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tboy72

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a few years ago before i ever took aas i was looking into it however. i reasearched a conciderable amount back then. all the reports i read on it was how its the best stuff out there.....
nowadays i hear so much bad shit about it i would never touch it!
i just wanted to know what i missed in thoes few years...new research or all ya'lls personal opinions??????
 
i just keep hearing about loss of sex drive, not good on ite owe, limp dick gyno.....back then i never heard od these sides
 
Fuck all that noise! I LOVE DECA! I never had deca dick and even if you get it GOD bless viagra and hcg and clomid etc. I have recieved some of my best gain while on deca and my joint feel so much better. Shame on any one that hates deca.
 
tboy,

Deca has been the best AS I have used hands down other than Tren. Its a very powerful steroid thus giving you quick weight and strength gain. Some people have bad sides, but I didnt experience any at all except being the biggest person in the gym. Run some nolva or liquidex to keep the bloat off. I have run 1 gram of Sus. per week and 400 deca a week (seperately) deca gave me 3 times the gains the test did. Remember most people tend to rerspond differently so you are going to have to give it a roll to find out for yourself. Good luck !
 
im gonna look into this again now.....how would this cycle soun
deca 1-8 300 mgs
prop 1-10 weeks 75 mgs every other day
var 3-12 50 mgs a day
 
not worth the trouble IMO. The only people I can see using this stuff are people staying away from androgens. Otherwise it is just a shitty version of tren in terms of gains from my experience.
 
Some people get deca dick either while on or after a cycle with PCT.

I have ran deca by itself twice For me it increased my sex drive , erections, and even would reach orgasm faster. Some people have a decrease in some or all of these.

I think that you have to be aware that you could experience these side effects. But there are plenty of people that don't get these symptoms.

Deca is also more suppressive then some other AAS. I find this to be true. And some people have a harder time recovering.

I will only run Deca for a part of my cycle then I switch to EQ for the end.

Had no issues recovering on my first cycle. Have a few more weeks for this cycle.
 
Elitefitness seems to be the only anti-deca board out there.

I would like to see you gain more muscle off of test than Deca. Just aint gonna happen. I am gonna get flammed by saying this ... but FUCK test! For me I get more sides than gains. Deca gives you the thick dense look. The look of serious slabs of meat packed on you. Some people really get hit hard with Deca dick, but most of them dont know how to run Deca, or I guess I should say nandrolone safely or correctly.

First run it as NPP. You dont have to run it for as long this way. People run deca for 12-14 wks and wonder why they have deca dick? Same thing would happen with tren. With NPP, run it for 6 wks, it starts acting fast so gains come quicker, and you dont have to wait and run it long to really reap the benefits. You can also discontinue it if sides get bad. Second ... run it with HCG once a week. This is what i believe is one of the biggest reasons people complain of being shut down, because nandrolone has a direct effect on LH.

3rd. Your choice of drugs you run it with can help. Run it with something like tren and you are looking for trouble. Run it with winny, and you will be loving life.

4th Supps. Take the appropriate supps while running it to help with prog and prolactin. Dostinex is great, then you have SAM-e and TMG.

If you have your shit together you will reap the full benefits of nandrolone. If you dont know what the fuck you are doing and run it like many do at 600mg/wk for 14 wks for example, you are asking for trouble.
 
but what do ya,ll think of that cycle...deca 1-8 300 mgs
prop 1-10 weeks 75 mgs every other day
var 3-12 50 mgs a day
Online!
 
I think that NPP for 6 wks with Winny sounds safer as I mentioned above. Go ahead with the prop past the 6 wks though if you want.
 
deca above 300mg's isn't smart for first run i'd say. all in all I just say it isn't worth all the hassle for the reasons stated before. If you can't handle tren......the npp is a great alternative though.
 
winny safer then var????
ive kept 20 lbs on a var only cycle!!!!!!and most of the strength.....i know the deca will sooth the joint pains, but i hardly get any from var.
 
