Whats the problem with gay guys?

[JuiceKing]

Fair enough we come a long way since the old view of gays and are increasingly liberal in societies.
Am I gay?
= Dont matter.
- But i was walking down the road with my bud (who happens to be gay) and this fuckwit comes out of nowhere and starts shouting all the gay slurs in the world - WTF?
- turns out he knew my bud from school and it wasnt the ist time he had done this - I blacked out for a moment......well actually crashed the guy BIG TIME!....Done him pretty bad beyond recognition -........ and just for effect....I looked down at this prick afterwords and said - "YOU JUST GOT CRASHED FROM A FAG!"...which didnt go down well!!!

- I work as a bouncer in scotland and iam also a psychology grad. - and what Ive learned on the doors and in life is.......that the majority of societies "big names" and hard men who are feared - dont have a problem with gay guys - they are fine with them as they are comfortable with who THEY are - I beleive that its the pricks like the guys above who are really nobody (but wanna be somebody!) that do this kind of thing.

I know guys from when i was growing up in my area who were homophobic as fuck! - would go around trying to crash everyone for being gay - and they turned out to be gay themselves!!

So just want to ask whos with me on this? - I reckon the guys that go outta their way to create a problem for gays are, themselves unsure of their sexuality (subconsciously) or just trying to look the "real man"when in reality they aint!!

- dont get me wrong if u cant get on with gay guys then thats up to you - everybodys entitled to an opinion, but openly flaming and degrading them.........now something is up with that!!!

what do you guys n' gals think?

THE JUICEKING.

p.s. thought i'd write about this as the prick who "accidentally ran into my fist and legs several times" also caused my knuckle to break - settin back my training........MUTHAFUCKA!!

 

[brianmincher]

Juice King, I have also wondered this. We have several gay interns working where I work, and nobody here has ever had a problem with them. I think you would have to be pretty small to persecute someone just because they are gay.

Where you stick your dick is your business. There is nothing I care about more than my sex life, and there is nothing I care less about than anyone else's.

I am married with 3 kids, have never experimented, or even come close, but don't care at all if other do it.

B.

 

[da_wizard_12]

"I know guys from when i was growing up in my area who were homophobic as fuck! - would go around trying to crash everyone for being gay - and they turned out to be gay themselves!! "

That's the point. You said that the guys who turned to gays were "homophobic". A str8 guy can't be homophobic. Eitherway, it's obvious that he has many chances to become a gay.

Anyway, your thoughts were based on the way the gay guys are treated by the straight ones.
I must confess that I don't like them and I believe that it's not a normal situation. If you were born to be a man, you have to grow up as a man. That's what the nature had to offer you.

I only recognize the fact that you can't do anything in your life if you are forced to do it and that there are some special situations that force some men to reconsider if they are able to live like men and if they like women or if they would be more comfordable if they would try to attract other men.

One thing that I have understood is that everyone when he is discussing about gays, seems to be very open minded but we cam all admit that they have not equal chances in our society.

 

[frorider6]

JuiceKing, congrats on coming out of the closet. I'm sure you'll be much happier now. Here's to you and hoping you find that special man of your dreams.

 

[nolin]

I agree

I agree that the homophobes are probably in the closet. I've always had gay friends since high school and it never seemed a threat to my masculinity. As far as the unnatural thing goes....I belive that the Kinsey scale is very helpful in this. Some people are more androgenous than others making them bisexual, some just find the same sex attractive and of course the majority of us are straight. One of my best friends is gay, we've had some frank discussions about it, I've asked him " What makes you want a dick up your ass" and what in gods name do you find attractive about someone elses dick? I just don't understand it but he replied saying " Ya know, if I had my choice I wouldn't be gay. I had 5 different girlfriends and with each one I tried to have sex and couldn't get a boner, not even from a blow job. But the first time I tried it with a guy it was like, shwing!" My buddy even got jumped by a group of guys that nearly beat him to death. Who would choose that? In his case I believe that's just his chemical make up and I don't judge him, I'm just glad I'm straight because it makes life a lot easier for me

 

[JuiceKing]

Some good P.O.V.s there guys, In responce to some, another point I want to make is that there can not be a certainty of how many gays there really are - From a psychological standpoint I dont beleive that anybodys sexuality is "a clear cut given" in that you are either 1 way or the other - Im with Nolin on that one -there is different "shades" as it were of sexuality.

