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Nighthawkk
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I am curious to know what most of you with defined physiques would attribute your definition to. Though there may be more than one thing, choose which you think has helped to the greatest degree.
What would you attribute most of your muscle definition to?
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Nighthawkk
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*Note: Please choose with the assumption that you are ALREADY on a cut-up/fat-loss diet. Diet is the most crucial part of your regime, so I did not list it as I would expect people to already implement a high-protein, nutrient rich diet.
Atomic Punk
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Diet. I do no cardio. A waste in my opinion as far as weight-loss is concerned.
Atomic Punk
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Nighthawkk said:
In that case, I do nothing.
geoffgarst
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Genetics.
NorCalBdyBldr
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Atomic Punk said:
"I do no cardio. A waste in my opinion as far as weight-loss is concerned."
I agree. I think cardio is counterproductive. I can get fairly lean with minimal dieting and no cardio. Most of the time I am trying to add size. Even when bulking, my bodyfat is in single digits. If I need to get ultra lean, then diet along with supps like clen, t3, gh, etc.
"I do no cardio. A waste in my opinion as far as weight-loss is concerned."
I agree. I think cardio is counterproductive. I can get fairly lean with minimal dieting and no cardio. Most of the time I am trying to add size. Even when bulking, my bodyfat is in single digits. If I need to get ultra lean, then diet along with supps like clen, t3, gh, etc.
Nighthawkk
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Umm...wait, how can you burn fat and increase definition strictly by diet? That totally negates the idea of cardio and HIIT being an integral part of fat loss. I know you can lose fat by strict diet, but wouldn't that take much longer than if you threw in cardio and something like ECA/Clen?
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slobberknocker
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Lifting weights.
Atomic Punk
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Nighthawkk said:
Cardio is a rather small and insignifigant part of fat loss bro. I'll give you an example: Let's say you do a rather semi-intense 20 minute session of cardio on the stair-climber and burn 300 cals. To get that many burned in that amount of time, you would have to be borderline high-impact, which in itself is counterproductive to muscle growth. Not to mention that that 300 cals is so SMALL an amount, considering it is about the equivelent of a large chicken breast(plain), and an 8oz. glass of O.J. Why not just eliminate that amount of calories from your DIET, and save yourself 1. The work, and 2. The chance of over-training by being borderline high-impact on the cardio. Let's say that you don't do any high-impact(or even close) cardio. You go low impact strictly in other words. Well then, the amount of calories burned is obviously even lower. That makes it even more insignifigant in my opinion. See what I'm getting at?
Now, if you want to talk overall health benefits to the heart & lungs, then you have a valid arguement for cardio being beneficial brother. As far as muscle growth/fat loss though, it is useless.
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Generic MALE
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I am not real ripped - maybe 8-9 % currently, but not bad for a guy in his 40's who works 80 hours per week.
I find eating whey protein drinks helps my craving for sugar - which I have daily. If I drink a glass of whey protein I don't need sweets. Then morning cardio for 20-40 a few days a week on an empty stomach. Then lift heavy and with progressive poundages.
I find eating whey protein drinks helps my craving for sugar - which I have daily. If I drink a glass of whey protein I don't need sweets. Then morning cardio for 20-40 a few days a week on an empty stomach. Then lift heavy and with progressive poundages.
If you are talking about muscle maturity and/or density which have a direct relationship to definition intensity is your answer.No offense intended but you can get defined dieting and/or cardio but large hard dense muscles come from intensity.It worked for Dorian and he was obviosly handed a short deck in the genetic department.All that aside FINA,PRIMO,CLEN.
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Juice Authority
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Nighthawkk said:
Were you aware that there is no such thing as a "cutting" cycle? You knew that right?
Nighthawkk
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Re: Re: What would you attribute most of your muscle definition to?
I would consider a "cutting" cycle to be the usage of AAS to preserve gains whilst decreasing bodyfat percentage, as a decrease in caloric intake can lead to a catabolic state if the body is used to such a high amount normally when bulking.
Juice Authority said:
I would consider a "cutting" cycle to be the usage of AAS to preserve gains whilst decreasing bodyfat percentage, as a decrease in caloric intake can lead to a catabolic state if the body is used to such a high amount normally when bulking.
drgoodbody
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DIET # 1 - not drugs or cardio
descanting
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genetics, ~ectomorph...
animal69112
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i believe you need first Diet and then cardio....i believe cardio....no matter how much we hate it is a neccesary evil when trying to get bf levels down. it may not be for you guys with the super speed metabolism...i aint one of em, and someone said doing 20 min high intensity stair climber for 300 calories is pointless...and to just cut it out of their diet...lol short term high intensity...will kill a little muscle...but long term at low intensity will burn fat and not muscle...i use the talk test...if you can hold a conversation without having to catch your breath...your doing it at the right amount of intensity and when cutting up...45min -60 min in the morning 4 times a week on an empty stomach...imo diet then cardio...then drugs get it straight
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slobberknocker
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Yes, masturbation is the key. To all aspects of life, really.
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slobberknocker
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Mods, please add "beer" and "masturbation" as choices on the poll. Thanks.
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Obviously diet is number one, but you guys cannot honestly tell me that cardio will contribute to MORE fat lose than t3 can. t3 and dnp are by far the most effective things on the list presented to us. How can anyone even say otherwise? I'm not advocating their use for everyone, because I have never used dnp and probably never will, but they both will have a greater impact, hands down than cardio, tren etc.
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Wow, I just voted and saw the results. I'm the frist to vote for t3 and no one said dnp. Cardio and tren were rated first and second. Wow. FYI I use tren and do cardio when cutting, but I don't think they contribute to the same extent.
Nighthawkk
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BodyByFinaplix said:
Interesting that you were the first to list T3, I was expecting it to the the most picked because of it's fat burning effects. Also, the reason I did not list diet is because it would be generally assumed that a cut-up diet would already be in place before starting such a regimen, otherwise fat-burning would be impossible.
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Nighthawkk said:
Right, the part about diet is a given. It just amazes me that anyone could think cardio, tren, winstrol or anavar could produce anywhere near the fat burning effect of t3.
Honestly, as long as My diet is right, I actually have to up my calories to keep from loosing more than 4 or 5 ibs a week on t3. I'm dieting now, and not doing cardio on it because I'm loosing weight too fast from the t3 and am worried about lbm loss. Running a tren/eq/winstrol/t3 stack no cardio and 3000 cals a day. I'm down 15 ibs in 3 weeks, but for the most part my strength is still up, so my lbm losses couldn't be excessive. I've seen a friend drop 30 ibs in a month on very high calories (very clean except for one cheat meal a day, which usually came from McDonals or Taco Bell) by combining dnp with t3 on a test/tren cycle. A bit to extreme for my taste.
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Wow, twice as many people think winstrol burns more fat than t3 on the poll. We need to add test and d-bol to the list too, I bet they get more votes than DNP, since no one has voted for it yet, and alot of guys on the board have stated that test cuts them up.
Nighthawkk
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To address those that say it's purely genetics, I have to disagree. I was and always have been an ectomorph genetically, but once true bodybuilding became a lifestyle, my body adapted to the intake of high calories and finally did store fat...and A LOT of it (this was probably due to bulking cycles and tons of NLarge2). Anyhow, I don't know if my metabolism will burn that extra fat that accumulated, but I do think genetics has an effect more on the placement of fat stores, rather than who gets fat and who doesn't. My arms, legs, and back and extremely cut, but my gut protrudes because all fat is stored there. I'm sure many of you get those "love handles" during bulking, as I do, but I suppose that can't be avoided if that's where your body decides to place the fat.
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