I never understood the deca trashing either. I have never gotten deca dick as I run it with test, it makes my joints feel better, its very anabolic and I make great gains from it, and I dont get the same sides as I do from drugs like tren(temper and unavoidable hairloss)
 
needsize said:
I never understood the deca trashing either. I have never gotten deca dick as I run it with test, it makes my joints feel better, its very anabolic and I make great gains from it, and I dont get the same sides as I do from drugs like tren(temper and unavoidable hairloss)
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well I sing a different tune than you my friend....I had TERRIBLE sides from deca...acne,bloat, and the dreaded "deca dick"...I never went about 400 mgs per week, and never used less than 500 mgs per week of test along side of it...PCT was incredibly hard and my dick was useless the last time...This is my experience and this is the reason I will never touch it again...
 
Again, everybody reacts different to different drugs. I ran deca twice without any problems. I did NPP cycle and liked it a lot. Then I read all the bad things about deca so my next cycle I switched to eq 400mg/wk and I got the worst acne ever. The shit did not go away for 6 months after the cycle. SO you can read all you want but until you try it you will never know what sides you will get from it. Therefore I totaly agree with Mavy to run NPP because it is a short acting deca and if you get sides you don't like it will be much easier to stop the cycle and get on pct. If you go with deca durabolin, start with 200mg per week and run it with some test.
BTW I LOVE DECA.
 
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muscleup said:
well I sing a different tune than you my friend....I had TERRIBLE sides from deca...acne,bloat, and the dreaded "deca dick"...I never went about 400 mgs per week, and never used less than 500 mgs per week of test along side of it...PCT was incredibly hard and my dick was useless the last time...This is my experience and this is the reason I will never touch it again...
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LOL, its your fault for all the deca bashing :D (well, and mine too ;))
 
Just wanted to chime in that I love deca, too, both for bulking and cutting. I find it effective, easy on the body, and comfortable to run. Among the finest AAS imo.
 
Var will not give you the rapid gains that deca will. Sides seem to almost have a linear relationship(for most). High anabolic/androgenic potential the greater the sides.
 
muscleup said:
well I sing a different tune than you my friend....I had TERRIBLE sides from deca...acne,bloat, and the dreaded "deca dick"...I never went about 400 mgs per week, and never used less than 500 mgs per week of test along side of it...PCT was incredibly hard and my dick was useless the last time...This is my experience and this is the reason I will never touch it again...
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damn, that sucks. I guess I'm really glad I dont respond that way as there are times when I really need the joint relief from deca
 
i had great results with deca @ 300mg/week.....

i don't think I personally would go higher than that.....given the ester
it does kill your sex drive, so I wouldn't do it again without Test
it did make my nuts shrink up pretty good, which test/fina doesn't seem to be doing quite as drastically.

it gave me great muscle density and hardness combined with winny.

I would and probably will use it again.
 
I would agree with many above. Deca affects each person differently. Ultimately, it is all about risk versus reward. I had nice gains, but, I also suffered from the dreaded "deca dick"

I had a hell of a time trying to explain to my girlfriend that she wasn't the reason I wasn't getting hard (without explaining the obvious cause). However, it did force me to be pretty creative..
 
see this is why i posted this thread! i DONT want deca dick....how long before it before your dick will get hard pc? and does it go back to its good ol' self?
 
Deca from what I have heard shuts your system down (supresses) you more that most of the AS's out there.

However, for every con there is a pro ... It blows you up like a freak!
One of my workout partners is on week 5 and he is huge and rock solid!
He is using U.S. 200mg/ml (400/wk) and he is going to finish it with some test and QV deca 300mg/ml (600/wk).
 
like ive heard here....everyone reacts different to aas . i gained 20 + lbs of lbm while going from 18 to 10% bf and kept 99% of strength and size using only creatine and trib. for my pct!
since deca shuts you down so bad your bound to loose a good amount of size even with a great pct.......am i right on that assumption?
 
needsize said:
damn, that sucks. I guess I'm really glad I dont respond that way as there are times when I really need the joint relief from deca
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Damn I hear ya bro...knees are killing me
 
tboy72 said:
like ive heard here....everyone reacts different to aas . i gained 20 + lbs of lbm while going from 18 to 10% bf and kept 99% of strength and size using only creatine and trib. for my pct!
since deca shuts you down so bad your bound to loose a good amount of size even with a great pct.......am i right on that assumption?
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well sort of, but I ran it my first cycle and I never lost a pound with no PCT...
 
