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what's the point of bulking for gaining muscle?

i know that so much bodybuilder's bulk in the off season, but i don't understand whats the point to gain all that fat and water just to have to take it all off pre-contest? Is it because they don't want to look after their diet and pig out and make sure they are over maintence calories to keep their muscle mass and make it kinda of easier to lift heavier weights which doesn't really serve a purpose for building muscle because intesity of every rep is all that matters.

Also, i have been bulking the past 4 months. I gained 20 pounds, i went from 136 to 156. Only 3-4 pounds that i gained is muscle and the rest is fat and water. I was getting 250-350g of protein everyday sometimes even more and about 500 calories per day over maintence. I used to believe in one year its possible to gain 20-25 pounds of lean muscle without roids. Now im convinced that it is not. I mean i was gaining 2 pounds a month and with all that protein i really thought half of the 2 pounds i was gaining would be muscle but thats completely false. The average proffessional bodybuilder gains 8 pounds of muscle per year that means .15 pounds of muscle per week. I read somewhere that your body is capable of manufacturing .25 pounds of muscle per week that means 13 pounds of muscle per year. That much of muscle in one year sounds possible only with very high testosterone levels or steroids.

Let's just say as a novice, like me, with virgin receptors you can gain 10 pounds of muscle in 12 months. That means .19 pounds of muscle per week which is extremely good. If 1 pound of human muscle equals 600 calories then 10 pounds would be 6,000 calories. That means your body needs only 6,000 extra calories to build 10 pounds of muscle in one year. (not counting the fact that fat calories can be replaced for muscle not sure though). Divide 6,000 calories by 365 days that means your body only needs 16 calories above maintance per day to put on 10 pounds of muscle. And more calories doesn't mean more muscle which i discussed earlier. It means more fat and water.

So if my maintence calories are 1,800 per day without strenous activity then with weight training and mixed martial arts it is 2,200 calories. That means 2,300 calories per day should be enough for putting on 10 pounds of muscle in one year without putting on much bodyfat.

Ok so i figured out how much calories my body needs. Now i have to figure out what kind of calories. Muscle is only 22% protein. So 22% of 16 surplus calories is about 4 calories which is 1 gram of surplus protein per day. To stay out of catoblism, 1 gram per one pound of bodyweight is reccomended. So that would be 150g of protein. To stay on the safe side lets just make it 200. That's 800 calories. Then about 900 calories from carbs and 600 calories from fats sounds good. So 200g of protein, 225g of carbs, and 66g of fat. That's a 39-34-26 ratio of carbs to protein to fats.

My Every day extremely easy Diet Plan

Monday thru Friday. (saturday and sunday move every meal 3 hours forward)

meal 1 - 34-54-10 - 7:00am
2 whole eggs, 4 egg whites
1 cup of oatmeal

meal 2 - 45-60-8 10:00am
5 ounces chicken
half a yam and brown rice
or
Chicken panini - 40-40-14
5 ounce thinly sliced chicken
2 big whole grain slices
red roasted peppers
2 slices swiss cheese
or
tuna sandwich 40-40-5

meal 3 - 30-60 minutes prior workout 2:30pm
2 tbsp flax oil, 5g l-glutamine, 24g ON Natural chocolate whey protein, 20g dextrose
*optional BCCA's, liver tablets, b-complex, calcium, magnesium, vitamin C

meal 4 - immediately after-workout 4:00pm
5g l-glutamine, 24g ON Natural chocolate whey protein, 20g dextrose
*optional BCCA's, liver tablets, b-complex, calcium, magnesium, vitamin C

meal 5 - 740-70-70-20 4:45pm
Filamignon/tilapia/sushi/turkey burger/beef or buffalo burger

martial arts - 6:00pm-8:30pm tuesday-friday

* Optional meal 6 - low fat cottage cheese with low sugar jelly - 20-20-5


With this diet plan i gain an extra 700 calories per week. This means Im gaining just 1/4 of a pound of fat and hopefully 1/4 of a pound of muscle. So with water and glycogen gains that means i will be gaining .5-1 pounds of weight per week. I find this type of diet plan much better then the one were i had 300-500 surplus calories per day which made me gain 2 pounds a week which even though was a very clean diet with up to 350g of protein it still doesn't matter because all it is, is fat. Does anybody understand my concern with bulking and it being pointless for bodybuilding, just gaining muscle? I see bulking can help powerlifters and linebackers but not bodybuilders. Why gain all this fat and then spend hours and hours of cardio burning it and losing muscle along the way?
 
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There is no benefit to pig out on junk to bulk if you are natural. Just eat clean and go 500-1K cals over maintenance if that.
 
but, 500 calories over maintance is bulking. That's 3,500 of calories per week. Which is 1 pound of fat. Why gain 1 pound of fat not to mention water gains from so much carbs for to get all these calories. So why gain 1-2 pounds of fat/water weight per week just to have to lose it all later on when cutting. Thats why im keeping at just 100 calories over maintence.
 
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I have untill June 21st to workout consistently then im off to Russia for vacation for 3 months where i won't really have much access to the gym . So i want to set some goals. I have 24 weeks left that means i can build 4-6 pounds of muscle total from .15-.25 pounds per week. So starting at my current weight of 156 pounds and with 4-6 more pounds of muscle, 6 pounds more of fat i will be 166-168 pounds at 14%bf assuming water retention is at its peak, gaining a total of 7-9 pounds of muscle since september 1st 2006. So long term goal in 3 and 1/2 years (im 17) at age 21 is to get to 166 6%bf. Then by 23 be at 180 6%bf. I think i want to stop gaining muscle at 180. 180 might even be my natural limit and potential at a 5ft 8 ectomorph frame.
 
Well, to gain muscle you have to consume more Calories than you expend. Gaining a little fat is inevitable but there is no need to go from 10% BF to 15%-18% and then cut down. Go up two or three percentages in fat and then cut back down and bulk up again. That's what I did, I stayed between 9%-12% BF year round, depending on if I was bulking or getting ready for Summer. These days I can't gain appreciable muscle unless I wanted to start juicing so I don't "bulk" anymore.
 
Well i have been bulking for the last month, all clean, no fat.

i also "bulked up" in the summer, while everyone told me bulking puts on fat. You need to start manipulting the times u eat and food combinations.

Eat clean bulking which is hard and u will not get fat
 
jpt said:
yeah...must have been a typo lol :evil:

LOL it must have been a typo yep lol

i disagreed with his post alot, but since he was so determined against it, i didnt feel like typing.

now if he sounded like he wanted another answer i would have gave him mine, but im on the sauce right now, so im answer might not seem 'creditable'
 
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