- certainly an actual amount of gays in the world can not be seen objectivly due to the fact western society places such a negative value on gay orientation and that is the primary reason that so many stay in the closet. - There is a society where ALL men engage in same sex activity for a number of years leading up to marriage(Cant remember where)

- Guys that I know who would rather be str8 are only unhappy about the way they are perceived and treated by society.
- Fair enough, It may not "appear to be natrual" on the surface but then again its not for me or anyone else for that matter to construct what should and should not be "natural."

- It just pisses me off that the guys that are in the limelight who are gay give the impression that all gays are "fags" and effeminate. - Some of the most feared guys I know in Scotland who run things up here are gay - The Krays were gay -
In all honesty I cant stand an effeminate or "nancy" guy but I just think that some individuals can take their discrimination too far -

Gays are not equal in society yet, but they will be soon - without doubt - Just as racial diversity and gender rights have equaled with what was previosly deemed as "The Norm."

On the Door, I see it too often - Discrimination against different race, gender or sexuality and I dont stand for any prick who wants to have a go at any minority in my club.

- Some good input there though - any others????

THE JUICEKING

 

[Glootz]

- - It just pisses me off that the guys that are in the limelight who are gay give the impression that all gays are "fags" and effeminate. - Some of the most feared guys I know in Scotland who run things up here are gay - The Krays were gay -
In all honesty I cant stand an effeminate or "nancy" guy but I just think that some individuals can take their discrimination too far -

Gays are not equal in society yet, but they will be soon - without doubt - Just as racial diversity and gender rights have equaled with what was previosly deemed as "The Norm."

.

- Some good input there though - any others????

THE JUICEKING

Well put...it is unbelievable that there is still this narrowminded viewpoint of people that have a different orientation. Some of my friends still experience the wrath of redneck mentalities, even when walking down the street in Palm Springs...one of the highest concentration of alternative lifestyle populations in the U.S.

 

[supertech69]

I used to be very homophobic & have changed within the last few years but, I still can't stand the idea of it, I think it's horribly disgusting & I would shit if one of my kids came out & told me that they were gay. However, it's a free country & everyone should have equal rights. If you want to be gay then fine, just don't be flagrant about it. I don't go around flaunting the fact that I am heterosexual & hit on women that are obviously gay trying to convert them. It's just like religion, to each their own but, don't try to force your beliefs or sexuality on me. I get very offended when i get hit on or checked out by a homosexual. I in no way shape or form act gay or look gay (& yes most but, not all have a "gay" look to them) I have been checked out & hit on even when I'm with my girl. That really pisses me off. If you don't want to be rediculed then don't open yourself up for it. I do have one question though, why the hell is it that a man can have a normal masculine voice but, as soon as he decides he's gonna be gay & starts taking it in the ass his voice all of a sudden becomes feminine? Is this a chemical thing or do they have to constantly pay attention to altering their pitch? The freedom of choice is what makes our country so great. Just my $.02

 

[Ercole]

Hey, Juiceking, kudos for posting so honestly. A retired priest I know told me that in 50 years of couselling parishioners he never found one who was really disturbed and horrified at homosexuality who wasn't troubled at some level with his own sexuality.

Straight guys who are comfortable and confident in their own orientation (like Arnold Schwarzenegger) have no problem hanging with gay guys and being friends with them. If you like apples, why should it bother you that your friend likes oranges?

Although I'm gay, effeminate guys have always bothered me, too. I felt like they were throw-backs to the time when gay guys thought they had to act like women to get laid by straight guys. Yuck! The main thing about being gay is you like GUYS, masculine guys, not ones who try to act like chicks.