Mavy said:
Elitefitness seems to be the only anti-deca board out there.

I would like to see you gain more muscle off of test than Deca. Just aint gonna happen. I am gonna get flammed by saying this ... but FUCK test! For me I get more sides than gains. Deca gives you the thick dense look. The look of serious slabs of meat packed on you. Some people really get hit hard with Deca dick, but most of them dont know how to run Deca, or I guess I should say nandrolone safely or correctly.

First run it as NPP. You dont have to run it for as long this way. People run deca for 12-14 wks and wonder why they have deca dick? Same thing would happen with tren. With NPP, run it for 6 wks, it starts acting fast so gains come quicker, and you dont have to wait and run it long to really reap the benefits. You can also discontinue it if sides get bad. Second ... run it with HCG once a week. This is what i believe is one of the biggest reasons people complain of being shut down, because nandrolone has a direct effect on LH.

3rd. Your choice of drugs you run it with can help. Run it with something like tren and you are looking for trouble. Run it with winny, and you will be loving life.

4th Supps. Take the appropriate supps while running it to help with prog and prolactin. Dostinex is great, then you have SAM-e and TMG.

If you have your shit together you will reap the full benefits of nandrolone. If you dont know what the fuck you are doing and run it like many do at 600mg/wk for 14 wks for example, you are asking for trouble.
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Hi dude,
i am 20 years old , been training hard for two years and last tuesday i started my deca only cycle. I did 200mg of deca durabolin.
as i further investigated i found out tha it suppresses hpta and shuts you down.
I am thinking.. will i be able to have sex with my girl during the cycle?
it will last 6 weeks.
i know test would go along with deca but i dont want to use it.
Will proviron do the job? Shall i take pregnyl during the cycle to continue my lh and fsh production normaly? or shall i use it ony pct?
please help..
john from greece
 
Mavy said:
Elitefitness seems to be the only anti-deca board out there.

I would like to see you gain more muscle off of test than Deca. Just aint gonna happen. I am gonna get flammed by saying this ... but FUCK test! For me I get more sides than gains. Deca gives you the thick dense look. The look of serious slabs of meat packed on you. Some people really get hit hard with Deca dick, but most of them dont know how to run Deca, or I guess I should say nandrolone safely or correctly.

First run it as NPP. You dont have to run it for as long this way. People run deca for 12-14 wks and wonder why they have deca dick? Same thing would happen with tren. With NPP, run it for 6 wks, it starts acting fast so gains come quicker, and you dont have to wait and run it long to really reap the benefits. You can also discontinue it if sides get bad. Second ... run it with HCG once a week. This is what i believe is one of the biggest reasons people complain of being shut down, because nandrolone has a direct effect on LH.

3rd. Your choice of drugs you run it with can help. Run it with something like tren and you are looking for trouble. Run it with winny, and you will be loving life.

4th Supps. Take the appropriate supps while running it to help with prog and prolactin. Dostinex is great, then you have SAM-e and TMG.

If you have your shit together you will reap the full benefits of nandrolone. If you dont know what the fuck you are doing and run it like many do at 600mg/wk for 14 wks for example, you are asking for trouble.
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Deca sucks in my opinion. It worked for you, Great. It did give me deca dick, extreme facial bloat and estrogenic fat deposits that took forever to get rid of. As far as muscle gains there isno way in hell deca will give you more muscle then test. Deca is only about 50% as anabolic as test mg per mg, but if it worked for you great. Just make sure when you write your threads you say it gave a thick muscled look to YOU, and not generalise that everyone will run it and get the same results. Also when you discuss NPP it's apples to oranges. NPP is not deca. The thread is about deca. It's like comparing prop to sustanon. Nondrolone was developed for people like you, people that don't respond well to test. For the rest of us the story is quite the opposite from yours.
 
