!! You don't need steroids?????
You think steroids just make you big?
They make you faster, improve response times,
endurance, recuperation etc....
Have you EVER PLAYED A PROFESSIONAL SPORT??
You can't just stay the same day in day out, YOU HAVE TO
GET BETTER AND BETTER PROGRESSIVELY.
Its just the nature of sports.
TO BE THE BEST YOU CAN BE.
Nowadays, its all about winning. Period.
You do what you have to do.
I can almost guarantee you that 99% of al olympic
athletes take "enhancing" drugs of some kind.
THEY WOULD NOT BE THERE IF THEY DIDN'T.
If you think blood and guts got them there you're deluded.
Maybe 3 or 4 genetic freaks, but thats about it.
I took steroids to make myself a better athlete not to just
"put on weight".
Who cares if you're 230,260,290,180 etc,,, if you
haven't improved your athleticism in some way.
Godspeed
The Man Child
New member
Lilman22- I started using A.S. at 18 years old. I was 245lb. all natural when I started. The only reason I decided to take them is because my coaches were barking down my neck that I was too small for my position (in football). I had all the athletic ability in the world, but I needed the extra size and strength. Sure I could have just eaten like a fat pig and got put the weight on, but I decided I needed good quality muscle gains. Now I'm 300lb. and at the same bodyfat as when I started.
And to answer your second question, I honestly did work my ass off for 4 years before using steroids. In high school (while I was clean) I can remember going to the gym the night before a Friday night game and lifting for an hour, while all of my teammates were out chillin' with friends. And now look where I am, playing Major D1A football.
Its no fluke that I was big and strong as a bull prior to touching gear. I lived in the weight room and still do.
And the little guys you were referring to that need to juice to catch up with us big guys with the genetics, maybe you guys need to get your priorities straight. I've never met someone that was small, that ate right, lifted religiously, and had total focus to the sport, other than my boys that are competitive powerlifters that have to stay in a certain weight class. Most people think they have their lives in order, but they really don't.
There's no excuse for being small!
And to answer your second question, I honestly did work my ass off for 4 years before using steroids. In high school (while I was clean) I can remember going to the gym the night before a Friday night game and lifting for an hour, while all of my teammates were out chillin' with friends. And now look where I am, playing Major D1A football.
Its no fluke that I was big and strong as a bull prior to touching gear. I lived in the weight room and still do.
And the little guys you were referring to that need to juice to catch up with us big guys with the genetics, maybe you guys need to get your priorities straight. I've never met someone that was small, that ate right, lifted religiously, and had total focus to the sport, other than my boys that are competitive powerlifters that have to stay in a certain weight class. Most people think they have their lives in order, but they really don't.
There's no excuse for being small!
lilman22, NOBODY says you can't do gear. They almost all say do it. Just learn first and then do it. I think you are right to train hard first and learn and then get on it. Fonz and The Man Child are 100% correct. But, they knew what they wanted and how to do it before. Go back and read FOZY and ruggers reply. They have it down too!
Dude, read what I said. Go get'em NOW!!! I would not put up with 135 any longer than I had to. Just remember, you have to eat and train like an animal. First, at your level you have no need of biceps curls. Fuck arms, fuck most machines, fuck isolation work. Stick with the heavy basics. anything else is just needlessly burning calories. Dump cardio for now. Stick to the weights. When you are not training or working, you need to be eating and resting. You should be throwing back 6 or 7 high protein meals a day. You should be eating at least 5000 calories a day and taking in around 300g of protein daily. Plus you need to get your sleep every night and a nap when you can during the day. No dancing on weekend nights, no basket ball playing with the boys, all of that burns calories that you need to conserve. You have to be committed to this 24/7. Now, as far as your training goes, get on a 3 day split with at least a day between workouts. Lets say day 1 is legs, 2 is chest, and day 3 is legs. You will use heavy weights and low reps with primarily compound free weight movements. Here is a sample work out:
Legs
Squats
leg presses
Stiff leg deadlifts
Chest
Flat barbell bench press
Incline barbell bench press
Dips
Back
Deadlifts
Bent barbell rows
Chins
Do about 5 sets, starting with a warm up set of 15 reps, and then 4 work sets of 12, 10, 8, and 6, pyramiding up the weight and lowering the reps with each set. Take your work sets to failure. When you can exceed your target reps on your work sets, you need to add weight until failure is once again achieved within the target area. When you get strong enough, do your chins and reps weighted. That's it. That's all you need. Don't worry about other body parts right now, the ones you are working are the biggest, strongest, and the ones that will permit you to use the most weight. The more weight you move, the bigger and stronger you will become. When you pack some serious mass on these areas, the scale will show it. The the rest of your muscles will get plenty of work supporting the big ones through the heavy compound lifts. That's why they are called "compound". The parts you are not training directly will get plenty of work indirectly for now. Do this for 12 to 16 weeks and, provided you are eating and resting like I told you, you will begin to see a good foundation that you can build upon. This is the same mass program I use and it never fails.
Legs
Squats
leg presses
Stiff leg deadlifts
Chest
Flat barbell bench press
Incline barbell bench press
Dips
Back
Deadlifts
Bent barbell rows
Chins
Do about 5 sets, starting with a warm up set of 15 reps, and then 4 work sets of 12, 10, 8, and 6, pyramiding up the weight and lowering the reps with each set. Take your work sets to failure. When you can exceed your target reps on your work sets, you need to add weight until failure is once again achieved within the target area. When you get strong enough, do your chins and reps weighted. That's it. That's all you need. Don't worry about other body parts right now, the ones you are working are the biggest, strongest, and the ones that will permit you to use the most weight. The more weight you move, the bigger and stronger you will become. When you pack some serious mass on these areas, the scale will show it. The the rest of your muscles will get plenty of work supporting the big ones through the heavy compound lifts. That's why they are called "compound". The parts you are not training directly will get plenty of work indirectly for now. Do this for 12 to 16 weeks and, provided you are eating and resting like I told you, you will begin to see a good foundation that you can build upon. This is the same mass program I use and it never fails.