As I got older I realized some guys are just born effeminate and really can't help it -- if I think back to elementary school, I could even identify the mama's boys at age ten who would later grow up to be effeminate. So I don't hold that against a guy who's naturally that way, although I still dislike guys who exagerate their swishiness or flaunt it.

Supertech, if a guy checks you out, it isn't because he thinks you "look gay". It's just because you're a good-looking dude ... the same way you're gonna check out a hot chick who walks by. Which is exactly what Arnold said in PUMPING IRON (the book). He said, I'll check out any hot chick, so of course gay guys will check me out. Take it as a compliment.

Someone who stares rudely or hassles you is a jerk, pure and simple. I hope you straight dudes who hate it when gay guys come onto you will remember how it feels next time you're tempted to hassle a girl. It isn't fun, is it! Good-looking girls get this everywhere they go and they get sick of it. That's why some of them like to hang out in gay bars, just so they can relax without having to constantly fight off horny guys.

Unwanted advances happen to us gay guys, too. At Gold's/Venice yesterday I was starting my workout and this nice-looking young guy sits down next to me, stares dreamily into my eyes, and starts asking my name, where I live, etc. etc. Annoying because, even if I wasn't in a relationship, I'm not at the gym to find a date. I just wanted him to leave me alone so I could train. So I brushed him off firmly, but not rudely, I hope.

Face it. If you're a decent-looking guy with a good physique, both women and men will hit on you from time to time. I try not to be rude unless they approach me in a rude way. I've gotten good at the quick, polite brush-off: "Your name's John? Nice to meet you." A quick handshake and I'm off to my next exercise. It isn't hard to show you aren't interested without being nasty.

I get hit on by women, too, even in the supermarket sometimes. Even though I'm gay, it's flattering. I like it. Like Arnold says, take it as a compliment.

Re. the big guys with girly voices, Supertech, we gay guys hate this too. It's what a friend of mine calls: "Looks like Tarzan, talks like Jane." The vast majority of gay guys are attracted to guys who talk and act like guys. I mean, if we weren't we'd probably be straight.

When I used to date women in my younger years, I went for big-breasted feminine girls. Now I go for big, buffed, masculine guys. I like a chick to be a chick, and a guy to be a guy. I think most gay guys would agree.

Women are great. I've often thought I like them, in general, more than I like guys. But I'm just a lot more attracted to guys on a physical level.

Guys who say, "how can anyone like a dick" ... you have to be a little more objective. I mean, I don't like beets -- I really hate the things -- but I know other people love them. That doesn't make them twisted or crazy. It just means we're all different. Not so long ago, many people couldn't believe a guy could be attracted to a girl of a different race. It's dumb to believe whatever you happen to like is "normal" and any one who likes something else is insane.

My straight brothers, look on the bright side! Every gay dude you see at the gym is one less bodybuilder competing for the hot chicks you're interested in. Like Jesse Ventura said: "I love that there's so many gay guys; it means more chicks for me!"

 

[FitMale]

Ercole,

That's one awesome piece of writing!

 

[Glootz]

Dead on, Ercole, dead on...well put

 

[Ercole]

Ercole,

That's one awesome piece of writing!

Thanks. I really should be doing something more productive with my time, though ... something that might actually earn income ...

 

[The Whole F/N Show]

I saw something of TLC about why many societies have view homesexuality as harshly as they have for so many years. One theory was the it comes from basic instinct. From the show.... It's every animal primarity instict to reprodcue. The drive to reproduce drive most of an aminals actions. Homosexual goes against that and that a reason it's view harshly. I dunno know if that's true but thought it was interesting. Personally I think people act more on animal instinct then they want to admit to.

 

[Ercole]

I think you're right. In ancient societies, with constant tribal warfare and disease epidemics, the biggest challenge for any group was just to survive. The way wars were fought then, outnumbering your enemies meant beating them, so most ancient traditions condemn any non-reproductive sexuality.

The "Old Testament" Hebrew scirptures, for example, prohibit masturbation as strongly as homosexuality -- in both cases, sperm is being wasted that could be used to make more Jewish soldiers ... something very important in a region where the Jews, then as now, were dangerously outnumbered by the hostile tribes that surrounded them.