jkarpas said:
Hi dude,
i am 20 years old , been training hard for two years and last tuesday i started my deca only cycle. I did 200mg of deca durabolin.
as i further investigated i found out tha it suppresses hpta and shuts you down.
I am thinking.. will i be able to have sex with my girl during the cycle?
it will last 6 weeks.
i know test would go along with deca but i dont want to use it.
Will proviron do the job? Shall i take pregnyl during the cycle to continue my lh and fsh production normaly? or shall i use it ony pct?
please help..
john from greece
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<greek> ela re patriwth !!!! </greek>

I think the overwhelming majority of people who have used deca have found it to be a very friendly, safe and yet very effective drug. Keep in mind that it has been around since the days of Arnold and Zane, and in fact it was one of their favourites.
Deca has gotten a bad reputation on discussion boards because the small minority of people that for some reason cannot tolerate it and had a bad experience with it go to the boards and start "deca is crap" threads where they alarm everybody of the risk of deca dick, excessive water retention etc.
So a lot of people who have never used deca but read these threads are frightened or even convinced that the same things are going to happen to them and, even worse, some of them repeat the same rumours in their own posts.

@jkarpas: I recommend you don't do a deca only cycle, it's not worth it. stack it with 25mg dianabol/day for 8 weeks and you will be very happy with the results. you don't need hcg or proviron with such low dosages, just take clomid for pct and you'll be fine. and make sure you consume lots, lots, lots of protein !!!!
 
New member but not a newbie. Finished up a QV Test and D-bol cycle in Jan which was my first cylcle. Test for 10 weeks and d-bol for 4. I saw immediate gains with d-bol and loved it. It blew me up, which for most isn't desirable, but for my small mass, it is. However, I seemed to plateau with the test. It was suggested that I add deca to my next cycle but I thought I'd bring that up on this post since this is the deca-hate central forum. No better place to ask! I hear you can gain X amount with Test, X amount with deca, but 4X (as opposed to 2X) the amount when combined correctly. Thoughts?

We all hear great things about test. I'm 6', and started 155 or so, peaked low 170's and months later am 165. Cut with little mass is a solid description. With anti-estrogens I still felt significant power losses. Bacne (back and delt acne) was and still is a huge problem. Any medicinal suggestions? How can I prevent this better next time? Creatine work? What else? More importantly, let me hear what some of you have to suggest about my 2nd cycle which may be my last ever as I'll be starting my thesis soon. Anyway, I don't know all the terms so try to spell out as much as possible. If you think deca is "crap," give me a real reason and something that might suit me better. I'm looking to top off between 175 and 180 after this cycle and I'd like to add something to my test and d-bol. Thanks in advance guys.

PS- since I ended in January, when is the optimum and safest time to start up round 2?
 
deca is the shit, i love it. ran 600mg alone for 12 weeks gained 22 pounds of shredded muscle. it lubes your joints up so you can lift a ton, if you eat right you grow like a weed, some of us don't get deca dick
 
to hell with deca. if i cant fuck there aint much of a point to anything else. just my opinion, but then again i am a raging sex addict...hey, alcoholics have to do somthing when they quit drinking
 
I ran 400mg deca/week with 500mg test/week and had deca dick big time! Deca is actually quite suppressive. It's also a great AAS for size, it lubricates the joints, and it's relatively safe. Unfortunately, it causes a problem for me. I didn't use HCG for that cycle and that may play a huge part in why my system stayed suppressed for so long even with PCT. I may try it again....sometime.
 
tboy72 said:
a few years ago before i ever took aas i was looking into it however. i reasearched a conciderable amount back then. all the reports i read on it was how its the best stuff out there.....
nowadays i hear so much bad shit about it i would never touch it!
i just wanted to know what i missed in thoes few years...new research or all ya'lls personal opinions??????
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Sustanon/Deca/Winny cycle will work wonders, bro.......

As long as you use Test with it, Decadick won't be a problem.

Deca is a nice versatile compound......




DIV
 
I wanted to add a few more things. First, if you start to realize "deca dick" early on, can you make a switch or stop using? What are your options if you value the use of your penis? Of all the serious long term effects of steroid use, which of serious liver and kidney problems, prostate cancer and heart failure do you think is most common? I've done some research in college on the effects of steroids on male adolescents, mainly dealing with bone atrophy, and psycho-social effects. However I don't know as much about the longitudinal studies. I would assume that prostate cancer is probably a serious risk especially regarding improper and/or long term use. Anyone with more knowledge agree/disagree?

Interesting fact of the day- Through an empirical study of over 4,000 middle and high school aged students in Minneapolis area public schools, it was found that 4.4% of high school students used AAS while 7.6% of middle school students did.
 
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ive read somewhere that masterbating ALOT during and after puberty really decreases your chances of prostate cancer. i dont know how true that is but im not taking any chance.
 
Division, I'm not so sure I want the Winny b/c the last thing I need to do is cut!

Asianlover, that's completely true actually. There have been studies on it and it's now being published in anatomy and physiology books. (in more appropriate wording!)
 
I had no problems at all with deca and a grat first cycle with it at 400mg/week. I had no deca dick and my sex drive actually went up/ I was haveing sex three or four times a day on it. My strength gains were awsome. PCT will start Sunday, but everything is fine with my cycle.
 
I never had a problem with Deca during a cycle.....it was only after a cycle. Like I said above, I didn't HCG in my PCT or during cycle. I think if you keep the boys active, everything will be OK. Has anyone actually gotten deca dick during a cycle of deca, or, was it always post cycle where it became apparent?
 
tboy72 said:
a few years ago before i ever took aas i was looking into it however. i reasearched a conciderable amount back then. all the reports i read on it was how its the best stuff out there.....
nowadays i hear so much bad shit about it i would never touch it!
i just wanted to know what i missed in thoes few years...new research or all ya'lls personal opinions??????
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can someone please answer this question.please.ok i have got a bottle of deca the label scratches farely easy but doesnt peel off easy.its made by biogen labs princeton nj.i used the syringe and tasted a sample of it and it does numb my tounge a slight bit.the expiration date doesnt seem to be printed that the same time the rest of the label was its in red and the lot number is 05-07-05-sp came with a white flip top.you guys are more experienced than i am.does this sound legit?thanks!
 
I'm running my first cycle now. deca 400mg/week, winny 50mg ED, proviron 25mg ED. i'm having no sides at all so far, no deca dick, no acne, and good gains so far. i think the proviron in helping me keep it up, in fact my girl can't keep up with me! so I support deca, i have no reason not to.
 
tboy72 said:
a few years ago before i ever took aas i was looking into it however. i reasearched a conciderable amount back then. all the reports i read on it was how its the best stuff out there.....
nowadays i hear so much bad shit about it i would never touch it!
i just wanted to know what i missed in thoes few years...new research or all ya'lls personal opinions??????
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I heard that some people get high blood pressure from it..Anyone else hear that.
 


I just started a cycle of Deca Durabolin (200mg) a week, and am probably going to move up to 400 mg/wk after the first 4 weeks. I also have a bottle of aratest 2500 which I had read somewhere could kick start my cycle if used in conjunction with the deca so this week being my first I did 1 cc of Deca and 1 cc of the aratest. Kinda nauseated now, but thats thats the only side Ive noticed so far. Any suggestions? Am I doing this right? I basically want some feedback on whether I should do more than 1cc of the test in the following weeks or ...... I also have a cycle of Stanazolol, its the pills, but atleast I dont have to deal with that injection site pain of Winny V. I was thinking about follwing the deca/test with the Stanz.. is this worth it? or should I combine now. Im a little weary about stacking so much when Im so new to all this?

Can anyone help???? Thanks :verygood:
 
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