But in 2002, with six billion-plus humans alive, underpopulation is not exactly a problem, so hopefully we can be a little more tolerant of non-reproductive stuff like birth control., masturbation, and homosexuality.

 

[rNg loves the cock]

there's nothing wrong with me .... i just have a preference

 

[The Whole F/N Show]

I think you're right. In ancient societies, with constant tribal warfare and disease epidemics, the biggest challenge for any group was just to survive. The way wars were fought then, outnumbering your enemies meant beating them, so most ancient traditions condemn any non-reproductive sexuality.

The "Old Testament" Hebrew scirptures, for example, prohibit masturbation as strongly as homosexuality -- in both cases, sperm is being wasted that could be used to make more Jewish soldiers ... something very important in a region where the Jews, then as now, were dangerously outnumbered by the hostile tribes that surrounded them.

But in 2002, with six billion-plus humans alive, underpopulation is not exactly a problem, so hopefully we can be a little more tolerant of non-reproductive stuff like birth control., masturbation, and homosexuality.

Regardless of the population the internal instict is still there to reproduce.

 

[Ercole]

Of course the reproductive urge is as strong as ever ... that's why the vast majority of men and women have been, are, and always will be straight.

But I really think it's normal and part of God's plan to have a small minority in every generation be gay. Look at the world with its millions of species ... surely this isn't the handiwork of a God who wanted everyone to be exactly the same.

Vive la difference!

 

[Hengst]

And I think the reason why it is natural that there is a percentage of the population to be homosexual comes from an early and primal time of human development.

When humans were living in family units and clans - hunting and gathering - a homosexual member of that clan would help to PRODUCE but would not REPRODUCE, thus insuring that the offspring of his brother/sister has a greater chance of survival.

 

[The_Eviscerator]

Personally I find homosexuality disgusting. I am not in the least bit mean or derisive to homosexuals, but I also do not want to be preached to about "Gay Pride!" Where you choose to stick your cock is private business and no concern of mine.

I do believe that those that hate homos and go around beating their asses tend to be insecure closet fags.

I actually find it amusing and flattering when a homo finds me attractive. Of course, it ends right there. Otherwise

 

[PrincessRayn]

something i have always wondered is why do so many people have a problem with gay guys and so few people care about gay girls. i am bi curious as hell... just waiting for an oppurtunity... but no one that i have told that to has ever had a problem with it. most guys are even like right on.. good luck.. invite me... obviously mostly said jokingly but also not. so what is the difference. i have gay friends. i have straight friends and i have bisexual friends. i have jewish friends i have catholic friends and many other assortment. i respect everyones opinion even if it doesnt match mine. also.. just because a guy is gay or a girl is a lesbian doesnt mean they like every single member of the same sex.. just like straight guys arent attracted to every straight girl.. its still a matter of prefrence.. as far as gay pride goes.. i think its more of a union of people with the same beliefs standing up for themselves saying hey im not going to take your shit~ as long as people dont try to convert my beliefs religion or what have you i am happy to hear their opinion. hell i am against abortion except in instances or rape insest or severe ailments.. but it pisses me off when some crazy women runs at me screaming not to murder babies... you know?

 

[jaynsd]

Thanks for the great message Princess, you hit it right on. Still amazes me that people get so worked up over something like people's sexual preference and "kick their ass if they come onto me" attitude. Don't these people think there are bigger issues (that are actual issues vs. ignorance or intolerance) in the world today? And how tired is it that every straight man thinks a gay man wants him? Please, look in a mirror from time to time, if a women isn't with you, why would a guy be any different. And who says that myself as a gay man doesn't want to reproduce? Just have to go about it with a different approach (surrogate), which fortunately enough, I don't have a girlfriend/wife to suck the cash flow out of my life, so I can be picker than the rest. How is that for selective breeding?

Some great responses in this thread, more acceptance than I expected, but pleased. Thanks for the support.